Air Filtration Test (K&N, Amsoil, paper, etc.)
Anthony S
on a K&N, paper, Amsoil filter and some others. The test is underway. You
can see the test method and results here.
http://www.mcagraphix.com/filter/test.htm
AnthonyS
BTW. The inspiration for the filtration method comes from Patrick aka
NoOption5L for those that know him.
Bill S.
tests on my own car showed a 7hp gain over the K&N with just the green
filter replacement...............To say I was amazed would be an
understatement...............
Bill S.
Keith
filter, when recently cleaned and oiled, will let through more dirt than a
dirty one. That's why it's best to leave a dirty K&N alone. They don't
look so pretty, but they are actually filtering better. Also, any idea what
particle size becomes insignificant if it gets into the engine? Added depth
to your test would include a particle size analysis on what makes it through
each filter, and, in a summary, the potential effects of those particles on
an engine. Obviously, to have a lab run those tests costs money, but it's
just an idea, or at least a disclaimer that could be laid out.
--
-Keith
'96GT 5Spd --> Broken, but coming back bigger and better!
"Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things."
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J Craig
other mods? I assume with a K&N filter you gain about 2-3hp, and by using a
green filter you gained an additional 7hp. Is that correct?
Jim
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Anthony S
Keith, personally I am considering using an electron microscope to try and
ascertain the particle size. The test filters are being saved in zip loc
bags for possible future analysis. I can probably get this testing done for
free if I search around. I might be able to find some university students
looking to use my work as a research project or something like that. In
other words, I'm working on the particle size thing, but don't get real
excited or expect anything on that front soon.
As for K&Ns working better when dirty..... That's always been their claim.
I'm sure its probably true. But if its dirty and filtering better, its
probably making less power too. I've always found this claim rather
disturbing too. It's one of the reasons behind the test as well. I'm
probably not going to run a K&N several thousand miles just to find out if
it filters better either if one of the other test filters is clearly
superior. If the K&N comes out on top, then yes, a higher mileage hence
dirtier test might be in the future.
AnthonyS
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Bill S.
had them put their money where their mouth was............No other
changes were made to the car other than a swap from a 3X14 inch K&N, to
a 3X14 Green Filter.....Also, that is 7hp to the rear wheels.........
Bill S.
Bill S.
J Craig
Jim
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Bill S.
C. Olofsson
is supposed to yield more than 3hp...but if you're saying what I think
you're saying... HOW MUCH for the Green?! :-p
Cindy
'96 laser red auto GTS
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Noon-Air
when they get dirty... but in the process they also have reduced airflow
effifiency. Seems to me that the name of the game is to come up with a
filtering system that not only stops the smallest particulates, but also
won't hinder airflow. more airflow = more horsepower, better filtering =
less abrasive particulates in the engine..... trick is to come up with a
happy medium.
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Bill S.
underneath) replica.............The green filter is a few points less
than the K&N filter...The company has been around the UK for many years,
and is now aggressively going after the US business.......Dealerships
are sporatic right now......Here in the northeast, your local keystone
supplied store should have them...............Midwest, your local
Blacksmith supplier should have them, and on the west coast, guess your
on your own :) .......
Bill S.
WindsorFox {SS}
OH but no! You aren't a scientist! You are not doing double blind
test, there's too much margarine for error!! And anything else the
disbelievers can come up with. BTW, I recomend useing the K&N spray oil
with the Amsoil or Edelbrock filters, that squeeze on crap is like honey.
--
"The frozen North will hatch a flightless bird, who will spread his
wings and dominate the Earth. He will cause an empire by the sea to
fall, to the astonishment and delight of all."
"Well I just tried Pepsi Blue for the first time and thought I would
share my thoughts. As far as the taste... I imagine this is exactly
what it would taste like if you dug up a week-old corpse and made
tea out of it..." Dr.Romulus
WindsorFox {SS}
> Don't forget the new "Green" Filter................Actually chassis dyno
> tests on my own car showed a 7hp gain over the K&N with just the green
> filter replacement...............To say I was amazed would be an
> understatement...............
>
>
> Bill S.
>
WindsorFox {SS}
> Bill, I have no idea what this "green filter" is.
>
> Keith, personally I am considering using an electron microscope to try and
> ascertain the particle size. The test filters are being saved in zip loc
> bags for possible future analysis. I can probably get this testing done for
> free if I search around. I might be able to find some university students
> looking to use my work as a research project or something like that. In
> other words, I'm working on the particle size thing, but don't get real
> excited or expect anything on that front soon.
>
> As for K&Ns working better when dirty..... That's always been their claim.
> I'm sure its probably true. But if its dirty and filtering better, its
> probably making less power too. I've always found this claim rather
> disturbing too. It's one of the reasons behind the test as well. I'm
> probably not going to run a K&N several thousand miles just to find out if
> it filters better either if one of the other test filters is clearly
> superior. If the K&N comes out on top, then yes, a higher mileage hence
> dirtier test might be in the future.
>
> AnthonyS
>
>
WindsorFox {SS}
> Bill, I have no idea what this "green filter" is.
>
> Keith, personally I am considering using an electron microscope to try and
> ascertain the particle size. The test filters are being saved in zip loc
> bags for possible future analysis. I can probably get this testing done for
> free if I search around. I might be able to find some university students
> looking to use my work as a research project or something like that. In
> other words, I'm working on the particle size thing, but don't get real
> excited or expect anything on that front soon.
>
> As for K&Ns working better when dirty..... That's always been their claim.
> I'm sure its probably true. But if its dirty and filtering better, its
> probably making less power too. I've always found this claim rather
> disturbing too. It's one of the reasons behind the test as well. I'm
> probably not going to run a K&N several thousand miles just to find out if
> it filters better either if one of the other test filters is clearly
> superior. If the K&N comes out on top, then yes, a higher mileage hence
> dirtier test might be in the future.
>
> AnthonyS
Oh, and please tell me about your experience with the Amsoil filter
oil. Details please! lol
Noon-Air
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Why not just go to the grocery store and buy a can of "Pam" works just as
well and a whole lot cheaper
Anthony S
I personally didn't enjoy the use of the Amsoil stuff, but I used it. I do
have spray on stuff for the other foam air filters as that is what they
recommend. Heaven forbid some Amsoil croanie comes after me for not using
their oil.... Those guys can be scary.
AnthonyS
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Gerry
and Thunderbird are only choices I saw.
What am I missing???
Gerry
Ft Collins, Co.
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Troy the Troll
>
> AnthonyS
Yeah, and retarded as well.
Michael Bolden-King
--
Mike King
Black 2000 Spring Feature GT
Steeda Tri-Ax and K&N
"Member Since 86"
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WindsorFox {SS}
Works as well as which? I'll let you try that...
--
WindsorFox {SS}
> Whatever :rolleyes:
>
> I personally didn't enjoy the use of the Amsoil stuff, but I used it. I do
> have spray on stuff for the other foam air filters as that is what they
> recommend. Heaven forbid some Amsoil croanie comes after me for not using
> their oil.... Those guys can be scary.
>
> AnthonyS
>
Yeah, I'm in an IM with one now who may be peering in at your
results. He says there are SAE test that proove the foam is better
already, so I sort of expect that to come out in your tests too. I must
say, you really need to try to get one of those green things to see how
it fares. I found there is a local place here that is listed as a
dealer, soi am going to call tomarrow and see if they have one or have
to order it and what the price is. The list price for my 5.0 is $62
<gasp> but I found the list for the K&N is the same and is dicounted to
about $40, with the Amsoil at $40. I didn't check Edelbrock.
WindsorFox {SS}
> Hum.... don't see one even listed on the WEB site for a 2003 Mustang- Trucks
> and Thunderbird are only choices I saw.
>
> What am I missing???
>
> Gerry
> Ft Collins, Co.
>
>
Look in the cone section. The cone shaped filters are more universal
than the panel type.
WindsorFox {SS}
> Same filter should fit all the '96+ GT's, I'm using the K&N that I bought for my '98.
> --
>
> Mike King
> Black 2000 Spring Feature GT
> Steeda Tri-Ax and K&N
> "Member Since 86"
>
They also have a K&N cross section
WindsorFox {SS}
You think maybe he means like someone who owns a car they hate and
instead of getting rid of it and moving on, he bothers other people
insessantly who really don't give a flaming rats ass about his silly
little personal problems in the first place?? HEhehe...
Noon-Air
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Its just a light vegetable oil...it works very well thanx and its a lot
cheaper than the regular commercial filter sprays. I have even tried
commercial a/c filter sprays from my HVAC (Heating, Ventilation, and Air
Conditioning) wholesale supply house. You see the the general idea is to put
a light oil film on the filter to help catch and trap dust and particulates.
Why pay 10 or 12 bux for the same basic thing you can get from the grocery
for 2 bux??
If you really have doubts, check the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) for
name brand expensive stuff, then check it for the cheap stuff. The MSDS says
what chemicals are in it and what the quanities of each chemical is.
WindsorFox {SS}
Oooook. I bought 5 tall cans of K&N spray form Jegs' on sale for $5
each several years ago
--
Anthony S
best. I'll find out the hard way.
There are no green dealers on the West Coast, so I'll have to get it some
other way.
AnthonyS
Did the guy try and tell you that Amsoil invented synthetic oil? If so, he
is a liar and everything else he said should be treated accordingly.
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Noon-Air
> >
> > Its just a light vegetable oil...it works very well thanx and its a lot
> > cheaper than the regular commercial filter sprays. I have even tried
> > commercial a/c filter sprays from my HVAC (Heating, Ventilation, and Air
> > Conditioning) wholesale supply house. You see the the general idea is to
put
> > a light oil film on the filter to help catch and trap dust and
particulates.
> > Why pay 10 or 12 bux for the same basic thing you can get from the
grocery
> > for 2 bux??
> >
> > If you really have doubts, check the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet)
for
> > name brand expensive stuff, then check it for the cheap stuff. The MSDS
says
> > what chemicals are in it and what the quanities of each chemical is.
> >
>
> Oooook. I bought 5 tall cans of K&N spray form Jegs' on sale for $5
> each several years ago
If it is such a good product, it kinda makes one wonder why it was "on
sale"...why were they trying to get rid of it so cheap?? What was *wrong*
with it?? How long had it sat on the shelf before they marked the price down
to get rid of it??
Keith
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<snip>
>
> Its just a light vegetable oil...it works very well thanx and its a lot
> cheaper than the regular commercial filter sprays. I have even tried
> commercial a/c filter sprays from my HVAC (Heating, Ventilation, and Air
> Conditioning) wholesale supply house. You see the the general idea is to
put
> a light oil film on the filter to help catch and trap dust and
particulates.
> Why pay 10 or 12 bux for the same basic thing you can get from the grocery
> for 2 bux??
>
> If you really have doubts, check the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) for
> name brand expensive stuff, then check it for the cheap stuff. The MSDS
says
> what chemicals are in it and what the quanities of each chemical is.
I clean the filter once every couple of years. The one can of oil I have
will last more than six years. I can afford the cost of a can of the
CORRECT oil (which has a dye so you can see where you've sprayed) at $5,
$12, or even $20, so why would I screw around with cooking oil? If you're
cleaning your filter so much, you're doing more harm than good. By design,
they should be dirty to work best.
WindsorFox {SS}
Does it matter? It's what K&N recomends, AND it was the same price or
less than "Pam".
WindsorFox {SS}
> I contacted greenfilters today. We'll see. I'm not saying what filter is
> best. I'll find out the hard way.
>
> There are no green dealers on the West Coast, so I'll have to get it some
> other way.
>
> AnthonyS
>
> Did the guy try and tell you that Amsoil invented synthetic oil? If so, he
> is a liar and everything else he said should be treated accordingly.
>
Who, The guy I was talking to? This guy I know knows his stuff about
oil and such, even though he is a <gasp> Camaro owner. Those of us who
know enough to be recomending anything to someone know Amsoil did not
invent sythetic oil, they were the fist to can a synthetic oil
formulated for use in passenger cars...
Anthony S
assume they started with their own original oil. No pyramid sales scheme
starts with that sort of cashflow and financial backing. Show me one! They
started by canning MIL Spec synthetic oils and selling them to people to use
in their cars.
AnthonyS
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WindsorFox {SS}
> They didn't even can a synthetic oil forumlated for use in cars. That would
> assume they started with their own original oil. No pyramid sales scheme
> starts with that sort of cashflow and financial backing. Show me one! They
> started by canning MIL Spec synthetic oils and selling them to people to use
> in their cars.
>
> AnthonyS
>
He didn't start with a pyramid sales scheme, the research came first....
" In 1972, after an intense period of research and development, Al
Amatuzio introduced the first synthetic motor oil in the world to exceed
API automobile service requirements."
Which was yes, probably a MIL spec synthetic with detergents added.
"The next year, Amatuzio developed a marketing plan to get his
innovative but still unknown product to customers."
In 1973 the pyramid wasn't thought of as so bad, kind of like aluminum
wire in your house. Are they imbellishing the History? Who knows, I'm
not really concerned with that or the market plan. Reguardless, it's the
best substance I have found for me to use in my car and it continues to
remove the CRAP left behind the Castrol Syntec in my engine. Ugh I
should make Castrol pay for a piece by piece cleaning from the use of
their sludge.
Anthony S
Castrol went to court and won the right to use the word sythetic on their
partially synthetic oil.
Amsoil isn't the best IMO. I find them to be pretty dishonest for a large
part. A lot of their current oil isn't API certified although you quoted
that it exceeded API standards in '72. They tell you that they will
warranty your car if the dealer won't. Careful reading of their warranty
will show you that it is truely worthless. Amsoil didn't conduct careful
research back when they started. The military did. Synthetic oils had been
around almost 100 years before Amsoil came along. They do lots of research
and testing now, but I'm not so sure any of it is careful. I have my own
theory on why their product is always best in their tests. It's sort of
obvious isn't it? Anyway, we'll see how their air filter stacks up for
real. Manometers, and pictures don't lie. Most Amsoil dealers do.
AnthonyS
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