99 Cobra Vs. 99 Trans Am WS6
Jessie Fuller
99 Cobra Convertable. I was told that Pontiac was not making the Trans
Am for '99. But today I found out otherwise. Anyway, I was wondering if
anyone has some stats or comparisons for the 99 Cobra Conv. Vs. the 99
Trans Am WS6 Conv. Any info would be helpful. Deep down inside I want
the Pontiac, I am a G.M. man all the way, But the new Mustang is Growing
on me. I would also like to know any ideas or persoal feelings for or
against either. Thanks in advance. Jessie.
Quad...@webtv.net
Dnewell1
refined and less "bullishness" of the Cobra over the T/A. I am of the opinion
as well that the 4.6L DOHC is a more advanced engine with it's overhead cams
instead of the old pushrod engine. Either way, both sweet cars. As well, the
Cobra will have the IRS which should be just simply delightful.
DAve
Gary H
I haven't been in either car, but from people who have they say the
LS1 is extremely refined. Still, I agree and I'd opt for the Cobra.
Gary H
I would stay with the Mustang. With the extra power, the Cobra will
be just as fast, maybe even faster then the LS1 cars. Also, every GM
convertible car I have ever been in turns into a rattle trap after
some miles. I'm sure improvements have been made in this area, still
I'd opt for the Ford. Also, Cobra convertibles have kick-ass resale
value, much better then a convertible T/A. The '99 Cobras also have
an idependent rear, something that should help with bumps you will
encounter in mid-turn that would upset the T/A's chassis.
Marc Warden
valves per cylinder, but that is about all it shares with the original Chevy small
block engine.
Chevy's "old pushrod" engine meets all emission requirements Ford's "advanced"
DOHC engine meets, without the weight adding, engine height increasing, engine
width increasing penalties a DOHC design brings with it. The pushrod design V8
results in a shorter, narrower, with a lower center of gravity engine than does a
DOHC design..
Now, which is more "advanced"? The Chevy pushrod V8 or Ford's DOHC?
Sincerely,
MarcW. (Who drives a Ford car with Ford's "advanced" SOHC which has all the
penalties of the DOHC, without the benefit of the HP. It's what's known as a lose
lose situation...)
Dnewell1
>"advanced"
>DOHC engine meets, without the weight adding, engine height increasing,
>engine
>width increasing penalties a DOHC design brings with it.
Touche. You are right. My apologies. I was speaking on that topic without
the benefit of knowledge. Damn, I hate when I do that!
DAve
Marc Warden
Besides, you can't be faulted for falling for Ford's style over substance
propagranda. Heck just about every other Ford customer has, including, ummm,
me...
MarcW (Who has been known to voice an opinion sans knowledge...)
David Lyons
>
> I have a little dilema, I have placed a down payment (just
> to hold) on a 99 Cobra Convertable. I was told that Pontiac
> was not making the Trans Am for '99. But today I found out
> otherwise. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone has some stats
> or comparisons for the 99 Cobra Conv. Vs. the 99 Trans Am
> WS6 Conv. Any info would be helpful. Deep down inside I want
> the Pontiac, I am a G.M. man all the way, But the new Mustang
> is Growing on me. I would also like to know any ideas or
> persoal feelings for or against either. Thanks in advance.
> Jessie.
> Quad...@webtv.net
I'd say stick with the Cobra. You won't be disappointed. Back in my
glory days, I've converted many "GM men" To Ford men with a few
white-knuckle rides in my '88 GT. Eventually, 5.0s started popping up
everywhere in my town - many of them former GM guys.
Dave
Marc Warden
I recently had an opportunity (yet another trip to the local Ford dealer's
service department for my '96 Mustang GT) to rent a Mustang convertible (I
specifically asked for this car for comparison reasons), V6, '97 model, in
order I might compare the Mustang's handling/ride to a Camaro convertible,
V6, '97 model, I had an opportunity to rent (from the same rental agency)
some months ago, and I was pleasantly surprised by the Mustang convertible's
better handling/ride and more solid feel.
Of course, not even the Mustang convertible was as solid as my daily driver's
(a '96 GT hardtop with over 40,000 miles on it) handling/ride/feel, but the
Mustang convertible was better than expected in this regard, and better than
the Camaro convertible.
My point is that, at least in my limited driving experience (less than 100
miles in each of the rental convertibles) over the same roads, in practically
the same driving conditions, both cars with about the same amount of mileage
-- around 5,000 miles -- a Mustang convertible exhibited better
handling/ride/more solid feel than a comparable Camaro convertible.
Whether this difference between the '97 Mustang V6 and the '97 Camaro V6,
also means the latest incarnations of the Mustang Cobra and the Pontiac Trans
Am will come out in the same order when compared thusly, I can't say.
Sincerely,
MarcW.
Gary H wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:55:15 -0500 (EST), Quad...@webtv.net (Jessie
> Fuller) wrote:
>
> >I have a little dilema, I have placed a down payment (just to hold) on a
> >99 Cobra Convertable. I was told that Pontiac was not making the Trans
> >Am for '99. But today I found out otherwise. Anyway, I was wondering if
> >anyone has some stats or comparisons for the 99 Cobra Conv. Vs. the 99
> >Trans Am WS6 Conv. Any info would be helpful. Deep down inside I want
> >the Pontiac, I am a G.M. man all the way, But the new Mustang is Growing
> >on me. I would also like to know any ideas or persoal feelings for or
> >against either. Thanks in advance. Jessie.
> >Quad...@webtv.net
>
Dnewell1
Not at all.
>
>Besides, you can't be faulted for falling for Ford's style over substance
>propagranda. Heck just about every other Ford customer has, including, ummm,
>me...
>
I still like that little bit of substance under the Cobra's hood. Yowee!
soc...@my-dejanews.com
Quad...@webtv.net (Jessie Fuller) wrote:
> I have a little dilema, I have placed a down payment (just to hold) on a
> 99 Cobra Convertable. I was told that Pontiac was not making the Trans
> Am for '99. But today I found out otherwise. Anyway, I was wondering if
> anyone has some stats or comparisons for the 99 Cobra Conv. Vs. the 99
> Trans Am WS6 Conv. Any info would be helpful. Deep down inside I want
> the Pontiac, I am a G.M. man all the way, But the new Mustang is Growing
> on me. I would also like to know any ideas or persoal feelings for or
> against either. Thanks in advance. Jessie.
> Quad...@webtv.net
>
>
November....i would pick the Cobra on the IRS alone however....
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Dean E. Lopez
<363A1D...@atl.hp.com>...
> Jessie Fuller wrote:
> >
> > I have a little dilema, I have placed a down payment (just
> > to hold) on a 99 Cobra Convertable. I was told that Pontiac
> > was not making the Trans Am for '99. But today I found out
> > otherwise. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone has some stats
> > or comparisons for the 99 Cobra Conv. Vs. the 99 Trans Am
> > WS6 Conv. Any info would be helpful. Deep down inside I want
> > the Pontiac, I am a G.M. man all the way, But the new Mustang
> > is Growing on me. I would also like to know any ideas or
> > persoal feelings for or against either. Thanks in advance.
> > Jessie.
> > Quad...@webtv.net
>
> glory days, I've converted many "GM men" To Ford men with a few
> white-knuckle rides in my '88 GT. Eventually, 5.0s started popping up
> everywhere in my town - many of them former GM guys.
>
> Dave
>
Then again, supposedly the '99 LS1 is slightly different from the '98
model, in particular the cast cylinder sleeves are thicker, allowing for a
larger re-bore.
Combine that with a stroker crank and you can say "454" too!!
Now, I'm not much on the factory WS6 hood (so I have a Raptor hood
instead), but you'll most likely be pleased with the other aspects of the
WS6 package like the improved suspension and 17" chrome wheels. Either
way, go with what YOU like, not what you think others like. (Except don't
get an automatic!!!!!)
--
Dean E. Lopez lop...@hou.valmet.com
Systems Analyst, RTU Firmware Engineering
Valmet Automation Houston, Texas USA
'98 WHITE TA, M6, TT, 16"CHROME
BORLA, EIBACHS, LCA&PHR, RAPTOR RAM AIR, B&M RIPPER
13.42 @ 105.04
Coal Man
Jessie Fuller wrote in message
<25863-36...@newsd-123.bryant.webtv.net>...
I have a little dilema, I have placed a down payment (just to hold) on a
99 Cobra Convertable. I was told that Pontiac was not making the Trans
Am for '99. But today I found out otherwise. Anyway, I was wondering if
anyone has some stats or comparisons for the 99 Cobra Conv. Vs. the 99
Trans Am WS6 Conv. Any info would be helpful. Deep down inside I want
the Pontiac, I am a G.M. man all the way, But the new Mustang is Growing
on me. I would also like to know any ideas or persoal feelings for or
against either. Thanks in advance. Jessie.
Quad...@webtv.net
Do you honestly believe anyone in this News Group will recommend the Trans
AM???
Tell you what... *If* you find a '99 Trans Am WS-6/7 that is available you
better buy it. This year I wanted a WS-6 Trans AM and was plain shit out'a
luck... So, I had to settle for a Formula. I understand that WS-6s are far
from a common sight on Pontiac lots.
I'm not biased toward any one car manufacturer but I am very impressed with
how well the LS-1 responds to a few simple cheap mods. After I did all the
mods listed on the http://www.ls1.com & a nice Borla system I must admit
the LS-1 is a kick ass motor that can bring sweat to the upper lip of many
Porsche owners. With the addition of the 383 stroker kit (next year for me)
550 HP will make this Formula a beast at the track.
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder... try both cars and see what gives
you that warm fuzzy feeling!
Michael J. Stepanek
convertibles... that's why you see a lot more of them on the road. One
thing to consider, however, is that Ford is claiming that they've made a
lot of improvements for the Mustangs in '99, especially the
convertibles. They've done a good deal of work on the handling and
squeeky-body issues. If the Mustang is already better, just wait until
next year... the convertibles should be pretty nice.
Michael J. Stepanek
>AM???
I agree. I'd place a post over there in AACF too, just so you can get
the other side of the story. If you want the truth, ask the people who
own the cars.
Michael J. Stepanek
>November....i would pick the Cobra on the IRS alone however....
Yep. We're all waiting for the info on the Cobras... you're not the
only one. I've heard that the info may actually come out on Tuesday.
If not, it'll definately be out in the next couple of weeks.
Jim Bielecki
that Blue Oval News will have plenty of pics, specifications and the entire
introduction speech. Stay tuned.
Michael J. Stepanek wrote in message <363A3C...@vt.edu>...
VBrown
have engines that are now DOHC? Displacement for displacement an overhead
cam engine is just better that a pushrod. In the next few years even GM will
have move over to OHC and DOHC engines. Check out the new V6 from
oldsmobile, 3.5L DOHC making about 215HP, with more in reserve. Chryslers'
3.5L DOHC V6 pumps out 250HP.The DOHC design does not significantly change
the engines' center of gravity. Ford, like all the other car manufacturers
could engineer their 4.6L DOHC to pump out 400 plus HP, but the Insurance
companies would never allow that.
Marc Warden wrote in message <363A07A1...@diabloresearch.com>...
>That old pushrod engine is an all new all aluminum V8 with pushrods working
2
>valves per cylinder, but that is about all it shares with the original
Chevy small
>block engine.
>
"advanced"
>DOHC engine meets, without the weight adding, engine height increasing,
engine
Brad Swidzinski
and keep it on the road, not the hoist.
Brad
Ross Johnston
shot up like a rocket??? The only reason there are more mustangs on the
road is due to the fact that the base model mustang starts out at a cheap
$13K. And how come when I drive down the road necks break trying to look at
my '98 Trans Am. I don't see that with the box shaped mustang that looks
more like a family car than a true muscle car.
i rest my case.
just an opinion...but a damn good one ROSS...try alt.autos.camaro.firebird
Brad Swidzinski wrote in message <363ad...@ntnews.compusmart.ab.ca>...
Pitt81
not what it is going to boil down to. It's the look. Personally I think the
Cobra has more class to it. I remember a write up MotorTrend did comparing the
Camaro and Cobra. If you are going for raw horsepower you might lean toward
the WS6. But for class, customer service, and look, go Cobra.
Either way.....you are going to have a nice ride!! Good luck!!
Matt
Jim Bielecki
Firebird year-to-date sales as of September 30th numbered 25,519 compared to
24,465 in 1997. A stupendous increase of 1,054 units. Mustang sales rose
from 89,688 in 1997 to 109,566 units so far in 1998, an increase of 19,878
units.
There's a reason, you know, why GM is considering dropping the F-body after
2001, NOBODY IS BUYING THEM!
Ross Johnston wrote in message <71h017$q...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>...
Brad Swidzinski
I hate to break the news but I'm just relaying what all the major car mags
have to say about your car: "13.6 in the 1/4 but buy the Stang anyway at
14.0." Necks break to look at a TA? It must be pretty lonesome out there
in sheepville. And as for the "true muscle car," I imagine you mean muscle
cars from teh '60s???? News flash: they were all shaped like boxes!!! Not
this Euro, 1970s disco shit GM is marketing. Could you stick MORE crap onto
that car????
Brad
Ross Johnston wrote in message <71h017$q...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>...
>If the GM product is a "piece of shit" how come sales for the '98 Trans Am
>shot up like a rocket??? The only reason there are more mustangs on the
>road is due to the fact that the base model mustang starts out at a cheap
>$13K. And how come when I drive down the road necks break trying to look
at
>my '98 Trans Am. I don't see that with the box shaped mustang that looks
>more like a family car than a true muscle car.
>
>i rest my case.
>just an opinion...but a damn good one ROSS...try alt.autos.camaro.firebird
Steven McColl
stike, they made ZERO Trans Ams... ZERO. After the strike, sales
started again. When you go from ZERO to even TEN sales a week, that
could look like "SHOOTING UP LIKE A ROCKET".
Just like your boss says "I'm going to give you a 10% raise", you can
say "10% of ZERO is still ZERO".
Steve
Ross Johnston <jrn...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: If the GM product is a "piece of shit" how come sales for the '98 Trans Am
Gary H
<jrn...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>If the GM product is a "piece of shit" how come sales for the '98 Trans Am
>shot up like a rocket??? The only reason there are more mustangs on the
>road is due to the fact that the base model mustang starts out at a cheap
>$13K. And how come when I drive down the road necks break trying to look at
>my '98 Trans Am. I don't see that with the box shaped mustang that looks
>more like a family car than a true muscle car.
Mustangs don't start at $13,000....No one is breaking there neck
looking at your car buddy, its a damn Trans Am, not a Viper GTS....
Randy
>
>If the GM product is a "piece of shit" how come sales for the '98 Trans Am
>shot up like a rocket??? The only reason there are more mustangs on the
>road is due to the fact that the base model mustang starts out at a cheap
>$13K. And how come when I drive down the road necks break trying to look at
>my '98 Trans Am. I don't see that with the box shaped mustang that looks
>more like a family car than a true muscle car.
>
Mustangs do look a little like a box...from the rear.
--
Randy Cook
1989 LX 5.0
"Tonight it ain't right, I'm gonna need me a week.
But I'll be back for you jack and I'll let the machine speak."
REMOVE * FROM E-MAIL ADDRESS TO RESPOND.
Steven McColl
: Mustangs don't start at $13,000....No one is breaking there neck
: looking at your car buddy, its a damn Trans Am, not a Viper GTS....
I'd probably break my neck to look and see what kind of idiot didn't
spend the extra 3K to get the WS6... :)
Steve
Dean E. Lopez
<363ce...@hostserver.merit.edu>...
> Firebird sales shot up like a rocket? According to "Automotive News",
> Firebird year-to-date sales as of September 30th numbered 25,519 compared
to
> 24,465 in 1997. A stupendous increase of 1,054 units. Mustang sales
rose
> from 89,688 in 1997 to 109,566 units so far in 1998, an increase of
19,878
> units.
>
> There's a reason, you know, why GM is considering dropping the F-body
after
> 2001, NOBODY IS BUYING THEM!
>
But everyone and her sister is buying Mustangs. ;)
Dean E. Lopez
<363d5...@ntnews.compusmart.ab.ca>...
> ARe you kidding me? What part of the sticks do you live in?
>
> I hate to break the news but I'm just relaying what all the major car
mags
> have to say about your car: "13.6 in the 1/4 but buy the Stang anyway at
> 14.0." Necks break to look at a TA? It must be pretty lonesome out
there
> in sheepville. And as for the "true muscle car," I imagine you mean
muscle
> cars from teh '60s???? News flash: they were all shaped like boxes!!!
Not
> this Euro, 1970s disco shit GM is marketing. Could you stick MORE crap
onto
> that car????
>
> Brad
Wanna race? :)
Robin Goodfellow
production to finish out the model year. When production stopped during the
strike, they were faced with the prospect of eating a bunch of superceded
parts.
They chose to build, and whore out the remaining '98's to clear the supply
chain. This is why the usual end-of-year hoopla is more strident than usual;
rebates, low financing, etc.
The spike in sales is a byproduct of this.
RG
In article <363d1...@news.cc.umr.edu>, Steven McColl <smc...@umr.edu>
wrote:
>Ok... Why did they shoot up like a rocket? Here's why: During the
>stike, they made ZERO Trans Ams... ZERO. After the strike, sales
>started again. When you go from ZERO to even TEN sales a week, that
>could look like "SHOOTING UP LIKE A ROCKET".
>Just like your boss says "I'm going to give you a 10% raise", you can
>say "10% of ZERO is still ZERO".
>
>Ross Johnston <jrn...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>: If the GM product is a "piece of shit" how come sales for the '98 Trans Am
Gary H
Why get the WS6? Its really no quicker etc....I think the WS6 is a
waste.
Steven McColl
: Why get the WS6? Its really no quicker etc....I think the WS6 is a
: waste.
Well, one of the reasons why the Cobra is better than the T/A is
exclusivity... Not many Cobras are made each year (ON PURPOSE, not
because sales suck like the TA)... The WS6 is the same way... Only a
limited number are built...
Steve
Dean E. Lopez
<363e0...@news.cc.umr.edu>...
That's why I opted not for the WS6, but I'm making mine look unique through
aftermarket parts. The Raptor hood looks better (IMHO) than the factory
WS6 hood, and I prefer the lowered look of the Eibach's over the stock WS6
suspension. Not only does my aftermarket hood look nicer (again MHO), it's
a sealed ram air whereas the factory ram air is not. It's more of a simple
cold air induction than a ram air system.
Michael J. Stepanek
> waste.
Agreed... I've actually seen tests where the SS runs slower than the
Z28. I would imagine that the same results might be found with the WS6
vs the TA.
Gary H
>Gary H <ga...@injersey.net> wrote:
>: Why get the WS6? Its really no quicker etc....I think the WS6 is a
>: waste.
>
>Well, one of the reasons why the Cobra is better than the T/A is
>exclusivity...
Well, I will save $3,000 and be less 'exclusive' then. For the $3,000
savings I could have one quick 'base' T/A.
Not many Cobras are made each year (ON PURPOSE, not
>because sales suck like the TA)... The WS6 is the same way... Only a
>limited number are built...
>
>Steve
The T/As are not meant for the masses. Still, that doesn't make it a
bad car by any stretch.
Mike Kares
Personally, I like the new Trans Ams (but then, I have always liked the
Pontiac TA, except for '82 to about '87), and, if they are still being built
in a few years when my '98 F150 is paid for, I will probably buy one then.
Mind you, I would NEVER, EVER buy a late model Camaro (they do nothing for
me).
When I buy a new vehicle, I generally like to buy top-of-the-line. That's
why I bought a Cobra when I did (and the hp, of course). If I were to buy a
Trans Am, I would buy it loaded as well, with all of the factory options
available to squeeze every single possible horse out of the motor. Also
consider that the resale value of the car is higher (usually) with the extra
options.
Mike Kares
1973 Mustang, 302, Edelbrock intake, Edelbrock 600 cfm, Holley electric fuel
pump, headers, custom 2 1/2" dual exhaust with h-pipe, Warlock mufflers,
Crane cam/hydraulic lifters
http://plaza.powersurfr.com/mkares