Miata vs Mustang
Mike Solwecki
Howdy, I am currently looking at different convertibles in the 20-24k
price range, and wanted to hear peoples pros and cons on these vehicles.
The Mustang GT insurance premiums turn me off bigtime, so I'm looking more
at the base model Mustang. How does the premiums for the Miata stack up
against these two?
Subic Sailor
Mike Solwecki wrote in message <6pngtt$ft8$1...@solaris.cc.vt.edu>...
:
: Howdy, I am currently looking at different convertibles in the 20-24k
Your local insurance agent would likely know what the rates are for you.
Tim Kalafut
costs of the Mustang GT, I would choose the Miata. Without exception.
Tim
ScotterNews
expectations and purchased the V6 Mustang due to insurance or price. Think
of it this way: If you get the V6, every single time you see a GT
Convertible (that's what I have) you will wish you had paid the extra $50/mo
car pmt and $100/year insurance (or whatever it may be).
The other thing: I looked at Miata's when I shopped for my car. I like the
Miata. I like the way it looks and drives. However, the Mustang is slightly
more comfortable (in my opinion, of course), has much more power/pound (GT),
has a much larger trunk, and *has a back seat*. That last one has come in
VERY handy, even though I did not anticipate needing the back seat. Oh I
remember the last car I had with no back seat and I shiver with regret.
Yeah, I'm biased toward the Mustang, heh! But I've had my 96 GT Convertible
now for nearly 2 years and I'm still in love with it. Every time I walk out
to get in it I admire it's beauty and every time I drive it I just LOVE the
sound and the feeling of power. It's no Ferrari but I tell ya having pretty
much all the power you need for passing, hills, etc. with a pure
"willingness to go more" every step of the way is very nice. Sure, compare
my GT to a twin turbo something or a Vette and it doesn't seem that
powerful, but compared to a Miata.... well... Miata is a fun little toy (two
friends have them and I've driven them a few times) while the Mustang is a
slightly bigger toy with more guts and more practicality. I couldn't fit my
scuba gear (dive bag) into the Miata's trunk and I tell ya that is not good.
Sincerely,
Scott Swain
white/tan leather
CSUNracer
Monster Miata is, it's a miata converted over to a fire breathing machine
powered by a 5.0l 302.
Sean
91 Forest green notchback- aluminum gt-40 heads, cobra intake, f 303 cam, 24#
injectors, race pullies, 1.7 roller rockers, 73 MM C&L, 70 mm BBK TB, MSD
ignition, 4 core aluminum radiator, .373 gears, full exhaust, HD SVO Clutch,
drag suspended!
t.r.mcloughlin
> If I had to choose between the base Mustang or the Miata due to insurance
> costs of the Mustang GT, I would choose the Miata. Without exception.
If I had to choose between a Miata and a Mustang based on
insurance costs, I'd re-evaluate my process for determining
which car to buy.
The Miata is going to be less expensive to maintain and operate
than a Mustang. It's smaller, lower-powered, more fuel
efficient, etc.
But if you think that you want what a Mustang has to offer,
you will not be satisfied with a Miata. You will lose the
extra space in seating and storage, the extra horsepower,
and the American mystique.
Similarly, if you think you want what a Miata has to offer,
you will not be satisfied with the Mustang. You will lose
the fits-like-a-glove feeling, the agility, and the whole
two-seater me, my car, and you mystique.
trm
HOG FVR
> Howdy, I am currently looking at different convertibles in the 20-24k
> price range, and wanted to hear peoples pros and cons on these vehicles.
> The Mustang GT insurance premiums turn me off bigtime, so I'm looking more
> at the base model Mustang. How does the premiums for the Miata stack up
> against these two?
Wait for the '99 Mustang, I heard they'll have a 200hp V6 then.
The Miata's a great little sports car, and the Mustang is a great
car, but mot a sports car! For me, I would have to get at least
the GT and preferably the Cobra, if I where looking at 'Stangs.
Once had a '70 351 Mustang... that set tha standard, so now things
have to be quicker.
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Lanny Chambers
> Howdy, I am currently looking at different convertibles in the 20-24k
>price range, and wanted to hear peoples pros and cons on these vehicles.
>The Mustang GT insurance premiums turn me off bigtime, so I'm looking more
>at the base model Mustang. How does the premiums for the Miata stack up
>against these two?
In most cases, a Miata costs about the same to insure as a Toyota
Tercel--no sports car surcharge. It's why Miatas aren't very fast: Mazda
worked with the insurance industry to keep the premiums down. Passenger
survivability in a crash is excellent, too.
That won't keep you from turbocharging it later, of course... :-)
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Mustang Marty
ScotterNews wrote in message <6pnn7t$odf$1...@news.onramp.net>...
>I've heard nothing but sorrow from people who have lowered their
>expectations and purchased the V6 Mustang due to insurance or price. Think
>of it this way: If you get the V6, every single time you see a GT
>Convertible (that's what I have) you will wish you had paid the extra
$50/mo
>car pmt and $100/year insurance (or whatever it may be).
I guess I'm the only one that is happy with my V6....And my last car was
even 5.0 Mustang. If my insurance was only going to be $100/year more, I may
have bought the Mustang GT......But it was $75/MONTH more. That would have
been $1500 more a year when you include the extra payment the GT would cost
me (if the GT is only $3k more, factored over 60mos)......I had a budget of
$425/mo for a car (payment + ins.) and I just got under the wire at $421...
Maybe I could have bought a different car, but I wanted a Mustang. My 98 is
my 6th Mustang, and my 10th Ford (11th if you include the Mustang pedal car
I got for Chistmas when I was 2 1/2)
So.....I guess I could have paid $1500/year for a car that gets to freeway
speeds a couple of seconds faster, gets a couple of gallons less in fuel
mileage, and to the eye looks just like my V6 with foglights......Sounds
like a really good deal to me, not......
A GT isn't any better in rush hour / bumper to bumper traffic (which is 80%
of my driving). A GT does 0-60 in 6 something sec and my V6 does it in
9....Do you floor it from every stop light? Even if I had a GT, I wouldn't
street/freeway race. I stopped doing that a long time ago.
I am perfectly happy with my V6...and it's not a gutless wonder with the
T-5. And I think the pony badges look better than the GT 4.6l ones on the
GTs.....
MM
RRLS10
>you will not be satisfied with a Miata. You will lose the
>extra space in seating and storage, the extra horsepower,
>and the American mystique.
>
Define: American mystique
I'd love to hear this one.
-Randy
phanatos
American Mystique: Paint brought out by BASF which changes
with lighting to appear to be either red, white, or blue.
Sorry, couldn't resist! :)
--
Phanatos
93 B4C Camaro - Stock
82 Mustang GT/LX - 351W, 4.10 gears, posi-trac, Hurst (being restored),
dual exhaust
Vincent W Chan
couple of years when new models come out...
The miata... I think I will keep it forever as long as it runs great.
Or same condition if I have a large garage...
If insurance agency considers the "HorsePower" as their number 1 rating
concern..., I think my quote for a Mustang GT would be even higher than what
I had got for a prelude. hence, to answer someone's question, the miata
will become my pick if based on that question to pick one.
The latest generation Mustang is better looking than the olders but
still...... not better than any miata (M1 or M2). But if I liked more
horsepower on a car, the Mustang certainly wins base on the HP/$$.
A matter of taste...
--
-Vincent
My pet -> a white Miata 99'PEP
Vincent W Chan
yours in Northern California. My case is a rare one... anyway.
Lanny Chambers (la...@derived.com) wrote:
> In most cases, a Miata costs about the same to insure as a Toyota
> Tercel--no sports car surcharge. It's why Miatas aren't very fast: Mazda
> worked with the insurance industry to keep the premiums down. Passenger
> survivability in a crash is excellent, too.
> That won't keep you from turbocharging it later, of course... :-)
> --
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convertible and an '88 LX hatchback), I was shopping for a new daily
driver a couple of months ago. It was going to be either a 5.0
Mustang convertible or a Miata.
All I can tell you is that every time I see a pretty Mustang, I admire
it, but the feeling of having made the right choice is reinforced. I
know that if I'd bought the Mustang, every time I saw a nice Miata I'd
wish I'd bought it, instead.
YMMV, so good luck in your quest!
Mike Solwecki (l...@slac.com) wrote:
> Howdy, I am currently looking at different convertibles in the 20-24k
> price range, and wanted to hear peoples pros and cons on these vehicles.
> The Mustang GT insurance premiums turn me off bigtime, so I'm looking more
> at the base model Mustang. How does the premiums for the Miata stack up
> against these two?
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David Woolston
the rates for all three. This is a two way street. it is a pain in the butt for
the agent to go through this stuff, BUT if you have been a loyal client without
too much headaches from you he will do this. One person made the comment that to
save a few dollars on insurance premiums and car payments and compromise on your
choice isn't worth it. In general I agree and am setting my sites on Cobra Vert.
Every person has to sort this stuff out for themselves. I have a friend who's
wife has 'tang with 3.8 and he thinks it is fun to drive. he has been driving
F250 4x4 deisels for 12 years so it is a big change for him. Good luck...Dave
Mike Solwecki wrote:
> Howdy, I am currently looking at different convertibles in the 20-24k
> price range, and wanted to hear peoples pros and cons on these vehicles.
> The Mustang GT insurance premiums turn me off bigtime, so I'm looking more
> at the base model Mustang. How does the premiums for the Miata stack up
> against these two?
>
> loc
> l...@slac.com
Joe Breitenbach
As far as stock Mustangs and Miatas go, it's like comparing apples and
oranges. Two entirely different things. IMHO, of course.
Joe
White Tornado Jr.
>than a Mustang. It's smaller, lower-powered, more fuel
>efficient, etc.
He said base model Mustang. Power to weight between the convert v-6
Mustang and the Miata is vast and it's in the Miata's favor.
Personally I wouldn't want to drive a Miata just for the stigma.
Of course I have a neighbor than has both a Mustang GT convertable and
a new Miata.
94GTConv
>YMMV, so good luck in your quest!
What is "YMMV"?
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-Jonathan
94 GT Convertible
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TFrog93
>Howdy, I am currently looking at different convertibles in the 20-24k
>price range, and wanted to hear peoples pros and cons on these vehicles.
>The Mustang GT insurance premiums turn me off bigtime, so I'm looking more
>at the base model Mustang. How does the premiums for the Miata stack up
>against these two?
Newsgroups: rec.autos.misc
rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
I don't like getting into these cross-posted thingies, since I automatically
suspect TROLL.
Were I to answer the question seriously, either car would be a wonderful
choice, and as far as insurance questions, ask your damned agent.
dwight
Mark Johnson
> Howdy, I am currently looking at different convertibles in the 20-24k
>price range, and wanted to hear peoples pros and cons on these vehicles.
>The Mustang GT insurance premiums turn me off bigtime, so I'm looking more
>at the base model Mustang. How does the premiums for the Miata stack up
>against these two?
>
car(whether that be the Mustang or the Miata) as your second car...
I kept my old car on as my primary vehicle with liability only and am
saving about $400/yr this way
You may need the primary vehicle previously insured with them(I did)
Get lots of quotes too, they vary widely... There are even companies
who will shop for the lowest quotes for you(they do get a commission)
other suggestions...
1 get out of the city... buy a cottage somewhere
2 get married
3 put your wife down as the driver of the 'sports car' (sometimes
doesent help on a multiple driver policy though... depends on the
company)
4 don't have any accidents
5 get a dealers license so you can get a blanket policy(this ones
kinda tough I know :) )
Jared Rude
him about it a lot after class was over. It was a really cool car. Like an
inexpensive 289 AC Cobra. That was about 13 years ago in high school. I
wonder if he still has it.
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1990 LX 5.0
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Joe Breitenbach wrote
JasonGayda
compared to the miata's.....I wouldn't even worry about insurance.....
Jason
PPetty1
>price range, and wanted to hear peoples pros and cons on these vehicles.
>The Mustang GT insurance premiums turn me off bigtime, so I'm looking more
>at the base model Mustang. How does the premiums for the Miata stack up
>against these two?
Not to confuse the issue, but you should be able to get a V6 camaro convertible
in that price range, or a Z28 T-Top.
Paul
polo green w/black top
'97 stock Z-28
6 spd, T-Top
Mike Solwecki
: >The Miata is going to be less expensive to maintain and operate
: >than a Mustang. It's smaller, lower-powered, more fuel
: >efficient, etc.
: He said base model Mustang. Power to weight between the convert v-6
: Mustang and the Miata is vast and it's in the Miata's favor.
: Personally I wouldn't want to drive a Miata just for the stigma.
^^^^^^
What stigma is this?
: Of course I have a neighbor than has both a Mustang GT convertable and
: a new Miata.
My whole point to starting this thread was to see if people would discuss the
pros and cons of each car from a first person perspective. The costs are relatively the
same, so I was trying to see what everyone thought of the cars themselves.
It looks like it just boils down to a matter of taste, which is an issue
that can never be settled. Well, I'm test driving both soon, so we shall see..
Eric Moon
SUV's=Silly not Used for their intended purpose Vehicles), I can't
believe the amount of space that has been wasted in this NG regarding
the debate over Mustang vs. Miata. Fine if you like the 'Stang....BUT
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO COMPARISON!!!!!!!
Might as well compare a Tercel to a MB M Class(hope that doesn't turn
into a thread!!)
The point is that those of us who choose to drive Miatas do so because
that is our style, it is part of what kind of person we are. The Miata
is "purposefully small, like a go-kart", nostalgic of 60's roadsters,
and it's owners buy them never intending to haul scuba gear (that's what
a Volvo turbo-wagon or Outback is for. BTW an SUV Expedition or Suburban
would be overkill) or more than you could pack for a weekend away at
your favorite B&B in the Pocono's or Catskills(insert favorite mountains
here).
Anyway, Mustangs are all fine and good if you need a bigger car and
especially the GT if you need more American horses and noise to make up
for any personal sshortcomings. IMHO, it takes a guy with big balls to
drive a small, light car with a small engine, that others can't help
describe as "cute".
So, if you like Mustangs, talk about them elsewhere....I'm sure they
have their own NG.
No offense meant to the Pony-Car guys....honest.
Mike Solwecki wrote:
> Howdy, I am currently looking at different convertibles in the
> 20-24k
> price range, and wanted to hear peoples pros and cons on these
> vehicles.
> The Mustang GT insurance premiums turn me off bigtime, so I'm looking
> more
> at the base model Mustang. How does the premiums for the Miata stack
> up
> against these two?
>
> loc
> l...@slac.com
Chris Matthaei
>In article <6pngtt$ft8$1...@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, l...@slac.com (Mike Solwecki)
>writes:
>
>>price range, and wanted to hear peoples pros and cons on these vehicles.
>>The Mustang GT insurance premiums turn me off bigtime, so I'm looking more
>>at the base model Mustang. How does the premiums for the Miata stack up
>>against these two?
>
>rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
>rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
>
>I don't like getting into these cross-posted thingies, since I automatically
>suspect TROLL.
I thought the same thing. Funny that it if is was a troll, it completely
failed to hook anyone. All I've seen are well reasoned responses from both
sides. I guess that unlike the Honda vs. Mustang thread, Miata and Mustang
owners have mutual respect for each other.
Chris
'91 5.0 LX http://www.mcs.net/~fuzzy/
Chris Matthaei
>>The Miata is going to be less expensive to maintain and operate
>>than a Mustang. It's smaller, lower-powered, more fuel
>>efficient, etc.
>
>He said base model Mustang. Power to weight between the convert v-6
>Mustang and the Miata is vast and it's in the Miata's favor.
>
>Personally I wouldn't want to drive a Miata just for the stigma.
>
>a new Miata.
Hey WT, at least it's RWD, right? I would love to have a Miata. It's like an
MGB that actually starts. :)
Chris Matthaei
>While I have an appreciation for just about any automobile (excepting
>SUV's=Silly not Used for their intended purpose Vehicles), I can't
>believe the amount of space that has been wasted in this NG regarding
>the debate over Mustang vs. Miata. Fine if you like the 'Stang....BUT
>THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO COMPARISON!!!!!!!
>Might as well compare a Tercel to a MB M Class(hope that doesn't turn
>into a thread!!)
>The point is that those of us who choose to drive Miatas do so because
>that is our style, it is part of what kind of person we are. The Miata
>is "purposefully small, like a go-kart", nostalgic of 60's roadsters,
>and it's owners buy them never intending to haul scuba gear (that's what
>
>a Volvo turbo-wagon or Outback is for. BTW an SUV Expedition or Suburban
>
>would be overkill) or more than you could pack for a weekend away at
>your favorite B&B in the Pocono's or Catskills(insert favorite mountains
>
>here).
>Anyway, Mustangs are all fine and good if you need a bigger car and
>especially the GT if you need more American horses and noise to make up
>for any personal sshortcomings. IMHO, it takes a guy with big balls to
>drive a small, light car with a small engine, that others can't help
>describe as "cute".
>So, if you like Mustangs, talk about them elsewhere....I'm sure they
>have their own NG.
>
>No offense meant to the Pony-Car guys....honest.
In case you didn't notice, this thread is cross posted to both the Miata and
Mustang groups. We're having to read about Miatas over here in the 'stang
group too. I personally don't have a real problem with this, but I have a
feeling the original post may have been a troll intended to start an
inter-group flame war. Let's not let this happen! If I'm wrong about this, I
apologize. I can appreciate both cars and would love to have a Miata as a
second car. Maybe one of those conversions with a 5.0 in it. :) There's
nothing wrong with having lots of power. It has nothing to do with personal
shortcomings, it's just fun! Please, let's not let this turn into a flame war.
Rexven
>>The Miata is going to be less expensive to maintain and operate
>>than a Mustang. It's smaller, lower-powered, more fuel
>>efficient, etc.
>He said base model Mustang. Power to weight between the convert v-6
>Mustang and the Miata is vast and it's in the Miata's favor.
A manual V6 is pretty close to the Miata, close enough that the driver
should make the difference.. toss in an automatic to that Mustang and
the driver will be seeing Miata tail lights..
>Personally I wouldn't want to drive a Miata just for the stigma.
What's the stigma? "Hey, they can't stop smiling and laughing and
their hairs a bit messed up.. They must drive a Miata!"
>Of course I have a neighbor than has both a Mustang GT convertable and
>a new Miata.
Which qualifies the question in what way?
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[snip]
> Anyway, Mustangs are all fine and good if you need a bigger car and
> especially the GT if you need more American horses and noise to make up
> for any personal sshortcomings. IMHO, it takes a guy with big balls to
> drive a small, light car with a small engine, that others can't help
> describe as "cute".
> So, if you like Mustangs, talk about them elsewhere....I'm sure they
> have their own NG.
>
> No offense meant to the Pony-Car guys....honest.
>
None taken. I have test driven a Miata, albeit several years ago.
It handled very nicely and overall would be a great car to tool around
twisty back roads on.
For me, there was one problem with the car, it did not have enough head
room. With the top up, my head met the canvas. And regardless of the top
being up or down the top of the window was smack in the middle of my field
of view, forcing me to abandon my preferred upright seating position,
for a very laid back, about as much as in the '80s Camaro/Firebird,
seatback. Not very comfortable for me but not a problem for most people
considerring that my seated height is in the top 15% of people in the US.
The interior of the new Mustangs do not appeal to me. I like the exterior
of the new Firebirds, but think the interior of the new Mustang is better.
I have not test driven a Miata recently, so I can not comment on it's
interior appearance, I do like the exterior. All this and the price tag
for any new sports car has already exceeds what I consider rediculous.
For these reasons I restored my '82 Mustang GL and continue to enjoy the
car as much now as the day I bought it in May of '82.
Though the bushings on the rear suspension do need replacing...
Brian
'82GL/302/T-Tops
Rexven
>While I have an appreciation for just about any automobile (excepting
>SUV's=Silly not Used for their intended purpose Vehicles), I can't
>believe the amount of space that has been wasted in this NG regarding
>the debate over Mustang vs. Miata. Fine if you like the 'Stang....BUT
>THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO COMPARISON!!!!!!!
As an SUV owner who DOES use it for said purpose I can readily agree!
There is no comparing a light weight two seat sports roadster against
a 4-seat muscle car when basing it on price alone. The insurance was
another question and that is simple. The Miata costs less to insure as
it is not listed as a sports car. The Mustang name is enough to send
tremors through the insurance companies and the rates reflect that,
even with the V6. Practicality wise? You have apples and oranges. The
Mustang wins hands down.
>The point is that those of us who choose to drive Miatas do so because
>that is our style, it is part of what kind of person we are. The Miata
>is "purposefully small, like a go-kart", nostalgic of 60's roadsters,
>and it's owners buy them never intending to haul scuba gear (that's what
>a Volvo turbo-wagon or Outback is for. BTW an SUV Expedition or Suburban
>would be overkill) or more than you could pack for a weekend away at
>your favorite B&B in the Pocono's or Catskills(insert favorite mountains
>here).
hehe, I had two people and all the scuba gear into my '93 Miata. The
only thing we rented at the destination were the tanks and I'm pretty
sure I could have managed those if it had been necessary. Coming out
of an MR2 the Miata has plenty of room <grin>. Normally I'd have used
the Jeep but the weather and roads dictated a sporting convertible :)
Obviously the Jeep is the better camping gear since the Miata can't
pack in 4-5 people, 2-3 tents, cooking gear, packing gear, rifles,
etc, and still manage to ford rivers and mud to get to wherever we are
going. (See web-page) :)
>Anyway, Mustangs are all fine and good if you need a bigger car and
>especially the GT if you need more American horses and noise to make up
>for any personal sshortcomings. IMHO, it takes a guy with big balls to
>drive a small, light car with a small engine, that others can't help
>describe as "cute".
I never subscribed to the insecurities thing. I always figured people
bought cars that made them happy. If someone else thinks they have to
have a shiny car to make up for something then that simply shows their
own insecurity or jealousy. Certainly not my problem.
>So, if you like Mustangs, talk about them elsewhere....I'm sure they
>have their own NG.
This is cross-posted between the Mustang group and the Miata group. So
far the groups appear to be quite pleasant in discussing the topic.
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Rexven wrote in message <6pq9h6$l9d$8...@camel19.mindspring.com>...
Rexven
>>drive a small, light car with a small engine, that others can't help
>>describe as "cute".
>sans balls and everything.
It is odd to think of the Miata and it's reputation. Based strictly on
apperances the car is often refered to as a 'girls car'. Usually
because it's small, rounded, friendly looking, and most people realise
it has meager power.. however, I have never heard anyone refer to it
that way after driving the car. :) The comments usually change to
calling it a Tic-Tac or just plain fun. The '99 model may have done
quite a bit to alleviate the girls car image due to it's higher power
output and sharper/more agressive styling. I don't see where gender is
a factor in actual purchase decisions but if ladies like it as much as
I do, what's the harm in that?
>I love my Miata and will probably never buy a Mustang because it's not
>the car for me. But I see no need for you to belittle Mustang owners in
>an article crossposted to their newsgroup. All that will do is set off
>a flamewar.
I'm not a major Mustang fan though I have nothing against them and I
do like the classics, especially the fastbacks. If they manage to get
a good rear suspension set-up on the cars so that they aren't as
wallowy, managed to fix the seating so that those over 6'1 could fit
comfortably in the car without being some sort of contortionists, then
brought the power levels up to match the competition without a jack in
the price I'd be more than willing to give them a shot as my next
purchase. Alas, as the car doesn't fit me, it's not on my list, but I
still wave at every convertible I see and still have fun talking to
proud owners when I see a car in great shape or one that has some mods
done to it. I'd love to have that new DOHC 4.6 Cobra motor housed in
my Miata as it's the best motor I've seen from Ford (in terms of
smooth building power output, lack of vibration, consistency, and it
even has a pretty fun gearbox once it's broken in), but alas it is
built differently than the 4.9 liters so it won't fit. What we have
here are a pair of cars that have nearly nothing in common other than
drivetrain layout and the number of tires. Everything else is aimed at
a different target and with it's own emphasis targets.
John Frost
>>The Miata is going to be less expensive to maintain and operate
>>than a Mustang. It's smaller, lower-powered, more fuel
>>efficient, etc.
>
>He said base model Mustang. Power to weight between the convert v-6
>Mustang and the Miata is vast and it's in the Miata's favor.
>
What stigma?
John
John Frost
yoshimx5 (at) maplecity.com
RRLS10
Is this a standard option on all V-6 Mustangs ? :oP
-Randy
t.r.mcloughlin
> (White Tornado Jr. ) wrote:
> >He said base model Mustang. Power to weight between the convert v-6
> >Mustang and the Miata is vast and it's in the Miata's favor.
> >Personally I wouldn't want to drive a Miata just for the stigma.
> What stigma?
Oh, the convertible hair, the incessant smile, that sort of thing.
trm
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While not wanting to put gas on the fire but at least my Miata is not Fix Or
Repair Daily.
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>>: Personally I wouldn't want to drive a Miata just for the stigma.
>> ^^^^^^
>>
>>What stigma is this?
>
>
>
j...@mindspring.cob
> >What stigma is this?)
> The stigma of being a sissy.
Hot damn! If all the smiles from folks of the feminine persuasion are
a result of my new-found sissyhood, then just color me delicate!
John "you can call me whatever you like as I drive away with your
girl" Miller
--
Grant Deyenberg
As a current Miata owner who had a 87 GT5.0 Mustang from new and finally
sold it, I have to say that they are both great cars but have very different
uses.
The GT 5.0 was a good option in 87 because there effectively were no
inexpensive sports cars on the market (in Canada). Then, I needed a GT style
cat that could haul ass across the Prairies - 2 lanes at 150kph all day and
1000 km days. (I was marketing software to rural vet clinics). Also, still
had sons and girlfriends with kids so I needed more than 1 passenger seat.
Besides, it is fun blowing off Posches and Supras (driven by green kids)
coming away from stoplights.
I finally decided to get rid of the Mustang because it encouraged me to
drive too fast around town and was not refined enough in its handling. (It
is the fastest truck that Ford builds.)
Now I develop software and commute by modem. I drive only for pleasure in
the foothills and the mountains. I often drive alone and at most have one
passenger. I started looking for a van to haul my sportsbike and ended up
buying a Miata because I couldn't stand something that didn't handle. My
first new car was an MGB (63) and I drove an Alfa 1750 GTV in Europe for
nearly 10 years so I understand cars that handle.
The Miata handles almost as well as my CBR900RR and that is a high
compliment. You just think it through corners. Following cars just fade away
in the twisties. And around town, it will blow off just about anything with
an automatic transmission - which is just about everything these days.
The amazing thing to me is the number of middle performance cars and pickup
trucks that want to race the Miata. And the look of astonishment I get when
I sit waiting for them at the next light. Real racers aren't a problem,
because they know they can beat a Miata in a straight line.
For the money, you can't buy a better handling car than a Miata. But before
you buy one you need to be sure you can live with a single passenger seat,
poor comfort on really long trips and a lot of ignorant barge drivers that
want to race the cute little car. BTW, I'm 6'4" and 210 so I am a marginal
fit - but the pain is worth the gain.
Grant Deyenberg
Lucifer
>
Eric Moon
I guess I had that coming. Let me apologize as well as elaborate.
1. I'm sorry to all those well educated folk(men and women) who chose a
Mustang based on just plain liking the car, its
power/room/styling/classic American heritage, etc... My Dad a 70's-ish
Mach One, as well as an MG, Jag, BMW and other cars while I was growing
up. I NEVER SAID I DON'T LIKE MUSTANGS!!!.
2. I just learned how to use these NG's (and all the cute acronyms) and
my ignorance and newbie-ness caused me to ignore the headers and see
that these messages are being cross-posted or whatever the correct
terminology is. From now on, I'll make a note of who is reading this
stuff!
3. Go women in cars!!!! I love women who appreciate cars of any sort,
which is probably why most of you are here! My fiancee is a competent
driver and autocrosser; I have great respect for her as a woman and
driver. The fact that the Miata is often referred to or viewed as a
'cute car' or 'girl's car' led me to make the 'big balls' statement.
You see, I live here in central PA, where 'real men' drive Mustangs and
Camaros. No, forget that---'real men' out here drive a TRUCK (and not
some silly SUV, either) adorned with at least one of the following
'manly' accessories: a: Gun Rack b:Stars and Bars Flag in back
window c:Bug Deflector with Truck's Name d: Bedful of Beercans.
Anyway, it is from these examples of TROLLS that I derive the notion of
vehicles makling up for shortcomings. Sorry it offended some. Does
anybody remember the Hyundai commercial, a few years back, which depicts
two women at the entrance of some posh establishment, watching men
arrive in euro-exotic sports cars? The women rate the men by their
cars, and the line 'definitely making up for shortcomings' is uttered
when a man pulls up in a black Lamborghini. This is the kind of humor I
was aiming for. My intention is not to start a flame war, whatever that
is, anyway.
I, by the way, am quite secure with myself and my choice of vehicle :-)
Dulcinea West wrote:
> Eric Moon <moo...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >Anyway, Mustangs are all fine and good if you need a bigger car and
> >especially the GT if you need more American horses and noise to make
> up
> >for any personal sshortcomings.
>
> Why do you feel the need to insult Mustang owners? There is absolutely
>
> NO merit to your "make up for any personal sshortcomings [sic]"
> statement. That kind of insult is unwarranted and only succeeds in
> making you look like a boorish jerk.
>
> >IMHO, it takes a guy with big balls to
> >drive a small, light car with a small engine, that others can't help
> >describe as "cute".
>
> It doesn't take a guy with big balls, us women can drive Miatae too,
> sans balls and everything.
>
> >So, if you like Mustangs, talk about them elsewhere....I'm sure they
> >have their own NG.
>
> They do, and guess what? The article you wrote was crossposted to it.
> Had you bothered to check the headers you would have found that this
> topic is being discussed on the following three groups:
>
> rec.autos.misc
> rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
> rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
>
> >No offense meant to the Pony-Car guys....honest.
>
> Excepting of course, the snide remark you made. Hey you're a big
> smarmy asshole! But no offense meant... honest.
>
> I love my Miata and will probably never buy a Mustang because it's not
>
> the car for me. But I see no need for you to belittle Mustang owners
> in
> an article crossposted to their newsgroup. All that will do is set off
>
> a flamewar.
>
> Dulcinea
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A.Yeu
My girlfriend owns a 1990 Miata, and my sister has a 1996 Miata
I have a 1997 Mustang GT... I've driven all three so here's my opinion
on the pros and cons of these vehicles. (i'll opt out of the
insurance discussion because i'm in Canada and I don't know what it's
like in the states).
The Mustang GT has plenty more power, is definitely a fun car to do
things such as launching/burnouts/drag racing and cruising around in.
However, the car has plenty of body roll (tons), the shifter is big
and clumsy, and the build quality of the interior is not fantastic.
Now you said you were looking at the Base model Mustang Convertible.
Basically what you're looking at is a car that has all the above cons,
but none of the above pluses. Basically you're looking at a pretty
crappy drivers car.. it's only good for the drop-top feature, and the
ability to carry 4 while doing so.
In addition, I think the 15" wheels look like crap, and so does the
single turn down exhaust pipe. It just looks cheap, like a rental
car.
Now the Miata is a great car in most respects. The build quality
appears to be fantastic, although my sister's 96 suffers from the odd
problem.. (ie. turn signal lamp burnt out at 4000 kms, brake discs are
turning orange (is this normal?)). Generally, inside and out the
build quality is great.
Stock, the car handles great. Very little body roll, get to toss it
around, plus the bonus of RWD. A lot of imports don't have that. The
shifter is also another plus of it - it is tiny and is very small in
travel. Before I got my B&M ripper on my mustang I thought it was the
neatest shifter on the planet.
Power is slightly lacking, but sufficient. This car isn't for stop
light drag racing, but it is really fun to go cruising up mountain
roads, or driving around downtown at night with the top down.
If you're comparing the Mustang base convert to the Miata, the miata
wins in every category. I think base mustangs without a dual-exhaust
conversion, 17" wheels, a spoiler and some foglamps are the cheapest
looking cars on the road.
>
> Howdy, I am currently looking at different convertibles in the 20-24k
>price range, and wanted to hear peoples pros and cons on these vehicles.
>The Mustang GT insurance premiums turn me off bigtime, so I'm looking more
>at the base model Mustang. How does the premiums for the Miata stack up
>against these two?
>
>loc
>l...@slac.com
>
97 GT
White Tornado Jr.
>should make the difference.. toss in an automatic to that Mustang and
>the driver will be seeing Miata tail lights..
A convertable v-6 Mustang? I don't think so.
My money is on the Miata.
White Tornado Jr.
> ^^^^^^
>
>What stigma is this?
The stigma of being a sissy.
White Tornado Jr.
The stigma that you are driving a girls car. (e.g. you are queerbait)
Ditto the Boxster.
Ditto the Z3.
Ditto any other car that is cute for the sake of being cute.
Yuck.
Rexven
>>What stigma?
While I have heard the Miata referred to as a girls car, I have never
heard the Z3 nor the Boxster referred to that way... The new VW bug is
a pretty good candidate for the moniker as is the VW Cabriolet.
Terbo
>>What stigma?
>
>The stigma that you are driving a girls car. (e.g. you are queerbait)
>
>Ditto the Boxster.
>
>Ditto the Z3.
>
>Ditto any other car that is cute for the sake of being cute.
>
>Yuck.
>
Shame on you. You of all people should not be pointing fingers at "Girl cars".
The car I've heard being called a girl car the most is without question the
Eclipse/Talon. While I don't agree, you got your 'nads calling the kettle
black.
Nick Horianopoulos
Ahh, I see that White Turdnado is up to his well-documented
flame-bait/trollboy tricks again. Pay no mind to this crybaby, folks,
he's legendary for spouting brainless twaddle like this across the
newsgroups he pollutes with his presence.
Hey, Turdnado, you heard from David Lyons lately? Forge any messages
from him trying to make him look bad? Get tossed by your ISP again?
Putz.
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Remember, a Winner is a Loser with bad memory... He forgets to quit!
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If you're gonna e-mail me, you gotta rip off the "K" in "Koncentric" and
change it to "c."
Gary H
wrote:
>>Ditto the Boxster.
>>Ditto the Z3.
>>Ditto any other car that is cute for the sake of being cute.
>
>While I have heard the Miata referred to as a girls car, I have never
>heard the Z3 nor the Boxster referred to that way... The new VW bug is
>a pretty good candidate for the moniker as is the VW Cabriolet.
The Cabriolet is the best girly car out there! Whenever I see on in
traffic, I just know it will be driven by a cute girl about my age.
94 White Firebird Formula
A4 3.23, K&N, Edelbrock Cat-Back
13.66 @ 100.56 MPH
David Lyons
>
> While not wanting to put gas on the fire but at
> least my Miata is not Fix Or Repair Daily.
Neither are any of my Fords, Schmuck.
Dave
David Lyons
>
> >What stigma?
>
> The stigma that you are driving a girls car. (e.g. you are queerbait)
>
>
> Ditto the Z3.
>
> Ditto any other car that is cute for the sake of being cute.
>
I've never seen any females driving a Z3. What I have seen on regular
occasions are DSMs being driven by girls. Cute ones, too.
Dave
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David Lyons wrote in message <35C1AA2C...@atl.hp.com>...
LeAnne Davis
>
> >: Personally I wouldn't want to drive a Miata just for the stigma.
> > ^^^^^^
> >What stigma is this?
>
> The stigma of being a sissy.
How - er - interesting...my spousal unit (and, he ain't no sissy!) wants the
following vehicles:
Ford Expedition
Mazda Miata
I want (I ain't no sissy either):
Cobra ragtop
Model T or early Model A
L
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>
> >What stigma?
>
> The stigma that you are driving a girls car. (e.g. you are queerbait)
girl's car? WT, you are a pig! There ain't no such thing as a girl's car, unless
you are talking about the pink caddies driven by Mary Kay folks & those might be
considered "girl cars" since dang near 100% are driven by women...
BTW, most of my female friends prefer pickup trucks to cars....Of course, we are
mostly in rural areas....
LeAnne Davis
>
> You see, I live here in central PA, where 'real men' drive Mustangs &
> Camaros. No, forget that---'real men' out here drive a TRUCK (and not
> some silly SUV, either) adorned with at least one of the following
> 'manly' accessories: a: Gun Rack b:Stars and Bars Flag in back
> window c:Bug Deflector with Truck's Name d: Bedful of Beercans.
Are you sure you're in PA? Sounds an awful lot like Texas....
Of course, lots of 'real women' drive pick-up trucks as well...They can be awful
handy for haulin' hay & going shoppin' <grin>
Chris Matthaei
>>No offense meant to the Pony-Car guys....honest.
>>
No.
Gary H
wrote:
>Eric Moon wrote:
>>
>> You see, I live here in central PA, where 'real men' drive Mustangs &
>> Camaros. No, forget that---'real men' out here drive a TRUCK (and not
>> some silly SUV, either) adorned with at least one of the following
>> 'manly' accessories: a: Gun Rack b:Stars and Bars Flag in back
>> window c:Bug Deflector with Truck's Name d: Bedful of Beercans.
>
>
>Are you sure you're in PA? Sounds an awful lot like Texas....
>
>Of course, lots of 'real women' drive pick-up trucks as well...They can be awful
>handy for haulin' hay & going shoppin' <grin>
I'm in New Jersey. 'Real Men' don't have to drive Mustangs/Camaros/
or trucks. If they do, thats fine, but if they do it because they
want that image, I think they have some problems.
Rexven
>>No offense meant to the Pony-Car guys....honest.
>>
>Pony-Car... hehehe. Do I have permition to use that one to insult somebody?
That's the problem with America.. always bringing ponies to a
thoroughbred competition ;)
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slowcarfasterbike
wrote:
>TheWhit...@yahoo.com (White Tornado Jr. ) wrote:
>
Everyone please ignore White Tornado. Please. He is notorious on the
Mistubishi, Honda and VW newsgroups for stirring up flame wars, and
generally posting trash about how one car is *way* faster than
another.
Blech. I am surprised I actually saw his posting. My killfile must
have expired on White Tornado... time to go fix it.
Slowcarfasterbike
aka stuar...@geocities.com
93 Passat GLX, 93 Mazda Miata
DoD #2057 (Denizens of Doom)
VPOG #1 (Volkswagen Passat Owners Group)
AAAAA #147 (American Association Against Acronym Abuse
slowcarfasterbike
Tornado Jr. ) wrote:
>>: Personally I wouldn't want to drive a Miata just for the stigma.
>> ^^^^^^
>>
>>What stigma is this?
>
>The stigma of being a sissy.
>
Here are Mr. Tornado's recent postings, and that is only since he has
been posting from WhiteT...@Yahoo.com
1200 rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
137 rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled
103 alt.autos.camaro.firebird
101 rec.autos.makers.honda
68 alt.autos.corvette
20 rec.autos.rotary
6 alt.autos.mitsubishi
4 rec.autos.misc
2 rec.autos.makers.chrysler
2 rec.photo.equipment.35mm
1 alt.autos.camaro
1 alt.feminism
1 alt.places.tybee.island
1 rec.autos.4x4
I guarantee if you do a search on Mr. Tornado's postings in DejaNews,
you will quickly see the quality of his postings. It is also
interesting to note that he drives/drove a Ford Escort. Probably a
gift from his parents so he could have a car while a Senior in high
school.
And as nos...@spamco.com he posted the following:
144 rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
52 rec.aviation.homebuilt
8 comp.lang.c++
8 rec.autos.makers.honda
8 rec.pets.cats.community
7 alt.autos.mitsubishi
6 alt.fan.john-denver
4 alt.music.indigo-girls
4 rec.autos.driving
3 alt.activism
3 alt.flame
3 misc.consumers.frugal-living
2 alt.motorcycles.harley
2 rec.audio.marketplace
1 alt.aol-sucks
1 rec.autos.sport.nascar
1 rec.music.beatles
Finally, I dug up these interesting tidbits:
------
> This is who he is:
>
> White Tornado = Anthony Bielobockie 904-886-4706 Jacksonville,
> Florida.
>
------
The Great White Tornado?
Anthony Bielobockie
WhiteT...@mindspring.com
Mindspring Enterprises Inc
---
"Levi Owens" <le...@southeast.net> wrote:
"The White Tornado is a Sr. OO Developer who works for my consulting
firm.
He is a very intelligent individual, but I think he has a little too
much
time on his hands if he persists in messing with your group. I think
he
needs to dedicate more time to his wife.
I'll sell more info to the highest bidder."
-----
slowcarfasterbike
"
His previous Phone number was 1-803-799-8353
1637 Enoree Ave. Columbia SC 29205
M1 Spgfld <m1sp...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19971020024...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> White Tornado/Dead Ed. Is Anthony Bielobockie, Jacksonville, Florida.
> Phone#(904) 886-4706 Call him. Address coming later. (Promise!) Have
Fun!"
------------
I got all of the above information from Dejanews from Mr. Tornado's previous
fun during January 1, 1997 to Dec. 1, 1997. It must have been pretty bad,
because the whole mustang group, plus bob denver fans, homebuilt aircraft,
general aviation and volkswagen groups were out to kill him. The above
info. was the best they could do, except killfile him.
Mustang Marty
White Tornado Jr. wrote in message <35c12400....@NEWS3.IBM.NET>...
>>What stigma?
>
>The stigma that you are driving a girls car. (e.g. you are queerbait)
>
>
>Ditto the Z3.
>
>Ditto any other car that is cute for the sake of being cute.
>
>Yuck.
Nope....VW Cabrios and newer Civics that aren't riced out....
Frank Kurucz
>
> White Tornado Jr. wrote:
> >
> > >What stigma?
> >
> > The stigma that you are driving a girls car. (e.g. you are queerbait)
>
> you are talking about the pink caddies driven by Mary Kay folks & those might be
> considered "girl cars" since dang near 100% are driven by women...
FWIW, the market research arms of the big 3 (and others as well)
go to great pains to make cars that appeal specifically to women.
This should not come as a suprise, as women are buying cars
for themselves in greater numbers than ever before. Ever notice
how some cars have vanity mirrors on the driver side sun visor
and others do not?
Frank
dnull
of Mazda. So no matter which one you buy Mr. Ford gets his cut.
Biggest advantage to me of the Miata is 2 seats :-). If the urge hits to have
more passengers then I can use the wife's Jimmy (95 2wd. She special ordered it
that way so I wouldn't take it camping and get it stuck out in the wilderness.)
Full coverage AAA auto insurance is less for the Miata than the Jimmy, 3 vehicles
2 drivers.
Duane & Dianne
96 Montego Blue, PEP
No name yet.
CBRrider
White Tornado Jr. <TheWhit...@yahoo.com> wrote in article
<35c123a6....@NEWS3.IBM.NET>...
> >: Personally I wouldn't want to drive a Miata just for the stigma.
> > ^^^^^^
> >
> >What stigma is this?
>
> The stigma of being a sissy.
>
>
So you are saying the only way to confirm your manhood is to buy a mustang?
That is the stereo type people have of mustang owners.... Funny how that
works out.
94GTConv
>Biggest advantage to me of the Miata is 2 seats :-). If the urge hits to have
>more passengers then I can use the wife's Jimmy
When I first bought my mustang, I wanted to name it Jimmy, after Jimmy Page
(Led Zeppelin guitarist extraordinaire). I didn't because I figured most
people would either think I was confusing my car for the big vehicle known as
the Jimmy, or it would validate the "buying a car for personal shortcomings"
argument. Ha.
--
Pony on!
-Jonathan
1994 Mustang GT Convertible, Triple Black
www.unf.edu/~jmaton/mustang
jma...@unf.edu
CBRrider
> I've never seen any females driving a Z3. What I have seen on regular
> occasions are DSMs being driven by girls. Cute ones, too.
>
likes the big phalic wing =]
Jamey Johnston
>go to great pains to make cars that appeal specifically to women.
>This should not come as a suprise, as women are buying cars
>for themselves in greater numbers than ever before. Ever notice
>how some cars have vanity mirrors on the driver side sun visor
>and others do not?
They should market this as a "safety feature" (read on)
You see, when I've seen women driving and putting on makeup (I always see a
couple each week on the way to work), they usually adjust the rearview
mirror to see themselves. Having a drivers side vanity mirror is actually
safer, because your peripheral vision is still OK to the front, and if you
want to see directly behind you can glance at the rearview mirror and see
back there.
Leroy Curtis
>May be wrong, but think I have read somewhere that Ford Motor Company owns ~10%
>of Mazda.
33%, which under Japanese law gives them a controlling interest. So
Henry gets an even bigger cut than you thought.
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>
>
> White Tornado Jr. <TheWhit...@yahoo.com> wrote in article
> <35c123a6....@NEWS3.IBM.NET>...
>> >: Personally I wouldn't want to drive a Miata just for the stigma.
>> The stigma of being a sissy.
> So you are saying the only way to confirm your manhood is to buy a mustang?
> That is the stereo type people have of mustang owners.... Funny how that
> works out.
Let's not forget the vanity mirror (driver's side) in the '94 GT.
See other post for reference :-)
Frank (the other Frank, darnit!)
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Matt.
dnull wrote in message <35C21C03...@value.net>...
>May be wrong, but think I have read somewhere that Ford Motor Company owns
~10%
>of Mazda. So no matter which one you buy Mr. Ford gets his cut.
>
White Tornado Jr.
>While not wanting to put gas on the fire but at least my Miata is not Fix Or
>Repair Daily.
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>White Tornado Jr. wrote in message <35c123a6....@NEWS3.IBM.NET>...
>>>: Personally I wouldn't want to drive a Miata just for the stigma.
>>> ^^^^^^
White Tornado Jr.
>flame-bait/trollboy tricks again. Pay no mind to this crybaby, folks,
>he's legendary for spouting brainless twaddle like this across the
>newsgroups he pollutes with his presence.
Nope. Someone else cross posted this one. I didn't even know until
this little thread developed.
But it is nice to see you again Nick.
White Tornado Jr.
a hobby.
The Escort is bitch'n
White Tornado Jr.
> That is the stereo type people have of mustang owners.... Funny how that
>works out.
The only way to *REALLY* show your manhood is to shave your head bald
and get a middle 80s Corvette.
White Tornado Jr.
>The car I've heard being called a girl car the most is without question the
>Eclipse/Talon. While I don't agree, you got your 'nads calling the kettle
>black.
Thats what all those Muscle Car guys say when I dominate the street
car lanes at the local strip. Man you whipped my ass in a girls car!
Woo wee!
Doof
White Tornado Jr.
>you are talking about the pink caddies driven by Mary Kay folks & those might be
>considered "girl cars" since dang near 100% are driven by women...
>
>mostly in rural areas....
I didn't think about that, BUT probably the most popular "girls car"
is the Ford Expd and Chev Suburban.
What is the sense of using a 6000lb truck to carry one skinny (or in
my area fat) chick? I don't get it
White Tornado Jr.
>The car I've heard being called a girl car the most is without question the
>Eclipse/Talon. While I don't agree, you got your 'nads calling the kettle
>black.
The most without question popular girls car in this part of the
country is the 6 cyl F-body.
They are like cockroaches here.
White Tornado Jr.
>fun during January 1, 1997 to Dec. 1, 1997. It must have been pretty bad,
>because the whole mustang group, plus bob denver fans, homebuilt aircraft,
>general aviation and volkswagen groups were out to kill him. The above
>info. was the best they could do, except killfile him.
You are wussie. Get back into your girls car and drive away.
This Olde Sailer
Sahara and use it for grocery shopping and picking up your kids from school.
Subic Sailor
LeAnne Davis wrote in message <35C1E326...@ti.com>...
:White Tornado Jr. wrote:
:>
:> >What stigma?
:>
:> The stigma that you are driving a girls car. (e.g. you are queerbait)
:girl's car? WT, you are a pig! There ain't no such thing as a girl's car,
unless
:you are talking about the pink caddies driven by Mary Kay folks & those
might be
:considered "girl cars" since dang near 100% are driven by women...
What about a pink convertible VW Ghia? Totally clean and ready to roll.
Seen a few of these, or really close, never a male behind the wheel.
Wonder why? : {)
:BTW, most of my female friends prefer pickup trucks to cars....Of course,
we are
:mostly in rural areas....
:
:
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Subic Sailor
slowcarfasterbike wrote in message <35c41125.22510691@news>...
:On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:54:04 GMT, TheWhit...@yahoo.com (White
:Tornado Jr. ) wrote:
:
:>>: Personally I wouldn't want to drive a Miata just for the stigma.
:>> ^^^^^^
:>>
:>>What stigma is this?
:>
:>The stigma of being a sissy.
:>
:
:Here are Mr. Tornado's recent postings, and that is only since he has
Joe Breitenbach
Joe
Gary H wrote:
> I'm in New Jersey. 'Real Men' don't have to drive Mustangs/Camaros/
> or trucks. If they do, thats fine, but if they do it because they
> want that image, I think they have some problems.
>
> 94 White Firebird Formula
> A4 3.23, K&N, Edelbrock Cat-Back
> 13.66 @ 100.56 MPH
John D. Ford
> May be wrong, but think I have read somewhere that Ford Motor Company owns ~10%
> of Mazda. So no matter which one you buy Mr. Ford gets his cut.
I'm still waiting for the cheque :)
People used to wonder about the FORD banner in the windshield of my
'77 Honda. Handy being able to buy all sorts of car accessories with
your name on it :)
/jdf
John D. Ford
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Remove SPAM and convert DOT
Gary H
<jeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>In Jersey, even Real Men can't legally pump their own gas, eh? ;)
>
>Joe
>
>
>Gary H wrote:
>> I'm in New Jersey. 'Real Men' don't have to drive Mustangs/Camaros/
>> or trucks. If they do, thats fine, but if they do it because they
>> want that image, I think they have some problems.
Last week we were in a rush to get down to a club in Belmar. We
stopped to get gas, and the station was a bit crowded, so one of my
friends jumped out and pumped my gas. The damn guy got all pissed
off, and started being a real dick about it. Is that really the law?
If so, the least they could do is not let the station get backed
up....
Stangerize
Get a Miata and put a 5.0 engine in it. I saw a show where a guy was building
these and selling them. He was calling them "Monster Miata". He said the motors
fit right in, and the frame is sturdy enough to handle it. Plus, with a few
mods you'll be running right with Vipers and AC Cobras. Now that's performance.
Jim {{94 GT Mustang 5 Spd. Rio Red, }}
9.43 @ 75.5 in 1/8 -- 14.65 @ 93 in 1/4 - B4 gears
Mods -- Removed air silencer, K&N, UD pulleys, B&M Ripper shifter, SSM Lift
Bars, Sub-Frame conn., 2 Chambers, H-pipes, Alum. pedals, Ram-air hood, 3.73's
Nick Horianopoulos
Funny; you are like a cockroach everywhere you post. Don't you think it's
indicative of some sort of severe mental disease that you take sick pride in
offending so many people you don't know?
I do!
--
Niko
Remember, a Winner is a Loser with bad memory... He forgets to quit!
http://www.concentric.net/~Greek/
If you're gonna e-mail me, you gotta rip off the "K" in "Koncentric" and change it
to "c."
Gary H
A Monster Miata is verrry expensive to build properly. Its a little
more diffucult then you say, weight distrubution is way off etc....
Subic Sailor
Gary H wrote in message <35c2c14c...@news.injersey.infi.net>...
About $50,000 complete with a new Miata. At least that was what it took a
few years ago.
Lots of power..YES.
They would even install a supercharger if your wallet could handle it. Now
that's scary and inviting to dream of driving.... If anyone has one of
these and would like to let me drive it please email me ASAP, ok.
I wonder if they could squeeze a 351 in there? Opinions anyone?
Off to the cold showers....
:
:94 White Firebird Formula
Joe Breitenbach
still against the law to pump your own gasoline there. The guy probably
got pissed because he's the one who'd be liable if he got caught.
BTW, is Baby O's still down in Seaside?
Joe
Gary H wrote:
> Last week we were in a rush to get down to a club in Belmar. We
> stopped to get gas, and the station was a bit crowded, so one of my
> friends jumped out and pumped my gas. The damn guy got all pissed
> off, and started being a real dick about it. Is that really the law?
> If so, the least they could do is not let the station get backed
> up....
>
White Tornado Jr.
>>these and selling them. He was calling them "Monster Miata". He said the motors
>>fit right in, and the frame is sturdy enough to handle it. Plus, with a few
>>mods you'll be running right with Vipers and AC Cobras. Now that's performance.
>>
>>Jim {{94 GT Mustang 5 Spd. Rio Red, }}
>>9.43 @ 75.5 in 1/8 -- 14.65 @ 93 in 1/4 - B4 gears
>>Mods -- Removed air silencer, K&N, UD pulleys, B&M Ripper shifter, SSM Lift
>>Bars, Sub-Frame conn., 2 Chambers, H-pipes, Alum. pedals, Ram-air hood, 3.73's
>
>A Monster Miata is verrry expensive to build properly. Its a little
>more diffucult then you say, weight distrubution is way off etc....
There is someone else installing twin turbo rotaries in the Miata too.
From what I understand the rotary weighs about the same as the Miata
1.8L and in that form puts out about 300hp.
There is dyno chart on a hot rod shop site from Miami with a TT wankle
making 380? at the rear wheels. 2200lbs @ 380hp at the wheels.
That has to be scary.
White Tornado Jr.
>indicative of some sort of severe mental disease that you take sick pride in
>offending so many people you don't know?
>
>I do!
>
>--
>Niko
Hi Nick. I like you. You may be the only person with a last name
that is stupider than mine. If you look back carefully in this
thread, you will clearly see that I wasn't the person that cross
posted.
For all I knew, I was posting my opinion of the Miata to the Mustang
group. Further, check out the most recent threads in the RX-7 list.
Lots of people calling the Miata names. And I'm not even
participating in that thread.
Jim Carr
}
} You see, I live here in central PA, where 'real men' drive Mustangs &
} Camaros. No, forget that---'real men' out here drive a TRUCK (and not
} some silly SUV, either) adorned with at least one of the following
} 'manly' accessories: a: Gun Rack b:Stars and Bars Flag in back
} window c:Bug Deflector with Truck's Name d: Bedful of Beercans.
LeAnne Davis <leanne...@ti.com> writes:
>
>Are you sure you're in PA? Sounds an awful lot like Texas....
Except in Texas they probably know that that flag is very likely
_not_ the "Stars and Bars". It is extremely rare to see anything
except the battle flag/ensign anywhere, even in the south.
Extra points if it has a "Don't blame me, I voted for Jefferson Davis"
bumper sticker _and_ a dashboard crown. ;-)
Note reduced followups....
--
James A. Carr <j...@scri.fsu.edu> | Commercial e-mail is _NOT_
http://www.scri.fsu.edu/~jac/ | desired to this or any address
Supercomputer Computations Res. Inst. | that resolves to my account
Florida State, Tallahassee FL 32306 | for any reason at any time.
Nick Horianopoulos
> >Funny; you are like a cockroach everywhere you post. Don't you think it's
> >indicative of some sort of severe mental disease that you take sick pride in
> >offending so many people you don't know?
> >
> >I do!
> >
> >--
> >Niko
>
> Hi Nick. I like you. You may be the only person with a last name
> that is stupider than mine. If you look back carefully in this
> thread, you will clearly see that I wasn't the person that cross
> posted.
>
Amazing. You actually made fun of my NAME! I'd suspect that your repertoire of
insults suffered a major catastrophic loss in the fifth grade -- Is that the
best you can do? You aren't afflicted with head-injury brain dysfunction, are
you?
>
>
>
> For all I knew, I was posting my opinion of the Miata to the Mustang
> group. Further, check out the most recent threads in the RX-7 list.
> Lots of people calling the Miata names. And I'm not even
> participating in that thread.
So we're supposed to ignore your flame in our (Miata) group, simply because:
A. you claim to be too lame-brained to read the newsgroup posting locations in
the top of your header (what a crock -- you knew what you were doing)
B. and other people in other groups are doing it?
MarcW
>
> White Tornado Jr. wrote:
> >
> > >What stigma?
> >
> > The stigma that you are driving a girls car. (e.g. you are queerbait)
> >
> >
> > Ditto the Z3.
> >
> > Ditto any other car that is cute for the sake of being cute.
> >
> > Yuck.
>
> I've never seen any females driving a Z3. What I have seen on regular
> occasions are DSMs being driven by girls. Cute ones, too.
>
> Dave
Hi Dave.
I've seen females driving Z3s. In fact, I've seen females driving just
about anything under the sun.
Sincerely,
MarcW.
Gary H
<jeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>I've been out of Jersey for 10 years (thank God!) now, but I think it's
>still against the law to pump your own gasoline there. The guy probably
>got pissed because he's the one who'd be liable if he got caught.
>
>BTW, is Baby O's still down in Seaside?
>
>Joe
Baby O's ? Never heard of it. I don't goto Seaside at night, its
boring down there. No good clubs to speak of, and the boardwalk is
filled with 15 and 16 year-olds trying to act 21. MTV is filming from
Seaside, so thats the only draw down there this year. I goto Belmar
every weekend (went last night also) to a club called 'Bar-A' (Bar
Anticipation).
Joe Breitenbach
Joe
Subic Sailor
Rexven wrote in message <6q32mk$mrp$4...@camel25.mindspring.com>...
:MarcW <ma...@pop1.ibm.net> wrote:
:
:>I've seen females driving Z3s. In fact, I've seen females driving just
:>about anything under the sun.
:>Sincerely,
:> MarcW.
:Curiosity, has ANYONE ever seen a male driving a Suzuki X-90????
How about a straight male? :o
<flame jacket on> pun intended
(You
:know, the cute little rebodied tracker with T-tops and a trunk? It
:sorta looks like a Del Sol that's been jacked up)
:
:
:...................
:Due to budget constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel is being
removed-mgmnt.
:
:
:
:
:Remove *nolamers* to e-mail.
:
Ron Loewy
Didn't it win some magazine's car that most resembles a Nike show award ?
Ron.
Rexven wrote in message <6q32mk$mrp$4...@camel25.mindspring.com>...
>MarcW <ma...@pop1.ibm.net> wrote:
>
>>I've seen females driving Z3s. In fact, I've seen females driving just
>>about anything under the sun.
>>Sincerely,
>> MarcW.
>
>Curiosity, has ANYONE ever seen a male driving a Suzuki X-90???? (You