5 POINT SLOW!!!
da bomb
I tried being nice about putting down all of your weak ass mustangs.
but now i just have to trash em. They are one of the finest piece of
shit production cars ford has ever made. For the type of displacement
they have, horsepower is weak. That's why you all dump your money in
all of the performance upgrades on the market. When in fact if you just
saved all of that money you piss into your car maybe you would be able
toget a car that comes stock with the kind of power you all are looking
for.300zx twin turbo, supra, or maybe a nice wide track because in the
latest tests they have been pissing all over the new and improved 4
point shit liters. If what I have just said bothers you then tough shit
I know i will get the response of about at least ten of you idiots who
are going to do nothing but insult me. This is because you know I am
right and have no type of facts that can defend your little shitboxes.
And you know your cars are shit, thats why you all huddle in this group
and talk to each other about your big performance upgrades that finally
put your car over 300hp. WOW 300 horses im impressed HAHAHA. Thats a
fucking joke. Trash rice burners all you want---you wouldn't be doin it
if you weren't jealous and couldn't afford one. Theres alot of you in
here making fun of civics and and little cars like that. but it's rare
that one of you has the balls to make fun of a supra, 300zx,M3,etc. WOW
i am so impressed by the people in this group who can beat a four
cylinder. you must be so proud of yourselfs! WAKE UP AND BUY A
REAL CAR ASSHOLES
ryan
da bomb wrote in message <6fa0q6$ikn$1...@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net>...
> I tried being nice about putting down all of your weak ass mustangs.
I love trolls from webtv. It's just so *right*, you know? I mean, the
trolls we get from real, actual, internet accounts make you stop and think,
'What is this guy thinking, they're obviously smart enough to figure out how
to use a computer, why the need to spout garbage for garbages sake?' But
trolls from webtv, aah, they are nice, no thinking involved, you see 'webtv'
there's no wondering. This guy's a complete git.
> WAKE UP AND BUY A REAL CAR ASSHOLES
I'll bet you $1,000,000 that my computer will kick your television's ass.
ryan
ASmall9494
>From: dabo...@webtv.net (da bomb)
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>I tried being nice about putting down all of your weak ass mustangs.
>REAL CAR ASSHOLES
Well, well, well; look whos back its da bitch from web tv. I'll trash any rice
box you can find. I don't like 'em at all. First off the Supra is a $40K car
and my Cobra was only a $27K car. You care to wager how bad I could crush a
Supra with the extra $13K? I didn't think so. Now for the 300ZX; they are
slow considering how much they cost. A stock Cobra already beats a stock 300
ZX, and hell Nissan doesn't make 'em anymore anyway. There must be a reason
for that. An M3; theres another overpriced car that I can trash. I can't wait
till you buy one; so I can run your ass off in the ditch. BTW, da bitch, the
M3 is built by a German not a jap auto maker. Its funny that you think 300 hp
is a big deal. I don't; thats what Cobras and the new F-bodies make stock
naturally aspirated. Is there any doubt that a Cobra or new F-body with a
supercharger will utterly destroy any car you'd find cool. No; no doubt at
all. There is no car sold outside of this country that offers performance per
dollar that can be had with a mustang or f-body. So you can argue until hell
freezes over about it, but its still true. BTW, no one here is bashing rice
boxes as much as we are bashing you. You're a rude, abrasive, idiotic, foul
smelling, shit eating, dead animal fucking troll. Now go away.
riored97cobra#301(may change in Oct)
TBA #2
All things are never equal !!!!!!!
Brian Hepler
Hear ye! Hear ye! dabo...@webtv.net (da bomb) proclaimed:
>I tried being nice about putting down all of your weak ass mustangs.
<snip the "web-tv interferes with my brain" post>
Come one everyone, sing along!
"Troll, troll, troll your post
Gently down the (data) stream...
Quietly, quietly, quietly, quietly;
Mom might read the screen....
Remember to get one of those "soft touch" keyboards so your parents
don't hear you typing late at night!
Brian
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Ty85gris
>From: dabo...@webtv.net (da bomb)
Hey, even an AOLer can make fun of Web TV!!
>I tried being nice about putting down all of your weak ass mustangs.
>but now i just have to trash em.
Oh please do.
>They are one of the finest piece of
>shit production cars ford has ever made.
Is that some kind of male thing where you swear at your friends and call it
bonding?
>For the type of displacement
>they have, horsepower is weak. That's why you all dump your money in
>all of the performance upgrades on the market.
Now now, all of the upgrades made wouldn't fit on one car. Be
reasonable.
>. When in fact if you just
>saved all of that money you piss into your car maybe you would be able
>toget a car that comes stock with the kind of power you all are looking
>for
Not even a McLaren<sp> comes with *enough* power. A good NOS kit would wake
that thing right on up!!
>.300zx twin turbo, supra, or maybe a nice wide track
And here I thought you were talking about real cars. I know this mid-80's
Cutlass that will kill any of those cars, and only the Supra will out handle
it.
> If what I have just said bothers you then tough shit
>I know i will get the response of about at least ten of you idiots who
>are going to do nothing but insult me.
Nah, its much more fun to ridicule you.
>This is because you know I am
>right and have no type of facts that can defend your little shitboxes.
Just timeslips.
>And you know your cars are shit, thats why you all huddle in this group
>and talk to each other about your big performance upgrades that finally
>put your car over 300hp. WOW 300 horses im impressed HAHAHA.
Why? What do you have that comes close? I run about that through my '69's
plate.
>Thats a
>fucking joke
OH!!! Ok, for a minute there you had me going. So, what do you drive?
> Trash rice burners all you want--
Thank you for the permission.
>-you wouldn't be doin it
>if you weren't jealous and couldn't afford one
I have more invested in my drivetrain than a new Civic costs. I guess I
might be able to afford one or two rice boxes.
>Theres alot of you in
>here making fun of civics and and little cars like that.
Not unless their owners are stupid enough to think a civic is fast.
>but it's rare
>that one of you has the balls to make fun of a supra, 300zx,M3,etc
Um, I have no balls, and I make fun of 300's all the time. I like the BMW's,
but they aren't fast. I really like the Supra's, though. If it had a trunk
and could actually hold a real person in the back seat I would get one. Till
then, Ill just be content with outrunning them.
>WOW
>i am so impressed by the people in this group who can beat a four
>cylinder.
That would be another of your jokes, right?
> you must be so proud of yourselfs!
And prouder still that I can pluralize collective pronouns!
> WAKE UP AND BUY A
>REAL CAR ASSHOLES
I own two. You don't have to rev them up on the carpet or anything like
yours, either!!
TPA #69
Emily
'85 Cutlass 383, 700, 3.70 posi, Global West Suspension, NOS cheater
12.60's on the engine
11.34 on NOS
'69 Camaro 421sb, 1200 ATI @ 13 psi, intercooled, Big Shot plate, autocross
suspension
Oodleoff
HAHAHAHA, what a boner!!
By the way I'll put my Cobra against any Jap car made, period.
Steve
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:22:30 -0500, dabo...@webtv.net (da bomb)
wrote:
Just think, with webtv on the scene, AOL will soon
be considered a "respectable" ISP!
-Steve
'93 Cobra #1983
SEEverist
dawomb64 proved that the best part of him ended up running down his mothers leg
by proclaiming:
>When in fact if you just
>saved all of that money you piss into your car maybe you would be able
>toget a car that comes stock with the kind of power you all are looking
>for.300zx twin turbo, supra, or maybe a nice wide track because in the
>latest tests they have been pissing all over the new and improved 4
>point shit liters.
You are truly an idiot. First of all, your title deals with 5.0's, not 4.6's.
Pull your head out of your ass for a moment to figure out what the hell it is
your talking about. What are these latest tests? You know nothing of what you
speak, and probably have never been in anything other than the family station
wagon. By the way, you may not recognize your mother, me and the boys shave
the sperm-burping gutter slut's back after we were through with her last night.
You do seem to be fond of the word piss though. You've used it twice here.
But, little children are always fond of their naughty parts, now aren't they.
How can you trash a car without anything to back up your claims. You're a
Troll, and a bad one at best.
> Trash rice burners all you want---you wouldn't be doin it
>if you weren't jealous and couldn't afford one.
OK, thumbdick, who the hell would want to spend $40,000 on a piece of rice that
can't keep up with a car for under $10,000? Plus, in that $10,000, I have
enough left over to pay your momma to suck start my car from the tailpipe.
Now that's entertainment.
>Theres alot of you in
>here making fun of civics and and little cars like that. but it's rare
>that one of you has the balls to make fun of a supra, 300zx,M3,etc.
Maybe that's because the people driving those cars actually have lives, jobs,
etc.. and don't go around running around spending mommy and daddy's money to by
sticker's of the letter "R." The people who seem to buy these overpriced cars,
seldom have a clue as how the hell to drive them. Plus, they're so overpriced
to insure, they're afraid that they may not be able to afford the premium if
they get a ticket. Basically, these guys aren't at the track like the
rice-boys who have no clue as to how to race their cars, and no idea as to what
the hell drag strip etiquette is, you bloody vagina fart, don't we all wish
your mother swallowed now, I guess she didn't love him.
>WAKE UP AND BUY A
>REAL CAR ASSHOLES
IN TRUE CAOLPS LOCK FORM: SUCK A BLOODY TAMPON!
Steve
The Only Substitute For Cubic Inches Is Cubic Dollar$
TBA # 5.0
ICU
> da bomb wrote:
SNIP the crap.
Troll. Just goes to show even stupid people without a computer can
spread their ignorance worldwide.
LeAnne Davis
GoAT <--- BTW, that means Go Away Troll
da bomb wrote:
>
> I tried being nice about putting down all of your weak ass mustangs.
> but now i just have to trash em. They are one of the finest piece of
> shit production cars ford has ever made.
you're obviously well acquainted with excrement
> Trash rice burners all you want---you wouldn't be doin it
> if you weren't jealous and couldn't afford one.
real car enthusiasts do not make fun of any manufacturer's products, well,
except for Yugo
How do you double the value of a Yugo?
Fill the gas tank
> Theres alot of you in here making fun of civics and and little cars
> like that.
yeah, r-i-i-i-ight, you must be reading this newsgroup while partaking in
something not quite legal 'cause the only ones I see trashing other cars are the
trolls like you....
Now, GoAT....find some other sandbox to dump your excrement in...
LeAnne
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Steve wrote:
>
> Snipped the drivel that dabo...@webtv.net (da bomb) wrote
>
> Just think, with webtv on the scene, AOL will soon
> be considered a "respectable" ISP!
not as long as they give out those frisbies for a free month....
L
Lamari, Matthew
ASmall9494 wrote:
>
> slow considering how much they cost. A stock Cobra already beats a stock 300
> ZX, and hell Nissan doesn't make 'em anymore anyway. There must be a reason
> for that. An M3; theres another overpriced car that I can trash. I can't wait
All the jap "performance" cars (i.e. jap cars with rear wheel drive)
that have been pulled are now right hand drive only for
Jap/Australian/NZ markets. They're made, you just don't get'em (pity).
> till you buy one; so I can run your ass off in the ditch. BTW, da bitch, the
> M3 is built by a German not a jap auto maker. Its funny that you think 300 hp
> is a big deal. I don't; thats what Cobras and the new F-bodies make stock
> naturally aspirated. Is there any doubt that a Cobra or new F-body with a
> supercharger will utterly destroy any car you'd find cool. No; no doubt at
Here here; although I'm biased towards the GM's current offering vs.
Mustang bang for the buck, either bang for the buck trounces anything
else, to the Mustang's credit, there doesn't seem to be a limit to how
nuts people will take the 5.0
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J DOG692
O.k. jackass first of all every one of those cars you mentioned costs over
35,000 dollars. Find a Jap chung china car for the price that I bought My BONE
STOCK 5.0 and see if it can beat me. $6000. For the price of the cars you named
you could buy an American car that would piss all over each and every one of
those Japanese farters you mentioned. like the cobra R
John Lenko
Tee hee... I just forwarded his 'lovely' message to ab...@corp.webtv.net....
Hope they (at least) respond to me... Love to hear what they say... 8)
jOHN.
ryan wrote:
> da bomb wrote in message <6fa0q6$ikn$1...@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net>...
> > I tried being nice about putting down all of your weak ass mustangs.
>
> I love trolls from webtv. It's just so *right*, you know? I mean, the
> trolls we get from real, actual, internet accounts make you stop and think,
> 'What is this guy thinking, they're obviously smart enough to figure out how
> to use a computer, why the need to spout garbage for garbages sake?' But
> trolls from webtv, aah, they are nice, no thinking involved, you see 'webtv'
> there's no wondering. This guy's a complete git.
>
> > WAKE UP AND BUY A REAL CAR ASSHOLES
>
> I'll bet you $1,000,000 that my computer will kick your television's ass.
>
> ryan
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da bomb wrote:
>
> I tried being nice about putting down all of your weak ass mustangs.
> they have, horsepower is weak. That's why you all dump your money in
> saved all of that money you piss into your car maybe you would be able
> toget a car that comes stock with the kind of power you all are looking
> for.300zx twin turbo, supra, or maybe a nice wide track because in the
> latest tests they have been pissing all over the new and improved 4
> I know i will get the response of about at least ten of you idiots who
> right and have no type of facts that can defend your little shitboxes.
> and talk to each other about your big performance upgrades that finally
> fucking joke. Trash rice burners all you want---you wouldn't be doin it
> if you weren't jealous and couldn't afford one. Theres alot of you in
> here making fun of civics and and little cars like that. but it's rare
> i am so impressed by the people in this group who can beat a four
> REAL CAR ASSHOLES"Can't afford a rice burner", first off you jack-ass, some people are Nationalists
which means they care about the U.S., not some slanted eye mooks making turbo rigged,
big winged, fart mufflered, cars. Secondly, I don't think the Grand Prix is a rice
burner, and by the way, the Cobra annhilates it. Third, all of my Saleens cost a damn
site more than any of the aforementioned cars? And just so you know, they don't make the
300ZX's anymore. And if they did, I'm sure that Saleen's S351 would be able to handle
it. I don't want to hear your cockamamie bullshit about Saleen not being factory.
Because guess what, they are. Warranty and all....
Now let's race your foreign dream cars...The only race I've lost is to another American
car, the Hennesy Viper at Pocono Int'l Raceway in Long Pond, P.A.
Now put your "Car" where your mouth is, let's race..Circle or Strip.
Atty. J.M. Holly
1995 Ford Mustang Cobra Saleen- S351- Supercharged- Yates Cyl. Heads- Fully SCCA Prep
1993 Ford Mustang Cobra R- 351- Vortech Blown
1992 Ford Mustang Saleen SSC- Paxton- Stroked 366.
Scott
Oodleoff <oodl...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199803250713...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
> HAHAHAHA, what a boner!!
> By the way I'll put my Cobra against any Jap car made, period.
>
>
>
man, if that cobra is stock, it has 0 chance against most of them. The
only one I can think of that a cobra could beat would be.... um... well.
Maybe a Mr2 Turbo. Just because you see one time in one mag (say, Hot Rod)
that is faster than a jap car in another mag (say, road and track) doesn't
make that car faster.
Scott
> Well, well, well; look whos back its da bitch from web tv. I'll trash
any rice
> box you can find. I don't like 'em at all. First off the Supra is a
$40K car
> and my Cobra was only a $27K car. You care to wager how bad I could
crush a
> Supra with the extra $13K? I didn't think so. Now for the 300ZX; they
are
> slow considering how much they cost. A stock Cobra already beats a stock
300
> ZX, and hell Nissan doesn't make 'em anymore anyway. There must be a
reason
> for that. An M3; theres another overpriced car that I can trash. I
can't wait
> till you buy one; so I can run your ass off in the ditch. BTW, da bitch,
the
> M3 is built by a German not a jap auto maker. Its funny that you think
300 hp
> is a big deal. I don't; thats what Cobras and the new F-bodies make
stock
> naturally aspirated. Is there any doubt that a Cobra or new F-body with
a
> supercharger will utterly destroy any car you'd find cool. No; no doubt
at
> all. There is no car sold outside of this country that offers
performance per
> dollar that can be had with a mustang or f-body. So you can argue until
hell
> freezes over about it, but its still true. BTW, no one here is bashing
rice
> boxes as much as we are bashing you. You're a rude, abrasive, idiotic,
foul
> smelling, shit eating, dead animal fucking troll. Now go away.
>
>
I agree with you to a point about the HP, but just remember, HP does not
make a car nice. No matter how much money you spend on an engine, you'll
never get the refinement, build quality, and handling of those Rice cars.
Scott
J DOG692 <jdo...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199803252215...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
You may be able to find a '91MR2 turbo for $6000 if you are lucky. I know
i've seent them around $8k. Bad ass sports car. Remember, people buy a
corvette for the luxury aspect of the car. If not, why doens't everyone
potential corvette owner buy a mustang and spend $20,000 on aftermarket
parts?
TFrog93
In article <6fa0q6$ikn$1...@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net>, dabo...@webtv.net (da
bomb) writes:
>WAKE UP AND BUY A REAL CAR ASSHOLES
Waitaminute, I'm confused...
I thought for sure that you were some poor woman's snotty-nosed little boy, and
now you make yourself out to be someone "special"...
Tell me, son, WHAT kind of car was it again that you "own"? And is it
currently running? (That means, can you get in, sit down, turn the key, and
DRIVE the car to a chosen destination?) And let's not start fantasizing about
that rotted Granada out back of the trailerhome that Mom lets you pretend to
drive once in awhile.
BTW, I know the magazine you're talking about. It runs an annual
Bang-for-the-Buck contest, and routinely ranks the 300ZX , Supra, RX7, Porsche,
and others. I read the article and was mildly impressed. You, on the other
hand, appear to have been trying to MEMORIZE the article, but the pages are now
probably starting to stick together. You should have used your old friend,
Sock Man, instead of getting it on the magazine.
Hey! Tell you what, son... Now that you've had your fun by having strangers
heap abuse on you (man, that's a nasty character defect you've got there), why
not have some REAL fun? When the old lady gets drunk and falls off to sleep
tonight, check out some of the naughty web-sites, if your television can manage
it... Try http://www.jerkmeoff.com/webtv/fuzzy_picture or one of the real
cool binary newsgroups, like alt.sex.none.nobody.wants.me... Oh, wait, the
binary newsgroups require some way to actually change text into pictures.
Never mind, you probably don't even know what I'm talking about.
Here's another great idea! Next time your mom takes you to Toys 'R' Us, look
through the Matchbox cars real closely. See if you can find a Fox-body Mustang
in there, will ya? If you do, e-mail me and I'll send you $20.00 for it. Look
REAL hard now, okay? You can do it, little man. (Oops, sorry... Only your
mom is allowed to call you "little man". I forgot.)
You may have caught on by now that I haven't discussed cars, really... Just
your personal problems. That's because, having read your post, the only thing
that came across to me is that you must be one lonely, unloved piece of human
garbage. I have nothing but pity and sympathy for you. Having raised two
children of my own, I understand how utterly devastating it can be to a child,
when the parents don't parent...but instead allow you to be raised by a
television. How sad for you.
dwight
(Folks, I applaud you for your restraint. This fool came to us seeking abuse -
why, I will never understand - and you showed him respect and common courtesy.
Steve, Emily, and the rest, you are to be commended. The normal reaction would
have been to tear him a new virtual asshole.)
Mijackson
Mustang are the easiest cars to make fast. They've been making them bofore
Honda or any other Jap crap was even thinking about making cars. They've got
looks style and can run circles around your little rice rockets. I know of a
person that has an Integra and he has spent over $5,000 on the motor and with
nitrous he runs 13's in the 1/4. Wow, I have $4,500 in my 89 Saleen replica and
it runs 12's and that including the price of the cars. If you want to drive
around a snap together model that sounds like a bee farting in jar, go ahead,
but don't even try to compare your ricer with the Mustang, because they are
alot nicer and a hell of alot cheaper.
Robert
Scott wrote:
>
SNIP
> >
> I agree with you to a point about the HP, but just remember, HP does not
> make a car nice. No matter how much money you spend on an engine, you'll
> never get the refinement, build quality, and handling of those Rice cars.
Somewhat true. But look how much the 300Z was selling for before it
went out of production. More than $13,000 more than a Cobra today.
Let's see, $3000 for a Vortech blower (to make the car run 11s), a grand
for trick suspension parts, $5000 for a hand built custom interior, and
$4000 for miscellaneous. Yep, that Z sounds like a heck of a deal.
There are no cheap high performance Jap cars. It's too bad, I like
having lots of competition. Keeps the market strong.
Robert
'97 Blk/Blk Cobra Coupe
Robert
Scott wrote:
>
SNIP
> man, if that cobra is stock, it has 0 chance against most of them. The
> only one I can think of that a cobra could beat would be.... um... well.
> Maybe a Mr2 Turbo. Just because you see one time in one mag (say, Hot Rod)
> that is faster than a jap car in another mag (say, road and track) doesn't
> make that car faster.
How 'bout telling us which ones you think are faster. Gives me a chance
to search and post facts to show you about your "dream" cars. You
aren't the first to make this claim. OBTW, I dusted a 300Z this morning
on the way to work. Yep, mine is stock.
Anyone know where you can get "kill" decals that resemble different cars
to stick on my door? ;-)
ASmall9494
>From: "Scott" <s...@erinetnospam.com>
>I agree with you to a point about the HP, but just remember, HP does not
>make a car nice.
Ever been in a Cobra? Its a very nice car, and a lot more practical on a day
to day basis than the rice cars you love. Heck, I've got a trunk that'll
actually hold things, and a rear seat that is useable. Its not huge, but I've
taken 3 guys and myself places before.
>No matter how much money you spend on an engine, you'll
>never get the refinement, build quality, and handling of those Rice cars.
I already have quality and refinement, and for $1500 I can make my car handle
as well as anything you can come up with. Thank you for your concern and all,
but you should really go drive an american muscle car and form your own
opinion.
Metros 302
YO what kinda car u have??????????if you think its the s*** and your around
nyc.......bring it down punk.or are you the pussys that are brain washed by the
slow 4banger performance?????for what it takes a mustang to do 9's and 10's.you
jap boys are lucky if you in high 13's to low 14's.and thats with slicks and a
boned out interior.i see those little cars around......and let me tell you they
sound like bees with those damn coffee can exhausts.i bet you dont have what it
takes to drive a v8.thats why you got a bitch ride.when you decide to be a
man.let the news group know.....ok you clown in a rice rocket junk
box.........yeah you punk
SEEverist
Robert wrote:
>Anyone know where you can get "kill" decals that resemble different cars
>to stick on my door? ;-)
I think this is a job for Anthony, AKA: Decal Man. He'll custom make you one,
for a price, I bet.
SEEverist
dwight wrote:
>(Folks, I applaud you for your restraint. This fool came to us seeking abuse
>-
>why, I will never understand - and you showed him respect and common
>courtesy.
>Steve, Emily, and the rest, you are to be commended. The normal reaction
>would
>have been to tear him a new virtual asshole.)
I probably would have, but I was out of beer, and had to work today. My best
work usually isn't remembered the next morning anyhow.
LeAnne Davis
John Lenko wrote:
>
> Tee hee... I just forwarded his 'lovely' message to
> ab...@corp.webtv.net.... Hope they (at least) respond to me...
> Love to hear what they say... 8)
>
> jOHN.
webtv'll tell you that they received your message, but they will not tell you
any action they take regarding your message...SOP for webtv as well as many
other service providers
Scott
Mijackson <mija...@aol.com> wrote in article
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faster yes, to some degree. The newer mustang GTs are slow as the honda 4
bangers out there (prelude, Type R). Looks are subjective, but if you
think a mustang is nicer than a Acura Integra you are NUTZ!!!! Those cars
weren't made to be fast. They were made to be quick cars with a bit of
luxury added in. If I was not going to mod out a car, I would pick the
integra over a mustang any day. Better build quality, better ride, better
handling would be a nice trade off for .5 sec in the 1/4 mile.
Oodleoff
OK the only car I even think could beat my car that was made in Japan is the
Turbo Supra. And yes my Cobra is stock! And yes the 300s don't even present a
hassal for me. And as for you 3000's, haha they are horrible, especially for
the price.
'96 Cobra #2002
Scott
ASmall9494 <asmal...@aol.com> wrote in article
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I have driven plenty. And I do love the idea of a muscle car. Great power
for dollar. I am planning on getting one of these late 80s mustangs to
build a cool drag car. Power is gooD!!! But that is all they have.
Anyone that tries to tell you different is a die hard with eyes shut so
tight, they will never see any other view. 80s fords and Chevys are plain
garbage. Handling has little to do with road grip. If you have raced any
variety of cars on tracks, you should know that. You can put yoko nexus
tires on any car and will pull huge amounts of Gs. But how much would it
cost to get rid of that solid axle? I have two friends with 95 z28s. MUCH
better than those 80s cars, but still, the interior is god alful cheap
looking, the ride sux, the handling is a chore, it takes forEVER to change
direction and you don't get much grip out of it even though it is strung so
tight. Directional stability around corners is non-existent and the
ability to correct mid corner is lacking. But power.... =] I have a
friend with a 95 Gt. this thing rattles more than a camaro. And I mean it
rattles EVERYwhere. There is a constant rattle coming from the trunk and
dash. If you think these cars are refined, I feel for you. Time to open
your eyes. The one car that fits a refined sports car category from
America would be the Corvette. Even the GTS can't fill this void. But the
vette does it vErY nicely. But why does it cost 20k more than the pony
cars? Hm... wonders will never cease.
White Tornado Jr.
>slow considering how much they cost. A stock Cobra already beats a stock 300
>ZX, and hell Nissan doesn't make 'em anymore anyway. There must be a reason
>for that
People are buying stupid trucks rather than high $$$ sports cars.
> An M3; theres another overpriced car that I can trash. I can't wait
>till you buy one; so I can run your ass off in the ditch.
You'll trash an M3? Last time I checked the M3 was one of the best
road course cars ever made. Further the car rags put the M3 and your
Cobra nearly even in terms of accleration.
You must have never driven an M3. It's one of the finest cars I've
ever driven. Awesome brakes, solid as a rock chassis, suspension,
buttloads of power all the way to redline. You pay a lot for an M3
but you get a lot in return. No American car that I have ever driven,
or Japanese car except for the late 3rd gen RX-7 is as much a drivers
car.
>M3 is built by a German not a jap auto maker. Its funny that you think 300 hp
>is a big deal. I don't; thats what Cobras and the new F-bodies make stock
>naturally aspirated. Is there any doubt that a Cobra or new F-body with a
>supercharger will utterly destroy any car you'd find cool.
Do we really have to go over this again? The imports have a
horsepower upgrade path they can follow too. Lots of 500hp Supras,
300ZXs and 450hp RX-7s to state otherwise.
White Tornado Jr.
>I already have quality and refinement, and for $1500 I can make my car handle
>as well as anything you can come up with. Thank you for your concern and all,
>but you should really go drive an american muscle car and form your own
>opinion.
Really? I'm getting an RX-7 R1 in about a week. You wouldn't want to
put a little wager on who could get around Road Atlanta faster would
you?
2700lbs vs 3700lbs
Some of the best suspension ever put on a street car vs a solid rear
axle.
This should be fun.
Nick Totoro
White Tornado Jr. wrote...
<<You must have never driven an M3. It's one of the finest cars I've ever
driven. Awesome brakes, solid as a rock chassis, suspension, buttloads of power
all the way to redline. You pay a lot for an M3 but you get a lot in return.>>
I have to agree here. The M3 is quite an able car. It looks rather humble,
but is extremely well-balanced and a great performer.
The motor, considering its relatively small displacement, is surprisingly
torquey off idle and pulls very well all the way to redline. My Cobra dies off
about about 4800rpm and this is with SVO headers, a Mor-Flow catalytic h-pipe and
2 chamber Flowmasters with Dynomax tailpipes. I guess the 77mm MAF and Crane 2031
will be coming sooner than later... 8 )
Nick
_______________________________________________________________
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1994 Ford SVT Mustang Cobra #728
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ICU
You might get beat by a Turbo Supra but not by much:
Per Edmunds
MSRP = $40,308 base, no options
Destination Charge: $420
http://www.supras.com/shootout.htm
May '97 Motor Trend, Supra Turbo:
Quarter-mile: 13.6 sec 106.0 mph, 0.94 g
60-0 MPH Braking: 115 feet
0-60 MPH: 5.1 sec
What amazes me is a $26K Cobra can compete very well against one of
these even in stock trim. Wouldn't take many mods to exceed these
performance figures.
Still like what Edmunds had to say
(http://www.edmunds.com/edweb/cars/Toyota/672.98.html):
"The Supra is also a beautiful work of art, but the hyena-like front
styling is disconcerting. The rear, with its rows of science-project
taillights, massive rear fascia, and obnoxious wing, is just too much.
Why Toyota tacked this front and rear aberration onto an otherwise
restrained and wonderfully styled body is a mystery."
Hehe.
The Cobra isn't the fastest or most comfortable. It simply is a very
good priced performance car that has lots of potential. The Japanese
automakers should consider making a product that competes against the
Camaro/Mustang in the same price range.
Steven Fisher
>You might get beat by a Turbo Supra but not by much:
>
>Per Edmunds
>MSRP = $40,308 base, no options
>Destination Charge: $420
>
>http://www.supras.com/shootout.htm
>May '97 Motor Trend, Supra Turbo:
>Quarter-mile: 13.6 sec 106.0 mph, 0.94 g
>60-0 MPH Braking: 115 feet
>0-60 MPH: 5.1 sec
>
>What amazes me is a $26K Cobra can compete very well against one of
>these even in stock trim. Wouldn't take many mods to exceed these
>performance figures.
Sure, going straight. Hit any turn and the Cobra is toast.
Oodleoff
Crap the Supra is slower than I thought!!!!
ASmall9494
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You pay the $1500 for the Kenny Brown suspension I want and my hotel and gas
fees to get to Road Atlanta and I'll wipe that road course with your car. Go
ahead and get the RX-7 then go for a ride in a mustang with corrected
suspension geometry. The mustang is stock trim is a horrible road course car,
but its not ultra expensive to fix. I plan on doing this fix myself in about
15 months; so you'll have to wait unless of course you pay for the mods.
Steven Fisher
>You pay the $1500 for the Kenny Brown suspension I want and my hotel and
gas
>fees to get to Road Atlanta and I'll wipe that road course with your car.
Go
>ahead and get the RX-7 then go for a ride in a mustang with corrected
>suspension geometry. The mustang is stock trim is a horrible road course
car,
>but its not ultra expensive to fix. I plan on doing this fix myself in
about
>15 months; so you'll have to wait unless of course you pay for the mods.
Do my eyes deceive me? Is ASmall actually thinking that Mustangs are decent
cars? :)
David Lyons
White Tornado Jr. wrote:
>
> Do we really have to go over this again? The imports have a
> horsepower upgrade path they can follow too. Lots of 500hp Supras,
> 300ZXs and 450hp RX-7s to state otherwise.
Yep, imports can match domestic performance. Of course it costs a hell
of a lot more. What's a 500hp Supra cost (car, parts & labor)? What's
a 450hp 300ZX or RX-7 cost (car, parts & labor)? But since you can do
everything with a Mustang that you can with a Supra, M3, etc... for a
lot less money, ....well, you figure it out.
--
David A. Lyons
Gary H
On 26 Mar 1998 21:46:10 GMT, oodl...@aol.com (Oodleoff) wrote:
>Crap the Supra is slower than I thought!!!!
Look at that MPH guys, 106+. That tells us that the Supra Turbo has
the power, but the driver sucks. A well driven 6 speed Supra Turbo
will go 13.3-13.4.
94 White Firebird Formula
A4 3.23, K&N, Edelbrock Cat-Back
13.66 @ 100.56 MPH
Steven Fisher
>Yep, imports can match domestic performance. Of course it costs a hell
>of a lot more. What's a 500hp Supra cost (car, parts & labor)? What's
>a 450hp 300ZX or RX-7 cost (car, parts & labor)? But since you can do
>everything with a Mustang that you can with a Supra, M3, etc... for a
>lot less money, ....well, you figure it out.
Probably cheap to get those HP levels; they have turbos, so you basically up
the boost. Of course, getting beyond there is a whole different story...
Still can't get IRS on the Mustang for a lot less. :(
狂人
In <351AB9CD...@mindspring.com>, on 03/26/98
>White Tornado Jr. wrote...
> <<You must have never driven an M3. It's one of the finest cars I've
>ever driven. Awesome brakes, solid as a rock chassis, suspension,
>buttloads of power all the way to redline. You pay a lot for an M3 but you
>get a lot in return.>>
> I have to agree here. The M3 is quite an able car. It looks rather
>humble, but is extremely well-balanced and a great performer.
> The motor, considering its relatively small displacement, is
>surprisingly torquey off idle and pulls very well all the way to redline.
>My Cobra dies off about about 4800rpm and this is with SVO headers, a
>Mor-Flow catalytic h-pipe and 2 chamber Flowmasters with Dynomax tailpipes.
>I guess the 77mm MAF and Crane 2031 will be coming sooner than later...
>8 )
Hummm... how about extrude hone your intake and heads? :)
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> > HAHAHAHA, what a boner!!
> > By the way I'll put my Cobra against any Jap car made, period.
> >
> >
> >
> man, if that cobra is stock, it has 0 chance against most of them. The
> only one I can think of that a cobra could beat would be.... um... well.
> Maybe a Mr2 Turbo. Just because you see one time in one mag (say, Hot Rod)
> that is faster than a jap car in another mag (say, road and track) doesn't
> make that car faster.
>
>
Sorry buddy, but a stock Cobra will chew up and spit out most Japanese cars.
There are a few of them that will toast it, but they are few and far between,
and they are $10,000 more than a Cobra. SupraTT, NSX, Skyline maybe a 3000Gt
Vr-4.
Most Japanese cars are econoboxes with 130-150 hp 4 bangers in them.
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> I have driven plenty. And I do love the idea of a muscle car. Great power
> for dollar. I am planning on getting one of these late 80s mustangs to
> build a cool drag car. Power is gooD!!! But that is all they have.
> Anyone that tries to tell you different is a die hard with eyes shut so
> tight, they will never see any other view. 80s fords and Chevys are plain
> garbage. Handling has little to do with road grip. If you have raced any
> variety of cars on tracks, you should know that. You can put yoko nexus
> tires on any car and will pull huge amounts of Gs. But how much would it
> cost to get rid of that solid axle? I have two friends with 95 z28s. MUCH
> better than those 80s cars, but still, the interior is god alful cheap
> looking, the ride sux, the handling is a chore, it takes forEVER to change
> direction and you don't get much grip out of it even though it is strung so
> tight. Directional stability around corners is non-existent and the
> ability to correct mid corner is lacking. But power.... =] I have a
> friend with a 95 Gt. this thing rattles more than a camaro. And I mean it
> rattles EVERYwhere. There is a constant rattle coming from the trunk and
> dash. If you think these cars are refined, I feel for you. Time to open
> your eyes. The one car that fits a refined sports car category from
> America would be the Corvette. Even the GTS can't fill this void. But the
> vette does it vErY nicely. But why does it cost 20k more than the pony
> cars? Hm... wonders will never cease.
>
>
I've heard some horror stories about early 90's Vettes, IE rough riding, roof
leaking badly on the convertibles, etc... I don't know if the 97+ Vettes will
be any better but they had better be.
r...@essex.navy.mil
> faster yes, to some degree. The newer mustang GTs are slow as the honda 4
> bangers out there (prelude, Type R). Looks are subjective, but if you
> think a mustang is nicer than a Acura Integra you are NUTZ!!!! Those cars
> weren't made to be fast. They were made to be quick cars with a bit of
> luxury added in. If I was not going to mod out a car, I would pick the
> integra over a mustang any day. Better build quality, better ride, better
> handling would be a nice trade off for .5 sec in the 1/4 mile.
>
>
In comparing my friends 94 Integra LS, it's a nice car but not any nicer
than my Cobra. The he's put about 3000 into it in mods and it is still slower
than my car in the corners, and a hell of a lot slower on the straight away.
The only thing that he might have is going around a corner on a rough road.
My factory stereo is nicer than his was(he upgraded to equal mine, but
didn't beat it) my seats are more comfortable to sit in, the tranny on his
dosn't know when to shift down(it's an auto) I have as much room in the back
seat than he does. I do admit that his car has few squeaks and rattles, but
the fart muffler on it just dosn't sound as good as my V-8's stock exhaust.
r...@essex.navy.mil
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r...@essex.navy.mil
In article <6fegq3$u...@news.microsoft.com>,
"Steven Fisher" <s...@srf.com> wrote:
>
> >You might get beat by a Turbo Supra but not by much:
> >
> >Per Edmunds
> >MSRP = $40,308 base, no options
> >Destination Charge: $420
> >
> >http://www.supras.com/shootout.htm
> >May '97 Motor Trend, Supra Turbo:
> >Quarter-mile: 13.6 sec 106.0 mph, 0.94 g
> >60-0 MPH Braking: 115 feet
> >0-60 MPH: 5.1 sec
> >
> >What amazes me is a $26K Cobra can compete very well against one of
> >these even in stock trim. Wouldn't take many mods to exceed these
> >performance figures.
>
> Sure, going straight. Hit any turn and the Cobra is toast.
>
>
Steven Fisher
>Steven, I'll say this one more time (hopefully it'll be the last), I love
>mustangs. I just think for 27K Ford should give me more than what I got.
But
>hell Civics are close to 20K today. I really like my car, but I think it
could
>be a lot better. I retrieved some of the hp that Ford robbed me of today
by
>installing my underdrive pulleys.
How did the pulley install go? I have those sitting on my desk now too... at
this rate I'm going to have half a car on my desk.
Steven Fisher
>> Sure, going straight. Hit any turn and the Cobra is toast.
>>
>a stock Cobra will pull .89g, with a few suspension mods it will probably
be
>1.0 or more.
Yes, but then you need back surgery after driving it on the street. 1,000
pound springs do that to you. <g>
Oodleoff
Motortrend have a bad driver?
'96 Cobra #2002
ASmall9494
>White Tornado Jr. wrote:
>>
>> Do we really have to go over this again? The imports have a
>> horsepower upgrade path they can follow too. Lots of 500hp Supras,
>> 300ZXs and 450hp RX-7s to state otherwise.
>
>of a lot more. What's a 500hp Supra cost (car, parts & labor)? What's
>a 450hp 300ZX or RX-7 cost (car, parts & labor)? But since you can do
>everything with a Mustang that you can with a Supra, M3, etc... for a
>lot less money, ....well, you figure it out.
>
>David A. Lyons
>
>
>
>
Yes, David is right this is the underlying reason as to why the mustang is so
popular. I don't think it needs to be said again, but you get more go for your
dollar when you buy a pony car. Right now there are only two choices; mustang
or f-body.
ASmall9494
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Steven, I'll say this one more time (hopefully it'll be the last), I love
mustangs. I just think for 27K Ford should give me more than what I got. But
hell Civics are close to 20K today. I really like my car, but I think it could
be a lot better. I retrieved some of the hp that Ford robbed me of today by
installing my underdrive pulleys.
Robert
Steven Fisher wrote:
>
SNIP
> >
> >What amazes me is a $26K Cobra can compete very well against one of
> >these even in stock trim. Wouldn't take many mods to exceed these
> >performance figures.
>
Sure the Supra handles better out of the factory but at more than $14K
more, it should.
But like I said, wouldn't take many mods to exceed the Supra's
performance, straight line or otherwise.
Robert
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>
>
>>mustangs. I just think for 27K Ford should give me more than what I got.
>But
>>hell Civics are close to 20K today. I really like my car, but I think it
>could
>>be a lot better. I retrieved some of the hp that Ford robbed me of today
>by
>>installing my underdrive pulleys.
>
>
>this rate I'm going to have half a car on my desk.
It took me one hour to do. If you like, I'll be happy to do yours. The
hardware that came with the pulleys (the bolts to bolt the damper to the new
pulley) were complete garbage so I drilled and tapped my pulley for some good
bolts. Other than that its easy to do if you have the right tools like an
impact wrench and harmonic balancer puller. You do not have to pull the
radiator as some rumors say. I did move the overflow tank (3 10mm nuts) to get
the impact wrench on the alternator pulley.
Mijackson
For the price that you pay for an Integra I could have a Mustang with after
market suspension, that would out handle any Integra. Also I would be able to
run circle around your car and be comfortable as hell in my nice Sube Cobra
seats. All of that for about half the price of an Integra.
Scott
> In comparing my friends 94 Integra LS, it's a nice car but not any
nicer
> than my Cobra. The he's put about 3000 into it in mods and it is still
slower
> than my car in the corners, and a hell of a lot slower on the straight
away.
> The only thing that he might have is going around a corner on a rough
road.
> My factory stereo is nicer than his was(he upgraded to equal mine,
but
> didn't beat it) my seats are more comfortable to sit in, the tranny on
his
> dosn't know when to shift down(it's an auto) I have as much room in the
back
> seat than he does. I do admit that his car has few squeaks and rattles,
but
> the fart muffler on it just dosn't sound as good as my V-8's stock
exhaust.
>
> GrnCobra
>
Well, it goes without saying, I would take a cobra over a tegboat any day.
=] The stock radio in the teg SUX!! My mom has a 95 Integra SE. I forgot
how much I hate sitting in the integra too; you feel like you are piloting
an arrow, almost sitting on top of the hood. The engine doens't down
shift, yes, not to mention the torque is no where to be found. Back seats,
back smeats. No squaks on my mom's car. And I HATE fart mufflers. Stock
integra GSRs have a very nice sound revving up to 8000rpms. Almost
sportbike like. But one of the best mufflers out there for the car,
Greddy, sounds like a continuous whoopee cushion. Almost not worth the 15
or so HP it gives. Quick question, how does a cobra compare to a normal
mustang? (besides the engine) suspenion, erognomics, chasis? Any other
topics that come to mind? I'm test driving tomarrow, have about 5 cars on
a list to try out. If I can find a Cobra, I'll take it for a spin.
Scott
> I've heard some horror stories about early 90's Vettes, IE rough riding,
roof
> leaking badly on the convertibles, etc... I don't know if the 97+ Vettes
will
> be any better but they had better be.
>
I test drove a 94 corvette a while back, I didn't like it at all. I liked
my MR2 Turbo at the time MUCH better. It may have had something to do the
vette being an auto, but I wasn't thrilled. The mr2 was stiffer, quiter
(not engine wise) and MUCH more fun to drive. It even felt faster, though
it wasn't. I drove a 97 vette last summer. (some guy was trying to sell it
used at $55,000!!!!!!!) They have been improved big time. It almost feels
like the difference between a 92 Z28 and a 93 z28 (although I haven't
driven a 92 z28 in a long Time, I just remember them being huge tanks that
seemed to be put together by preschoolers.) The stiffnes is there, the
ride is almost too soft. Downshifts to 2nd are just plain awe-inspiring.
Highway cruises could be mistaken for something other than a sports car. I
don't know about the roof leaking. Not quite a true sports car, more like
a GT, but they were vastly improved. You should check out a TD one day.
(I td every thing I see)
Scott
David Lyons <lyo...@atl.hp.com> wrote in article
<351AD5B4...@atl.hp.com>...
> White Tornado Jr. wrote:
> >
> > Do we really have to go over this again? The imports have a
> > horsepower upgrade path they can follow too. Lots of 500hp Supras,
> > 300ZXs and 450hp RX-7s to state otherwise.
>
> Yep, imports can match domestic performance. Of course it costs a hell
> of a lot more. What's a 500hp Supra cost (car, parts & labor)? What's
> a 450hp 300ZX or RX-7 cost (car, parts & labor)? But since you can do
> everything with a Mustang that you can with a Supra, M3, etc... for a
> lot less money, ....well, you figure it out.
>
except suspension wise....
Scott
> You pay the $1500 for the Kenny Brown suspension I want and my hotel and
gas
> fees to get to Road Atlanta and I'll wipe that road course with your car.
Go
> ahead and get the RX-7 then go for a ride in a mustang with corrected
> suspension geometry. The mustang is stock trim is a horrible road course
car,
> but its not ultra expensive to fix. I plan on doing this fix myself in
about
> 15 months; so you'll have to wait unless of course you pay for the mods.
If you wanted to make up lost time against a rx7, It would take more than a
$1500 suspension to beat a 7 round a track. You would be better off
spending that 1500 on the engine and just slopping around corners and
passing him on the straights. Unless that 1500 gets you a IRS, 800 pound
weight reduction, better shocks and springs that will lower the car a good
2 inches, and stick that engine in the middle for better weight
distribution, it would be very hard to beat a RX-7. The mazda is pretty
much a race car for the streets, and it has a no holds barred suspension
setup. This car is more like a car engineered for a suspension setup,
rather than trying to put a good suspension on a car. If you haven't test
driven one of these amazing machines, do yourself a favor. There is
nothing like it for sale these days, in terms of race-car feel except a
Viper GTS. But from the buzz around the automotive grapevine the overall
handling on that car just plain sloppy, grip is good.
Scott
ICU <SP...@LESS.NET> wrote in article <351AC0...@LESS.NET>...
> Oodleoff wrote:
> >
> > OK the only car I even think could beat my car that was made in Japan
is the
> > Turbo Supra. And yes my Cobra is stock! And yes the 300s don't even
present a
> > hassal for me. And as for you 3000's, haha they are horrible,
especially for
> > the price.
> >
> > '96 Cobra #2002
>
>
> You might get beat by a Turbo Supra but not by much:
>
> Per Edmunds
> MSRP = $40,308 base, no options
> Destination Charge: $420
>
> http://www.supras.com/shootout.htm
> May '97 Motor Trend, Supra Turbo:
> Quarter-mile: 13.6 sec 106.0 mph, 0.94 g
> 60-0 MPH Braking: 115 feet
> 0-60 MPH: 5.1 sec
>
> What amazes me is a $26K Cobra can compete very well against one of
> these even in stock trim. Wouldn't take many mods to exceed these
> performance figures.
>
but again, a supra isn't just for HP. I get tired of repeating this, and
yes I don't think it is the best looking car out there. Although it does
present a presence on the road few cars can match.
Scott
Oodleoff <oodl...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199803270030...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> Motortrend have a bad driver?
>
> '96 Cobra #2002
>
or maybe they corrected the time slip for temp and alt. I would LOVE to
see a issue with a bunch of cars brought to a strip one day. No
corrections, no BS, just plain numbers from cars that would be driven one
after another like most people do when they take it to the track.
Scott
> Sorry buddy, but a stock Cobra will chew up and spit out most Japanese
cars.
> There are a few of them that will toast it, but they are few and far
between,
> and they are $10,000 more than a Cobra. SupraTT, NSX, Skyline maybe a
3000Gt
> Vr-4.
> Most Japanese cars are econoboxes with 130-150 hp 4 bangers in them.
>
agreed, but I wasn't thinking of civics. If we could talk about Jap 4
bangers from oversees, the list would be MUCH longer. But we don't,
becuase we dont' get them. But, how many people would dump their mustang
cobras, ls1 camaros, and other muscle cars if subaru brought over thier
turbocharged WRX? Supposedly they are under $30,000 and get 0-60 in the
4.5s. 1/4 mile in low 13s. I would like to see some honest answers. Or
this could be just a question in general. Would you dump your american
muscle car if there was a Jap car that would run low 13s and costed less
than 30k? Please don't bring up the mod issue, take this hypothetically.
It will be interesting to see how honda's SSX turns out, if it does stay
under 30K like they say with 250 hp for a car that weighs a little more
than a miata.
TFrog93
In article <01bc3a16$b465e740$30e1...@srw.erinet.com>, "Scott"
<s...@erinetnospam.com> writes:
>I have driven plenty. And I do love the idea of a muscle car. Great power
>for dollar. I am planning on getting one of these late 80s mustangs to
>build a cool drag car. Power is gooD!!! But that is all they have.
>Anyone that tries to tell you different is a die hard with eyes shut so
>tight, they will never see any other view.
You know, I agree with you, Scotty. But you don't seem to grasp the concept of
"pony car" and what it means to its owners, so I must believe that you never
will.
You remind me of the putz over on a.a.c.f. who bought a Prelude because it was
highly recommended by Consumer Reports.
Please, go with your tastes and your "superior" cars. That's fine. And
there's no question that Mustangs and/or Camaros will not measure up to your
standards for handling, suspension and fit-and-finish. (So why the impulse to
buy a late-80s piece of shit Mustang?) There are many fine cars from which to
choose, an entire smorgasbord of automobiles to suit every palate. If you
cannot understand what makes a guy (who can afford any other vehicle) buy a
Mustang or Camaro, then you've totally missed the point and experience of these
cars. I feel sorry for you.
dwight
ELA...@ambion.com
In article <199803270610...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
excuse me. You could buy a new 5liter mustang, suspension, and racing seats
for half the price of an integra? But my GS-R was 20K new. Is a new 5L mustang
only $8500? Isn't the GT more money than a GS-R?
Oh, if you're talking used prices, well sure. A 5 year old mustang does cost
half as much as a five year old GS-R *and with good reason*.
I drove a Z28 for a while before buying the GS-R. The two cars are so
completely different I don't even see the point in comparing them. Sure, the Z
had awesome power and Huge tires for great handling. But it was like driving a
truck. A truck with tiny seats and no ergonomics. I can fit a family of 5 in
my 4dr.
E.
David Lyons
Jamey Johnston
> I drove a Z28 for a while before buying the GS-R. The two cars are so
> completely different I don't even see the point in comparing them. Sure,
the Z
> had awesome power and Huge tires for great handling. But it was like
driving a
> truck. A truck with tiny seats and no ergonomics. I can fit a family of 5
in
> my 4dr.
Right. One is a Sports Car, the other is a sporty sedan. Completely
different vehicles. I think you may be confusing handling with a smooth
ride. There is a big difference there as well. You can have your GS-R for
your family, We'll keep our 'Stangs for performance.
ICU
Maybe you should read the response a little closer. Braking and skid
pad g-force test were also noted above. When I said it wouldn't take
much to exceed the performance figureS...I meant ALL of them, not simply
forward speed. I don't believe a stock Cobra is the fastest or best
handling car in the world. However, you shouldn't kid yourself into
believing aftermarket support won't make a Cobra better than any
comparable stock car on the market. Considering the price difference,
do you really think the Supra handles more than $14K better? I hope you
aren't that naive.
Robert
ICU
Popular Mechanics did just that and many "non-Cobra" owners complained!
Visit http://www.g50mc.org/shootout/pm9708.html
Robert
Steven Fisher
>sportbike like. But one of the best mufflers out there for the car,
>Greddy, sounds like a continuous whoopee cushion. Almost not worth the 15
>or so HP it gives. Quick question, how does a cobra compare to a normal
>mustang? (besides the engine) suspenion, erognomics, chasis? Any other
Don't forget all the torque you lose, the little there is of it. Last I
checked the Greddys use outdated straight-throw designs, which reduces
backpressure to the point of losing torque.
Steven Fisher
>> > of a lot more. What's a 500hp Supra cost (car, parts & labor)? What's
>> > a 450hp 300ZX or RX-7 cost (car, parts & labor)? But since you can do
>> > everything with a Mustang that you can with a Supra, M3, etc... for a
>> > lot less money, ....well, you figure it out.
>> >
>> except suspension wise....
>
>I've got one URL for you:
>
>http://www.griggsracing.com/
Griggs? Bleh. Never proven in any race that I know of, and who wants to
spend $6k for identical-but-lighter parts? Give me SLA for that price (and
IRS whenever it exists)>
Steven Fisher
>this could be just a question in general. Would you dump your american
>muscle car if there was a Jap car that would run low 13s and costed less
>than 30k? Please don't bring up the mod issue, take this hypothetically.
>It will be interesting to see how honda's SSX turns out, if it does stay
>under 30K like they say with 250 hp for a car that weighs a little more
No. I can't seem them ever putting a V8 in a sports car and making it RWD,
for the $20k (not $30k) that I paid for my Mustang.
Oh, it has to look decent too, that's a hard one for them to fill.
Brian Grier
Scott wrote:
>
> David Lyons <lyo...@atl.hp.com> wrote in article
> <351AD5B4...@atl.hp.com>...
> > White Tornado Jr. wrote:
> > >
> > > Do we really have to go over this again? The imports have a
> > > horsepower upgrade path they can follow too. Lots of 500hp Supras,
> > > 300ZXs and 450hp RX-7s to state otherwise.
> >
> > Yep, imports can match domestic performance. Of course it costs a hell
> > a 450hp 300ZX or RX-7 cost (car, parts & labor)? But since you can do
> > everything with a Mustang that you can with a Supra, M3, etc... for a
> > lot less money, ....well, you figure it out.
> >
> except suspension wise....
Actually you can purchase a revised suspension, front and rear, for
79-98 Mustangs. The revised front is a double wish bone, the revised
rear adds a panhard rod and adjust the geometry for what is reported
to be a much more neutral handling vehicle. The price was not for the
faint of heart (around $4k for the front suspension)
Just though you should know.
Brian
Brian Grier
Scott wrote:
>
> Oodleoff <oodl...@aol.com> wrote in article
> <199803270030...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> > Motortrend have a bad driver?
> >
> > '96 Cobra #2002
> >
> or maybe they corrected the time slip for temp and alt. I would LOVE to
> see a issue with a bunch of cars brought to a strip one day. No
> corrections, no BS, just plain numbers from cars that would be driven one
> after another like most people do when they take it to the track.
The closest R&T came was in 87 (Maybe 86) when the took a bunch
of cars to Willow Springs and tried to determine which cars was
fastest around the track.
Top honors then went to the Mustang GT, then the Corvette, third
or fourth went to the RX-7. But that was then...
I have not seen a similar test since then.
Brian
ASmall9494
>>Greddy, sounds like a continuous whoopee cushion. Almost not worth the 15
>>or so HP it gives. Quick question, how does a cobra compare to a normal
>>mustang? (besides the engine) suspenion, erognomics, chasis? Any other
>
>
>Don't forget all the torque you lose, the little there is of it. Last I
>checked the Greddys use outdated straight-throw designs, which reduces
>backpressure to the point of losing torque.
Don't forget the $800 Greddy charges for a single pipe fart muffler cat back
kit either. I looked at their prices one day, and it makes BB Triflo look
cheap. Hell Borla's are cheap compared to Greddy. Flowmasters and Dynomax
and Mac kits are downright super cheap when compared to that import stuff.
Thank goodness for american cars.
ASmall9494
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Hey Scott, I've already driven one (RX7). I like it, but it really lacks the
hp for a top end pull down a straight in stock trim. For $1500 I get new
springs, adjustable Konis, subframe connectors, pan stiffening rails, all new
polyurethane bushings, a torque arm / panhard bar, and new mounting points for
the rear control arms. The result is that my archaic MacPherson strut / live
axle setup will corner with better grip and response than just about any
suppossed sports car. It'll beat the hell out of me on the street, but oh well
you can't have everything. My neighbor with
David Lyons
Steven Fisher wrote:
>
> >> > of a lot more. What's a 500hp Supra cost (car, parts & labor)? What's
> >> > a 450hp 300ZX or RX-7 cost (car, parts & labor)? But since you can do
> >> > everything with a Mustang that you can with a Supra, M3, etc... for a
> >> > lot less money, ....well, you figure it out.
> >> >
> >> except suspension wise....
> >
> >
> >http://www.griggsracing.com/
>
> Griggs? Bleh. Never proven in any race that I know of, and who wants to
> spend $6k for identical-but-lighter parts? Give me SLA for that price (and
> IRS whenever it exists)>
How about Steeda, Saleen, Kenny Brown?
--
David A. Lyons
Nick Totoro
狂人 wrote...
<<Hummm... how about extrude hone your intake and heads? :) >>
I've been considering Extrude Honing the intake and having the heads CNC
ported. I guess I'm part of the minority who still thinks the iron GT40 is a
great street head. That comes if/when I decide to turn my humble, little 302
into a roaring, hormone-enraged 347... 8 )
Right now, though, I have some suspension work to do. I got into a fight
with a pole in the parking garage at work and lost. There was very little
damage to the fender, however I knocked the toe out an inch (right front). This
bent the inner tie rod and end and may have damaged the spindle... don't know
yet. Fortunately my Baer Tracker tie rod ends didn't get damaged. Since I was
having del-alum bushings put in the front control arms anyway and the front end
was going to be dismantled, I decided to finish my Kenny Brown AGS4 setup.
I may get GW rear control arms while I'm at it.
Nick
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Ken
> potential. The Japanese automakers should consider making a
> product that competes against the Camaro/Mustang in the same
> price range.
I doubt that it'll happen for a couple of reasons :
1) The Japanese place emphasis on attributes such as
refinement, reliablity, ergonomics, etc. over engine
displacement/output.
2) The Japanese have no need for a car with neck breaking
acceleration and top speeds due to their small roads and
intense traffic jams.
3) Due to their limitations in terms of natural resources,
large displacement engines are simply out of the question.
With that being said, I'll have to take one step back and
acknowledge such cars as the Skyline GT-R, Evolution IV, and
Impreza WRX. It's just unfortunate that we'll never see these cars on
our shores. :(
Ken.
Ken
> OK the only car I even think could beat my car that was made > in Japan is the Turbo Supra. And yes my Cobra is stock! And
> yes the 300s don't even present a hassal for me.
Have you ever come across a modified 300TT ? A stock 300TT can be
upgraded to over 425 hp for under $2000. That's good enough
for low 13s.
But in any event, the Supra and 300ZX are in a totally different class
of automobiles. They place more emphasis on attributes such as
refinement and reliability. ie. Have you ever driven a 300TT before ?
The 93 TT I test drove felt much more solid and refined than a brand new
98' Camaro Z28 !
> And as for you 3000's, haha they are horrible, especially for
> the price.
If you take price into consideration, I'll admit that it's almost
impossible for any car to beat the Mustang/F-Body in terms of bang per
buck.
Ken.
Ken
> What's a 450hp 300ZX or RX-7 cost (car, parts & labor)?
The 300ZX TT can attain around 450hp from an ECU upgrade,
boost controller, intake modification, and cat-back exhaust.
This would cost appx. $2500 on top of the car - which typically
goes upwards from $12,000 (used of course).
If you decide to go all out with an upgraded turbo and NOS, you'll be
putting out up to 760hp (according to Stillen).
> But since you can do everything with a Mustang that you can
> with a Supra, M3, etc... for a lot less money, ....well, you
> figure it out.
That's for sure. The Mustang/F-Body are unbeatable when it comes to bang
per buck. (Unless you happen to be the lucky winner of a brand new
Porsche 911 Turbo through some charity
fund raiser. :) )
Ken.
r...@essex.navy.mil
> agreed, but I wasn't thinking of civics. If we could talk about Jap 4
> bangers from oversees, the list would be MUCH longer. But we don't,
> becuase we dont' get them. But, how many people would dump their mustang
> cobras, ls1 camaros, and other muscle cars if subaru brought over thier
> turbocharged WRX? Supposedly they are under $30,000 and get 0-60 in the
> 4.5s. 1/4 mile in low 13s. I would like to see some honest answers. Or
> this could be just a question in general. Would you dump your american
> muscle car if there was a Jap car that would run low 13s and costed less
> than 30k? Please don't bring up the mod issue, take this hypothetically.
> It will be interesting to see how honda's SSX turns out, if it does stay
> under 30K like they say with 250 hp for a car that weighs a little more
> than a miata.
>
>
I don't know, But I'd probably stick with my Cobra for a while.
GrnCobra
ELA...@ambion.com
In article <01bd5993$2aabab00$2c3b...@TAC044.sidlinger.com>,
Japanese Sports cars, such as the supra, 3000 gt turbo, RX7 turbo, and 300zx
turbo are more of a match for a Z28. However, since we agree than comparing a
Z28 to an integra is comparing apples to oranges, in your opinion (lets not
get catty here....) what american cars fall into the lightweight, sporty,
tight handling, 0-60/6.5 sec, 140 mph top speed/ slick 5 speed class like a
GS-R? A grand am? yuck. Can't a GS-R take a standard mustang or camero?
狂人
In <6fgnib$4...@news.microsoft.com>, on 03/27/98
>>http://www.griggsracing.com/
>Griggs? Bleh. Never proven in any race that I know of, and who wants to
>spend $6k for identical-but-lighter parts? Give me SLA for that price (and
>IRS whenever it exists)>
Not quite identical... Stock mustang do not have coil over struts, do not
have subframe connectors to make the car more ridig, and do not have the
panhard bar that Camaros have...
Agreed with the SLA part tho... :)
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In article <01bd5993$2aabab00$2c3b...@TAC044.sidlinger.com>, "Jamey Johnston" <jam...@SPAMcounty.SPAMorg> wrote:
>> I drove a Z28 for a while before buying the GS-R. The two cars are so
>> completely different I don't even see the point in comparing them. Sure,
>the Z
>> had awesome power and Huge tires for great handling. But it was like
>driving a
>> truck. A truck with tiny seats and no ergonomics. I can fit a family of 5
>in
>> my 4dr.
>
>Right. One is a Sports Car, the other is a sporty sedan. Completely
>different vehicles. I think you may be confusing handling with a smooth
>ride. There is a big difference there as well. You can have your GS-R for
>your family, We'll keep our 'Stangs for performance.
>
It appears to me we have lost sight of the initial message. He wanted to get
us upset and to argue about rice burners vs USA vs Whatever. My two cents is
this. I have been in and have driven to date Several late
model Porsches including Carrera 2 and 4s, 928 S4's and most recently a 911
twin turbo 4 with mods( this cars over 545 HP) Also spent considerable time
with a Ferrari 512tr Testarossa. (My father is wealthy and loves cars) The
only reason I bring this up is , even though I have spent considerable amounts
of time with these very high priced cars, you can't lose sight of what makes
each car interesting. Personally to buy a Japanese built auto in any price
category past 25K is foolish in (my opinion). The Germans build better cars
period in higher price performance categories. Luxery in sports cars really
doesn't exist. But that is part of the attraction. I would love to have some
of the features of my Buick Regal in the Stang but frankly the car isn't used
the same way. You don't see cup holders in Ferrari's or 911's. My point is
that any car can be made to perform. I chose an 89 LX 5.0 because it had good
HP stock and was reasonably affordable to upgrade. I like it its fun. My
father thinks it's crude, he's right but I can't afford to buy Ferrari's. It
is a pony car that is affordable. Same thing with the Gm offerings, not my
preferance but still an affordable performance machine. In my humble opinion
Japanese cars have no roots and no soul. Nothing like seeing that Japanese
interior in an NSX a real turn On. Granted GM and Ford are solely lacking in
the interior dept. but they are affordable performance. If we want race cars
at any price then the playing field is pretty even. But compare apples to
apples. To sink 15k into a stang or a camaro will give you a very good
handling rocket ship. But to go above lets say 40k with either your better off
with The next step up in $$$ A Porsche or Ferrari. Lets not forget about the
Corvette or Viper Which fit nicely between these categories. Rice boys get
over yourselves. No matter what you do or say they got no soul.
Urizen
89 LX 5.0
TFrog93
>I would like to see some honest answers. Or this could be just a question
>in general. Would you dump your american muscle car if there was a Jap
>car that would run low 13s and costed less than 30k? Please don't bring
>up the mod issue, take this hypothetically.
I've answered this question many times, in many different ways. No.
I'm a "car guy". I appreciate all cars, all makes, all models. I greatly
admire some of the Japanese super cars (Nissan 300ZX, Toyota Supra), the German
sports cars (Porsche, BMW), the British driving machines (Jaguar), and even
find good things to say about econoboxes (Honda, Kia, Festivas). I do not
fault anyone for their choice of purchase, and every car is built to fill a
need.
If I ONLY wanted to drive fast, there are many cars from which to choose. If I
wanted horsepower AND superb handling characteristics, there are a few
excellent choices.
The Mustang V8 models just seem to call out to me. Yes, they rattle and
squeak. Yes, the live rear axle is difficult to master. Yes, the brakes are
inadequate. But there is an intangible something about the car that makes it
THE choice for me. It just fits me, like a favorite pair of jeans.
I'm sure that I'd find, say, a Supra to be a lot of fun. For awhile. But the
Mustang, with its low growl, its powerful cruise, it's plain-jane All-American
basic guts, just makes me smile.
I'm sorry if I cannot get this point across to non-Mustang people. Words are
inadequate to the task.
But, then, there's a reason that there are 50,000 different models of cars made
today. The Mustang just happens to be MY choice.
dwight
NoOption5L
In article <6fhj9u$o9g$1...@roadrunner.micro-net.net>, uri...@micro-net.com
(Urizen) writes:
I'm curious, what Japanese cars have you driven? NSX, Lexus GS, LS 400, 300ZX,
Supra, RX7, ect?
Patrick
Black/Grey '87 5 liter 5 speed LX
Scott
> > but again, a supra isn't just for HP. I get tired of repeating this,
and
> > yes I don't think it is the best looking car out there. Although it
does
> > present a presence on the road few cars can match.
>
> Maybe you should read the response a little closer. Braking and skid
> pad g-force test were also noted above. When I said it wouldn't take
> much to exceed the performance figureS...I meant ALL of them, not simply
> forward speed. I don't believe a stock Cobra is the fastest or best
> handling car in the world. However, you shouldn't kid yourself into
> believing aftermarket support won't make a Cobra better than any
> comparable stock car on the market. Considering the price difference,
> do you really think the Supra handles more than $14K better? I hope you
> aren't that naive.
>
> Robert
>
Do I think it handles 14k better? HELL NO. Do I think you can make a
mustang grip better than a stock TT? HELL YES, by far. BUT, a car must be
driven before one thinks that all there is to that 14k is handling. There
is a luxury factor in there. (hate to say it =[) Solid feeling toyota
quality. The feel of the car is just so solid. And it pulls over .90gs on
the skid and cruises on the highway nicely. I personally think that is one
of the reasons the RX7 has gone. It rode too hard. Most of the supra
owners want them for show, and luxury. They are NOT hard core sports cars.
But there is a factor in these cars that make a lexus/bmw buyer think
twice. It is all about money. If the general public wanted hard core,
beat the shit out of you riding sports cars (rx7) then they wouldn't be
driving concrete confined SUVs. Please don't think I'm a jap flag waver or
anything. I test drove a Eclipse GSX today, it handled like shit. One of
the worst cars I've ever driven that was intended to be "sporty" It would
grip alright... but it seemed so sloppy in settling in it's groove. I
would take a mustang over those any day.
^Nemesis^
So should Chrysler. And don't give me any crap about the Viper or the
Stealth.
>The Japanese automakers should consider making a product that >competes
against the Camaro/Mustang in the same price range.
>Robert
>'97 Blk/Blk Cobra Coupe
Scott
Steven Fisher <s...@srf.com> wrote in article
<6fgnit$n...@news.microsoft.com>...
> >this could be just a question in general. Would you dump your american
> >muscle car if there was a Jap car that would run low 13s and costed less
> >than 30k? Please don't bring up the mod issue, take this
hypothetically.
> >It will be interesting to see how honda's SSX turns out, if it does stay
> >under 30K like they say with 250 hp for a car that weighs a little more
>
>
> No. I can't seem them ever putting a V8 in a sports car and making it
RWD,
> for the $20k (not $30k) that I paid for my Mustang.
>
> Oh, it has to look decent too, that's a hard one for them to fill.
>
>
ssx will be rwd.
I'm saying a under 30k car that runs 13s. (like the cobra) 20k mustangs do
not run 13s. More like 15s.
looks are subjective and opinions are blinded by stereotypes. What does a
v8 have to do with stock power? So you can say you have a v8? Although,
I amit, they usually sound better than other engines. But a DOCH vtec 6
(in some cases 4) can make just as much power as a 8 for less weight, and
displacement. But then you lose low end torque, and lose muscle car
buyers. But there is also an upside to having an engine that revs to
8000rpms.
Scott
> Hey Scott, I've already driven one (RX7). I like it, but it really lacks
the
> hp for a top end pull down a straight in stock trim. For $1500 I get new
> springs, adjustable Konis, subframe connectors, pan stiffening rails, all
new
> polyurethane bushings, a torque arm / panhard bar, and new mounting
points for
> the rear control arms. The result is that my archaic MacPherson strut /
live
> axle setup will corner with better grip and response than just about any
> suppossed sports car. It'll beat the hell out of me on the street, but
oh well
> you can't have everything. My neighbor with
>
I'll take your word for it =]
狂人
In <351BF10E...@atl.hp.com>, on 03/27/98
>Steven Fisher wrote:
>>
>> >> > of a lot more. What's a 500hp Supra cost (car, parts & labor)? What's
>> >> > a 450hp 300ZX or RX-7 cost (car, parts & labor)? But since you can do
>> >> > everything with a Mustang that you can with a Supra, M3, etc... for a
>> >> > lot less money, ....well, you figure it out.
>> >> >
>> >> except suspension wise....
>> >
>> >I've got one URL for you:
>> >
>> >http://www.griggsracing.com/
>>
>> Griggs? Bleh. Never proven in any race that I know of, and who wants to
>> spend $6k for identical-but-lighter parts? Give me SLA for that price (and
>> IRS whenever it exists)>
>How about Steeda, Saleen, Kenny Brown?
I almost forgot, Barts Works seem to have a SLA kit that uses the stock K
member (or whatever that's called... :) ) and added coil over shock (instead
of the good/bad old struts) and a upper control arm...
Anyone have experience with them? They also seem to make mounting kits for
Paxton Novi 2000 blower...
Mark T S
Don't confuse a harsh ride with good handling, either. On a less than
glass-smooth road, softer springs will maintain tire contact better.
That's why 93 Cobra "handled" better than GT.
Gary H
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:24:28 GMT, ICU <SP...@LESS.NET> wrote:
>Maybe you should read the response a little closer. Braking and skid
>pad g-force test were also noted above. When I said it wouldn't take
>much to exceed the performance figureS...I meant ALL of them, not simply
>forward speed. I don't believe a stock Cobra is the fastest or best
>handling car in the world. However, you shouldn't kid yourself into
>believing aftermarket support won't make a Cobra better than any
>comparable stock car on the market. Considering the price difference,
>do you really think the Supra handles more than $14K better? I hope you
>aren't that naive.
>
>Robert
I could take a car like a Dodge Stratus, lower it, stiffen it up, and
put on race tires and it would probably pull 1.0G+. That proves
nothing....One concern about the Mustang is the ride would become
extremely stiff. In time, a stiff ride will deteriorate the integrity
of the car. A stiffly suspended Mustang would rattle etc much worse
then a Supra. Also, Ford experimented with IRS in the Mustang last
summer and deemed in not neccessary for right now. The ride/handling
characteristics did not improve dratically over the solid axle set-up.
One thing you guys are forgetting to mention is weight removal and
weight distrubution. Move the battery to the trunk, take out the back
seats, a fiber glass hood etc would all help the Mustang handle a bit
better. None of those thing will make a dramatic difference, but that
in addition to some Eibachs, subframes, etc would improve things quite
a bit.
94 White Firebird Formula
A4 3.23, K&N, Edelbrock Cat-Back
13.66 @ 100.56 MPH
Robert
Gary H wrote:
>
> On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:24:28 GMT, ICU <SP...@LESS.NET> wrote:
>
> >Maybe you should read the response a little closer. Braking and skid
> >pad g-force test were also noted above. When I said it wouldn't take
> >much to exceed the performance figureS...I meant ALL of them, not simply
> >forward speed. I don't believe a stock Cobra is the fastest or best
> >handling car in the world. However, you shouldn't kid yourself into
> >believing aftermarket support won't make a Cobra better than any
> >comparable stock car on the market. Considering the price difference,
> >do you really think the Supra handles more than $14K better? I hope you
> >aren't that naive.
> >
> >Robert
>
> I could take a car like a Dodge Stratus, lower it, stiffen it up, and
> put on race tires and it would probably pull 1.0G+. That proves
> nothing....
Sure it does, means it keeps traction in the tight turns. Very
important detail in handling. If you can go through a turn
faster/tighter than your competitor, you have a much better chance of
winning.
> One concern about the Mustang is the ride would become
> extremely stiff.
No doubt. Any "real" performance car will have a harsh ride. The
harshness is directly proportional to the performance wanted. Any car
that "rides on rails" doesn't float over bumps!
> In time, a stiff ride will deteriorate the integrity of the car. A stiffly suspended Mustang would rattle etc much worse then a Supra.
Want to take a guess HOW many modified suspensions are on Mustangs
compared to Supras?
Your theory just doesn't hold water.
> Also, Ford experimented with IRS in the Mustang last summer and deemed in not neccessary for right now.
Really? Ever hear of the Super Stallion? Ford has said this is a
rolling test bed and EXPECT to see many items tested on this car put on
production models in the near future.
> The ride/handling characteristics did not improve dratically over the solid axle > set-up.
You obviously haven't read the performance figures on the Stallion,
primarily the slalom speeds! Yes, the numbers changed dramatically.
Why do you think so many of us want IRS? Just for the added weight?
> One thing you guys are forgetting to mention is weight removal and
> weight distrubution. Move the battery to the trunk, take out the back
> seats, a fiber glass hood etc would all help the Mustang handle a bit
> better. None of those thing will make a dramatic difference, but that
> in addition to some Eibachs, subframes, etc would improve things quite
> a bit.
>
We KNOW these things. I stated the aftermarket can easily make up for
ANY performance differences. Very few other cars on the market have
such aftermarket support as the Mustang does. If you have the money and
want to make a Mustang handle better or go faster, the technology is a
phone call away.
ELA...@ambion.com
In article <6fhj9u$o9g$1...@roadrunner.micro-net.net>,You know, sometimes "personality" or "soul" are just marketing words for
idiosyncracies in ergonomics or performance limitations. OK, so my Triumph
Spitfire convertible had lots of soul. It also coulnd get over 75 mph and had
an electrical fire. (fried Soul? :-))
E.
Steven Fisher
>Don't forget the $800 Greddy charges for a single pipe fart muffler cat
back
>kit either. I looked at their prices one day, and it makes BB Triflo look
>cheap. Hell Borla's are cheap compared to Greddy. Flowmasters and Dynomax
>and Mac kits are downright super cheap when compared to that import stuff.
>Thank goodness for american cars.
$800? Ouch. And for less than that we get *two times* the pipes! :)
You did go to Stillen's site and find the $800 chips for Maximas didn't you?
NoOption5L
>Really? Ever hear of the Super Stallion? Ford has said this is a
>rolling test bed and EXPECT to see many items tested on this car put on
>production models in the near future.
Didn't Ford say that about the Mach 3 showcar. And we got what from that
concept. ?
>> The ride/handling characteristics did not improve dratically over the solid
>axle set-up.
I also read this.
>You obviously haven't read the performance figures on the Stallion,
>primarily the slalom speeds! Yes, the numbers changed dramatically.
>Why do you think so many of us want IRS? Just for the added weight?
I think more performance (not only handling, but also braking and acceleration)
would be gained from cutting the current Cobra's weight, than from adding IRS
and gaining even more weight.
And with IRS what other options will the Cobra need to equal a Vette? Same
performance options = same price. I for one, don't want a Mustang with a
Corvette price. Let the new T-bird compete at that level. Keep the Mustang
afFORDable!
>> One thing you guys are forgetting to mention is weight removal and
>> weight distrubution. Move the battery to the trunk, take out the back
>> seats, a fiber glass hood etc would all help the Mustang handle a bit
>> better. None of those thing will make a dramatic difference, but that
>> in addition to some Eibachs, subframes, etc would improve things quite
>> a bit.
I not sure if moving the battery to the trunk will be a standard setup for a
Mustang (be nice though), but maybe move the battery to a location nearer to
the firewall. ?
A lighter weight hood is feasible. Ford is currently using plastic panels on
one of its big cars (Crown Vic?). How about trying to cut someweight from the
seating? Or start with a stiffer chassis that doesn't require as much bracing?
>We KNOW these things. I stated the aftermarket can easily make up for
>ANY performance differences. Very few other cars on the market have
>such aftermarket support as the Mustang does. If you have the money and
>want to make a Mustang handle better or go faster, the technology is a
>phone call away.
Patrick
SEEverist
Robert wrote:
>Really? Ever hear of the Super Stallion? Ford has said this is a
>rolling test bed and EXPECT to see many items tested on this car put on
>production models in the near future.
Every time I hear this, I think sure, we'll see different parts and pieces on
several different cars, but never on one car at the same time. The best parts
will probably never be included on any car, and the others will be spread few
and far between. It's really sad, and I hope I'm proven wrong some day,
though.
Steve
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Jamey Johnston
> I see no disagreement. Watching a Z28 drag an integra must be humorous
indeed.
> Japanese Sports cars, such as the supra, 3000 gt turbo, RX7 turbo, and
300zx
> turbo are more of a match for a Z28. However, since we agree than
comparing a
> Z28 to an integra is comparing apples to oranges, in your opinion (lets
not
> get catty here....) what american cars fall into the lightweight, sporty,
> tight handling, 0-60/6.5 sec, 140 mph top speed/ slick 5 speed class like
a
> GS-R? A grand am? yuck. Can't a GS-R take a standard mustang or camero?
I think that is about right for a Mustang GT, isn't it?
Robert
NoOption5L wrote:
>
SNIP
>
> Didn't Ford say that about the Mach 3 showcar. And we got what from that
> concept. ?
>
test bed", per SVT. However, the bean counters make the final decisions
as always.
> >> The ride/handling characteristics did not improve dratically over the solid
> >axle set-up.
>
> I also read this.
I watched the slalom test with dramatically improved handling (Motor
Trend TV program). Partly due to the SLA setup but the IRS kept the
tires flat on the surface and kept the back end from spinning out.
> I think more performance (not only handling, but also braking and acceleration)
> would be gained from cutting the current Cobra's weight, than from adding IRS
> and gaining even more weight.
Though there are many items that could be swapped out for lighter weight
parts (body panels), the stiffer chassis has added much of the weight.
>
> And with IRS what other options will the Cobra need to equal a Vette? Same
> performance options = same price. I for one, don't want a Mustang with a
> Corvette price. Let the new T-bird compete at that level. Keep the Mustang
> afFORDable!
>
I agree 100%! Hopefully, if the IRS becomes available on the Mustang
chassis, it will be an option. It will definetly jack the price up and
it should. If it competes against a higher priced vehicle, there's no
reason for Ford to ask much less.
> I not sure if moving the battery to the trunk will be a standard setup for a
> Mustang (be nice though), but maybe move the battery to a location nearer to
> the firewall. ?
With the width problems of the OHC engines, I doubt there will be any
moving of the battery towards the firewall. Cramped as it is. I also
don't see Ford moving the battery to the trunk. This could create
liability issues. The trunk isn't sealed from the main cabin area since
the back seats fold down. When hydrogen gases build up during charging,
it creates a serious fire hazard. I think you will have to go to the
aftermarket for battery relocation, even in the future.
> A lighter weight hood is feasible. Ford is currently using plastic panels on
> one of its big cars (Crown Vic?).
The Econoline series vans now have plastic hoods.
> How about trying to cut someweight from the
> seating?
Ford is already using lightweight materials in the Mustang seats
(magnesium frame). Frankly, I like the seats and ain't gonna change 'em
for any performance gains!
> Or start with a stiffer chassis that doesn't require as much bracing?
That WAS the tradeoff. The SN-95 chassis IS stiffer but is heavier.
Nothing is free. The Mustang is a good all around vehicle. It was
never meant to be a dragster or a slalom master. The vehicles that
perform these tasks very well straight from the factory also have a
window sticker to match. Fortunetly, the aftermarket is on our side and
any performance feature you want to add is usually available.
Robert