Powerdyne on a stock 93 LX 5.0 AOD
Data
Is it worth putting a power dyne 6lb supercharger on a stock 93 LX
AOD engine.
I would like to open the exhaust to for better flow of gases !!
Data
jeff conrad
Is it worth it to who? You? If you wanna go faster and have the $,
sure. My aod 88 picked up 9 tenths and 7mph in the quarter. This was
with 2.73's and the tranny slipping madly. This winter i will be
putting in another AOD, this one built with a shift kit, and 3.73's.
Then other mods like roller rockers and headers. This is with 6lbs
(actually 5 measured on a gauge). I will also upgrade to 9 lbs with
a pulley (probably more like 7 or 8).
Is anyone running 9lbs without boost retard? I run 10 degrees and 93
octane now with 5#, but feel 9lbs will be too much and i will want
boost retard.
If you do get a blower, try to beef up the tranny (atleast a shift
kit) and get some gears out back.
Jeff
Andrew Abbate
assuming you don't have excessive mileage on the engine (do a leakdown)
then the kit it a great mod. I recently put a 9# kit on my '94GT along
with 30# injectors and a custom Chris Johnson chip and it runs GREAT. I
can light 'em up at 35 in 2nd w/o touching clutch... Just make sure you
have some traction in that thing. Blowers are hell on first and second
gear!
I agree on the exhaust. I run BBK unequal length ceramics (1 5/8ths) into
stocks cats and through 2.5" Borla cat back. I'm dying for high-flow cats.
Data <abc...@abc.com> wrote in article <349c963d...@nntp.cts.com>...
Gary Henderson
On 19 Dec 1997 06:25:09 GMT, "Andrew Abbate" <aab...@xtend.net>
wrote:
>assuming you don't have excessive mileage on the engine (do a leakdown)
>then the kit it a great mod. I recently put a 9# kit on my '94GT along
>with 30# injectors and a custom Chris Johnson chip and it runs GREAT. I
>can light 'em up at 35 in 2nd w/o touching clutch... Just make sure you
>have some traction in that thing. Blowers are hell on first and second
>gear!
But what about his AOD? Shouldn't he beef that up, perhaps a shift
kit etc?
94 White Firebird Formula
A4 3.23, K&N, Edelbrock Cat-Back
13.66 @ 100.56 MPH
MTBMW
>But what about his AOD? Shouldn't he beef that up, perhaps a shift
>kit etc?
I'd go with a shift kit and possibly new torque convertor. You could even go as
far a harden 3-4 input shaft but I think that's overkill.
Ryan
good day
On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:33:38 GMT, abc...@abc.com (Data ) wrote:
>
> Is it worth putting a power dyne 6lb supercharger on a stock 93 LX
>AOD engine.
> I would like to open the exhaust to for better flow of gases !!
>
>Data
I too have a stock 93 LX automatic and was wondering if i should just
add the power dyne super charger or add engine parts from 93 Cobra
that i found in the Ford High performance catalog.
Either way i'm going to beef up the suspension and add a shift kit.
The gears will probly stay stock cause i do freeway and street
driving. Mostly freeway tho!!!!
Dave_...@vos.stratus.com
In article <34ac9a89...@nntp.cts.com> abc...@abc.com (good day) wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:33:38 GMT, abc...@abc.com (Data ) wrote:
>> Is it worth putting a power dyne 6lb supercharger on a stock 93 LX AOD
>> engine. I would like to open the exhaust to for better flow of gases!!
>
> add the power dyne super charger or add engine parts from 93 Cobra
> that i found in the Ford High performance catalog.
>
> Either way i'm going to beef up the suspension and add a shift kit.
> The gears will probly stay stock cause i do freeway and street
> driving. Mostly freeway tho!!!!
You might want to think about getting a better AOD. The stock Ford
AODs aren't that tough and will not be able to handle any kind of
serious power.
At the very least, you should put in a transmission cooler before in-
stalling a supercharger - this'll greatly extend its life.
-Dave
good day
purchase the AOD kit in the Ford catalog.
Have you had good luck with AOD shift kits and what gear should i
use?????
Dave_...@vos.stratus.com
In article <34ac12d8...@nntp.cts.com> abc...@abc.com (good day) wrote:
>> You might want to think about getting a better AOD. The stock Ford
>> AODs aren't that tough and will not be able to handle any kind of
>> serious power.
>>
>> At the very least, you should put in a transmission cooler before in-
>> stalling a supercharger - this'll greatly extend its life.
>
> I understand that shift kits work well with 5.0L. It was suggested i
> purchase the AOD kit in the Ford catalog.
> Have you had good luck with AOD shift kits and what gear should i
> use?????
I could be wrong but I think a shift kit just changes when and how the
transmission shifts - they do nothing for how much abuse the thing can
take before melting down. The 2/97 issue of MM&FF has a decent article
on what's wrong with the stock Ford AOD and what can be done about it.
As to gears, I got a complete, brand new transmission (AOD, torque con-
verter, cooler, EVERYTHING) from Art Carr with the Low Gear Set option.
The stock Ford ratios and the ones I have are..
gear Ford Carr
1st 2.40 2.84
2nd 1.47 1.55
3rd 1.00 1.00
OD 0.67 0.67
.so I'm quicker faster off the line than a stock AOD. That and the 3.73
rear end and the engine mods also mean the car loves to do burnouts and
anything over 1/2 throttle produces 2nd gear chirps more often than the
local police care for.. :)
-Dave
Ben Frazier
Dave_...@vos.stratus.com wrote in article
<68hb4r$4...@transfer.stratus.com>...
> In article <34ac12d8...@nntp.cts.com> abc...@abc.com (good day)
wrote:
[snip]
> I could be wrong but I think a shift kit just changes when and how the
> transmission shifts - they do nothing for how much abuse the thing can
> take before melting down. The 2/97 issue of MM&FF has a decent article
> on what's wrong with the stock Ford AOD and what can be done about it.
I've got a 91 with an AOD, and put the Transgo shift kit into it. It makes
the shifts quicker, snappy instead of sliding into the next gear. This
improvement alone is supposed to cause less wear and tear on the bands
since there is less slipping. For $100 it was a great improvement in
driveability. That matched with the 3.73 I put in went hand in hand. If
my AOD (God bless it's fun giving heart), I'll probably swap it with a B&M
rebuilt AOD since those will already have a shiftkit installed, not to
mention are built with tougher parts. There was a recent article about
them in MM&FF.
>
> As to gears, I got a complete, brand new transmission (AOD, torque con-
> verter, cooler, EVERYTHING) from Art Carr with the Low Gear Set option.
> The stock Ford ratios and the ones I have are..
[SNIP]
If you don't mind me asking, what's an Art Carr AOD (with the low gear
option) go for? Do they do a core swap?
Thanks..
Ben Frazier
ben.frazier (at) mailexcite.com
'91 LX 5.0 convertable
Dave_...@vos.stratus.com
In article <01bd178e$cbb05dd0$7c0b19ac@saleen> "Ben Frazier" <ben.f...@mailexcite.com> wrote:
> Dave_...@vos.stratus.com wrote in article <68hb4r$4...@transfer.stratus.com>...
>> transmission shifts - they do nothing for how much abuse the thing can
>
> I've got a 91 with an AOD, and put the Transgo shift kit into it. It makes
> the shifts quicker, snappy instead of sliding into the next gear. This
> improvement alone is supposed to cause less wear and tear on the bands
Guess that makes sense. Still, once you get around 350HP (and a supercharger
is a big step towards this) you're going to be snapping the input shaft or
something else very unpleasant.
>.. If my AOD (God bless it's fun giving heart), [ever dies] I'll probably
> swap it with a B&M rebuilt AOD since those will already have a shiftkit
> installed, not to mention are built with tougher parts. There was a
> recent article about them in MM&FF.
I almost went this route but ended up going to Art Carr based on the 2/97
MM&FF article - that and Art Carr swears that my AOD will never have any
problems if I keep the cooler on and I keep the engine under 650HP. :)
I'm thinking about getting a 5.0 GT-40 crate motor from Ford next year and
maybe a 6lb Powerdyne so I figured I'd spend the extra $$$ now (back in
June, actually) and get something I wouldn't have to worry about once the
serious HP show up.
I've heard good things about B&M too but don't know too much about them.
> If you don't mind me asking, what's an Art Carr AOD (with the low gear
> option) go for? Do they do a core swap?
It cost:
$1700 AOD
$500 10 inch converter
$600 low gear set
$200 big Setrab cooler
Not what you'd call cheap - still paying for it (and the new telescope I
just got which cost as much as the whole transmission.. I am soooo broke).
They didn't ask for my old AOD so I don't know if they'll give you anything
for a core. I'm near Boston and they're in CA so I'm don't think it would
have been worth the trouble after shipping..
-Dave
jeff tamulis
good day wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:33:38 GMT, abc...@abc.com (Data ) wrote:
>
> >
> > Is it worth putting a power dyne 6lb supercharger on a stock 93 LX
> >AOD engine.
> > I would like to open the exhaust to for better flow of gases !!
>
You wanna make your car quicker, thats the goal of most everyone here.
Get a set of 3.73's 1st, gears should be your first expensive mod, it'll
cost about $400 bucks or so, and then get a TansGo shift improver kit as
you can install it yourself without taking out the transmission. if
that doesn't impress you THEN get a supercharger. I had a friend with a
1985 Capri 5.0 (5-speed) and he was planning on putting a supercharger
on it, but before he did he changed the gears, and let me tell you it
made a HUGE difference , it was not the same car. He (before) could
break the tries loose in 1st all day long, and get them to bark hard
into second. After the swap, with me in the car he broke the tires
loose shifting INTO 4th at over 85MPH, like I said it was a whole new
car. (I thought he HAD added the supercharger!)
Jeff
good day
Is it true if you change to gears like a 3:55 or 3:75 you will lose
top in speed??
If so how much is lost?????
Michael Kieslich
Tell me about it...I chirped them pulling out into traffic and a cop pulls
me over for disturbing the peace! I was so mad!
-Mike
jeff tamulis
good day wrote:
> Is it true if you change to gears like a 3:55 or 3:75 you will lose
> top in speed??
> If so how much is lost?????
I have an 1985 Mustang GT 5-speed (5.0). My friend who had the capri
(keep in mind its a 5-speed, NOT an AOD, so the results are gonna be
different, but the highest speeds of the fox mustangs were in 4th gear
of the 5-speed because the 5th gear was soo tall you couldn't get any
speed behind it. With a 5-speed and 3.73's your speed is actually
higher, because you can use 5th for top end speed. Your gas mileage
stays about the same from what I have heard.
I have two friends in Florida with mustangs, one has a 5-speed with a
2.73 and the other has an AOD with a 4.10
the guy with the AOD and 4.10 says (I haven't riden in it since the
4.10s) that the car is much quicker and his gas mileage went down (cuz
he is always punching it) but the freeway speeds are like he wasn't
using the 4th gear of the auto. so if you wanna consider what 4.10's
would be like, go down the highway with overdrive _off_ and you'll see
what 4.10s would be like (final rpm wise). Everything is a trade off, I
think 3.73 would be perfect for an AOD, 4.10s only if you DON'T do a lot
of highway traveling. My friend with the AOD and 4.10s drives 30 miles
to work every day, and he says the 4.10s were the best thing he ever did
(he has done pulleys, new injectors, new fuel pump, stuff like that).
My problem with _my_ mustang is that its too FAST, now before I get a
lot of flame, lemme explain. I want a QUICK car 0-60, but I don't need
tickets, Heck, my car will easily break the speed limit in 2nd gear.
so when I hit the throttle, give a nice shift to 2nd, shift to 3rd (as
the speedo sweeps past 85). I'm gonna get myself a tall (3.72 or 4.10)
set of gears and hopefully I will be QUICKER, but not so FAST. I have 5
points on my record now, I may just sell the mustang (or store it) until
my record is clean.
Just wondering, what would this car be worth:
1985 Mustang GT 5.0 5-speed
87k original miles, never abused (44year old man with mid-life crisis
babied the car)
no tears under the driver-side seat as useual with 85 gts that have been
abused.
power windows, power steering, AC, am/fm cass, sunroof, power brakes
grey interior (perfect)
never wrecked, body is primer gray (he was gonna repaint it till another
child came along)
all original emissions intact (except carb which I replaced with a new
one), passed emissions test with ease
it has dual exhaust like the 86+ cars with h-pipe, (but I have the
orginal exhaust too), short throw shifter (I have original shifter too),
Southside machine bars, (and I bought subframe connectors, strut tower
brace, g-load brace not installed yet tho)
The _only_ things wrong with it are the body is primer gray (and should
I paint before selling? if I sell?) and the speedo "clicks" it works, is
just annoying, I think I'll have that fixed either way.
thanks for all responses in advance.
Jeff Tamulis
jtam...@sph.unc.edu
SALEEN2491
I own a 94 GT with an AOD and the the 3.73 gears in it and it made the car feel
1000 lbs. lighter and is a whole lot funner to drive now. Rpm's at 60 mph is
around 2000 and rpm's with the 4.10's are around 2200 so with the overdrive
engaged those arent too high.