Another eBay moment
C. Olofsson
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&mfcisapicommand=Vie
wItem&photodisplaytype=2&indexurl=0&item=2419097843
I've already sent an email to the seller. These types of auctions are what
destroy Ebay's reputation.
Cindy
'96 laser red auto GTS
SVTKate
What's the problem with it?
Kate
"C. Olofsson" <awsumposu...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Larry Dennis
Last time I checked, Saleen didn't offer a 6cyl. S-351.
Larry
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DDB
> wItem&photodisplaytype=2&indexurl=0&item=2419097843
>
> I've already sent an email to the seller. These types of auctions are what
> destroy Ebay's reputation.
Auctioning off things that have been ripped off also destroys their
reputation. On lighter Note I just bought a 6cyl 99 mustang with 17,500
miles on for around 8500. I needed a beater for long trips down the PA
turnpike and it fit my needs perfectly.
Mike King
S-351 model. This still doesn't explain a V6 Ford VIN. I believe since
Saleen is a remanufacturer, the VIN would have been changed when it was
retitled as a new vehicle.
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"Larry Dennis" <news@lordskippy_no_spam.com> wrote in message
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Chad
modified motor (a 6cyl to a V8 swap as this car is). If you read lower down, it
says "STREET LEGAL. 351 WINSOR 6 SPEED TRANS" I assume this car started it's
new life from a wrecked car (with those 8 records found on carfax).
Chad
stuie stuie
Can someone tell me the size of the bolts that hold the front seats in thru
the floor.1965 seats
Thanks
STUART
65 Convertible
Sydney Australia
C. Olofsson
Oh, say you're kidding? And to think I've wanted a Saleen for years...
I wrote to the high bidder and this was his response:
"Hello,
Thank you very much for brining this to my attention. I was told by the
seller (several times) that this is one of 40 true S351's. I was beginning
to wonder. Can you please let me know the basis for your thinking this car
is not a true Saleen S351? That information would be very helpful..."
As you can see, this guy is totally clueless. I think you should at least
know what the hell you are bidding on before you're allowed to!
Cindy
'96 laser red auto GTS
"Mike King" <wrai...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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WindsorFox[SS]
> According to the VIN number and CarFax, as well as the ebay page, it's a 6cyl.
> Last time I checked, Saleen didn't offer a 6cyl. S-351.
>
> Larry
>
Actually I thought all Saleen Mustangs started as V6 Mustangs and
were then modified by Saleen to whatever specs. If you want to find
out the truth you'll need the Saleen ID number. He says he has dyno
sheets and I would imagine if you won the auction for that car and
the description were that far off, you would not be obligated to buy it.
WindsorFox[SS]
> I believe Saleen buys the V6 from Ford and builds it up from there for the
> S-351 model. This still doesn't explain a V6 Ford VIN. I believe since
> Saleen is a remanufacturer, the VIN would have been changed when it was
> retitled as a new vehicle.
> --
Saleens ID number is not in the same place though, I don't think
they replace the VIN plate on the dash, it might be a little touchy
getting a pop riveter upthere without removing the windshield LOL.
WindsorFox[SS]
No, Saleen does not use wrecked cars, they were buying brand new
V6 Mustangs to make the S351's. The S281 was apparently bought as a V8.
JD Fensty
> miles on for around 8500. I needed a beater for long trips down the PA
> turnpike and it fit my needs perfectly.
Wow. You and I have two *VERY* different interpretations of the term,
"beater."
:)
Also, Cindy, FWIW, it appears the seller has added the following
disclaimer:
Important Information:
Some of you buyers are concrened that this is not a true S-351. due to
the fact when you due a vin# background check it comes back as a 3.8L
coupe. In 1999 all S-351s were 3.8L coupes before Saleen got them and did
there magic. I have spoke with saleen and so can you team saleen at (800)
888-8945 they have verified its a true S-351 with the factory sticker and
authentication letter. Thank you for you time. Let me knew if you have
any other questions.
-shrug-
I dunno if he's tellin' the truth or not, if I were interested I'd call
the # he provides and give the VIN# and see what they tell me.
If he's not telling the truth, I do wonder why he'd post the VIN# at
all...unless maybe he wants to play on just that very reasoning. Caveat
Emptor. :)
JD
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Gagan (mwarrior)
make you WANT to get the report. Also for anybody that knows... did the S351
come with a 6spd?
Gagan
"Chad" <chads...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Jim Warman
states "YOU can check with Saleen..."..... Why would *I* need to check with
Saleen.... I'm the customer...... prove to me this is what it is.
Looking at the flip side , the "I saw it on the internet... it must be true"
crowd makes an easy mark for many things....
Not too long ago, Ebay offered up a "playstation 2 original carton and
invoice".... bidding started at 9 bux.... The 'winner' took it away at
around $250..... and he got the playstation 2 carton.....
Is Ebay good??? Yes.... Is Ebay bad??? Yes.... Caveat emptor...... your new
mantra.... caveat emptor....
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"JD Fensty" <jdfe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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MPBSR25
Could be yours for only $180,000. I think the car's just a little overpriced.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2419487153&c
ategory=6164
WindsorFox[SS]
> Not too long ago, Ebay offered up a "playstation 2 original carton and
> invoice".... bidding started at 9 bux.... The 'winner' took it away at
> around $250..... and he got the playstation 2 carton.....
>
>
I would have wasted a plane ticket just to kick that guys ass.
Then get my CC to reverse the charges.
WindsorFox[SS]
Well, I believe that the LS6 is about as rare as a Shelby GT500
KR Convertable, but I don't think you could get $180,000 for one.
Paul
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> I would have wasted a plane ticket just to kick that guys ass.
> Then get my CC to reverse the charges.
That would not have been that easy I fear. You got exactly what the guy
advertised. Granted, you paid to much for it but that is your fault.
I know the buyer complained to eBay and they kicked the seller out.
But had no other recourse as what he stated he was selling, was what
the buyer got. The buyer assumed it included the actual unit. But
nowhere in the auction did it say that. Now I'm not saying the seller
is honest, he wasn't, as he was counting on the buyers greed. Which is
what is why conjobs work. By playing on the mark's greed...
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"Paul" <ese...@maps.on> wrote in message
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> at 14 Jun 2003, WindsorFox[SS] [windso...@SPAMcox.net] wrote in
> news:3EEB520A...@SPAMcox.net:
>
> > I would have wasted a plane ticket just to kick that guys ass.
> > Then get my CC to reverse the charges.
>
> That would not have been that easy I fear. You got exactly what the guy
> advertised. Granted, you paid to much for it but that is your fault.
>
> I know the buyer complained to eBay and they kicked the seller out.
> But had no other recourse as what he stated he was selling, was what
> the buyer got. The buyer assumed it included the actual unit. But
> nowhere in the auction did it say that. Now I'm not saying the seller
> is honest, he wasn't, as he was counting on the buyers greed. Which is
> what is why conjobs work. By playing on the mark's greed...
Actually, the buyer wasn't greedy, they were bidding on something for
sale. This guy did a Clinton; parsed words that most people wouldn't.
JD Fensty
> The term "caveat emptor" sticks out in my mind....... Even if the
vendor
That's why I said it, sure 'nuff.
I can't think of any circumstances I'd buy a car off Ebay other than it
was in my local area and I'd already eyeballed it.
> Looking at the flip side , the "I saw it on the internet... it must be
true"
> crowd makes an easy mark for many things....
It's just an extension of "I saw it on TV" or "I read it in the
newspaper" if you think about it. People put way too much faith in some
sources and not enough in others (their own common sense, for one.)
> Not too long ago, Ebay offered up a "playstation 2 original carton and
> invoice".... bidding started at 9 bux.... The 'winner' took it away at
> around $250..... and he got the playstation 2 carton.....
Yep - that was at the height of the hype on the PS2, when it had just hit
the stores and they were going on Ebay for $1000+. Makes you wonder what
the moron was thinking, really, even if he couldn't READ that it was only
a box - did he think he was the only one who somehow stumbled on that
auction that it was listing for 20% of what the others were? :)
Bud
to life. In 1999 Saleen got the car from Ford as a V 6 3.8L so the
Vin is of that car. Then they pull the engine and stock parts and put
those parts in the car. And the saleen is born but they cant change
what the Vin # is match with (V6). So that is why you have to have an
athentication letter for the insurance company to cover that Vin for
the value of the car 60000 or what ever.. Carfaxs is what it is in
there computer but dont take my word call Saleen in Irvine CA and see
for your self.. The only ones who know this are Saleen and the
owner/past onwer who do there home work... Everyone who says different
is shooting from the hip..
Bud
Call Saleen they could not retitle the 1999 V-6 they transform into there S351.
Bud
I realize that but read the Important info under the description you
will see that the 1999 S-351 came from ford as a V6 3.8L coupe and
then the Saleen factory pulled those out along with the other systems
to be replaced with Saleen parts. So any time you do a vin # search
(where ebays description comes from) on any 1999 S-351 it will come
back as a 3.8L V-6. And once the car is got the vin # it will never
change information on that Vin # not even Saleen could change it. If
you question this call Team Saleen at the Number provided below the
description section (important information) with the Vin# and serial #
37 you will see this is true. That is why when you own a 99 S351 you
have to get an authentication letter for the insurance company to
raise the value of the car. I have the letter to match Vin and serial
#s.
WindsorFox[SS]
> at 14 Jun 2003, WindsorFox[SS] [windso...@SPAMcox.net] wrote in
> news:3EEB520A...@SPAMcox.net:
>
>
>> I would have wasted a plane ticket just to kick that guys ass.
>>Then get my CC to reverse the charges.
>
>
No, I disagree. The law says "By normal thought of a reasonable
person". No reasonable person would have ever thought that they were
bidding on a box. That is a plain out scam in the making, that guy
knew good and well pepople would think they were bidding on a PS2 and
it was surely listed with the other PS2s for sale and not listed in
with boxes. If I had to spend $300 to get my $200 back I would just
to make sure he didn't get to keep it.
DDB
> > miles on for around 8500. I needed a beater for long trips down the PA
> > turnpike and it fit my needs perfectly.
>
> Wow. You and I have two *VERY* different interpretations of the term,
> "beater."
Na, my 66 convertible now tha's a keeper but 99 mustang 6 cyl that's abeater
had it had a 5.0 engine them it too could be a keeper. Hell you give me
9,500 for and it yours after all value is in the eye of the beholder.
jim.gm4dhj
when I was stuck on my '66 coupe...
Jim Scotland UK
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Andrew Croft
1/2" bolt.
You need the long rachet piece because the seat track bolts hang down
almost 2"
Fairly easy to work on.
Andrew Croft
'65 Caspian blue 6 cylinder coupe, blue interior [07.85 to present]
http://www.inhouseproductions.on.ca/Mustang.jpg
'96 Forest green GT coupe, grey interior [04.96 to 04.00]
'88 medium blue 5.0LX hatchback, grey interior [93-04.96]
'80 white hatchback, red interior [91-93]
In article <3eea62f8$0$15841$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>, stuie
Mike
stated he was selling. Since his discription of the merchandise for sale was
clear, consise and accurate, the "by normal thought of a reasonable person"
wasn't applicable. That is only applicable where there is a less than
precise description. However, the price of $250 for an empty carton and
invioce is totally unreasonable, so this was an ethics violation and enough
to get him kicked off ebay. The buyer may or may not have had recourse to
get the charges removed from his credit card, depending on the exact wording
of his agreement with the cc company, many of whom are not known for their
ethics either.
"WindsorFox[SS]" <windso...@SPAMcox.net> wrote in message
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W3tac8oe
>1/2" bolt.
!/2 inch bolt!
Those Ausie cars are built tough. My 65 had 5/16 studs holding the seats down.
c8oe
Andrew Croft
I checked the rachet piece I've used in the past few years any time
I've taken the seat out and that's the one that fit. 1/2" is the bolt
head, not the seat track stud diameter. I would figure a bolt head that
is 1/2" would likely fit a stud of 5/16" but I'm not about to go out
and measure anything because it's not worth the hassle trying to offer
help in here only to get dumped on.
But then... what would I know about Mustangs yada, yada, yada.
[tongue firmly planted in cheek :-P ]
Andrew Croft
'65 Caspian blue 6 cylinder coupe, blue interior [07.85 to present]
http://www.inhouseproductions.on.ca/Mustang.jpg
'96 Forest green GT coupe, grey interior [04.96 to 04.00]
'88 medium blue 5.0LX hatchback, grey interior [93-04.96]
'80 white hatchback, red interior [91-93]
In article <20030616172524...@mb-m20.aol.com>, W3tac8oe
WindsorFox[SS]
> Actually what the guy did was perfectly legal, he sold exactly what he
> stated he was selling. Since his discription of the merchandise for sale was
> clear, consise and accurate, the "by normal thought of a reasonable person"
> wasn't applicable. That is only applicable where there is a less than
> precise description. However, the price of $250 for an empty carton and
> invioce is totally unreasonable, so this was an ethics violation and enough
> to get him kicked off ebay. The buyer may or may not have had recourse to
> get the charges removed from his credit card, depending on the exact wording
> of his agreement with the cc company, many of whom are not known for their
> ethics either.
>
Again, I disagree. It was a scam, everyone knows it was a scam,
he knew he was wilfully scamming someone, therfore; it may not be
illegal, but I would contest it through my credit card.
Mike
scam was a perfectly legal one, in that he broke no specific laws. It was a
scam and a highly unethical one, but he started the bidding at $9.00 which
is a bit high for just an empty box, but not totally outrageous if someone
needed a box for warranty purposes or some such. The people who bid it up to
$250.00 did so because they didn't read the whole description either due to
greed or ignorance. The credit card company might or might not refund the
money because the seller did not misrepresent the item, he gave a clear and
consise description of it. (Credit card companies are not particularly known
for their ethics either. They often offer credit cards to college and even
high school kids who have no source of income, knowing that in most cases
their parents will bail them out of debt.)
If the buyer took the seller to civil court he would have a fair chance
of getting at least most of his money back, because while the seller did not
commit a crime, the judge could possibly rule that he did commit a tort,
because he would have known that the bid far exceeded the value of the item
and therefore he should have assumed that a misunderstanding had taken place
and posted a clarification. However the buyer would have to know enough
about the law to bring this argument up because most judges in civil cases
will only rule on the arguments actually presented by the parties to the
case. ($250 is small claims court territory in most states, many small
claims courts don't allow the victim to recoup attorney's fees, and it would
cost more than $250.00 to hire an attorney.)
"WindsorFox[SS]" <windso...@SPAMcox.net> wrote in message
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JD Fensty
> Again, I disagree. It was a scam, everyone knows it was a scam,
> he knew he was wilfully scamming someone, therfore; it may not be
> illegal, but I would contest it through my credit card.
>
Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but if "everyone knows it was a
scam" doesn't that fit "by clear thought of a reasonable person" it was a
scam? And he bought it anyway. Fool and his money are soon parted.