fastest fox, which? 87-93? which is the fastest?
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[CheM]
what fox is the fastest?
is it faster than 94-95 5.0's?
96-98 4.6l?
99-present 4.6l?
Bill S.
0-30mph
0-60mph
1/8 mile
1/4 mile
Flying mile
fastest road course lap(in which case which track)
Top Speed
WHAT??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Yours in Fords,
Bill S.
[CheM]
i am speaking of 1/4th of a mile
"Bill S." <bil...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Ed Nicholson
if we are, then the 2000 5.4 Cobra R and the 95 5.8 Cobra R would be the
quickest
if not, then a 99-up 4.6 GT would be a bit quicker than the 87-88 non-MAF LX
5.0 I believe
fast Ed N.
95 T-Bird SC 5 spd. 1 of 574
68 Cougar 289 EFI restomod
former owner 87 LX hatch 5.0 13.98 @ 99.66 stock gears, exhaust and tires
!!
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Michael Johnson, PE
speed density LX 5.0L sedans. The 5-speed Foxes are generally
considered to be quicker in the 1/4 than the '94-'95 Mustangs mainly due
to their lighter weight and slightly more agressive computer
programming.
For '96-'98 cars I guess it would be the '98's since they were rated the
highest horsepower for those years. This is for 2-valve cars only as
the Cobras were techinically the quickest 4.6L Stangs for this period.
For 99+ the (excluding the '99 & '01 Cobras) the fastest will probably
be the 2001 Bullitt Mustang. It is supposed to have and additional 15
hp which brings it to 275 hp by the use of a new intake and exhaust
system.
WhyteStang
are slightly faster than the hatchbacks and GT's of the same year because they
weight something like 150-200lbs. less.
>is it faster than 94-95 5.0's?
Yes, the '94-95's are heavier, so they are somewhat slower.
>96-98 4.6l?
Yes, I believe so also.
>99-present 4.6l?
No. The '99+ are slightly quicker.
-Franklin
'89 GT
"I feel the need... the need for speed."
http://members.aol.com/whytestang/MustangGT.html
Lemon Joke Kid
>are slightly faster than the hatchbacks and GT's of the same year because they
>weight something like 150-200lbs. less.
How about the '86?
Michael Addorisio
86 was only rated at 200HP due to the smaller heads and intake. They made them
bigger in 87 and HP was bumped to 225.
Now back to the weight arguement? WHat exactly is the weight difference between
an LX hatchback and a LX sedan...both models equiped with same options? I read
somewhere it was only something like 60-100 pounds at the most. Sure the hatch
weighs a lot, but so does the rear window and trunk of a sedan.
Also, here is another legit question. Are the seats in the 87-88 5.0 LX's
lighter than the sport seats in 89-later LX's? It just looks like those
4-banger seats seem a bit lighter.
Michael
~~'88 Mustang LX 5.0L AOD~~
FMS 3.73's, MAC 2.5" exhaust, FMS "C" springs, Tokico shocks, etc.
-14.6 @ 95MPH- http://hometown.aol.com/mustang5l5/
Stored for Winter
Planned--> 5-spd swap, headers, h-pipe, pullies, 130amp. alt
WhyteStang
>between
>an LX hatchback and a LX sedan...both models equiped with same options? I
>read
>somewhere it was only something like 60-100 pounds at the most. Sure the
>hatch
>weighs a lot, but so does the rear window and trunk of a sedan.
Im guessing its mostly in the hatch. The hatch probably has twice as much
glass as the rear window of a notch, and with the hatch you have the extra
weight of the spoiler. Im sure thats the main thing, there are probably a few
other small things that add on some weight.
I read somewhere that the difference between the notch and GT was somewhere in
the neighborhood of 150 lbs. mostly because of the ground effects. So the
difference between the hatchback and notch cant be much.
Bill S.
Yours In Fords,
Lemon Joke Kid
>>
>
>86 was only rated at 200HP due to the smaller heads and intake. They made them
>bigger in 87 and HP was bumped to 225.
True, but two people I talked to who owned both 86's and newer Fox
Mustangs insist the 86 was definitely faster. Magazine tests of 86
and 87 Mustangs seem to confirm this.
Michael Addorisio
>True, but two people I talked to who owned both 86's and newer Fox
>Mustangs insist the 86 was definitely faster. Magazine tests of 86
>and 87 Mustangs seem to confirm this.
I won't argue with that point. I had a friend with an 86GT and it screwed. I
always figured it had to do with weight with is why 86's can run with the
87-up's. Basically, to me, 86GT's are 87-up LX's. For some reason I think they
are a tad bit lighter than later LX's.
89Saleen671
restrictive and unersized upper intake, and the heads were the same as well.
Very restrictive. Think the weight issue was proably the kicker.
--
Brian
1989 Saleen #671
I Lyke Burnt Rice.
http://www2.apex.net/users/heresy/brians89.htm
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Ralph Bischof
"[CheM]" <thech...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> Stock
> what fox is the fastest?
These...
http://www.dreamwater.com/puter/lxside.jpg
87 and 88 (49-state) 5.0 5-speed Speed Density coupes.
--
Ralph F. Bischof, Jr.
84 GT
88 LX
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NoOption5L
musta...@aol.comspamsuck (Michael Addorisio) writes:
>Also, here is another legit question. Are the seats in the 87-88 5.0 LX's
>lighter than the sport seats in 89-later LX's? It just looks like those
>4-banger seats seem a bit lighter.
The number I could find for the basic LX seat is 19 lbs. Not sure how much the
sport seats weight. Anyone...?
Patrick
'93 Cobra - Best E.T. 13.44 / Best MPH 103.23
Former original owner - '87 5-liter, 5-speed LX
14.2 @ 98 stock - 13.8 @ 101 lightly modded
I'm not brand loyal. If it's fast, I like it.
Boycott Excessive Motorsports
NoOption5L
whyte...@aol.comNOSPAM (WhyteStang) writes:
>The fastest fox body would probably be an '87 or '88 5.0 LX notchback. They
>are slightly faster than the hatchbacks and GT's of the same year because
>they weight something like 150-200lbs. less.
The weight difference between the notch and the hatchback is 58 lbs. This
weight doesn't affect performance because:
1) The hatchback's added 58 lbs is over the rear tires helping traction.
2) The hatchback is slightly more aerodynamic than the notch.
The weight you don't want is the 40 lbs of frontal weight the air conditioner
adds...
NoOption5L
<x...@core.com> writes:
No they don't. Trust me... I have nearly every road test for the Fox cars.
The '87 and up cars were at least 3-4 tenths faster.
Xx North American P51D xX
Patrick,
Would you know the weight of my son's 88GT and my 97GT? How do they compare?
TIA.
Sara
-----------------
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AOD, Bassani X-Pipe, Bassani Cat-Back, K&N.
3.73's, 70MM Throttle Body, March Pulleys.
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No Stickers, No Tint, No Fuzzy Dice.
NoOption5L
nine...@aol.comXstangX (Xx North American P51D xX) writes:
>>From: noopt...@aol.com (NoOption5L)
>Patrick,
>Would you know the weight of my son's 88GT and my 97GT? How do they
>compare? TIA.
Sara,
Give me your son's GT's options and I'll add 'em up. As for the 97 GT, I can
only give you what the magazine's listed, but then that may or may not be
close. Really, the best thing you can do is find a trucker's scale. Doing
that, I found out my '93 has a race weight (minus the spare and jack) of only
3,120. My old LX tipped the scales at 2,980.
Michael Addorisio
>The number I could find for the basic LX seat is 19 lbs. Not sure how much
>the
>sport seats weight. Anyone...?
>
I took a look at that "Fox-body option weight" post that i saved that you
posted up a while ago. My understanding on the weight sport seats was that
they were standard on the GT as we all know and they added 19 pounds of weight
to the LX over the base seat weight.
So whatever a base model 4-banger seat weighs...add 19 pounds....that's 40
pounds extra weight. Not much, but it's also 40 pound that 87-88 5.0 LX don't
have.
Of course, like always...i could be wrong. Anyone have some real world numbers
on the weight of the seats? I have my driver's seat yanked out while i'm
putting my clutch pedal in (right now it's too cold and snowing to work on it)
so the next time I head out I'll toss the seat on the bathroom scale and get a
weight on it. Anybody got a GT seat sitting around that they can toss on the
scale?
Also, what's the deal with the weight of the facory rims? This is the info i
have on them
10-hole = 21 pounds
Turbine = 18 pounds
Pony = 16.5 pound
93 Cobra = ?
can anyone confirm?
NoOption5L
"taxi cab seats" the LX normally comes with.
BTW - it's nice to know things I post people save. You made my day.
Where did you get the numbers for the wheels?
As for the Cobra wheels, I have a weight for them... about a ton! They are not
light. The next time I mount my DR's I'll try to get them weighted...
Jimz466
was 100% stock with the exception of a dynomax catback due to the original
pipes rusting out. It weighed in the low 2700 area and had over 150k miles.
Title stated 2700, but actual scale weight (done down the street from
dorchester dragway in South Carolina) was just a tad higher. And it was quicker
than ANY other stock stang I've ever owned or driven.
David Lyons
'88 (if you don't count the '93 Cobra)
> is it faster than 94-95 5.0's?
Yes
> 96-98 4.6l?
Yes
> 99-present 4.6l?
No
--
David Lyons
Michael Addorisio
>Where did you get the numbers for the wheels?
I can't remember the website, but it had a pretty good page on the weights of a
lot of stuff on 3rd and 4th gen Mustangs. It mostly relied on people actually
getting the weight of a hatch, or a spoiler, or a rim and posting it up. Those
were the numbers on the rims and i just wanted to see if they were accurate
Michael Addorisio
>
>'88 (if you don't count the '93 Cobra)
why not 87 too?
JMEL5
coupe?
JJ
David Lyons
musta...@aol.comspamsuck (Michael Addorisio) wrote:
> >> what fox is the fastest?
> >
> >'88 (if you don't count the '93 Cobra)
>
> why not 87 too?
I thought it had something to do with the heads.
While searching the "year-by-year" sections of the GT and LX Registry
websites to answer your question I found conflicting info.
According to http://www.mustangregistry.org/lx_87_89.htm the '87s used
E5TE truck heads.
However, on http://www.mustanggt.org/87gt.htm it states E7TE truck heads
were used beginning in '87.
I suppose if both years used the exact same heads, then the early '87s
are the fastest because according to
http://www.mustangregistry.org/lx_87_89.htm "...at some point in 1987,
an air silencer was added to the intake tract just before the air
filter, reducing engine output by about 5 to 7 horsepower".
NoOption5L
writes:
>In article <20001228172040...@ng-cc1.aol.com>,
> musta...@aol.comspamsuck (Michael Addorisio) wrote:
>> >> what fox is the fastest?
>> >'88 (if you don't count the '93 Cobra)
>> why not 87 too?
>I thought it had something to do with the heads.
No Dave. The '86s had the crappy heads. 1987 marked the first year for the
225 horsepower 5-liter. The '88's were exactly the same as the '87's. 1989
marked the first year of changes with the switch to mass-air, and at some
point, a mid-year cam change.
>While searching the "year-by-year" sections of the GT and LX Registry
>websites to answer your question I found conflicting info.
>According to http://www.mustangregistry.org/lx_87_89.htm the '87s used
>E5TE truck heads.
>However, on http://www.mustanggt.org/87gt.htm it states E7TE truck heads
>were used beginning in '87.
All HOs used the E7TE heads.
>I suppose if both years used the exact same heads, then the early '87s
>are the fastest because according to
>http://www.mustangregistry.org/lx_87_89.htm
>"...at some point in 1987, an air silencer was added to the intake tract just
before >the air filter, reducing engine output by about 5 to 7 horsepower".
All '87s, as did the '86s, and the later '88-'93s, had the air silencer.
1987 marked the first year of very low 14's and some high 13 second 1/4 mile
magazine times.
So, this is the way I see the top three Fox cars ('82-'93):
'93 Cobra R
'93 Cobra
'87-'88 5-liter, 5-speed LXs
Michael Addorisio
>All '87s, as did the '86s, and the later '88-'93s, had the air silencer.
>
I'll second this one. I've helped yank silencers from an 87 and 86 Mustang
RIC...@webtv.net
NoOption5L
RIC...@webtv.net writes:
>mine
What... you have the fastest '87-'93 Fox...?
Jimz466
Jim.
Xx North American P51D xX
(NoOption5L) writes:
>In article <20001227103013...@ng-mi1.aol.com>,
>nine...@aol.comXstangX (Xx North American P51D xX) writes:
>
>>>From: noopt...@aol.com (NoOption5L)
>
>>Patrick,
>
>>Would you know the weight of my son's 88GT and my 97GT? How do they
>>compare? TIA.
>
>Sara,
>
>Give me your son's GT's options and I'll add 'em up. As for the 97 GT, I can
>only give you what the magazine's listed, but then that may or may not be
>close. Really, the best thing you can do is find a trucker's scale. Doing
>that, I found out my '93 has a race weight (minus the spare and jack) of only
>3,120. My old LX tipped the scales at 2,980.
>
Patrick,
The 88 GT has the usual bells and whistles including automatic transmission,
PW & DL, GT ground effects, etc..What else do you need to know?
I'll look around for a trucker scale for the 97GT. Who would of thought we'd
be looking longingly at all those closed weigh stations along I95. ;-)
Thanks,
Sara
NoOption5L
nine...@aol.comXstangX (Xx North American P51D xX) writes:
>>>Would you know the weight of my son's 88GT and my 97GT? How do they
>>>compare? TIA.
>>
>>Sara,
>>
>>Give me your son's GT's options and I'll add 'em up. As for the 97 GT, I
>can
>>only give you what the magazine's listed, but then that may or may not be
>>close. Really, the best thing you can do is find a trucker's scale. Doing
>>that, I found out my '93 has a race weight (minus the spare and jack) of
>only 3,120. My old LX tipped the scales at 2,980.
>The 88 GT has the usual bells and whistles including automatic transmission,
>PW & DL, GT ground effects, etc..What else do you need to know?
Flip up roof?
Tilt?
Cruise control?
<snip>
Michael Addorisio
>PW & DL, GT ground effects, etc..What else do you need to know?
>
I have an 88LX with the automatic and all the same options. My car weighed 3390
lbs with me in it (190 lbs) I'd say to add anothe 200 pound to the GT and
that's the weight
Michael
1988 Ford Mustang LX 5.0L
-14.5 @ 95MPH-
http://hometown.aol.com/mustang5l5/
jho...@gmail.com
> are we including Cobra Rs and Cobras or just regular GTs and LXs?
>
> if we are, then the 2000 5.4 Cobra R and the 95 5.8 Cobra R would be the
> quickest
> if not, then a 99-up 4.6 GT would be a bit quicker than the 87-88 non-MAF LX
> 5.0 I believe
>
> fast Ed N.
>
> 95 T-Bird SC 5 spd. 1 of 574
> 68 Cougar 289 EFI restomod
> former owner 87 LX hatch 5.0 13.98 @ 99.66 stock gears, exhaust and tires
> !!
>
> "[CheM]" <thech...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:dbS16.15066$RC1.3...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > sorry
> > i am speaking of 1/4th of a mile
> >
> > "Bill S." <bil...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> > news:3A47EC4B...@optonline.net...
> > > You need to be more specific, are we speaking of
> > >
> > > 0-30mph
> > > 0-60mph
> > > 1/8 mile
> > > 1/4 mile
> > > Flying mile
> > > fastest road course lap(in which case which track)
> > > Top Speed
> > >
> > >
> > > WHAT??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yours in Fords,
> > >
> > > Bill S.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "[CheM]" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Stock
> > > > what fox is the fastest?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 99-present 4.6l?
> > >
> >
> >
Exactly what are the times and mph of the fastest fox cars?