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how useful is that spoiler on my 96 GT vert?

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Scotter

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Apr 23, 2005, 12:49:43 AM4/23/05
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OK...
Today I backed into a tree and caused some damage to my rear spoiler.
I noticed when I open my trunk there are two *visible* screws in the trunk
lid that appear to be all that holds on the spoiler. Does anyone know if
that is true?
Next question: At what speeds do you think that spoiler is actually useful,
if any?
I'm really not tied to keeping that thing or replacing it.
Finally, if I remove those screws and the spoiler, what do I do about the
two holes? Ideas?
Thanks!
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Jim Warman

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Apr 23, 2005, 3:32:13 AM4/23/05
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The spoiler probably starts to offer it's benefits at speeds above 140 mph
(it's window dressing, young fellow.... ). How on earth do you back into a
tree??? Somebody sneeak up and put it there when you weren't looking?

Sarcasm aside.... why not check the wreckers for a replacement spoiler?

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Scott Van Nest

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Apr 23, 2005, 7:22:46 AM4/23/05
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If I recall correctly, I think i read that on a Cobra it actually lost a
couple MPH on the top end due to the spoiler. they took it off and gained 1
or 2 MPH. Google the archives.

Scott
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Howard Nelson

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Apr 23, 2005, 12:14:23 PM4/23/05
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> If I recall correctly, I think i read that on a Cobra it actually lost a
> couple MPH on the top end due to the spoiler. they took it off and gained
1
> or 2 MPH. Google the archives.

Guess that explains why there isn't a spoiler on the M3. :)

Howard
1989 5.0lx vert


RT

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Apr 23, 2005, 5:01:25 PM4/23/05
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It actually does have an option for a tiny lip.

RT

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Apr 23, 2005, 5:01:42 PM4/23/05
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 06:22:46 -0500, "Scott Van Nest" <Joh...@cox.net>
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>If I recall correctly, I think i read that on a Cobra it actually lost a
>couple MPH on the top end due to the spoiler. they took it off and gained 1
>or 2 MPH. Google the archives.

more downforce comes at a cost.

snm...@mojo.com

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Apr 23, 2005, 5:49:40 PM4/23/05
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lmfao
why dont ya buy 2 spoilers
you will go 2 times as fast

focktard
hurc ast

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SVTKate

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Apr 23, 2005, 6:46:09 PM4/23/05
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Hey Scott!
Did you get that Cobra?
Never heard back from you.


Kate


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Scotter

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Apr 23, 2005, 8:29:47 PM4/23/05
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Cobra? Different Scott, I think.
You wanted to see pics of my new interior, which I have not gotten yet but
will!

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SVTKate

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Apr 23, 2005, 9:50:12 PM4/23/05
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Yup Scotter, it was Van Nest I was hollering at.

And those photos,,, why not?
Kate

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SVTKate

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Apr 23, 2005, 9:52:06 PM4/23/05
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I think it will be more trouble to fill the holes than it will to just hunt
down another one.

How did you manage to damage the spoiler, and not the deck lid?

What color is your car?

Kate

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Scotter

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Apr 24, 2005, 10:12:30 AM4/24/05
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Heh still didn't get around to buying that new digital camera but I will.
Really :)
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Scotter

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Apr 24, 2005, 10:20:03 AM4/24/05
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Car is white.
I backed into a parking spot where a tree trunk that curves hangs out.
The curve is the reason why the spoiler was damaged but not anything else.
To me this became an opportunity to get rid of the spoiler altogether.
For me, it is an extra thing to scrub (and scrub under) when I wash the car.
Yeah, some people think it looks cool and it definitely makes the car look
sportier but what seals the deal for me is that the damn thing adds little
or no *function* at the speeds I drive (<100).
I'm looking forward to having a nice, clean back deck! To me, elegance
usually involves "less is more."

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96 GT vert
3.73 gears and few other things.
Planning on doing the headswap soon if anyone has advice


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Scott Van Nest

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Apr 24, 2005, 12:05:26 PM4/24/05
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I did not. It was gone already.

Scott


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SVTKate

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Apr 24, 2005, 12:42:20 PM4/24/05
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Ahh..
Ok.
If you like it plain, then more power to ya.

Personally, I don't like the bare naked look. I don't care if it provides
any other function than to look pretty, I won't leave home without it LOL

You MAY be able to find a deck lid, sans spoiler holes, in the right color
if you look hard enough. Luckily your car is white, so it should be a
relatively easy match.

Kate

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NoOpt...@aol.com

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Apr 24, 2005, 7:19:50 PM4/24/05
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Scotter wrote:

> Car is white.
> I backed into a parking spot where a tree trunk that curves hangs
out.
> The curve is the reason why the spoiler was damaged but not anything
else.
> To me this became an opportunity to get rid of the spoiler
altogether.
> For me, it is an extra thing to scrub (and scrub under) when I wash
the car.
> Yeah, some people think it looks cool and it definitely makes the car
look
> sportier but what seals the deal for me is that the damn thing adds
little
> or no *function* at the speeds I drive (<100).
> I'm looking forward to having a nice, clean back deck! To me,
elegance
> usually involves "less is more."

> Scotter,


> 96 GT vert
> 3.73 gears and few other things.
> Planning on doing the headswap soon if anyone has advice

I'm with you, Scotter. I especially like the SN-95 body without the
rear spoiler. Their already high tail-end makes a rear spoiler look
like it's perched up too high.

Patrick
'93 Cobra (wishing its spoiler was optional.)

Scotter

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Apr 24, 2005, 7:52:16 PM4/24/05
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Yeah when the dealer told me a new trunk lid, sans-spoiler was something
like $750, I figured that was too expensive and even the other option of the
cost of my time to find something used so I decided to just wait until
Monday morning and go visit a body shop where they will fill in the holes.
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Scotter

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Apr 24, 2005, 7:56:33 PM4/24/05
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Thanks for the vote of confidence, Patrick!
It gives ME more confidence in how my car will look without the spoiler.
And I'm realizing two other things that appeal to me when I think about
no-spoiler:
(a) car becomes that much more of a "sleeper"; and
(b) car becomes that much more unique/mine
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SVTKate

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Apr 24, 2005, 10:06:20 PM4/24/05
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Think USED parts Scott....
already painted, just take one off, put the other one on.


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Scotter

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Apr 24, 2005, 11:48:47 PM4/24/05
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Let me put it this way:

If my time is worth $100/hour and I spend 1.0 hours finding (assuming I find
one local) and obtaining a used trunk lid, that is $100 and then add in the
price of the lid, let's say $200. That's $300. If not local, then (a) add
$50 for shipping; and (b) add x days wait for shipping. TOTAL: ~ $300 to
$350

- VS -

Taking my car to a nearby body shop (1.0 hrs of my time [most of which is
"wait time" which means I can be on my phone or just reading/relaxing as
opposed to "work time" for above scenario of searching] = $100/2 = $50) plus
paying $75 to $100 for the bodywork. TOTAL $125 to $150.

Finally, with a used one from a different car, the chance exists for either
(a) slight color mismatch due to fading; and/or (b) scratches/dings and wow
if it was one shipped then that means even more of my time to ship it back
and find another one.

There you go, the thought processes of a programmer!
Same reason I don't change my own oil or do my own tune-ups. I'd rather
spend my free time having sex.
:)
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SVTKate

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Apr 25, 2005, 6:51:21 AM4/25/05
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"Scotter" <sp...@spam.com> wrote in message ...

| Let me put it this way:
|
| If my time is worth $100/hour and I spend 1.0 hours finding (assuming I
find
| one local) and obtaining a used trunk lid, that is $100 and then add in
the
| price of the lid, let's say $200. That's $300. If not local, then (a) add
| $50 for shipping; and (b) add x days wait for shipping. TOTAL: ~ $300 to
| $350
|
| - VS -
|
| Taking my car to a nearby body shop (1.0 hrs of my time [most of which is
| "wait time" which means I can be on my phone or just reading/relaxing as
| opposed to "work time" for above scenario of searching] = $100/2 = $50)
plus
| paying $75 to $100 for the bodywork. TOTAL $125 to $150.


Uh huh... and what fantasy world did you pull these figures from?
Not to mention that they will have your car two to five days to do the job.

|
| Finally, with a used one from a different car, the chance exists for
either
| (a) slight color mismatch due to fading; and/or (b) scratches/dings and
wow
| if it was one shipped then that means even more of my time to ship it back
| and find another one.

Hey, it was just a thought, and if you found one at a quality wrecking yard,
something you can do on the phone, or a good wrecker can run a search for
you. There IS a chance the color may be off just a touch
B-U-T

There is also that chance if they paint it, and the possibility that in
order to make the paint match they might have to blend into the rear quarter
panels because your paint may have aged or yrllowed a bit.
A butt match may not match at all.


|
| There you go, the thought processes of a programmer!

Uh huh... definitely not a body shop tech, but not a dummy either.

| Same reason I don't change my own oil or do my own tune-ups. I'd rather
| spend my free time having sex.

Wouldn't we all!

Scotter

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Apr 25, 2005, 9:39:37 AM4/25/05
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The holes are about the size of a nickle.
I'll let you know how much time/money the body shop takes to fill in four
nickle-size holes.
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WraithCobra

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Apr 25, 2005, 6:31:11 PM4/25/05
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A spoiler does not create down force, it "spoils lift" which is created by
the body itself. Nothing's free, spoiling aerodynamic lift also creates
drag. It's a trade off, remove the undesired lift which will effect handling
or spoil that lift and live with a little extra drag. Spoilers are effective
to a degree at any speed, just as the lift the body creates varies at
different speeds including those legal on the highway. Will you notice a
difference on the highway? Doubt it. If I would have ordered my Cobra it
would have had the spoiler delete option.
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Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe
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WraithCobra

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Apr 25, 2005, 6:41:07 PM4/25/05
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Also, other people have removed spoilers and used headless bolts to fill the
holes. They usually grind the lettering down, paint them body color then use
a thin plastic or rubber washer to seal water out of the trunk. I think
others have used a plastic screw hole cover, painted body color then glued
in, found in a mechanical parts catalog.

Scotter

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Apr 25, 2005, 11:28:32 PM4/25/05
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Thanks!
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SVTKate

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| Also, other people have removed spoilers and used headless bolts to fill
the
| holes. They usually grind the lettering down, paint them body color then
use
| a thin plastic or rubber washer to seal water out of the trunk. I think
| others have used a plastic screw hole cover, painted body color then glued
| in, found in a mechanical parts catalog.
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| Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe

Uh uh uh.. yup... I done did it muhself in the back yard with a doggone
paint can.... hu hu huh...

Seriously, I have heard of people doing stuff like this to their cars. WTF
are they thinking???

Hokey hokey hokey...

Kate

WraithCobra

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Apr 26, 2005, 3:12:38 PM4/26/05
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The pics I've seen of a Terminator Cobra using one of these methods doesn't
look bad at all. I'll see if I can find one of the pics and link it. The
plastic screw hole covers also come in handy for hiding the holes in the
front bumper when you remove the front plate.

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Scotter

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Apr 26, 2005, 3:50:37 PM4/26/05
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Thanks for all the great info, Mike!
Where would you recommend buying these items?
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japhar81

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Apr 26, 2005, 3:58:49 PM4/26/05
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Paint from ford, a touchup bottle is ~$10. Headless bolts -- the home depot
near me has em, if not, any auto parts store will, pep boys, etc.

Worst case, go to your friendly neighborhood shop and buy a handfull for
$20.

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SVTKate

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Apr 26, 2005, 7:24:46 PM4/26/05
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Hey, whatever blows your dress up.

Kate

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