I blew 3rd gear today!!!!!!
Samram3
It figures, I am buring oil and just about an hour ago I blow 3rd gear. C'mon I
must be having a bad week or something. Well Should I get 3rd replaced or
should I get a new tranny. If I blew 3rd, how do I know I wont blow 1st or 2nd
in a month. Also if anyone could help, I have a sound coming from the back of
my car. Sounds like a wobbling noise. Gets faster as speed grows. Could it be
the rear? I dont know. Thanks
Rick
87 gt
Tom Stangl
The best I can tell you is open it up and look it over. If the gears look
worn, buy a Tremec. You can rebuild a T5 pretty cheaply if you do it
yourself, and you ONLY need the basic rebuild kit. But if you have to
start ordering gearsets left and right, you might as well get a new tranny.
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David Lyons
Samram3 wrote:
>
> It figures, I am buring oil and just about an hour ago I blow 3rd
> gear. C'mon I must be having a bad week or something. Well Should I
> get 3rd replaced or should I get a new tranny. If I blew 3rd, how do I
> know I wont blow 1st or 2nd in a month. Also if anyone could help, I
> have a sound coming from the back of my car. Sounds like a wobbling
> noise. Gets faster as speed grows. Could it be the rear? I dont know.
> Thanks
>
> 87 gt
Get a Tremec.
--
David Lyons
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http://www.mindspring.com/~lyonsd
5.0 wizzard
Tom Stangl <tal...@vfaq.com> wrote:
>Samram3 wrote:
>>
>> It figures, I am buring oil and just about an hour ago I blow 3rd gear. C'mon I
>> must be having a bad week or something. Well Should I get 3rd replaced or
>> should I get a new tranny. If I blew 3rd, how do I know I wont blow 1st or 2nd
>> in a month. Also if anyone could help, I have a sound coming from the back of
>> my car. Sounds like a wobbling noise. Gets faster as speed grows. Could it be
>> the rear? I dont know. Thanks
>The best I can tell you is open it up and look it over. If the gears look
>worn, buy a Tremec. You can rebuild a T5 pretty cheaply if you do it
>yourself, and you ONLY need the basic rebuild kit. But if you have to
>start ordering gearsets left and right, you might as well get a new tranny.
All rebuild it for ya... If just 3rd gear is shot .. Which its
prolly not just 3rd.. its prolly the cluster and 3rd gear... your
looking at about 249 right there... 50 bucks labor if you want me to
rebuild it... I have a used cluster and 3rd gear also...
get back to me....
if you decide to buy a new tranny let me know... all buy this
broken one from ya..
Dave Bannister 5.0 wizzard
hid...@odyline.com
Samram3
>Get a Tremec.
Yea I know but I doont think I have enough to buy one AND have it put in. If I
cant get one what would you sugguest instead. I could completly rebuild this
or go for something like a brand new c-4. Thanks
Rick
87 gt
Samram3
I also see heavy duty t-5's for sale brand new. I really dobnt know anything
about the quality of these other transmissions. thanks for the help.
rick
87 gt
5.0 wizzard
sam...@aol.com (Samram3) wrote:
>rick
>87 gt
tremics are good.... still can break 3rd in em... But the chances
are way less than a t-5... the gears are way beefier.
anyway.. how much horse power you running... And how do you shift?
you power shifting? you might get away with a 90 up gear set.. I
have an 87 Gt stock tranny and run 13..2s all day.. no trackion..
but I have about 320 hp or so and its holding... it may be the way
your shifting or ... Do you run slicks or cheaters???
Samram3
I am not sure of the horsepower, but I do have the following mods:
NOS(which I myself have never used)
MAF
Headers
Flowmasters
K&N
70mm TB
Hurst shifter
3.73rear
MSD Ignnition
underdrive pullies
(I guess here about 290)
I plan to get a 6psi Supercharger in the next year.
So with all this(excluding NOS) I would guess be 370?
These are all just guesses, and should I definately consider a tremec with all
of these? I do occasionally powershhift(and once I get to the track I am sure
I will) and I will not use slicks or cheaters. Hope this helps.
Rick
87gt
Chris Mauritz
Samram3 (sam...@aol.com) wrote:
: I am not sure of the horsepower, but I do have the following mods:
Of course, you forgot to mention the part about where you noticed the
T-5 was making noise, was low on fluid, and then proceeded to fill it
with gear oil. I'm sure that did wonders for it. ;-/
Chris
Samram3
>Of course, you forgot to mention the part about where you noticed the
>T-5 was making noise, was low on fluid, and then proceeded to fill it
>with gear oil. I'm sure that did wonders for it. ;-/
It only had gear oil in it for @10 miles. then it was drained, seals were
replaced and atf was put in. I doubt that did much of anything during 10-15
miles. Plus it lasted for 2000 miles before only 3rd gear went out.
Adam S. Bruce
On 13 Oct 1997 19:00:56 GMT, sam...@aol.com (Samram3) wrote:
>I am not sure of the horsepower, but I do have the following mods:
>NOS(which I myself have never used)
How much of a jetting are you running? Is it a progressive system?
Running a non-progressive 150 shot is much harder on the drivetran
than running a progressive 200 hp shot (FWIW)
>MAF
>Headers
>Flowmasters
>K&N
>70mm TB
>Hurst shifter
>3.73rear
^^^^^^^
That's going to be murder on a T-5 as well.
>MSD Ignnition
>underdrive pullies
>(I guess here about 290)
>I plan to get a 6psi Supercharger in the next year.
What type?
>So with all this(excluding NOS) I would guess be 370?
>These are all just guesses, and should I definately consider a tremec with all
> of these? I do occasionally powershhift(and once I get to the track I am sure
> I will) and I will not use slicks or cheaters. Hope this helps.
>
>Rick
>87gt
I would recomend getting a T-56 6 speed out of a
Firebird/Camaro/Viper. you can find one with no miles on it all for
about $1,000, and they're much stronger than a Tremec. (The 94+ T56 6
speeds are rated at 450 lb-ft) It's a odable swap to get one behind a
302, and it only takes a minimum of alteration. (I have a Car Craft
somewhere that shows you how to do it.)
-Adam, doing the same swap this Thursday
--
'91 Formula 350 (drag car)
'67 Mustang (show car)
5.0 wizzard
sam...@aol.com (Samram3) wrote:
>>How much of a jetting are you running? Is it a progressive system?
>>Running a non-progressive 150 shot is much harder on the drivetran
>>than running a progressive 200 hp shot (FWIW)
>I do not run the nitrous. The previous owner did, and I do not know how often
> or how much he ran. It is a wet system and has a 10lb bottle. I know nothing
> else about it.
>>That's going to be murder on a T-5 as well.
>Yea I know, my rebuilder will put stronger gears and some kind of "fork" in the
> shifter. He said this will help make it stronger.
>>What type?
>Hopefully a powerdyne 6psi Supercharger
>>I would recomend getting a T-56 6 speed out of a
>>Firebird/Camaro/Viper. you can find one with no miles on it all for
>>about $1,000, and they're much stronger than a Tremec. (The 94+ T56 6
>>speeds are rated at 450 lb-ft) It's a odable swap to get one behind a
>>302, and it only takes a minimum of alteration. (I have a Car Craft
>>somewhere that shows you how to do it.)
>>
>Since I am not doing the work myself, how much would my mechanic(average)
> charge me for the fit. How much is involved in the swap. Just the mounts? I am
> sortof hesitant on mixing the manufacturers parts.
>>-Adam, doing the same swap this Thursday
>On a mustang?
>Rick
>87gt
ok... I belive you need a different drive shaft.. ( shorter,
differernt input (27 spline I think))... you need to modify the cross
member and move it back... Different bell houseing... extend all the
wiring to the current t-5 for the new tranny... ie speedo,backup
switch... I can't think of anything else.. hmm..
we just changed one back from a T56 to T-5 couple months ago..
Dave bannister 5.0 wizzard
hid...@odyline.com
Samram3
5.0 wizzard
sam...@aol.com (Samram3) wrote:
>Well I just got a tremec for it so I wont be doing the T56 swap. Sounds like
> too much trouble anyway. Any sugguestions of what not to do to keep this one
> lasting long and healthy. Is powershifting murder to them? I hear about people
> all the time at the track using this method. Is spinning the wheels(from stop)
> extreme murder on the tranny. I know its not great for the clutch. I love to
> drive fast(not insane), but dont want to hurt my tranny. Just wondering. I
> know all these things arent good for it, but is there one thats worse? I just
> want to know what never to do. I was actually decently careful with my last
> one. I powershifted less than enough times to count on one hand, and spun
> wheels not even 10 times(in 3000 miles) Is this too much? Thanks
>Rick
>87gt
I still here if you power shift tremecs 3rd gear they go... But I
dont know what kind of horse power they were running... my stock 87
tranny is still running... lots of drags on it... shit load of power
shifting... But maybe its cause I dont have good trackion... only
pulling 13.2s on street tires...
Samram3
Samram3
>I still here if you power shift tremecs 3rd gear they go... But I
>dont know what kind of horse power they were running... my stock 87
>tranny is still running... lots of drags on it... shit load of power
>shifting... But maybe its cause I dont have good trackion... only
>pulling 13.2s on street tires...
>
Wow that sucks. I would really like to know if that is true, I dont want to
find out the hard way. If you know somewhere I might be able to find out, that
would be great. I thought the tremec was stronger overall than the T5
Rick
87gt
White Tornado 1
Doofus, the stock DSM aren't breaking, you not fact having monkey
spank. It's the 10-11 sec ones that are breaking.
>*MY* mustang breaks driveline parts because I have many mods and much more
> power on my tranny than a stock DSM. I am sure that it was run much harder
> than most dsm's in its lifetime.(it has NOS from the previous owner) Plus my
> car is 10 YEARS OLD. Do you understand? I hope you do because your ignorance
> is showing through anthony. And there was no talk on this thread of DSM parts
> breaking.
>
>Rick
>87gt
Chris Mauritz
Samram3 (sam...@aol.com) wrote:
: >I still here if you power shift tremecs 3rd gear they go... But I
There is no big mystery here. Neither of these transmissions is designed
to be abused (I think we can all agree that powershifting is abuse). If
you have one that lasts through this kind of treatment consider yourself
lucky. Generally speaking, drag racing is very hard on the drivetrain
(though as others have pointed out, you can lessen this by using skinny
tires....you're substituting tire longevity for drivetrain longevity).
I think it's really neat that you want to race your 'stang. I like
to race mine too. But I also think you need to accept the bad with
the good. You'll break parts. And parts like transmissions can be
expensive. 8-)
And to answer your question above....yes, the Tremec is a bit stronger
than the T-5, though it's not bulletproof.
Chris
White Tornado 1
Oh WAIT! I thought Mustangs never broke driveline parts? With all
this talk about DSMs breaking, I just naturally assumed that no
Mustang ever broke.
Just by the superior tone that you were using.
>I think it's really neat that you want to race your 'stang. I like
>to race mine too. But I also think you need to accept the bad with
>the good. You'll break parts. And parts like transmissions can be
>expensive. 8-)
>
>And to answer your question above....yes, the Tremec is a bit stronger
>than the T-5, though it's not bulletproof.
>
>Chris
>
White Tornado 1
Sorry, I didn't mean to be so harsh with you last post. I didn't
realize that you were posting from AOL. Let me translate to something
that an AOLer would understand.
Uuuh, da DSmZ areN;t br0king wh'n dey R' st00k. it's duh fazt 0nez.
This has been a production of AOLbonics.
Better than your dad,
WT!
Samram3
Adam Bruce
White Tornado 1 <nos...@spamco.com> wrote in article
<3444c90a...@news2.ibm.net>...
> Doofus, the stock DSM aren't breaking, you not fact having monkey
> spank. It's the 10-11 sec ones that are breaking.
I have two friends that are previous DSM owners that would disagree with
you.
-Adam
Chris Mauritz
Adam Bruce (adam*nospam*@gulf.net) wrote:
:
:
: White Tornado 1 <nos...@spamco.com> wrote in article
: <3444c90a...@news2.ibm.net>...
: > Doofus, the stock DSM aren't breaking, you not fact having monkey
: > spank. It's the 10-11 sec ones that are breaking.
:
: I have two friends that are previous DSM owners that would disagree with
: you.
Why do folks call them DSM's? They're Mitsubishi automobiles. You
know, the same folks that built the Zeros. :)
Chris
Tom Stangl
Stands for Diamond Star Motors. Mitsu symbol is 3 diamonds, Chrysler is a
star. Sad thing is, most DSM OWNERS don't know what DSM stands for <sigh>.
BTW, you may have 2 friends that disagree with WT (Adam), but I have 1500+
that disagree with you. Larger sample. I have also known 2 people on one
block to have total LEMON Mustangs, yet known a club of dozens with only
the minor annoyances that crop up from time to time. So again, I stick to
YMMV. NEITHER of my 2 DSMs have probs that I don't cause from high-stress
launches at the track (total "breakage" - split the sidewalls on my street
tires after 30K miles on them).
--
Samram3
Oh my you are a riot. I couldnt help but laughing. "you not fact having monkey
spank" If thats not ebonics I dont know what is.
And then you start making fun of me AOL and ebonics. You think you are so
quick and so clever. Sorry buddy. First you have to go back and learn english.
You could have said you misguided monkey spank. You could have said many other
things but you chose "not fact having". You must be very limited. Period. Well
just for that laugh, tell your mom I said hi and dont worry about the money.
Oh and by the way I think you are wrong. We are talking of stock drivetrain
parts here. A modded DSM with stock tranny will break before a stock modded
mustang. Stop trying to defend the stupid Dick Sucking Mobiles in the mustang
newsgroup. If you have something important to say than thats cool. But
otherwise, shut up. Thank you and have a nice day.
Rick
87gt
Samram3
Mitsubishi was not the only one to have a DSM. The Eagle talon is also a DSM.
It stands for diamond sport motors or something. The name of the motor or
something. I am not into them so I dont know exactly why. And before good ole
WT says anything, that is the reason I am on the mustang newsgroup and not on
the auto.riceboy newsgroup. So flame me WT and let this guy know the actual
reason they are called DSM's. Later
Rick
87gt
Adam Bruce
> : I have two friends that are previous DSM owners that would disagree
with
> : you.
>
> Why do folks call them DSM's? They're Mitsubishi automobiles. You
> know, the same folks that built the Zeros. :)
>
> Chris
One had a Talon the other had an eclipse so it's easier to refer to them as
DSM cars. sort of like how "F-Body" refers to both the Camaro and the
Firebird.
5.0 wizzard
sam...@aol.com (Samram3) wrote:
>>I still here if you power shift tremecs 3rd gear they go... But I
>>dont know what kind of horse power they were running... my stock 87
>>tranny is still running... lots of drags on it... shit load of power
>>shifting... But maybe its cause I dont have good trackion... only
>>pulling 13.2s on street tires...
>>
>Wow that sucks. I would really like to know if that is true, I dont want to
> find out the hard way. If you know somewhere I might be able to find out, that
> would be great. I thought the tremec was stronger overall than the T5
Dont get me wrong... The tremec is way above the t-5... but I just
herd from sources that the tremecs 3rd goes also.. Like I said I dont
know how much power they were running... I have seen the inside of a
tremec... Rick dont worry about breaking 3rd gear.. that tranny is way
way stronger than your t-5... trust me..
David Lyons
If you can't get one, then I wouldn't waste any money on a "good"
tranny. Just get something that'll get you around until you can get a
Tremec or T-56.
--
David Lyons
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http://www.mindspring.com/~lyonsd