ricers never learn!!
Zorak03
honda up to a powerful Mustang rev at it, and then when the Mustang burns the
ricer, then at the next stop light the ricer tries to race again! After he just
got burned, and they will do this many times, seems to me some poeple never
learn. Anyone know why ricers feel the need to get dusted numourus times?
Ryan L.
Same reason why I'd pull up next to a punk kid in his daddy's C5 and try to
race him. Hehe... Maybe to see how their car compares to others?
Ryan L.
Vibrant Red '95 Mustang GT AODE
14.2@97
Stock Engine, 3:55s, Full Exhaust, Upgraded Tranny
Michael Addorisio
Actually there was this one time a friend of mine let me drive his Acura
Integra. He had it riced up a bit and thought it was fast. It wasn't but I
didn't want to say anything or he would accuse me of lying my ass off.. Well i
just so happened to pull next to some kids in a 94-95 GT. I said the hell,
feeling embarrassed, and revved at them and urged a race. I got it and
expectedly, got spanked. Caught him at the light and did it again. Got spanked
a second time. I pulled up to the next light and BSed with them. They wanted to
know (or were just making fun of the car) why I spent so much money on such a
slow car. I replied "I dunno, beats me, it's my friends car! I drive a Mustang
5.0 myself!" We all laughed and went our own ways.
Michael
~~'88 Mustang LX 5.0L AOD~~
FMS 3.73's, MAC 2.5" exhaust, FMS "C" springs, Tokico shocks, etc.
-14.6 @ 95MPH- http://hometown.aol.com/mustang5l5/
Stored for Winter
Planned--> 5-spd swap, headers, h-pipe, pullies, 130amp. alt
Chris Eaton
money on a big exhaust, what else CAN you do to make a car fast anyway?!
They are thinking that the car will "fix itself" on the next run and be
faster.
ce
"Zorak03" <zor...@aol.comic> wrote in message
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Paul Sadosky
I have
gotten old and grumpy, I really won't do street competition, but when I was younger
and (more) foolish I know I raced a few cars that I knew would dust me (drove an
old
280z then). Once I even raced a Lambo (Countach). He drove away from me like I was
riding a bicycle. I was happy just to hear the engine in that car howl.
Paul
89 GT vert
David Lyons
zor...@aol.comic (Zorak03) wrote:
> After he just got burned, and they will do this many times,
> seems to me some poeple never learn. Anyone know why ricers
> feel the need to get dusted numourus times?
The same reason Vice Perpetrator Algore wants to keep recounting the
votes over and over again, changing the rules each time, until it comes
out in his favor.
Once the ricer "wins" one (maybe the 'Stang driver missed a shift,
smoked 'em off the line, whatever), the ricer claims "victory" and goes
and posts his "kill" on the internet.
--
David Lyons
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Will Heckman
site, www.angelfire.com/nc2/mycoffeecan for all the do it yourself,
Uncle Ben's Instant Rice you can stand.
Will
Zorak03
>site, www.angelfire.com/nc2/mycoffeecan for all the do it yourself,
>Uncle Ben's Instant Rice you can stand.
yea i need to try that, i could use an extra 50 hp
Michael Vastarelli
that'll really make their car faster: a turbocharger.
I'm sorry if this goes against the norm of the group but you CAN make a
civic or integra dust a Mustang or Camaro if you did the 'right' mods to it.
But nearly 99% of the time they just mod for looks to give the appearence
that their car is faster, when in reality it's just an 18 second showcase
that impress's no one but themselves.
--
~Mike
'95 3.8L V6
2.5" Singular exhaust with a 2 chamber flowmaster
custom built ram air induction
Cobra OEM leather shifter knob
Boycotting excrementive motorcocks
"Chris Eaton" <chr...@austintx.net> wrote in message
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> Because they just can't believe that their car is slow. They spent all
that
> money on a big exhaust, what else CAN you do to make a car fast anyway?!
> They are thinking that the car will "fix itself" on the next run and be
> faster.
> ce
>
> "Zorak03" <zor...@aol.comic> wrote in message
> news:20001127233659...@ng-fj1.aol.com...
Michael Vastarelli
wow! 50hp! Question, if I ditched my factory Y-pipe and did a dual exhaust
with 2 of those coffee cans would I get 100hp?? SS Camaro's, watch out
cause here i come!! :)
</sarcasm>
--
~Mike
'95 3.8L V6
2.5" Singular exhaust with a 2 chamber flowmaster (soon to be duals with
dual Folgers tips)
custom built ram air induction
Cobra OEM leather shifter knob
Boycotting excrementive motorcocks
"Zorak03" <zor...@aol.comic> wrote in message
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M.L.
For the same reason people like you feel the need to complain about it?
Michael Vastarelli
--
~Mike
'95 3.8L V6
2.5" Singular exhaust with a 2 chamber flowmaster
custom built ram air induction
Cobra OEM leather shifter knob
Boycotting excrementive motorcocks
"Zorak03" <zor...@aol.comic> wrote in message
news:20001128225704...@ng-fx1.aol.com...
> >wow! 50hp! Question, if I ditched my factory Y-pipe and did a dual
exhaust
> >with 2 of those coffee cans would I get 100hp?? SS Camaro's, watch out
> >cause here i come!! :)
>
> Yea, and add a bunch of cool stickers and Japanese Kanji that you have no
idea
> what it says, and thats good for another extra 35hp!!
V6stang (Garth Almgren)
>
> >wow! 50hp! Question, if I ditched my factory Y-pipe and did a dual exhaust
> >with 2 of those coffee cans would I get 100hp?? SS Camaro's, watch out
> >cause here i come!! :)
>
> Yea, and add a bunch of cool stickers and Japanese Kanji that you have no idea
> what it says, and thats good for another extra 35hp!!
That reminds me... I was in Pep Boys the other day, and saw a whole
bunch of those seatbelt pads. They were various colors (of course they
had yellow because yellow = fast), and every one had "Powered By"
followed by some Japanese symbols.
Some kid will pick up a pair for his Civic or Focus simply because they
look cool, when they probably translate to "Powered By Dog Crap" or
"Powered By 4 Overworked Gerbils". Perhaps it is something as simple as
"Powered By Gasoline". Moral of the story, know what it says before you
buy it - it could turn out to be not so "cool".
Either that, or don't buy it at all (notice how I put "cool" in quotes
:0).
--
-Garth
'83 V6 GL Hatch
Brad
>
> >I'm sorry if this goes against the norm of the group but you CAN make a
> >civic or integra dust a Mustang or Camaro if you did the 'right' mods to it.
>
> the Mustang will always win, a heavy modded civic mite dust a stock mustang.
An Integra with a $3500 turbo kit and a catback is capable of 12s. A
typical supercharged 5.0 with little other mods won't do much better
than that.
Zorak03
Zorak03
Ryan L.
typical supercharged 5.0 with little other mods won't do much better
than that.>>
Don't compare apples to oranges. There is no doubt who the winner would be if
a turbo Integra raced a turbo Mustang 5.0 (Incon preferibly) ;)
Nicholas Andrade
car. Last I checked, extra downforce (& weight) on the back end is no a good thing
when a car is dragged from the front.
NB
ons and it runs a 12.5 @ 114mph. This car is not even a drag car, the
guy uses it for Scca Autocrossing. Yeah I'm pretty sure you can mod a
Stang and kill the Integra, but you have to admit that it is pretty fast
for two bolt ons. The bolt ons were a Jackson Supercharger($2,980) and
some Nitto Drag Radials($150 each). That come to $3,280 witch ain't to
bad. Although I have seen Stangs with $600 nitrous setups running
12's. One more thing. I drive a Honda. What do all of yall think a
ricer is. Just some punk kid that puts stickers on his car with fat
seatbelts, and say Powered by ______? What about the guys who really do
stuff to their motors, are these guys ricers? Thanks for the input.
97hb
Michael Vastarelli
to the car that in no way increases the cars performance, and in fact, can
actually make them slower.
I have all the respect in the world for people who actually do work on their
car to make it perform better, but the sad reality is that there's that
giant crowd of owners with rediculous setups that give the people that
actually mod the car for performance a bad name.
--
~Mike
'95 3.8L V6
2.5" Singular exhaust with a 2 chamber flowmaster
custom built ram air induction
Cobra OEM leather shifter knob
Boycotting excrementive motorcocks
"NB" <ds...@ti.com> wrote in message news:3A24A243...@ti.com...
Sam Ford
that makes 190 hp stock, with only a supercharger. That's one effective
supercharger. I don't know Hondas that well, but something seems fishy
<<Mite dust a stock Mustang? I have seen a Integra type-R with two bolt
ons and it runs a 12.5 @ 114mph. This car is not even a drag car, the
guy uses it for Scca Autocrossing. Yeah I'm pretty sure you can mod a
Stang and kill the Integra, but you have to admit that it is pretty fast
for two bolt ons. The bolt ons were a Jackson Supercharger($2,980) and
some Nitto Drag Radials($150 each)>>
Sam Ford
'88 Thunderbird TC
'86 Mustang GT
sh...@my-deja.com
mr50...@aol.communism (Sam Ford) wrote:
> That seems pretty far off to me. You're talking about 320 hp, from
an engine
> that makes 190 hp stock, with only a supercharger. That's one
effective
> supercharger. I don't know Hondas that well, but something seems
fishy
My engine without the turbo would probably make around 140hp. With
the turbo, it is pushing 350hp to 400hp at the crank.
From what I have heard, the Type-R's respond fairly well to
modifications. It seems unintuitive to me, since they are really
maxed to start with.
The one thing that makes me a bit suspicious about the claim is the
mph. 114mph is really fast for a 12.5.
And I can't imagine that the tiny Roots type Jackson Racing Supercharger
would be all that efficient pushing the amount of boost needed to run
114mph.
Josh Wingell
'97 Eclipse GSX - 12....@107.51mph / 1.800s 60ft
Best mph - 12....@110.07mph / 1.737s 60ft
Car web page -> http://www.geocities.com/shapegsx/
Zorak03
so funny, i bet he had no idea what it said.
Zorak03
>ricer is. Just some punk kid that puts stickers on his car with fat
>seatbelts, and say Powered by ______? What about the guys who really do
>stuff to their motors, are these guys ricers? Thanks for the input.
>
No someone who modds the motor, isnt a ricer ..usually
Zorak03
super, it went 144mph, they ran it around a track and it made 2 laps before it
blew the engine.
Chris Eaton
ce
"NB" <ds...@ti.com> wrote in message news:3A24A243...@ti.com...
Michael Vastarelli
and Camaro's alike. They're very rare though, but they exist.
--
~Mike
'95 3.8L V6
2.5" Singular exhaust with a 2 chamber flowmaster
custom built ram air induction
Cobra OEM leather shifter knob
Boycotting excrementive motorcocks
"Chris Eaton" <chr...@austintx.net> wrote in message
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> If your modding a civic your a ricer, sorry.
> ce
>
> "NB" <ds...@ti.com> wrote in message news:3A24A243...@ti.com...
jim_d
<the3...@gate.net> wrote:
>don't forget an extra 10hp if the symbols are upside down! :)
About the same performance increase you're getting with that Cobra OEM
leather shift knob? ;-)
>
>--
>~Mike
>'95 3.8L V6
>2.5" Singular exhaust with a 2 chamber flowmaster
>custom built ram air induction
>Cobra OEM leather shifter knob
>Boycotting excrementive motorcocks
>
>"Zorak03" <zor...@aol.comic> wrote in message
>news:20001128225704...@ng-fx1.aol.com...
John
><<An Integra with a $3500 turbo kit and a catback is capable of 12s. A
>typical supercharged 5.0 with little other mods won't do much better
>than that.>>
>
>Don't compare apples to oranges. There is no doubt who the winner would be if
>a turbo Integra raced a turbo Mustang 5.0 (Incon preferibly) ;)
>
I think his point is that you can put the same amount of money into a
turbocharged import as you can a Mustang, and get similar results. A
Honda product isn't the best platform to start with, but there are
several cars which can be modified to perform as well or better than a
Mustang for the same or less money. A first generation DSM or a MR2
MkII are a couple of examples.
John
>Mite dust a stock Mustang? I have seen a Integra type-R with two bolt
>ons and it runs a 12.5 @ 114mph. This car is not even a drag car, the
>guy uses it for Scca Autocrossing. Yeah I'm pretty sure you can mod a
>Stang and kill the Integra, but you have to admit that it is pretty fast
>for two bolt ons. The bolt ons were a Jackson Supercharger($2,980) and
>some Nitto Drag Radials($150 each). That come to $3,280 witch ain't to
>bad. Although I have seen Stangs with $600 nitrous setups running
>12's. One more thing. I drive a Honda. What do all of yall think a
>ricer is. Just some punk kid that puts stickers on his car with fat
>seatbelts, and say Powered by ______? What about the guys who really do
>stuff to their motors, are these guys ricers? Thanks for the input.
>
>97hb
>
For anyone inclined to believe this crap, please follow this link to
Jackson Racing website to view a dyno printout for a Type R with the
blower: http://www.jacksonracing.com/pages/details/detailspage.html
By my calculations, power should be around 250 hp at the crank.
Hardly good enough for mid 12's.
Btw, I think a ricer is someone who makes ridiculous claims about how
fast his 4 cylinder front wheel drive Honda is.
Steven John Stronach
>About the same performance increase you're getting with that Cobra OEM
>leather shift knob? ;-)
You beat me to it Jim. You damn well beat me to it.
Sjs.
jp...@nachos.engr.ucdavis.edu
%%> Jackson Racing website to view a dyno printout for a Type R with the
%%> blower: http://www.jacksonracing.com/pages/details/detailspage.html
%%> By my calculations, power should be around 250 hp at the crank.
%%> Hardly good enough for mid 12's.
%%> Btw, I think a ricer is someone who makes ridiculous claims about how
%%> fast his 4 cylinder front wheel drive Honda is.
that is at 5.5 psi...215.5hp at wheel...for 1.8l 4 cylinder.
(the car only has 800 miles.)
how many people run at 5.5psi??
Zorak03
>and Camaro's alike. They're very rare though, but they exist.
but there is always a Mustang somewhere that can kill those civics
Scott Moseman
I can only help but imagine there is a reason
why Top Fuel dragsters are V8 and RWD. :-)
On 29 Nov 2000, Zorak03 wrote:
: >That's a cheap statement. I've seen Civics that
:
Ryan L.
and Camaro's alike. They're very rare though, but they exist.>>
But I'm sure you can't drive the Civic on the street. Last week at the track,
an orange Civic was trailered in and was totally stripped out, stock blacks
wheels and all. It had the 6-point roll cage and DRs on the front. It had a
special ram air hood on it for the supercharger or turbo im guessing. Anyway,
I was expecting this beast to be in the 11s. I only saw it run once and it ran
a 13.3. I couldn't believe it! This thing wasn't even street legal. What's
the deal?
Brad
bit, but 114mph with a wimpy Jackson supercharger... I'd have to see
that one myself.
Sam Ford wrote:
>
> That seems pretty far off to me. You're talking about 320 hp, from an engine
> that makes 190 hp stock, with only a supercharger. That's one effective
> supercharger. I don't know Hondas that well, but something seems fishy
>
> <<Mite dust a stock Mustang? I have seen a Integra type-R with two bolt
> ons and it runs a 12.5 @ 114mph. This car is not even a drag car, the
> guy uses it for Scca Autocrossing. Yeah I'm pretty sure you can mod a
> Stang and kill the Integra, but you have to admit that it is pretty fast
> for two bolt ons. The bolt ons were a Jackson Supercharger($2,980) and
Brad
>
> On 29 Nov 2000 05:21:23 GMT, bbi...@aol.comcom (Ryan L.) wrote:
>
> >typical supercharged 5.0 with little other mods won't do much better
> >than that.>>
> >
> >Don't compare apples to oranges. There is no doubt who the winner would be if
> >a turbo Integra raced a turbo Mustang 5.0 (Incon preferibly) ;)
> >
> turbocharged import as you can a Mustang, and get similar results. A
> Honda product isn't the best platform to start with, but there are
> several cars which can be modified to perform as well or better than a
> Mustang for the same or less money. A first generation DSM or a MR2
> MkII are a couple of examples.
And with an MR2, you get to save some cash by not needing suspension
mods! :P
Brad
>
> If your modding a civic your a ricer, sorry.
Even if that Civic kicks your car's ass?
Brad
> From what I have heard, the Type-R's respond fairly well to
> modifications. It seems unintuitive to me, since they are really
> maxed to start with.
They are pretty maxed compression-wise and with the cylinder walls and
things, but hp-wise, they really are like mass-produced race engines in
certain ways. Since the heads flow so well stock and the engines are so
efficient, they can put up some very good hp numbers (for that class of
vehicle and size of engine) with relatively small amounts of boost.
Brad
>
> I can only help but imagine there is a reason
> why Top Fuel dragsters are V8 and RWD. :-)
This stuff reminds me of Buddy Ingersoll's V6 turbo Buick that he
*tried* to compete with in NHRA and IHRA and a host of other little
racing bodies. I say *tried* to compete because they wouldn't let him.
At the time, mid-80's, the car was doing low 7s, was the quickest and
fastest stock-bodied car in NHRA history, the quickest and fastest V6 in
NHRA history, reset all the records in its class, and then was banned
from Pro Stock before it was allowed to compete in it like originally
intended.
He went to IHRA Pro Stock, raced against the almost-700 cubic-inch
monsters, started doing well, and then got banned there, too. Maybe Top
Fuel wouldn't be scared of a 268 cubic-inch V6, but everyone else at the
time certainly was.
Michael Vastarelli
I'd say I got 15-20hp from it
</sarcasm>
Seriously though, I like leather shifter knobs. Gotta problem with that?
They save all the good shit for the Cobras, it felt so good when I got my
paw on that sucker.
--
~Mike
'95 3.8L V6
2.5" Singular exhaust with a 2 chamber flowmaster
custom built ram air induction
Cobra OEM leather shifter knob
Boycotting excrementive motorcocks
<Jim D> wrote in message news:3a25736f....@NEWS.AZSTARNET.COM...
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:05:03 -0400, "Michael Vastarelli"
> <the3...@gate.net> wrote:
>
> >don't forget an extra 10hp if the symbols are upside down! :)
>
> About the same performance increase you're getting with that Cobra OEM
> leather shift knob? ;-)
>
> >
> >--
> >~Mike
> >'95 3.8L V6
> >2.5" Singular exhaust with a 2 chamber flowmaster
> >custom built ram air induction
> >Cobra OEM leather shifter knob
> >Boycotting excrementive motorcocks
> >
Randy Quanstrom
Dumped $10,000 into it, and got a mid-14 second quarter mile! I laughed my @ss
off!
Chris Eaton wrote:
> Because they just can't believe that their car is slow. They spent all that
> money on a big exhaust, what else CAN you do to make a car fast anyway?!
> They are thinking that the car will "fix itself" on the next run and be
> faster.
> ce
>
> "Zorak03" <zor...@aol.comic> wrote in message
> news:20001127233659...@ng-fj1.aol.com...
sh...@my-deja.com
jp...@nachos.engr.ucdavis.edu () wrote:
> that is at 5.5 psi...215.5hp at wheel...for 1.8l 4 cylinder.
> (the car only has 800 miles.)
>
> how many people run at 5.5psi??
When your pistons are so weak that anything over 5.5psi will crack them,
you run 5.5psi.
gri...@my-deja.com
> jp...@nachos.engr.ucdavis.edu () wrote:
> > that is at 5.5 psi...215.5hp at wheel...for 1.8l 4 cylinder.
> > (the car only has 800 miles.)
> >
> > how many people run at 5.5psi??
>
> When your pistons are so weak that anything over 5.5psi will crack
them,
> you run 5.5psi.
Or when the engine already starts out with a high compression ratio.
IIRC a Type R is running close to 11:1 CR. Combine that with a 8400
rpm redline and an engine not designed for supercharging and running a
high boost becomes a recipe for disaster. Everything I've heard is
that most Honda 4 cylinder VTECs can reliably handle 6-8 psi. As maxed
out as the Type R engine is to begin with you probably can't run too
high a boost on an otherwise stock engine.
You can get away with 24psi in your GSX (IIRC, that's what you say you
run) because your engine was designed with turbocharging in mind.
Mel
96 Integra GS-R
98 Prelude SH
Stephen
news:904jab$16hs$1...@news.gate.net...
> <sarcasm>
> I'd say I got 15-20hp from it
> </sarcasm>
>
> Seriously though, I like leather shifter knobs. Gotta problem with that?
> They save all the good shit for the Cobras, it felt so good when I got my
> paw on that sucker.
ROFL!
To think I take this for granted and think the stock shift knob blows.. lol.
What do you think of your stock brake handle and steering wheel???
stephen
1995 SVT Mooooooooo
ste...@ramfm.org
Sam Ford
Type R had such a high compression ratio. So basically 320 HP out of an
Integra Type R(and 12.5 ets @ 114 for that matter) are completely out of the
question with a blower and all else stock. It's funny how these stories get
blown out of proportion. That's bench racing for you
Sam Ford
'88 Thunderbird TC (18 psi boost)
'88 Mustang GT (not much positive vacuum)
John
>Or when the engine already starts out with a high compression ratio.
>IIRC a Type R is running close to 11:1 CR. Combine that with a 8400
>rpm redline and an engine not designed for supercharging and running a
>high boost becomes a recipe for disaster. Everything I've heard is
>that most Honda 4 cylinder VTECs can reliably handle 6-8 psi. As maxed
>out as the Type R engine is to begin with you probably can't run too
>high a boost on an otherwise stock engine.
>
>You can get away with 24psi in your GSX (IIRC, that's what you say you
>run) because your engine was designed with turbocharging in mind.
>
Also, boost pressure isn't always indicative of how much extra air is
actually being forced into the combustion chamber. The size of the
turbocharger also figures into the equation. With the GSX for
example, a T25 at 24psi won't blow nearly as much air as a Frank or
20G at 15 psi.
Michael Vastarelli
--
~Mike
'95 3.8L V6
2.5" Singular exhaust with a 2 chamber flowmaster
custom built ram air induction
Cobra OEM leather shifter knob
Boycotting excrementive motorcocks
"Stephen" <ste...@ramfm.org> wrote in message
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gri...@my-deja.com
> That's a very good point re: compression ratio vs. boost. I didn't
know the
> Type R had such a high compression ratio. So basically 320 HP out of
an
> Integra Type R(and 12.5 ets @ 114 for that matter) are completely out
of the
> question with a blower and all else stock.
Not saying the guy actually ran a 12.5 or not but I'm not sure it would
take 320 hp to get a Type R into the 12's. Another point about the
Type R is its weight. It only weighs 2600 pounds. You're not going to
need as much hp to push a Type R into the 12's as you would a heavier
Mustang. Especially if you were willing to strip even more weight out
of the car (I don't need no stinkin' rear seat).
Will Heckman
David Lyons wrote:
>
> In article <20001127233659...@ng-fj1.aol.com>,
> zor...@aol.comic (Zorak03) wrote:
> > After he just got burned, and they will do this many times,
> > seems to me some poeple never learn. Anyone know why ricers
> > feel the need to get dusted numourus times?
>
> The same reason Vice Perpetrator Algore wants to keep recounting the
> votes over and over again, changing the rules each time, until it comes
> out in his favor.
>
> Once the ricer "wins" one (maybe the 'Stang driver missed a shift,
> smoked 'em off the line, whatever), the ricer claims "victory" and goes
> and posts his "kill" on the internet.
>
> --
> David Lyons
Sam Ford
a 2700 lb car to a 114 mph trap speed. Granted it's a pretty generic
calculation but I just used it as a ballpark figure
Not saying the guy actually ran a 12.5 or not but I'm not sure it would
take 320 hp to get a Type R into the 12's. Another point about the
Type R is its weight. It only weighs 2600 pounds. You're not going to
need as much hp to push a Type R into the 12's as you would a heavier
Mustang. Especially if you were willing to strip even more weight out
of the car (I don't need no stinkin' rear seat).>>
Sam Ford
'88 Thunderbird TC
'86 Mustang GT
Dan Bender
> typical supercharged 5.0 with little other mods won't do much better
> than that.
Im gonna have to disagree big time. A Turbo Kit for the GS-R for 3500
dollars? Yeah that might be so, but its what, 6psi correct? We are talking
on a stock block of course. From the articles I have read, the tuners can
only get another 60-70hp out of the GS-R, and usually not even that much..
Without building the engine up, you cannot take a high compression, high
winding 4cyl engine like that and put lots of boost on it. The jackson
racing supercharger dyno charts has the GS-R AND Type R dynoing around 220hp
at about 8 grand. 12's? I don't think so. You just cannot run much boost
on those high compression engines, without doing other major engine work...
Hence, blowing the 3500 dollar figure out of the water...
I used to own a 97 GS-R, and it will take ALOT more than a 3500 turbo
kit and exhaust to be turning 12's.. The car is a high 15's car at BEST!
And VERY weak at anything below 6 grand.. My 99 GT feels like a rocketship
compared to the GS-R, and while you may say its only another 90 hp, its the
torque of the engine which made the difference, which the GS-R had NONE!
Hell, a turbo kit pushing 8psi on mt 99 GT 5spd will get me high 11's if I
am lucky. And we are talking over 500 crank HP..
I knew a guy on the local strip, had a genuine Type R with a genuine
jackson racing supercharger, exhaust all this crap, and I'm convinced he was
pretty nervous of my Bone Stock 99 GT. I even tried to bait him from a
roll in 2nd gear at about 35mph, and he wouldn't even try. Course I was
tackin about 3300-3500rpm's in 2nd gear, my favorite gear. :) I am
convinced even tho thats the best way he could of raced me, I still would of
pulled on him fairly easy. Now if we raced from a stoplight, I would of
destroyed him, as he had wheel hop and torque steer problems for one thing,
and second there was no way he was gonna be launching better than me. :) Its
not cause he didn't like to race either, cause he was racing people all
night.. Thing sounded aweful too, iicck.. Super big fart can exhaust, just
sounded plain AWEFUL! Glad I got rid of the GS-R, nice car, but not meant
as a drag car by any stretch of the imagination..
Dan
99 Black GT 5spd
13.79 @ 98.01
Bone Stock
1.810 Sec 60 ft Street Tires
Dan Bender
> mph. 114mph is really fast for a 12.5.
>
> And I can't imagine that the tiny Roots type Jackson Racing Supercharger
> would be all that efficient pushing the amount of boost needed to run
> 114mph.
>
> Josh Wingell
> '97 Eclipse GSX - 12....@107.51mph / 1.800s 60ft
> Best mph - 12....@110.07mph / 1.737s 60ft
> Car web page -> http://www.geocities.com/shapegsx/
Hes blowing smoke. Plain and simple.. Go to jackson racing's page, look
for yourself.. I have seen the same exact setup in person, not impressed at
all.. These honda drivers need a reality check..
Brad
> Im gonna have to disagree big time. A Turbo Kit for the GS-R for 3500
> dollars? Yeah that might be so, but its what, 6psi correct? We are talking
> on a stock block of course. From the articles I have read, the tuners can
> only get another 60-70hp out of the GS-R, and usually not even that much..
> Without building the engine up, you cannot take a high compression, high
> winding 4cyl engine like that and put lots of boost on it. The jackson
> racing supercharger dyno charts has the GS-R AND Type R dynoing around 220hp
> at about 8 grand. 12's? I don't think so. You just cannot run much boost
> on those high compression engines, without doing other major engine work...
> Hence, blowing the 3500 dollar figure out of the water...
Not the lame Jackson Racing supercharger. Turbo kits such as the
Drags. Integras have done 250hp to the wheels with those and an
exhaust. And this is at less than 10psi. Will they last 100k miles?
Hey, we were only talking about hp numbers. :)
> And VERY weak at anything below 6 grand.. My 99 GT feels like a rocketship
> compared to the GS-R, and while you may say its only another 90 hp, its the
> torque of the engine which made the difference, which the GS-R had NONE!
> Hell, a turbo kit pushing 8psi on mt 99 GT 5spd will get me high 11's if I
> am lucky. And we are talking over 500 crank HP..
I never said I like Integras more than Mustangs or that turboing an
Integra is better than turboing a Mustang. Merely that they are
capable, up to a point.
Dan Bender
> Integra is better than turboing a Mustang. Merely that they are
> capable, up to a point.
You said 12's, thats a pretty outrageous claim, turbo or no turbo,
supercharger or no supercharger.. That was my point..
Subic Sailor
allow Ricers to step up to them?
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Original Owner
Strawberry Red
'91 LX 5.0 Coupe
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Boycotting Excessive Motorsports
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"M.L." <mle...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> > learn. Anyone know why ricers feel the need to get dusted numourus
times?
>
> For the same reason people like you feel the need to complain about it?
>
>
>
>
SedanBoy
'91-ish Mustang GT into a race with my old Datsun. After a thorough
thrashing, I'm sure he'll think twice about assuming all imports are slow
:-).
Unfortunately it's RARE I get a Mustang guy to race my little import. It's a
rice burner, but not a Rice Boy ride (I have ONE sticker, and it has 1"
letter w/ my website), no fart tips, triplane rear wing, etc.
I say if you get a challenge, give him the thrill of losing at least once. I
LOVE finding the Hondaboyz with their "Kombat" kits, wings and fart tips and
annhilating them. Hey little rice-boy, takes more than an exhaust kit an 18"
wheels to run with the big dogs!
Dave Lum
www.datsuns.com
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Bill S.
Might thoughts are quite simple, if it does not make it go faster,
handle better, or stop faster, it does not belong on the car. Chrome
exhaust tips (ie: Fart cans) do not make the car go any faster, nor does
the addition of four foot high rear winds(ok, maybe at 125mph+, but
certainly not while sitting in rush hour traffic).......
Sincerely,
Bill S.
PS: Well put, hope you have a great holiday season.
SedanBoy
I feel the SAME. If it's not making your car faster, it's adding weight and
making it SLOWER.
You guys have a good, safe, and RICEBOY spankin' season too :-)
Dave Lum
www.datsuns.com
"Bill S." <bil...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Kathy and Erich Coiner
seats..............
The list is endless.
Erich
SedanBoy wrote in message ...
Bill S.
AC, we don't need no stinking AC (especially when it is 11 degrees
out)....Hell, we don't even need a top or a heater to go racing(A heavy
parka is always helpful)....As for passengers, I never race with one in
the car, it adds to much weight, and my rollbar is not set up for it :)
.......
Hope all is well with you and yours...have a safe & happy new year......
Sincerely,
Bill S.
NoOption5L
writes:
>Hey Erich,
> AC, we don't need no stinking AC (especially when it is 11 degrees
>out)....Hell, we don't even need a top or a heater to go racing(A heavy
>parka is always helpful)....As for passengers, I never race with one in
>the car, it adds to much weight, and my rollbar is not set up for it :)
:-)
I like you Bill.
Patrick
'93 Cobra - Best E.T. 13.44 / Best MPH 103.23
Former original owner - '87 5-liter, 5-speed LX
14.2 @ 98 stock - 13.8 @ 101 lightly modded
I'm not brand loyal. If it's fast, I like it.
Boycott Excessive Motorsports
Kathy and Erich Coiner
Bill S. wrote in message <3A43F474...@optonline.net>...
>Hey Erich,
>
> AC, we don't need no stinking AC (especially when it is 11 degrees
>out)...
Changes in lattitude, changes in attitude..... It was 80 here last Sunday,
This weekend it will be high 60's low 70's. When you get back in a closed
car after Christmas shopping it is nice to blast the AC for a few minutes to
pull the heat out. (Besides the manual says run the A/C regularly)
>Hope all is well with you and yours...have a safe & happy new year......
Thankyou for the thoughts. All is well here on the Left coast.
Keep the shiny side up,
Erich
nytebyte
<datsu...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Because you never know when you'll come across a fast one!! I sucked a
>'91-ish Mustang GT into a race with my old Datsun. After a thorough
>thrashing, I'm sure he'll think twice about assuming all imports are slow
>:-).
>
>Unfortunately it's RARE I get a Mustang guy to race my little import. It's a
>rice burner, but not a Rice Boy ride (I have ONE sticker, and it has 1"
>letter w/ my website), no fart tips, triplane rear wing, etc.
>
>I say if you get a challenge, give him the thrill of losing at least once. I
>LOVE finding the Hondaboyz with their "Kombat" kits, wings and fart tips and
>annhilating them. Hey little rice-boy, takes more than an exhaust kit an 18"
>wheels to run with the big dogs!
>
>Dave Lum
>www.datsuns.com
>
Hey Dave, I finally saw my first 510 in person. Someone around here
actually has one. Man is that one mean little machine! I was
surprised to see how well it handled. This guy was scooting around
corners at mind-boggling speeds. It could probably give a Porsche
911 a run for it's money. Those 510's are definitely rare little
gems. Do you still have that 300ZX engine in yours?
Jim.
SedanBoy
> Hey Dave, I finally saw my first 510 in person. Someone around here
> actually has one. Man is that one mean little machine! I was
> surprised to see how well it handled. This guy was scooting around
> corners at mind-boggling speeds. It could probably give a Porsche
> 911 a run for it's money. Those 510's are definitely rare little
> gems. Do you still have that 300ZX engine in yours?
>
> Jim.
Jim,
I sure do! Dyno'd it the other day = 187hp at the wheels, so about 230hp at
the crank. My 510 is heavy at 2450lbs, but it still handles OK, but the
4-cylinder ones handle VERY well, as they're another 250lb lighter.
Food for thought. At the dyno day, there was another 510 there, wit the
early 300ZX ('84-'89) SOHC 3L V6. Headers but otherwise stock. 135hp RWHP
(175 crank). My DOHC 3L is basically stock and was another 52hp on top of
that! Amazing what technology does.
Jim, you should go for a RIDE in that 510. The straight line speed won't
impress a Mustang guy, but the cornering will!!
Dave "don't slow for corners" Lum
www.datsuns.com
SedanBoy
pass so she could get the feel for it - a 14.6@95 was the result. I was stil
lfaster than the poor VW in the next lane :-P
.
But really, gymkhana is the event to have passeners in :-)
Dave Lum
www.datsuns.com
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