Something worth reading...
Lynn
CNN Headline News did a short news listing regarding Ford and GM's
contributions to the relief and recovery efforts in New York and
Washington. The findings are as follows......
1. Ford- $1 million to American Red Cross matching employee
contributions of the same number plus 10 Excursions to NY Fire
Dept.
The company also offered ER response team services and office space to
displaced government employees.
2. GM- $1 million to American Red Cross matching employee
contributions of the same number and a fleet of vans, suv's, and trucks.
3. Daimler Chrysler- $10 million to support of the children and
victims of the Sept. 11 attack.
4. Harley Davidson motorcycles- $1 million and 30 new motorcycles
to the New York Police Dept.
5. Volkswagen- Employees and management created a Sept 11
Foundation, funded initial with $2 million, for the assistance of the
children
and victims of the WTC.
6. Hyundai- $300,000 to the American Red Cross.
7. Audi- Nothing.
8. BMW- Nothing.
9. Daewoo- Nothing.
10. Fiat- Nothing.
11. Honda- Nothing despite boasting of second best sales month
ever in August 2001
12. Isuzu- Nothing.
13. Mitsubishi- Nothing.
14. Nissan- Nothing.
15. Porsche- Nothing. Press release with condolences via the
Porsche website.
16. Subaru- Nothing.
17. Suzuki- Nothing.
18. Toyota- Nothing despite claims of high sales in July and
August 2001. Condolences posted on the website
Whenever the time may be for you to purchase or lease a new
vehicle, keep this information in mind. You might want to give more
consideration to a car manufactured by an American-owned and / or American
based
company. Apart from Hyundai and Volkswagen, the foreign car
companies contributed nothing at all to the citizens of the United States.
It's OK for these companies to take money out of this country, but it is
apparently not acceptable to return some in a time of crisis. I
believe we should not forget things like this.
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Mark Gonzales
comments:
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> Andrew,
> You should have trusted your normal approach to spam. This message
> has been debunked in other forums and on the urban legends website
> snopes.com. It's totally false and seems to rely on either ignorance
> or maliciousness to keep on spreading. My company, Toyota,gave $1.9
> million and I'm sure Honda and Nissan gave comparable sums.
> The corporate culture here is not to blow your own horn about stuff
> you are morally obligated to do, let alone exploit a tragedy of this
> proportion to spread lies about your competitors. The car market is
> tough for the "domestics" right now, but it hardly justifies this type
> of tactic.
> Sorry to be off-topic in your group.
> ``````````````````````````````````````````
> Cindy Knight
> New Media Relations
> Toyota Motor Sales, USA, Inc.
> 310-468-7608
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Sorry to add to an OT thread but the list was in error, at least
regarding BMW.
Actually, BMW was pretty generous, considering their small size
relative to GM and Ford. BMW donated $1 million in cash and ten X5
SUVs to the American Red Cross, plus gave 100 police motorcycles to
the NYPD. They also have a factory (in South Carolina) relief fund and
are matching employee contributions.
Source:
http://bmwusfactory.com/news/releases/20010914.htm
There are other sources, of course.
BTW, BMW's North American headquarters is in New York state - they
lost one of their top-level staff (corporate counsel, IIRC) in one of
the doomed planes.
regards,
Zenon
1973 BMW 2002, 1984 BMW 325e
Director BMW CCBC, Member BMW CCA
plus a bunch of guitars and amps and stuff.
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Brad
breaks - probably around the 40-50% range of the donation. So really,
they're giving 1/2, the gov't is giving 1/2. Either way, the Red Cross gets
it all.
Brad
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> Yeah, this is sad.
Nah, not sad. Simply untrue. For example:
http://bmwusfactory.com/news/releases/20010914.htm
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Mark Gonzales
Toyota is listed on the Red Cross sponser list:
http://www.redcross.org/sponsors/corporatelist.html
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About Honda:
http://honda.com/ "Our Company Responds"
"In addition, American Honda Motor Co., Inc., Honda of America Mfg., Inc.
and other sister companies in North America have contributed a total of
$1,100,534, including company matching funds and direct cash contributions."
"These combined efforts total $1,549,068. The bulk of these funds have been
earmarked to the United Way of New York "September 11 Fund," and the
American Red Cross.
As an immediate step, Honda donated all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) to help
rescue workers quickly navigate the difficult terrain around the World Trade
Center."
peter
Chris Carter
one. Maybe some smaller based companies just cant find it feasible or have
other reasons for not donating. But I think holding back from purchasing
from a company that didnt donate anything is just plain dumb. I dont want to
start a flame war about the 9-11 donations...
So I will withold my personal beliefs on this subject, now lets talk
Mustangs :)
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Mark Gonzales
The original e-mail appears NOT to have been a malicious hoax, but rather a
sincere disappointment by an individual who, after seeing US auto company
WTC contributions listed on CNN, decided to search other auto company
websites for similar information.
He/she concluded that since contributions were not listed, that they weren't
given. This apparently was not the case and now auto companies are listing
contributions on their website in defense of this spreading e-mail.
If anyone is interested in a little insight on this, go to www.snopes.com
Search:
automotive contributions
Click:
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Rumors of War (Automotive
Contributions) ....
Other urban legends are listed - interesting site.
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JD Fensty
@typhoon.austin.rr.com>:
>I got this in an email and decided to pass it along to you guys / gals
Nothing against you at all...but just a tip, when you get stuff like that,
always check it thru Snopes.com, the best legend debunking site I've found.
I remembered seeing this awhile back, and sure enough a quick peek found it
again:
http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/cars.htm
Anyway, all that aside, even if it were true, who cares?
(major rantage that's been building up inside for weeks now boiling off...)
You know what? At the risk of sounding like some terrible horrid
unAmerican antipatriot, I'd like to say - a small but vocal number of those
"victims" are pissing me off. The government - not even counting the
charity money, but the government handouts - is giving these people from a
few hundred grand to millions and they are saying it's not ENOUGH!
Since when do you get a payout for having a family member killed, be it in
an act of war, terrorism or whatever? It's an insult to every American
patriot who was ever killed either in the line of duty or civilian who was
in the wrong place at the wrong time.
It's made me so angry how while 9/11 brought out the best in Americans,
it's also brought out the very worst. Most people who lose a loved one to
an accident or to cold blooded murder get the life insurance and maybe some
pension benefits. Some might manage a court settlement and a tiny few will
manage to make a huge punative settlement against someone at fault. But
these folks seem to think the Government owes them every dollar their
family member could have earned under a "best case" scenario if they'd
lived to be 65. I can't believe it.
OK, now that I'll calm down a bit and say, I'm sure it's a case of a few
loudmouthed ingrates sullying the memory of their loved ones for a few
bucks ruining it for the tens of thousands of people who would trade
anything they had for their lost one to be returned. And I'm so sorry for
them...but that's why I'm angry at the vocal minority.
JD
(getting off the soapbox and standing by for flamage)
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Mark Gonzales
9/11 attack and was awarded a couple of hundred thousand dollars or
something like that. In the rush for relief efforts, many claims were not
thoroughly investigated.
Anyway, THEY enjoyed spending the money until they were caught.
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'99 Civic Si
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Tyler Pickett
owned by Diamler Chr.
JD Fensty
@suaar1aa.prod.compuserve.com>:
>I saw this on TV about a month ago. This guy claimed his wife died in the
>9/11 attack and was awarded a couple of hundred thousand dollars or
>something like that. In the rush for relief efforts, many claims were not
>thoroughly investigated.
>
>Anyway, THEY enjoyed spending the money until they were caught.
Yeah, that's bad, but I'm not even talking outright fraud.
I'm talking about the different people and groups who are out there
complaining that, "After the government subtracts the insurance settlements
and pension benefits, they are only paying us $345000 for the loss of my
husband/wife/son/daughter." (eg, the family is getting 325 big ones, plus
a hefty life insurance settlement (last I heard, untaxed) and pension
benefits (not sure of the tax status on those?) because the person was
killed in the attack. People get killed every single day and their
families get nothing. Because this was a "national tragedy" it should be
different? Why?
It is excellent there are many charities making sure these people can make
ends meet and don't have to worry about bills or anything while waiting for
those life insurance benefits/pensions/etc.
I am quite certain that doesn't come close to paying for their emotional
loss, that is NOT what I am saying. What I'm saying is, since when is ANY
price too high or too low for an emotional loss?
I'm not insensitive, I swear I'm not....
Oh well, now that I'm started, I'm also a little pissed off at how nobody
ever mentions the Port Authority Transit Police in any of the same
sentences as the FDNY/PDNY. There are hundreds of charities lining up for
the FD and PD but the poor Port Authority police who were also right there
in that building doing their duty for the civilian public rarely even get
mentioned.
And hell, I won't even get into how angry it makes me people are making
heroes out of the few people who's names we know that were taking part in
the rebellion on the Pennsylvania flight, when nobody will truly ever know
who all took part in what on that flight. Every single person on that
airplane was a hero of the highest caliber, if you ask me, because we don't
know and never will know who was giving pep talks, moral support, or rose
up against the terrorists...we know the names of SOME of them, but we'll
never know all. So they should be honored as a complete group, not just
the ones who made phone calls out...
Hmm, I guess I just got into it.
I'm truly sorry for venting and ranting everyone. I've even lost all
control of my grammar, spelling and elipsis marks. But this has been just
brewing and brewing in me for weeks now.
JD
Mark Gonzales
> mgon...@lt-solutions.com (Mark Gonzales) wrote in <a2qnck$4aq$1
> @suaar1aa.prod.compuserve.com>:
>
> >I saw this on TV about a month ago. This guy claimed his wife died in the
> >9/11 attack and was awarded a couple of hundred thousand dollars or
> >something like that. In the rush for relief efforts, many claims were not
> >thoroughly investigated.
> >
> >Anyway, THEY enjoyed spending the money until they were caught.
>
> Yeah, that's bad, but I'm not even talking outright fraud.
I know. I just don't have the balls to directly comment on your posts -
though I'm not saying I disagree. It's DAMN interesting reading.
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Mark
'99 Civic Si
Garth Almgren
> you also have to keep in mind that Nissan is owned by Ford and Mitsu. is
> owned by Diamler Chr.
>
>
>
Looking at the FMC webpage. Hmm. Volvo, Mazda, Lincoln, Ford, Mercury,
Jaguar, Aston-Martin, and Land-Rover. No Nissan.
If Ford does have a stake in Nissan, it is small enough that FMC doesn't
think it's worth mentioning.
No idea about any Mitsubishi/DC ties.
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"Tyler Pickett" <lilpi...@home.com> wrote in message
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> you also have to keep in mind that Nissan is owned by Ford and Mitsu. is
> owned by Diamler Chr.
>
>
Nissan is owned by Renault; DC has a 35% stake in Mitsubishi. You are
thinking of Mazda, which Ford owns a percentage of..(50% maybe).
Rob
Lynn
before posting this.
My fault......:-)
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