Need advice on tire brands...
BB is WAR
best for not a lot of money. The tires I have now are called "Visa" or some
crap.
Vibrant Red (Bright-Ass Red aka Arrest-Me Red) '95 5.0 GT AOD-E
-Flowmaster 3 Chamber Force II Catback System
-K&N FilterCharger
-No Air Silencer
-Coming in 2 days, 3.55s
Mustangs: Helping ugly people have sex since 1964.
Tygress(Emily)
>I'm about due for new tires, 225/55/16. I need to know what brand/style is the
>best for not a lot of money. The tires I have now are called "Visa" or some
>crap.
Depends on what you want to do. Futura from Pep Boys has a Z
rated tire now and its actually pretty good, especially considering
that it's about half what the top Z tires are running. Also, Hoosier
has a line of street radials now and I think they are great. I use
them on the Cutlass and you can order them from Summit racing and save
quite a bit. Mine are holding up pretty well and give great traction
for true streeet tire. They have a lower speed rating, though, around
120 i think it is. I'm sure you know that you can exceed the speed
ratings on the tires safely, just as long as you don't try extended
runs with a heavy load. I've run past that rating a few times myself,
and nothing exploded.
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What did I do, what did I say,
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Spreadman
the
best for not a lot of money. The tires I have now are called "Visa" or some
crap. >>
Depends on your driving patterns, and what you look for in a tire. Go to Tire
Rack's website (www.tirerack.com), they have comparison charts for all of their
tires that were surveyed from actual owners. They rate them on almost EVERY
aspect of the tire. Do a tire search.....then click on the comparison button.
I think you'll learn a lot from that. Hope this helps.
Scotty
'97 Ford Explorer Sport (FOR SALE)
'99 Yellow Mustang GT (coming soon!!)
RAMFM since 11/98
Jim Clark
running 255/50/16's on the rear and 225/50/16's on the front. I'd suggest putting
the biggest tire that will fit under the back. Most tire shops will try tire sizes
to see what will fit at no charge (the possibility of selling you a little more
expensive tire gives them the motivation!) It'll be the cheapest "extra" traction
you'll buy.
Jim Clark
Drag racing because to play baseball, football, tennis, golf or soccer, you only
need one BALL!!!!
1990 LX 5.0
K&N
BBK Pulleys
75 mm ProM Mass Air
30# FoMoCo injectors
190 LPH F.P.
Adjustable FPR
Crane HI6 electronic Ign.
75 mm Edelbrock T.B. & EGR
Edelbrock Intake
Edelbrock Alum. Heads
Crane Gold roller rockers (1.6)
B303 Cam
BBK Long tube headers
BBK Offroad H pipe
DynoMax 2-1/2"catback
BBK Adj. clutch quadrant
Pro 5.0 Shifter
CenterForce Dual Friction clutch
"World Class" T-5
4:10 Gears
Kenny Brown SubFrames
Ponys
3" Cowl
BB is WAR wrote:
> I'm about due for new tires, 225/55/16. I need to know what brand/style is the
> best for not a lot of money. The tires I have now are called "Visa" or some
> crap.
>
Gary
>I'm about due for new tires, 225/55/16. I need to know what brand/style is
the
>best for not a lot of money. The tires I have now are called "Visa" or
some
>crap.
>
>
>Vibrant Red (Bright-Ass Red aka Arrest-Me Red) '95 5.0 GT AOD-E
> -Flowmaster 3 Chamber Force II Catback System
> -K&N FilterCharger
> -No Air Silencer
> -Coming in 2 days, 3.55s
>
>Mustangs: Helping ugly people have sex since 1964.
I'd try and slip a set of 245/45/16 on the car and see what you look like.
Do you plan on lowering the car at all? If you do slip 45's on.
Gary.
Mr 5 0n ya
ride. The Dunlop D 60 A2 (H rated) is a great tire for the price (probably
around $100 each for a P225/50/15) as is the Dunlop SP 4000 (Z rated). Just
look at the Treadwear rating before you buy. Any tire that's a 300 or above
will probably last at least 30K miles. BFG Comp TA VR4s can be had for around
$100 each and they will give the best longevity of any V or Z rated tire. I
try to stay away from private brand tires (Pep Boys, Sears) just because they
look cheesy =-P
Sam Ford
'88 TC
BB is WAR
to see what will fit at no charge (the possibility of selling you a little more
expensive tire gives them the motivation!) It'll be the cheapest "extra"
traction
you'll buy.>>
But won't my speedo be off if i go for a different size?
BB is WAR
Do you plan on lowering the car at all? If you do slip 45's on.>>
Hmm, will my speedo be off as much?
colt45
$75 - $80 each. I've run Gatorbacks, XGTs, D40M2s, Rikens (crappy), and now
Sumitomo HTRZs in 235/45-ZR17. I LIKE the D40M2s and HTRZs. I've run the Chargers
on several cars and have them on the wife's Pontiac now they're a very good tire at
a good price. Not to slam anybody else, but the only Mustanger I've seen with the
Futura tires didn't like them compared to the Gatorbacks.
John
BB is WAR wrote:
> I'm about due for new tires, 225/55/16. I need to know what brand/style is the
> best for not a lot of money. The tires I have now are called "Visa" or some
> crap.
>
Gary
><<I'd try and slip a set of 245/45/16 on the car and see what you look
like.
>Do you plan on lowering the car at all? If you do slip 45's on.>>
>
>Hmm, will my speedo be off as much?
>
Yes.
I'm not sure of the figures (I've seen a guy who can write down the figure
for you, just ask on this list). But it will be out by a certain percentage
(its not much at city or normal highway speed). This size shouldn't get the
numbers to far out of wack. If you have none stock gears then the new spedo
gear will help a little in this department.
If you put on these wider tires, you will have to get the inside of the
fenders rolled over and pinned back, and you will have to remove the front
inner fender panel (its just plastic). This is to prevent the fenders from
rubbing and the tires from rubbing on the inner fender panel.
So thinking about this some more, you might just want to stick to the 225
for your use, as all of this extra stuff might not be suited for you.
Gary.
Gary
<3E096F3504B012F8.56C5C011...@library-proxy.airnews.ne
t>...
>I'd recommend Kelly Charger HRs as the most tire for the money. They'd be
about
>$75 - $80 each. I've run Gatorbacks, XGTs, D40M2s, Rikens (crappy), and
now
>Sumitomo HTRZs in 235/45-ZR17. I LIKE the D40M2s and HTRZs. I've run the
Chargers
>on several cars and have them on the wife's Pontiac now they're a very good
tire at
>a good price. Not to slam anybody else, but the only Mustanger I've seen
with the
>Futura tires didn't like them compared to the Gatorbacks.
>
>John
I had the Gatorbacks on my car and I couldn't get them to stick in the rain.
I switched to BFG Comp TA, and it seems better for my kind of driving.
Gary.
Mr 5 0n ya
Not neccesarily. As long as the diameter is the same, there will be little to
no speedometer error. Example: 225/60/16 is equivalent to 235/55/16 or
245/50/16 in diameter. For every increase of 10 in width, a decrease of 5
(percent as in aspect ratio) in sidewall height should keep the diameter the
same.
Sam Ford
'88 TC
Pablo DeMucha
BB is WAR wrote in message <19990307124845...@ng-fr1.aol.com>...
>I'm about due for new tires, 225/55/16. I need to know what brand/style is
the
>best for not a lot of money. The tires I have now are called "Visa" or
some
>crap.
>
>
You'll probably find as many opinions as there are tire brands. Then again,
I have my own .
After months of back and forth research and mind drifting, I decided for a
set of Pirelli's P7000 all season, which I've had now for about 3 months and
3000 miles.
I paid 130 a piece and so far, I like them enough to recommend them in this
NG.
Good handling dry or wet and nice ride with mean looks.
Pablo.
newbie steve
that first number (225, 235, 245, etc.) is the tire *width* which has nothing to
do with diameter... 2nd number is sidewall height, 3rd is rim size,..right?
-newbie steve
colt45
claim that tire was based on F1 rain tire technology.
John
hil...@io.com
think they're great tires, but a little bit pricey. The first 2 I paid 200
bucks a piece for at NTB (plus mounting, tax and all, the bill was $560).
When I needed 2 more, I ordered them from The Tire Rack, and at the time
they were $187 a pop. Now, about a year later, The Tire Rack has them for
$167 a piece; still, it's a lot of money. I have been looking on the Tire
Rack web site, and I kind of like the Yokohama A520 (treadwear: 180), for
$127 a piece in 245/45 ZR 17. Some of you may think it's a "ricey" tire,
since it's Japanese, but the tests seem to show they're pretty good on the
track, so I don't really care; after all, the Pirellis are Italian, the
Continentals are German, the Michelins are French, and the only tire
manufacturer that is still American-owned is Goodyear. By the way, I also
like the Pirelli P7000 Supersport, with its treadwear of 320, but I'd hate
to trade longer wear for traction and handling.
David Stacey Michael Anna
>On Sun, 07 Mar 1999 15:53:03 -0800, newbie steve
><sbor...@stormfront.com> wrote:
>
>>ummm,..really?,...I know Im just a newbie around here, but I coulda sworn
that
>>that first number (225, 235, 245, etc.) is the tire *width* which has
nothing to
>>do with diameter... 2nd number is sidewall height, 3rd is rim
size,..right?
>
>actual sidewall height, though it is used to determine the height.
>The aspect ratio is multiplied by the first number <the section width,
>not the actual tread width> to give the tire sidewall height in mm's.
>The third is indeed the rim size and is added to twice the sidewall
>height to get the overall diameter.
But why do all that messy math when you can plug the numbers into Tom
Lorek's tire calculators at
http://members.theglobe.com/tlorek/calculators.html
Use the calculator titled "Tire Height & Width Calculator". For example,
stock Mustang tires ('87-'90) are 225/60-15 Put 225 in "Tire Width", 60 in
"Aspect Ratio", and 15 in "Wheel Diameter". BOOM! That's a 25.63" tire
diameter and 8.858" wide.
So if you put on a tire with a larger diameter, you'll be going faster than
what your speedometer reads by the percentage of difference between tire
heights.
Dave
WindsorLX
Spreadman wrote:
> << I'm about due for new tires, 225/55/16. I need to know what brand/style is
> the
> best for not a lot of money. The tires I have now are called "Visa" or some
> crap. >>
>
> Depends on your driving patterns, and what you look for in a tire. Go to Tire
> Rack's website (www.tirerack.com), they have comparison charts for all of their
> tires that were surveyed from actual owners. They rate them on almost EVERY
> aspect of the tire. Do a tire search.....then click on the comparison button.
> I think you'll learn a lot from that. Hope this helps.
>
> Scotty
> '97 Ford Explorer Sport (FOR SALE)
> '99 Yellow Mustang GT (coming soon!!)
> RAMFM since 11/98
I had a relatively good experiance with Tire Rack. However, I have found that
around here no one wants to mess with mounting my tires on mag rims because I
didn't buy from them. The thought is, why take the risk of screwing up my $150+
rim for $15 of a mounting fee? One offered to do it with no responsibility if
anything happened to them, but I wasn't willing to do that. I got the idea the guy
might get that "who cares" attitude.
Tygress(Emily)
<sbor...@stormfront.com> wrote:
>ummm,..really?,...I know Im just a newbie around here, but I coulda sworn that
>that first number (225, 235, 245, etc.) is the tire *width* which has nothing to
>do with diameter... 2nd number is sidewall height, 3rd is rim size,..right?
Not really. The second number is the aspect ratio. It is not the
actual sidewall height, though it is used to determine the height.
The aspect ratio is multiplied by the first number <the section width,
not the actual tread width> to give the tire sidewall height in mm's.
The third is indeed the rim size and is added to twice the sidewall
height to get the overall diameter.
>Mr 5 0n ya wrote:
>
>> But won't my speedo be off if i go for a different size?>>
>>
>> Not neccesarily. As long as the diameter is the same, there will be little to
>> no speedometer error. Example: 225/60/16 is equivalent to 235/55/16 or
>> 245/50/16 in diameter. For every increase of 10 in width, a decrease of 5
>> (percent as in aspect ratio) in sidewall height should keep the diameter the
>> same.
>>
>> Sam Ford
>> '88 TC
>
>
>
---
Tygress(Emily)
><<Most tire shops will try tire sizes
>to see what will fit at no charge (the possibility of selling you a little more
>expensive tire gives them the motivation!) It'll be the cheapest "extra"
>traction
>you'll buy.>>
>
>But won't my speedo be off if i go for a different size?
Yes, but not by much. To compute it just take the percntage
difference in the two tire hights and that will tell you how far
you're off.
Stangerize
>The Dunlop D 60 A2 (H rated) is a great tire for the price (probably
>around $100 each for a P225/50/15) as is the Dunlop SP 4000 (Z rated).
Be aware if you switch from 225/55/16 to 225/50/16 (I think he meant 16" rims
here) it will lower your gear ratio a little more.
Jim {{94 GT Mustang 5 Spd. Rio Red, }}
9.43 @ 75.5 in 1/8 -- 14.65 @ 93 in 1/4 - B4 gears
Mods -- Removed air silencer, K&N, UD pulleys, B&M Ripper shifter, SSM Lift
Bars, Sub-Frame conn., 2 Chambers, H-pipes, Alum. pedals, Ram-air hood, 3.73's
Stangerize
>A lot of the guys I run with are running the Pep Boys Futura and like it. I'm
>running 255/50/16's on the rear and 225/50/16's on the front. I'd suggest
>putting
>the biggest tire that will fit under the back. Most tire shops will try tire
>sizes
>to see what will fit at no charge (the possibility of selling you a little
>more
>expensive tire gives them the motivation!) It'll be the cheapest "extra"
>traction
>you'll buy.
A taller tire will raise your gear ratio. I don't think I still have the
formula for this anymore but I'm sure someone on here does.
Spreadman
that
around here no one wants to mess with mounting my tires on mag rims because I
didn't buy from them. The thought is, why take the risk of screwing up my
$150+
rim for $15 of a mounting fee? One offered to do it with no responsibility if
anything happened to them, but I wasn't willing to do that. I got the idea the
guy
might get that "who cares" attitude. >>
My Dad and I both have had mags on all of our cars, and we have always ordered
from Tire Rack....and Discount Tire always put them on with no questions
asked....I even bought their road hazard (used it 3 times....paid for itself).
I always stood by the car while they did it....this way they wouldn't be
careless.....but I have had nothing but good luck with Discount Tire. I have
heard similar things about NTB....so you might want to check them out.
Hope this helps,
Jared Rude
>Tygress(Emily) wrote
>>newbie steve wrote:
>>
>>>ummm,..really?,...I know Im just a newbie around here, but I coulda sworn
>that
>>>that first number (225, 235, 245, etc.) is the tire *width* which has
>nothing to
>>>do with diameter... 2nd number is sidewall height, 3rd is rim
>size,..right?
>>
>> Not really. The second number is the aspect ratio. It is not the
>>actual sidewall height, though it is used to determine the height.
>>The aspect ratio is multiplied by the first number <the section width,
>>not the actual tread width> to give the tire sidewall height in mm's.
>>The third is indeed the rim size and is added to twice the sidewall
>>height to get the overall diameter.
>
>Lorek's tire calculators at
>http://members.theglobe.com/tlorek/calculators.html
1) Because math isn't hard.
2) Because I can do the tire diameter calculation on my calculator in about
10 seconds, and it would take about 10 minutes for me to log onto the web,
download that page, and enter the required numbers.
3) Because if you know how to do something yourself, it creates a better
understanding of how it works than having someone else do it for you.
--
Jared Rude
1990 LX 5.0
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Jared Rude
>A taller tire will raise your gear ratio. I don't think I still have the
>formula for this anymore but I'm sure someone on here does.
mph * axel ratio * trans ratio * 336
RPM = ---------------------------------------------------
tire diameter
Is this what you were thinking of?
lyo...@atl.hp.com
> >Lorek's tire calculators at
> >http://members.theglobe.com/tlorek/calculators.html
>
> 1) Because math isn't hard.
>
> 2) Because I can do the tire diameter calculation on my calculator in about
> 10 seconds, and it would take about 10 minutes for me to log onto the web,
> download that page, and enter the required numbers.
>
> 3) Because if you know how to do something yourself, it creates a better
> understanding of how it works than having someone else do it for you.
It was a rhetorical question.
Dave
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WindsorLX
Spreadman wrote:
> My Dad and I both have had mags on all of our cars, and we have always ordered
> from Tire Rack....and Discount Tire always put them on with no questions
> asked....I even bought their road hazard (used it 3 times....paid for itself).
> I always stood by the car while they did it....this way they wouldn't be
> careless.....but I have had nothing but good luck with Discount Tire. I have
> heard similar things about NTB....so you might want to check them out.
>
That was NTB. They don't want to risk mounting and possibly messing up a riim
since I didn't buy from them. I never heard of Discount tire. Of course there
are people out there who would say that the physics book says : They are a tire
store, they mount tires, go there and they WILL mount your tires because they are
a tire store and that's what they do. Experience tells me however, that here,
they won't. Or at least they weren't really wild about it. I did not try Pep Boys
though...
WindsorLX
Jared Rude wrote:
How about I give you the numbers and you reply with the answers?
Mr 5 0n ya
since I didn't buy from them.>>
Just depends on the store you go to. I work at a Tire America (same as NTB)
and we mount tires that we didn't sell often. It's not that hard to mount a
tire without damaging a custom wheel..
Sam Ford
'88 TC
GMacDoug1
>the
>best for not a lot of money.
I just got a new set of Yokohama AVS S-4 Z's, 245/50-16, for my 91 GT. I now
have a car that I can drive in the rain! Sticks like glue in the wet, Z rated,
300 AA rating, they look great, $106 each from Tire Rack. I had the Gatorbacks
first, then a set of Comp TA VR4's next; both were like driving on ice in the
wet compared to these.
.....................
'91 Mustang GT 5.0 (mild mods)
'70 VW Bug (modified 1776cc motor)
'97 Reinell 20 ft openbow 5.7 Mercruiser (stock for now)
'87 Itasca RV 460 (stock for now)
Sean & Leigh-Ann
ROHs. When those tires finally died, I opted for the Pirelli P7000
SuperSports for a couple of reasons. One was cost with a new mouth to feed
in the family. Second reason was I wanted a little more help in the wet
weather (and snow!) than the GSC's ever gave me. They P7000s have a high
treadwear rating, are Z rated, and have a neat looking tread. Past that, I
got them from NTB for $145 a piece! I spent $212 a pop on the GSCs the
other year so the savings were nice. I've run the P7000s for about 3K and
have been happy with their performance and relatively even treadwear. IMO
they may give up a tiny bit to the GSCs in the dry, but more than make up
for it in the rain. Many moons ago I ran the Dunlop D40M2s when they were
the hot ticket. Unfortunately you could watch the tires wear out while the
car was parked! (Super soft tread)
Sean
hil...@io.com wrote in message ...
ADSavarese
necessity to change the speedo gear, go to 245/50's in the rear. You can
also install the same size on the from, but be aware of possible inside
sidewall tire rubbing in full lock turns in either direction. If you remain
with 225/55's in front, you obviously won't have any difficulties. Of
course, you give up any rotation capabilities though.
As for longevity vs. cost, the most bang for the buck are the BFGoodrich
Comp T/A VR4's They have by far the best tread wear rating of any high
performance tire on the market. Expect a minimum of 35,000 miles from them.
Most Z rated tires will last between 18,000 and 22,000 miles on average.
And for a lot more money per tire. If you purchase four of the same size
VR4's, they can be cross rotated which will significantly improve tire wear.
With unidirectional tires, typical of Z rated, they must remain on the same
side of the vehicle.
Hope this helps.
Spreadman wrote in message <19990307132145...@ng-fq1.aol.com>...
><< I'm about due for new tires, 225/55/16. I need to know what brand/style
is
>the
>best for not a lot of money. The tires I have now are called "Visa" or
some
>crap. >>
>
>Depends on your driving patterns, and what you look for in a tire. Go to
Tire
>Rack's website (www.tirerack.com), they have comparison charts for all of
their
>tires that were surveyed from actual owners. They rate them on almost
EVERY
>aspect of the tire. Do a tire search.....then click on the comparison
button.
>I think you'll learn a lot from that. Hope this helps.
>
>
BB is WAR
necessity to change the speedo gear, go to 245/50's in the rear.>>
The 245/50 are the same height as the stock 225/55? I want a wider tire, but
doesn't affect the speedo.
Vibrant Red '95 GT AOD-E
[3.55s, Flowmaster 3 Chamber Catback System, K&N/Silencer]
Mustangs: Helping ugly people have sex since 1964.
"Personally, I just don't like Camaros because it looks like a giant rolling
penis" - Newbie Steve
hil...@io.com
from the Tire Rack to mount. I bought their lifetime balancing/rotating,
so I have been back since. There are two things I have learned to do
before I go there, though...
1. I take off the plastic hub covers on my 17 inch wheels myself. Before I
started doing that, they put a few scratches in those covers when they
removed them with a screwdriver; I hate to generalize, but most of the
guys I have seen there are not careful enough, drop them on the concrete
outside in, step on them, etc.
2. I make sure my car has been washed. They often rub their backs and
shoulders against the car when mounting wheels, and that scratches the
paint if it's dirty.
I know, I know, it can't be easy when you have to do a whole bunch of cars
per hour, but you can't blame me for being anal about my car.
In article <19990308233845...@ng-cg1.aol.com>, mr5...@aol.com
SeaSnake
Reinier
>I'm about due for new tires, 225/55/16. I need to know what brand/style is the
>best for not a lot of money. The tires I have now are called "Visa" or some
>crap.
>
>
I just had two new Dunlop sport sp6000 (ZR rated) put under my GT.
They are great. A lot more quiet than the original tires, and more
sticky. I used to have Dunlop D40M2 but they are discontinued. They
are also pretty good.
Go to www.tirerack.com and print out their pricelist. They are on
there for 105 a piece. Take it to discount tire co. and they'll give
them to you for 105 a piece. (normally 120 or so)
Reinier
Reinier
><< I had a relatively good experiance with Tire Rack. However, I have found
>that
>around here no one wants to mess with mounting my tires on mag rims because I
>didn't buy from them. The thought is, why take the risk of screwing up my
>$150+
>rim for $15 of a mounting fee? One offered to do it with no responsibility if
>anything happened to them, but I wasn't willing to do that. I got the idea the
>guy
>might get that "who cares" attitude. >>
>
>My Dad and I both have had mags on all of our cars, and we have always ordered
>from Tire Rack....and Discount Tire always put them on with no questions
>asked....I even bought their road hazard (used it 3 times....paid for itself).
>I always stood by the car while they did it....this way they wouldn't be
>careless.....but I have had nothing but good luck with Discount Tire. I have
>heard similar things about NTB....so you might want to check them out.
>
I just showed discount tire what tire-rack would charge me and they
matched it, no problem. Saved me 15 bucks a tire.