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Gary H

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On 16 Feb 1999 07:05:18 GMT, dsvo...@aol.com (DSvochak) wrote:

>>>I went through the same thing. Nice guys DO finish last, as long as the
>woman or girl is immature. Most women do grow out of this and, usually in mid
>20's, start looking for the guys who will be faithful, bring home a nice
>paycheck, etc. Trust me, it does get better.<<

Exactly. I'm 22, and went out with my share of girls through the
years. The past few years I kinda turned into a 'player' but not
really by choice. I didn't really come across anyone who seemed like
a potential g-friend. I went clubbing every weekend for about a year
and had a lot of fun times. But, its not a great lifestyle. Its too
fast paced, way too damn expensive, and when its all said and done,
very unfulfilling. I did all the dumb shit that guys like to do, the
club scene, the beach scene, meeting lots of girls etc. But I got
pretty tired of it. I had only been in one serious relationship prior
to this, and I realized I was more happy living that lifestyle. I
just got tired of the scene and around that time I met someone at
school. She is a bit older then me, 25, I'm 22. But thats definately
to my advantage. She isn't into all the teeni-bopper crap. Driving
past the local highschool and having 18 year-old girls waving saying,
"hey, nice car," just doesn't excite me anymore. I don't give two
shits about stuff like that anymore. My g-friend does like my car,
but I know its definately not the reason why she is with me. If she
was 18, a nice car could be all she was after. Well, I have babbled
long enough. I guess my point is just that as girls get a bit older,
they definately grow up alot.

Dan Lukiw

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You all are probably saying to yourselves, what the hell is a hope-tee?
Well, it's the normal type of riceboy you see on the street. Let me
explain. I live in NJ and I do go to college as well. Everywhere I turn,
I see one of those Rice Rockets. I always have to laugh at them because
it's the same old story. Lowered to the ground, tinted windows, 4"
coffee can exhaust tips, bass pumping systems, racing stickers. Ugh, how
pathetic. Not once have I seen any of these cars beat a REAL sports car,
they all sound loud. I do see a few people do that to their 5.0's as
well. However, that's not the point of this story. Around here, myself
and my friend call most riceboy's, hope-tees. Why? Let me explain. They
dress the same, they act the same and they talk the same. Everytime we
see someone driving a rice-rocket, when they get out of the car, it's
usually someone from the ages of 17-23. They usually have a shaved head,
wear pants that are hanging halway down their asses and baggy clothes
like Tommy Hillfinger type of clothes. They try to act tough and
intimidating all the time, it's really funny. If they don't have a
shaved head, they are usually wearing a hat resembling some sort of
latest trend. They are the ones that the neighborhood turns to and looks
at whenever there is some sort of trouble caused around here. They have
reputations of being drug users, etc. Basically, I hope I don't offend
anyone, but they are white people trying to be black. They listen to the
same old crappy rap. The worst part about it is that they are the ones
that always get the good looking girls. I don't understand what some of
the girls see in them and yet, when I approach a girl, they always tell
me I'm too nice of a guy. Since when is being too nice a bad thing?

Here are the 3 stories of my encounters with hope-tees:

One day, I came home with my friend and discovered I locked myself out
of the house because I forgot my key. So, we were deciding what to do
and figuring out a way to get back into my house. I then remembered my
neighbor had the key to my house. So, I walked to my neighbors house and
nobody was home. I started to walk back to my house, I live on a dead
end street, when all of the sudden your typical rice rocket 88 Honda
Prelude comes flying down my street. He then all of the sudden slows
down, goes around the turn and sees me and my friend walking so he
decides to turn up his bass pumping system. The funniest thing I heard
was this system, it had plenty of bass, but had a lot of static! My
friend has a bass tube in his Camaro and it sounds nice, this guy's
system was a joke. It was even funnier that he decided to turn up his
system in front of us with his girlfriend in the car to try and look
cool. So, I just burst into laughter because it's so funny, when all of
the sudden, he stops and puts it into reverse. He gets out of the car
and asks me what my problem is. I ignore him! He demands an answer from
him, both of us walk and pretend not to hear him and keep talking. He
then says "What did you say mother fucker?" I just look at him and laugh
as he says: "I'll knock you down and piss on you!" The funny thing was,
he was smaller that I was. I'm around 5'10", around 155lb and have a
pretty good muscular build for my size. He was around 5'8" and was
really skinny but looked big because of his clothes. He then got back in
his little rice rocket Prelude as me and my friend got in my friend's 93
Camaro RS. He had no idea it was his car and he had no idea that my
friend had a new exhaust on there to added around 15 horsepower, a chip
and a K&N Air Filter. So, we then start off slowly and he gets out of
his car again. My friend accelerates a little more and the hope-tee gets
back in his car trying to catch up to us. All of the sudden, my friend
floors it and all we see in the little rice rocket left in the dust.

A few months later, I see the same hope-tee but with a different car. He
comes up to me and asks me what my friend has in his Camaro cause he
said it was a fast car. I told him, and that's when he said he now has a
faster car then my friend's Camaro and is a little bit faster then a
Corvette. The hope-tee gets into his Eagle Talon and drives away. A
little later in the day, on a backroad, I run into the Eagle Talon as I
am driving my stock 96 Pontiac Grand Am with about 155 horsepower. The
guy is in front of me and all of the sudden sticks out his middle finger
out of the window. He then speeds off so I decide to floor it and stay
with him. I could tell he was pushing it by the way he was acting in the
car, rocking back and forward to try and make his car go faster (Which
accomplishes nothing anyway) That's when I saw the dotted yellow lines
and decided to pass him, which I did, and then I took off and turned.
Haven't seen the guy since.

The last story is another story with my friend's Camaro. We were driving
home from the local Quick Check on the main road going home to my house,
when all of the sudden, this Acura all riced out pulls up behind us. We
figure, let's do the speed limit like any normal person would do. All of
the sudden, the hope-tee decides that he wants to pass on the double
yellow line, and gets up next to us and of all things, turns the bass up
on his system. Oh no, he just added insult to injury... for himself! So,
he gets a little ahead of us, maybe doing around 50 or so on a 35mph
road, then my friend looks at me and says "No way is he gonna pass me!"
My friend then floors it and instead of flooring it so he gets in front
of him, he gets side by side with him. The most funniest thing,
considering we were doing around 60 at that point. Then, we see another
car coming the other way. My friend actually slows down to let this guy
pass us cause he can't do something to hurt someone else on the road
when they have nothing to do with it. The Acura passes us and decides to
try and speed off. We stay right on his tail and went up as far as
95mph, when all of the sudden, we saw the big hump in the road. We slow
down because we don't want to make too big of a jump and all of the
sudden, we see the Acura in front of us hit the bump, fly in the air and
then bottom out! We then catch up again to play with the guy some more
and he begins to slow down but we don't know why, then he takes off
again! Huh? So we follow him, passing the road for my house. The
hope-tee gets pissed and gives us the middle finger through his
moon-roof. We followed him some more, and then eventually found a road
big enough that we were able to pass him on and just laugh at his face.
Later on, I discovered the reason why he slowed down... we made him miss
his house which was right on the main road we were racing on! I think we
scared him or something, I don't know.

The funny thing about all these rice-boys is that they are all the same.
And what makes it worse is that most of the time, they only race their
Hondas or whatever to about 60MPH. Well, those are my stories, hope you
enjoyed them. Next time you see a younger riceboy, take a closer look
and you will see exactly why I call them hope-tees!
-Dan-

Dan Lukiw

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Feb 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/15/99
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I forgot to add one little part on the riceboy/hope-tee part. They all
drive the same. They got their one hand on the steering wheel and they
lean to the side!
-Dan-

Sleeper3.8

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Feb 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/15/99
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You are 100% correct. I go to college also, and when I have a lunch break
in between classes I go to the mall to eat lunch with my friends. Those
riceboys are everywhere, and the girls they are with always look good, but
sometimes skanky. When those punks grow up, I will be out of college and
they won't be making any money. Since women seem to like men with money and
the stability of a college degree, look who will have the women. Just my
two cents...

John

98 Mustang V6 5 Speed
Walker/Thrush Dual Exaust
No Air Silencer
K&N Filtercharger

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ron

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Feb 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/15/99
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How could I not take that offensively? It sounds to me like you are
describing
you typical youth not a race or wannabes. Besides doesn't everyboby wish
they were black?

They
> dress the same, they act the same and they talk the same. Everytime we
> see someone driving a rice-rocket, when they get out of the car, it's
> usually someone from the ages of 17-23. They usually have a shaved head,
> wear pants that are hanging halway down their asses and baggy clothes
> like Tommy Hillfinger type of clothes. They try to act tough and
> intimidating all the time, it's really funny. If they don't have a
> shaved head, they are usually wearing a hat resembling some sort of
> latest trend. They are the ones that the neighborhood turns to and looks
> at whenever there is some sort of trouble caused around here. They have
> reputations of being drug users, etc. Basically, I hope I don't offend
> anyone, but they are white people trying to be black. They listen to the
> same old crappy rap. The worst part about it is that they are the ones
> that always get the good looking girls. I don't understand what some of
> the girls see in them and yet, when I approach a girl, they always tell
> me I'm too nice of a guy. Since when is being too nice a bad thing?

They were probably just being nice ( I think you deserved that one).

Jared Rude

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Sleeper3.8 wrote:
>
> When those punks grow up, I will be out of college and
> they won't be making any money. Since women seem to like men with money and
> the stability of a college degree, look who will have the women. Just my
> two cents...

BWAAHAAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAAA!

Oh how I wish that were true (sorry, I've got to vent here).

Women don't care if a man has a good job, or if a man treats them well,
or if a man is honest, etc. Women mostly seem to care about status and
appearance. They want a man who they can fix, and make better.

If women wanted a man who is intellegent, or who is honest, or who is
sincere, or who earns a lot of money... I'd have been married years ago.
The fact is, most women can't deal with reality. If someone is honest or
straightforward, it freaks them out and they don't know how to react. Or
at least, that's my opinion.

Now, I'm sure that I'm about to get flamed by every woman on this news
group. Well, I'm sure you will all have fantastic points to make, but
every woman I've ever known has (probably) made similar points, and then
practiced the exact opposite of what they were preaching.

Unfortunately, the punks from college are still getting all the women,
even though they earn (maybe) 1/2 or 1/3 what I do. Sorry John, but
that's just the way it is. If you find a decent woman who can handle
reality, and isn't scared off by responsibility, then you found a good
one. Email me the name and number of her sister.

--
Jared Rude
Mechanical Engineer
Motorola Paging Products Group

C Lyter

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Feb 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/15/99
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I have to say, I know exactly what you're talking about. I live in the suburbs
and still see too many of these "hope-tees." I'm still a teenager myself, but
can't stand all these fake guys trying to impress everybody the wrong ways.
I've got some funny stories myself about these riceboys. My dad has a 97
Explorer XLT, your typical SUV that has the off-road ability but not much
speed, which I drive whenever I have the chance. Well, I often end up at a
red-light next to one of these guys with their ghetto cruisers and egg them on
by reving my monster SUV engine, quite loud. Next thing that happens, light
turns green and most the time I actually wreck these poor souls. I just don't
get them, so I get a kick out of beating one of them in a clunky SUV.

Jim Stoltz

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I've beat many of them in my XLT, too! They kill me!
I had one guy in a Civic do a neutral drop off the line
and I *still* beat him - bad.

I did run into what was apparently a real Type R yesterday,
though. It was quicker than my truck by a long shot. Oh
well, Rice 1, Truck 47

Jim
--
1988 Mustang GT Convertible
1987 Buick Regal Grand National
www.jimmyz.net

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Jay

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You sound like a little 13 year old girl. Quit your whining. My bass is
clearer and louder than yours...what a joke. It must really suck having
watch the other guys get all the girls. LOL.....

Again you sound like a freakin' baby. Lets get back to talking about cars,
import or/vs./and foreign...
I've had enough with Rice Boys vs. Beaners. But some of you insist one
comparing, you guys are just as bad as the people you bitch about.

Scott Chamberlain

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Two things that will always hold true with women:

1. Men marry women expecting them not to change, but they do.
Women marry men expecting them to change, but they don't

2. Lower your standards, up your odds.

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Klaus Breuer

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*Points impolitely* Ooooohhh, look, an adult!

;)

Ciao,
Klaus
---
"What, I need a *reason* for everything?" -- Calvin
"Should I or shouldn't I? Too late, I did!" -- Hobbes

Klaus Breuer

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[snip]

> dress the same, they act the same and they talk the same. Everytime we
> see someone driving a rice-rocket, when they get out of the car, it's
> usually someone from the ages of 17-23. They usually have a shaved head,
> wear pants that are hanging halway down their asses and baggy clothes

True. Can't account for taste, though. Seems like the in thing, in a
year or so everybody will just laugh at it. Remember bell-bottom
jeans?

> same old crappy rap. The worst part about it is that they are the ones
> that always get the good looking girls. I don't understand what some

Simple. The girls are merely good looking, nothing else. Might have
something to do with those nicely sexy clothes they all wear (now
there's a style I don't mind at all ;)
However, perhaps it's just me, but to be interesting, a girl must be
both pretty *and* bright. Non-bright people are boring.

Seeing that they hang out with such loosers, I can only assume they're
just not very bright.

> the girls see in them and yet, when I approach a girl, they always tell
> me I'm too nice of a guy. Since when is being too nice a bad thing?

Pfff, that's an age-old line to tell you to get lost. Has nothing to
do with being nice. Trust me :)

[snip]


> the sudden, he stops and puts it into reverse. He gets out of the car
> and asks me what my problem is. I ignore him! He demands an answer

Best way by far to treat any idiot. Not only does it drive them crazy,
you don't have to waste time talking to them.

> A few months later, I see the same hope-tee but with a different car. He
> comes up to me and asks me what my friend has in his Camaro cause he
> said it was a fast car. I told him, and that's when he said he now has

Sounds like he's not such a bad sort after all, then?

> The funny thing about all these rice-boys is that they are all the same.

Even funnier that they all think of themselves as independent and
unique rebels: "Und ab heute gehoere ich nicht mehr zur Norm, denn
ich trage ja die non-konformisten Uniform!" (Loosely translated: "From
today on I don't belong to the norm anymore, because I wear the
non-conformists uniform!"

> And what makes it worse is that most of the time, they only race their
> Hondas or whatever to about 60MPH. Well, those are my stories, hope

Perhaps because their engines start flying out their exhausts if they
exceed 60?

Ciao,
Klaus

'68 coupe

Gary H

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On 18 Feb 1999 00:00:39 GMT, tfr...@aol.compost (TFrog93) wrote:


>No, "trying to be black" about sums it up. The rest of your "cool" examples
>were all started "on the street", sure, but by blacks. Our hope-tees (if
>that's what you want to call them) have adopted this black youth uniform, the
>black rap music, and the black body language and slang. If that's not "trying
>to be black", then I'm confused.

The baggy clothes initially started back in 1984 or so. Michael
Jordan began wearing slightly larger then usual shorts early in his
career with the Bulls. Almost everyone at that time refused to follow
his lead. In Jordan's college days, he requested looser shorts while
at the University of North Carolina. His coach, Dean Smith, wouldn't
allow this as it was considered to be in poor taste at the time. Dean
later came under some criticism for allowing the likes of Jerry
Stackhouse and Rasheed Wallace to wear very baggy clothes. Times have
changed. Eventually the NBA even made a rule designed to limit the
length of shorts worn by NBA players. Supposedly this rule was
targeted towards Philadelphia's Allen Iverson in particular. Anyways,
the baggy clothes were pioneered by Jordan. He does not dress in
excessively baggy jeans or shirts though, as many 'gansters' on both
coasts do....

Spreadman

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<< If women wanted a man who is intellegent, or who is honest, or who is
sincere, or who earns a lot of money... I'd have been married years ago.
The fact is, most women can't deal with reality. If someone is honest or
straightforward, it freaks them out and they don't know how to react. >>

I am going to have to agree with Brother Rude here. This has also been my
experience. Everyone likes to THINK that women want "the nice guy" but what
they want is a challenge. As Jared said, someone they can fix. Ladies, you
can't change a man.....period. You MAY be able to alter his way of thinking
for a brief period, but that's about it, next thing you know the toilet seat is
back in the upright and locked position.

Let me interject that I am an old-fashioned guy, with old-fashioned values.
You open the door for the lady, if you're interested, you ask for the digits,
then call them the next day (or sooner), and when you show up for the date, you
bring flowers. That's the way I was raised, and women are FREAKED by this.
Then they tell me, oh, you'll meet someone eventually, you're just TOO NICE.
groan. So until then, I still get treated like a stalker. Like Jared said, if
women wanted guys like us, we'd be married by now.

I also agree that many women fail to have a realistic view of relationships
(and guys for that matter). They EXPECT the "bad boy", they EXPECT to get
played with, it's like 1st grade recess....if a guy pulls on a girl's pigtails
in front of his friends....it must be love.

It's starting to sound like my senior thesis all over again.....AHHHHHHHHH!
STOP THE INSANITY!!!!!!!!

This is all for now, let the flames begin.....but before they do, keep in mind
I speak from experience, AND a degree in interpersonal and social
communications (wow, just MENTIONING it makes those 4 years of school worth
every penny.) (warm fuzzy feeling inside) =)


Scotty
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'97 Ford Explorer Sport (FOR SALE)
'99 Yellow Mustang GT (coming soon)

Joe Breitenbach

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Feb 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/16/99
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Jared Rude wrote:
> BWAAHAAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAAA!
>
> Oh how I wish that were true (sorry, I've got to vent here).
>
> Women don't care if a man has a good job, or if a man treats them well,
> or if a man is honest, etc. Women mostly seem to care about status and
> appearance. They want a man who they can fix, and make better.

Yes, a lot of them are like that, but not all.

> If women wanted a man who is intellegent, or who is honest, or who is
> sincere, or who earns a lot of money... I'd have been married years ago.
> The fact is, most women can't deal with reality. If someone is honest or

> straightforward, it freaks them out and they don't know how to react. Or
> at least, that's my opinion.

I don't think that women have a monopoly on that.

> Now, I'm sure that I'm about to get flamed by every woman on this news
> group. Well, I'm sure you will all have fantastic points to make, but
> every woman I've ever known has (probably) made similar points, and then
> practiced the exact opposite of what they were preaching.

You've been hanging around the wrong women. :) You probably won't find
the girl you're looking for if you're looking in the wrong places.

> Unfortunately, the punks from college are still getting all the women,
> even though they earn (maybe) 1/2 or 1/3 what I do. Sorry John, but
> that's just the way it is. If you find a decent woman who can handle
> reality, and isn't scared off by responsibility, then you found a good
> one. Email me the name and number of her sister.
>
> --
> Jared Rude
> Mechanical Engineer
> Motorola Paging Products Group

Those bozos deserve each other. There's a shitload of idiots out there,
both male and female. Just look at some of the trolls that have
stumbled in here. Don't lower your standards just because everyone else
apparently is, and don't think that good women aren't out there either
just because you haven't come across any recently. Hope this helps.

Joe
Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
http://www.tranquilitybase.com/joe/

Dagon7

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>Subject: Re: Forgot to add!
>From: Jared Rude <jr...@nospamforme.paging.mot.com>
>Date: 2/15/99 2:09 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <36C89B32...@nospamforme.paging.mot.com>

>
>Sleeper3.8 wrote:
>>
>> When those punks grow up, I will be out of college and
>> they won't be making any money. Since women seem to like men with money
>and
>> the stability of a college degree, look who will have the women. Just my
>> two cents...
>
>BWAAHAAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAAA!
>
>Oh how I wish that were true (sorry, I've got to vent here).
>
>Women don't care if a man has a good job, or if a man treats them well,
>or if a man is honest, etc. Women mostly seem to care about status and
>appearance. They want a man who they can fix, and make better.

God, I love these conversations!
I do see this often, however it's not a rule of thumb. Same thing goes for guys
that are "players" that just want to get laid etc.

>If women wanted a man who is intellegent, or who is honest, or who is
>sincere, or who earns a lot of money... I'd have been married years ago.
>The fact is, most women can't deal with reality. If someone is honest or
>straightforward, it freaks them out and they don't know how to react. Or
>at least, that's my opinion.

I think its more like they want to live out a fantasy. To be romantised, like
some cheesy novel, with a "bad boy" etc. This was very common in High School,
and well, some people never get passed that point. I'd just consider them to
immature and superficial, and say that your better off.

In highschool, I probably resented this, and would always date the outcast
girls(and no, they weren't ugly).
My current girlfriend is quite a weird one. She has always had male friends,
and can't stand other females and their games.
When she asks me if she looks fat, I tell her the truth (maybe 3-4lbs). And I
think she _now_ realises that honesty and communication are better. She's still
dating me for the past 2 years and has _daily_ propsals from other guys, so
maybe I have a keeper.

>Now, I'm sure that I'm about to get flamed by every woman on this news
>group. Well, I'm sure you will all have fantastic points to make, but
>every woman I've ever known has (probably) made similar points, and then
>practiced the exact opposite of what they were preaching.

I'm curious to hear what they say.

NoOption5L

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In article <jR3y2.832$MB3....@newsfeed.slurp.net>, "Jay" <@.com> writes:

Hey Jay,

How 'bout giving us a little background on this story - what the hell are you
talking about? Try quoting next time.

>You sound like a little 13 year old girl. Quit your whining. My bass is
>clearer and louder than yours...what a joke. It must really suck having
>watch the other guys get all the girls. LOL.....

>Again you sound like a freakin' baby. Lets get back to talking about cars,
>import or/vs./and foreign...
>I've had enough with Rice Boys vs. Beaners. But some of you insist one
>comparing, you guys are just as bad as the people you bitch about.


Patrick

'93 Cobra (track numbers will be posted soon)
'95 Accord EX (faster than a LX...an Accord LX)
'87 5 liter 5 speed LX - SOLD! (14.2 @ 98 stock, 13.8 @ 101 lightly modded)


DSvochak

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Dan Lukiw, dlu...@injersey.com wrote:
I live in NJ and I do go to college as well.
... it's the same old story. Lowered to the ground, tinted windows... Ugh, how

pathetic. Not once have I seen any of these cars beat a REAL sports car, they
all sound loud. I do see a few people do that to their 5.0's as well."

>>well, when I was in h.s. and college in Queens, NYC, all the "guidos" had
Monte's or Buicks. I thinks it's a trend thing.<<

"... They dress the same, they act the same and they talk the same. Everytime


we see someone driving a rice-rocket, when they get out of the car, it's
usually someone from the ages of 17-23. They usually have a shaved head, wear
pants that are hanging halway down their asses and baggy clothes like Tommy
Hillfinger type of clothes. They try to act tough and intimidating all the
time, it's really funny. If they don't have a shaved head, they are usually
wearing a hat resembling some sort of latest trend. They are the ones that the
neighborhood turns to and looks at whenever there is some sort of trouble
caused around here. They have reputations of being drug users, etc."

>>Yup. I was just like that. BUT, I had a motorcycle jacket, long hair and an
attitude as bad as the day is long. It's typical teenager peer pressure to fit
in. Just a different look for a different generation. Beside, if they looked
like I did WAY back in '87-'90, then they wouldn't be rebel, would they??

"Basically, I hope I don't offend anyone, but they are white people trying to
be black. They listen to the same old crappy rap."

>That I just don't get. I say, be proud of your race and act like it(yet
respect other races). I think it comes from the fact that, unfortunately,
blacks have had practice at this. They act like bada$$ motherfu*kers because
they get treated like $hit anyway(obviously not condoning this). If they act
like the bada$$ guys, then they're just as tough. <<

"The worst part about it is that they are the ones that always get the good

looking girls..."

>>I went through the same thing. Nice guys DO finish last, as long as the
woman or girl is immature. Most women do grow out of this and, usually in mid
20's, start looking for the guys who will be faithful, bring home a nice
paycheck, etc. Trust me, it does get better.<<

-Dave
'86 BlkLX
Ex-teenage metalhead, long hair, vodka loving, rouse hell type of guy.
Now- Short hair, 8:30-5:30 software sales, barely drink, maybe I'll
rent-a-movie type of guy. Excitement? My mustang, of course!!!

Steve

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Scott Chamberlain wrote:

> Two things that will always hold true with women:
>
> 1. Men marry women expecting them not to change, but they do.
> Women marry men expecting them to change, but they don't
>
> 2. Lower your standards, up your odds.

Something I would like to add, from a forward I got recently:

*Rules That Guys Wished Girls Knew*

1) If you think you're fat, you probably are. Don't ask us.
2) Learn to work the toilet seat: if it's up, put it down.
3) Don't cut your hair. Ever.
4) Birthdays, Valentines, and Anniversaries are not quests to see if he
can find the perfect present!
5) If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer
you don't want to hear.
6) Sometimes, he's not thinking about you. Live with it.
7) . Don't ask him what he's thinking about unless you are prepared to
discuss such topics as navel lint, the shotgun formation, and monster
trucks.
8) Get rid of your cat. And no, it's not different, it's just like every
other cat.
9) Dogs are better than ANY cats. Period.
10) Sunday = Sports. It's like the full moon or the changing of the
tides. Let it be.
11) Shopping is not sport.
12) . Anything you wear is fine. Really.
13) You have enough clothes.
14) You have too many shoes.
15) .Crying is blackmail. Use it if you must, but don't expect us to
like it.
16) Your brother is an idiot, your ex-boyfriend is an idiot, and your
dad's way past idiot.
17) Ask for what you want. Subtle hints don't work.
18) No, he doesn't know what day it is. He never will. Mark
anniversaries on a calendar.
19) Pissing standing up is more difficult than peeing from point blank
range. We're bound to miss sometimes.
20) Most guys own two to three pairs of shoes - what makes you think
we'd be any good at choosing which pair, out of thirty, would look good
with your dress?
21) Yes and No are perfectly acceptable answers.
22) A headache that lasts for 17 months is a problem. See a doctor.
23) Your Mom doesn't have to be our best friend.
24) Foreign films are best left to foreigners.
25) Check your oil.
26) Don't give us 50 rules when 25 will do.
27) Don't fake it. We'd rather be ineffective than deceived.
28) It is neither in your best interest nor ours to take the quiz
together.
29) Anything we said 6 or 8 months ago is inadmissible in an argument.
All comments become null and void after 7 days.
30) If you don't dress like the Victoria's Secret girls, don't expect us
to act like soap opera guys.
31) If something we said can be interpreted makes you sad and angry, we
meant the other one.
32) Let us ogle. If we don't look at other women, how can we know how
pretty you are?
3) Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out.
34) You can either ask us to do something OR tell us how you
want it done-but not both.
35) Whenever possible, please say whatever you have to say during
commercials.
36) Christopher Columbus didn't need directions, and neither do we.
37) Women wearing Wonderbras and low-cut blouses lose their right to
complain about having their boobs stared at.
38) Consider golf a mini-vacation from you. We need it, just like you
do.
39) Telling us that the models in the men's magazines are airbrushed
makes you look jealous and petty, and it's certainly not going to deter
us from reading the magazines.
40) The relationship is never going to be like it was the first two
months we were going out.

Dont flame me, I didnt make these up!

Steve

--
Steve
90' Mustang GT 5-Speed
ska...@d.umn.edu
http://www.d.umn.edu/~skajala/home.html (My Mustang Homepage)

"Blue Oval at the drag strip taking your dough,
Hey, does that Saturn run?, No, child, no."

TFrog93

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In article <36C89B32...@nospamforme.paging.mot.com>, Jared Rude
<jr...@nospamforme.paging.mot.com> writes:

>Women don't care if a man has a good job, or if a man treats them well,
>or if a man is honest, etc. Women mostly seem to care about status and
>appearance. They want a man who they can fix, and make better.

My wife is still working on me. 21 years later. Personally, I think she was
gypped.

dwight


Brad

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DSvochak wrote:

> "Basically, I hope I don't offend anyone, but they are white people trying to
> be black. They listen to the same old crappy rap."

What does "being black" mean in this day of cross-culture anyway? Would you
also say a black man who likes Metallica is trying to "be white?" What if he
wears a cowboy hat sometimes?

I will certainly agree that most newer rap is crappy rap though. I think MC
Hammer's second album pretty much marks the date when most rap started going
downhill. Hmmm, or maybe there's just a broader choice of styles available
now. But who can forget the oldies? "Well, I'm Keith Cowboy, and you're my
cow, so what you MCs gonna do now? I'm going to tie you up, and here's my plan,
you won't even get bread and water, my man." hahaha :)

Brad

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Klaus Breuer wrote:

> True. Can't account for taste, though. Seems like the in thing, in a
> year or so everybody will just laugh at it. Remember bell-bottom
> jeans?

Remember them? Haven't you been near any clothing stores lately? Bell-bottoms
are back. YES!

> > the girls see in them and yet, when I approach a girl, they always tell
> > me I'm too nice of a guy. Since when is being too nice a bad thing?
>

> Pfff, that's an age-old line to tell you to get lost. Has nothing to
> do with being nice. Trust me :)

"Nice" in this context is often mis-defined. You can be confident yet nice.
Authoritative yet nice. Sexual yet nice. Nice can get you friends but rarely
romance. Why? Because, say it with me now... nice is BORING. A "nice guy"
doesn't dare use sexually suggestive references or flirt -- heaven forbid a man
shows interest in a woman's sexuality. A "nice guy" is often a guy who does a
woman favors and helps her out with the hope that she will reciprocate with
sex. A guy who gets a woman to think he only wants to be friends and is
surprised when she gets pissed at him later for making a move on her. That's
not nice. That's being a con-artist and a jerk. He lied about his true
intentions, no wonder she's pissed. A "nice guy" also puts off his own plans so
he can be at a woman's beck and call. Women do not respect doormats. They only
walk on them. And a guy who puts a woman on a pedestal shouldn't be surprised
if she falls off.

Romance 101 class is dismissed for the day. :Ž

Dan Lukiw

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Ok, since I started this thread, I might as well continue it! He he!
But, the whole thread has nothing to say about what I am trying to say,
the youth of America can be a little out of hand.

Sleeper3.8 wrote:
>
> You are 100% correct. I go to college also, and when I have a lunch break
> in between classes I go to the mall to eat lunch with my friends. Those
> riceboys are everywhere, and the girls they are with always look good, but
> sometimes skanky.

Ok, here you go. Never consider a girl or woman to look skanky. Just
because some of them dress like that, doesn't mean they are. I do agree,
some of the girls with these shaven head bozos are pretty dumb and tend
to realize this later in life about the mistake they made. If I was back
in the 40's right now, I would probably be settled down.


When those punks grow up, I will be out of college and
> they won't be making any money. Since women seem to like men with money and
> the stability of a college degree, look who will have the women. Just my
> two cents...

Normally, around the age of 24, the girls start to grow up and begin to
act like real women. Why? Because they are out of school and they needed
to find themselves a real job. And if they want a real job, they want a
real man too! Not some punk kid with nose rings and what have you. Being
with a guy because he has money is not the thing here. They finally
realize that they have a chance to be with a mature guy, when in
reality, back when they were 18 or so, they still had a chance to go out
with the mature guy, but they just never looked at the right people.
I'll be adding more to everything else in this thread.
-Dan-

Dan Lukiw

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>
> Oh how I wish that were true (sorry, I've got to vent here).
>
> Women don't care if a man has a good job, or if a man treats them well,
> or if a man is honest, etc. Women mostly seem to care about status and
> appearance. They want a man who they can fix, and make better.


Hmmm.... interesting concept there. I think I have to keep that in mind
now!


>
> If women wanted a man who is intellegent, or who is honest, or who is
> sincere, or who earns a lot of money... I'd have been married years ago.

LOL! Me too!


> The fact is, most women can't deal with reality. If someone is honest or
> straightforward, it freaks them out and they don't know how to react. Or
> at least, that's my opinion.

Hmm.. another interesting point. How true this is, I've known from
experience. Let me explain. I started to date this girl who I was really
into a few years ago. I would do absolutely anything for her and I was
the complete gentleman all the time. Every time, she would say stuff
like "I don't want to lose you!" Huh? Um, ok. Anyway, I was about the
nicest I could be with her, and according to everyone else, they thought
she deserved me because I would treat her the way a girl should be
treated, with the utmost respect. This freaked her out and she didn't
know how to react, so she broke it off and told me she wasn't ready for
a serious relationship. Two days later, she gets back together with her
ex who used to physically beat her. 6 Months later, she is engaged to be
married. Talk about fucked up!


>
> Now, I'm sure that I'm about to get flamed by every woman on this news
> group. Well, I'm sure you will all have fantastic points to make, but
> every woman I've ever known has (probably) made similar points, and then
> practiced the exact opposite of what they were preaching.

Wow, I almost had to read that sentence twice :P


>
> Unfortunately, the punks from college are still getting all the women,
> even though they earn (maybe) 1/2 or 1/3 what I do. Sorry John, but
> that's just the way it is. If you find a decent woman who can handle
> reality, and isn't scared off by responsibility, then you found a good
> one. Email me the name and number of her sister.

Same here! The punks from my college all earn 1/2 as much as I do, get
their money from their parents, act all tough, etc. But yet, the women
find them more appealing then a clean cut "nice" cuy. Go figure!
-Dan-

Dan Lukiw

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>
> I am going to have to agree with Brother Rude here. This has also been my
> experience. Everyone likes to THINK that women want "the nice guy" but what
> they want is a challenge.

Well, they want a challenge up to a certain age, usually around 24 or
25. They, these jerks turn into even bigger asses, these women don't
like them and they wonder why they can't find the nice guys. I'll tell
you why, because you ignored us when we were interested, so we decided
to find the "nice" girl!

As Jared said, someone they can fix. Ladies, you
> can't change a man.....period. You MAY be able to alter his way of thinking
> for a brief period, but that's about it, next thing you know the toilet seat is
> back in the upright and locked position.

Actually, this is something I have been conscious about. I have a few
female friends who live in apartments and every time I used their
toilet, I always feel necessary to be polite and put the seat back down
for them since I know that they live there.


>
> Let me interject that I am an old-fashioned guy, with old-fashioned values.
> You open the door for the lady, if you're interested, you ask for the digits,
> then call them the next day (or sooner), and when you show up for the date, you
> bring flowers. That's the way I was raised, and women are FREAKED by this.
> Then they tell me, oh, you'll meet someone eventually, you're just TOO NICE.
> groan. So until then, I still get treated like a stalker. Like Jared said, if
> women wanted guys like us, we'd be married by now.


That is exactly the way I am! Old fashioned and a complete gentleman! I
can relate!


>
> I also agree that many women fail to have a realistic view of relationships
> (and guys for that matter). They EXPECT the "bad boy", they EXPECT to get
> played with, it's like 1st grade recess....if a guy pulls on a girl's pigtails
> in front of his friends....it must be love.
>
> It's starting to sound like my senior thesis all over again.....AHHHHHHHHH!
> STOP THE INSANITY!!!!!!!!

LOL! Not only my senoir class, but my whole high school and no my
college which has gotten worse!


>
> This is all for now, let the flames begin.....but before they do, keep in mind
> I speak from experience, AND a degree in interpersonal and social
> communications (wow, just MENTIONING it makes those 4 years of school worth
> every penny.) (warm fuzzy feeling inside) =)

So far, I don't see a flame :)


> '99 Yellow Mustang GT (coming soon)

What made you chose yellow? I chose black to help hide those damn fake
hood scoops!
-Dan-

Dan Lukiw

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> >
> > Oh how I wish that were true (sorry, I've got to vent here).
> >
> > Women don't care if a man has a good job, or if a man treats them well,
> > or if a man is honest, etc. Women mostly seem to care about status and
> > appearance. They want a man who they can fix, and make better.
>
> Yes, a lot of them are like that, but not all.

True, very true! Occasionally you will find the "nice" girl as well. But
for the majority out there, it's the same old schtick!


>
> > If women wanted a man who is intellegent, or who is honest, or who is
> > sincere, or who earns a lot of money... I'd have been married years ago.

> > The fact is, most women can't deal with reality. If someone is honest or
> > straightforward, it freaks them out and they don't know how to react. Or
> > at least, that's my opinion.
>

> I don't think that women have a monopoly on that.
>

> > Now, I'm sure that I'm about to get flamed by every woman on this news
> > group. Well, I'm sure you will all have fantastic points to make, but
> > every woman I've ever known has (probably) made similar points, and then
> > practiced the exact opposite of what they were preaching.
>

> You've been hanging around the wrong women. :) You probably won't find
> the girl you're looking for if you're looking in the wrong places.
>

> > Unfortunately, the punks from college are still getting all the women,
> > even though they earn (maybe) 1/2 or 1/3 what I do. Sorry John, but
> > that's just the way it is. If you find a decent woman who can handle
> > reality, and isn't scared off by responsibility, then you found a good
> > one. Email me the name and number of her sister.
> >

> > --
> > Jared Rude
> > Mechanical Engineer
> > Motorola Paging Products Group
>

> Those bozos deserve each other. There's a shitload of idiots out there,
> both male and female. Just look at some of the trolls that have
> stumbled in here. Don't lower your standards just because everyone else
> apparently is, and don't think that good women aren't out there either
> just because you haven't come across any recently. Hope this helps.

That's the thing! Some of the women we look at are good looking and some
are just ok. I guess the same applies for guys when women look at them!
Us guys all want the really good looking women all the time, so I guess
the really good looking women want the really good looking guys who are
jerks? I'm a pretty good looking guy and I am a very nice person, but
yet, they women tend to go with the shaved head jerk-offs (I don't imply
this to all with shaved heads by the way, just the hope-tees!)
-Dan-

Dan Lukiw

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Scott Chamberlain wrote:
>
> Two things that will always hold true with women:
>
> 1. Men marry women expecting them not to change, but they do.

How true this is! I've seen it, usually a year or so after the women
gives birth!


> Women marry men expecting them to change, but they don't

LOL!


>
> 2. Lower your standards, up your odds.

Hmm....
-Dan-

Dan Lukiw

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> God, I love these conversations!
> I do see this often, however it's not a rule of thumb. Same thing goes for guys
> that are "players" that just want to get laid etc.
>

Oh God! I hate players! They are the worst! I lost a girl to a player,
and all he did was use her and treat her like shit after he got what he
wanted from her. But the whole "act like a nice guy" gimmick for players
is what gets to me.

>
> I think its more like they want to live out a fantasy. To be romantised, like
> some cheesy novel, with a "bad boy" etc. This was very common in High School,
> and well, some people never get passed that point. I'd just consider them to
> immature and superficial, and say that your better off.

Well put!


>
> In highschool, I probably resented this, and would always date the outcast
> girls(and no, they weren't ugly).
> My current girlfriend is quite a weird one. She has always had male friends,
> and can't stand other females and their games.

I hate the games some female friends play! But then again, I don't like
women with many male friends because they tend to put thoughts into the
girls head, especially when they begin to like them. For example, the
girl I spoke about in a message before, she had this friend that she
said was like a "big brother" to her. Ok, fine, I had no problem with
it... until I found out that they were doing stuff behind my back (and
even in my face for that matter!)


> When she asks me if she looks fat, I tell her the truth (maybe 3-4lbs). And I
> think she _now_ realises that honesty and communication are better. She's still
> dating me for the past 2 years and has _daily_ propsals from other guys, so
> maybe I have a keeper.

For your sake, I hope you do have a keeper! Best of luck to you my
friend!

-Dan-

Dan Lukiw

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ron wrote:
>
> How could I not take that offensively? It sounds to me like you are
> describing
> you typical youth not a race or wannabes. Besides doesn't everyboby wish
> they were black?

Well, not the typical youth, but at least the majority of it. I admit, I
am part of the youth of america, but I'm a little bit different. I am
21, I make myself a good amount of $$ I can be comfortable with, go to
school, have a great family life (Ok, this has nothing to do with it1),
etc. However, I don't go around dressing like some of these jerks and
acting like them too. The way I dress for work, which is a casual
office, is the way I dress outside of work too! And no, I don't wish to
be black :P

>
> They were probably just being nice ( I think you deserved that one).

LOL! Thanks, I think!
-Dan-

Dan Lukiw

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C Lyter wrote:
>
> I have to say, I know exactly what you're talking about. I live in the suburbs
> and still see too many of these "hope-tees."

Pretty funny, I live in the burbs too and the majority of the hope-tess
I see live around here and not in the city! Well, I guess it's because
they have to live with their parents.

I'm still a teenager myself, but
> can't stand all these fake guys trying to impress everybody the wrong ways.

Preach on!


> I've got some funny stories myself about these riceboys. My dad has a 97
> Explorer XLT, your typical SUV that has the off-road ability but not much
> speed, which I drive whenever I have the chance.

Explorer! Well, at least it has the off-road ability, which is what I
like about it anyway!

Well, I often end up at a
> red-light next to one of these guys with their ghetto cruisers and egg them on
> by reving my monster SUV engine, quite loud. Next thing that happens, light
> turns green and most the time I actually wreck these poor souls. I just don't

> get them, so I get a kick out of beating one of them in a clunky SUV.


LOL! Great! I hope most of them are driving like Acuras or Preludes too!
It's always the ones with the black tinted windows that think they are
better and faster then everyone else. But it makes me even laugh harder
to know that an Explorer, off the line no less, beats the crap out of
some of these cars!
-Dan-

Dan Lukiw

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Jim Stoltz wrote:
>
> I've beat many of them in my XLT, too! They kill me!
> I had one guy in a Civic do a neutral drop off the line
> and I *still* beat him - bad.

LOL! Good! Damn Hondas! Not that I have anything against them, it's just
some of the numnuts that drive them!


>
> I did run into what was apparently a real Type R yesterday,
> though. It was quicker than my truck by a long shot. Oh
> well, Rice 1, Truck 47

A real Type R? Are you sure? It wasn't one of thos GS-R's by any chance?
(Or whatever that top brand under Type R is)


-Dan-

Dan Lukiw

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>
> True. Can't account for taste, though. Seems like the in thing, in a
> year or so everybody will just laugh at it. Remember bell-bottom
> jeans?

Well, guess the style of clothing is the in thing, but it's the way they
act! That's the main reason why I call them hope-tees. As for the bell
bottoms, well, I see them back now and must admit... a tight pair of
those jeans on a girl around my age looks great! I guess it's just my
taste!


>
> Simple. The girls are merely good looking, nothing else. Might have
> something to do with those nicely sexy clothes they all wear (now
> there's a style I don't mind at all ;)
> However, perhaps it's just me, but to be interesting, a girl must be
> both pretty *and* bright. Non-bright people are boring.

Absolutely right! Smart, pretty, great body, great personality, blonde
hair, blue eyes... oh wait, I've said too much :)

>
> Seeing that they hang out with such loosers, I can only assume they're
> just not very bright.

Or, they just look for the first thing they like without even getting to
know the person?

>
> Pfff, that's an age-old line to tell you to get lost. Has nothing to
> do with being nice. Trust me :)

Oh, I've figured that one out a while. I once asked out a friend of
mine, she was attractive and had a great personality. She said I was too
nice of a guy (and still says this) and says she wasn't into dating for
a while. 2 weeks later, she's dating some guy! I actually caught her off
guard and asked her why she said this and what did she mean by I was too
nice. She started to explain herself and just left it at "you're too
nice" and then I said "Why didn't you just say you weren't interested?
It would have made it a heck of a lot easier for me to cope with!"
Women, go figure!

>
> Best way by far to treat any idiot. Not only does it drive them crazy,
> you don't have to waste time talking to them.

LOL! True! You don't know how many times I ignore these idiots. What's
even funnier is that when they get more pissed, I just laugh out loud
and ignore them more. They don't know how to react!

>
> Sounds like he's not such a bad sort after all, then?

No, he's still a jerk. The way he approached me about my friend's camaro
says it all, he didn't say something like "sorry for what happened, by
the way" It was more to the line of "Yo, what's your friend got in his
Camaro?"


>
> > The funny thing about all these rice-boys is that they are all the same.
>
> Even funnier that they all think of themselves as independent and
> unique rebels: "Und ab heute gehoere ich nicht mehr zur Norm, denn
> ich trage ja die non-konformisten Uniform!" (Loosely translated: "From
> today on I don't belong to the norm anymore, because I wear the
> non-conformists uniform!"

LOL!


>
> > And what makes it worse is that most of the time, they only race their
> > Hondas or whatever to about 60MPH. Well, those are my stories, hope
>
> Perhaps because their engines start flying out their exhausts if they
> exceed 60?

LO f'n L!


-Dan-

Dan Lukiw

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>
> Remember them? Haven't you been near any clothing stores lately? Bell-bottoms
> are back. YES!

And they look great on some of the women around here!

>
> "Nice" in this context is often mis-defined. You can be confident yet nice.
> Authoritative yet nice. Sexual yet nice. Nice can get you friends but rarely
> romance. Why? Because, say it with me now... nice is BORING.

Nice is boring.... m'k?

A "nice guy"
> doesn't dare use sexually suggestive references or flirt -- heaven forbid a man
> shows interest in a woman's sexuality. A "nice guy" is often a guy who does a
> woman favors and helps her out with the hope that she will reciprocate with
> sex.

Yep, good definition of a nice guy!


A guy who gets a woman to think he only wants to be friends and is
> surprised when she gets pissed at him later for making a move on her. That's
> not nice. That's being a con-artist and a jerk. He lied about his true
> intentions, no wonder she's pissed.

Con-artist or a player... or even a hope-tee for that matter :P

A "nice guy" also puts off his own plans so
> he can be at a woman's beck and call. Women do not respect doormats. They only
> walk on them. And a guy who puts a woman on a pedestal shouldn't be surprised
> if she falls off.
>

> Romance 101 class is dismissed for the day. :Åž

Thanks for the lesson. Is there going to be a test later on?
-Dan-

Dan Lukiw

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>
> Exactly. I'm 22, and went out with my share of girls through the
> years. The past few years I kinda turned into a 'player' but not
> really by choice. I didn't really come across anyone who seemed like
> a potential g-friend. I went clubbing every weekend for about a year
> and had a lot of fun times. But, its not a great lifestyle. Its too
> fast paced, way too damn expensive, and when its all said and done,
> very unfulfilling.

I know, I know! I never enjoy the club scene anyway. I do like some of
the girls there, but the scene itself just doesn't fit my image. I'm
more of the, I don't like to dance except slow dance, type of guy.


I did all the dumb shit that guys like to do, the
> club scene, the beach scene, meeting lots of girls etc.

The beach still kicks ass!


But I got
> pretty tired of it. I had only been in one serious relationship prior
> to this, and I realized I was more happy living that lifestyle. I
> just got tired of the scene and around that time I met someone at
> school. She is a bit older then me, 25, I'm 22. But thats definately
> to my advantage. She isn't into all the teeni-bopper crap. Driving
> past the local highschool and having 18 year-old girls waving saying,
> "hey, nice car," just doesn't excite me anymore. I don't give two
> shits about stuff like that anymore. My g-friend does like my car,
> but I know its definately not the reason why she is with me. If she
> was 18, a nice car could be all she was after. Well, I have babbled
> long enough. I guess my point is just that as girls get a bit older,
> they definately grow up alot.


Yes they do! They grow up a lot! There are some out there and grow up
quicker then others. I consider one of my good friends lucky to find one
of these girls. He's 21, she's 20. They both work full time jobs and she
is completely devoted to him and vice versa. He's not even a good
looking guy, as a matter of fact, I think he's ugly. You know why she
likes him? Because he is a nice guy!
-Dan-

Dan Lukiw

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>
> >>well, when I was in h.s. and college in Queens, NYC, all the "guidos" had
> Monte's or Buicks. I thinks it's a trend thing.<<

Monte's and Buicks are both respectable cars now!

>
> >>Yup. I was just like that. BUT, I had a motorcycle jacket, long hair and an
> attitude as bad as the day is long. It's typical teenager peer pressure to fit
> in. Just a different look for a different generation. Beside, if they looked
> like I did WAY back in '87-'90, then they wouldn't be rebel, would they??

Ahhh.. the 80's! Those were my cousin's days and I remember them well
because he was exactly the way you described1

>
> >That I just don't get. I say, be proud of your race and act like it(yet
> respect other races). I think it comes from the fact that, unfortunately,
> blacks have had practice at this. They act like bada$$ motherfu*kers because
> they get treated like $hit anyway(obviously not condoning this). If they act
> like the bada$$ guys, then they're just as tough. <<

Ok, no comment.. cause I don't have anything against the black
community, just against the white ones that try to act black!


>
> >>I went through the same thing. Nice guys DO finish last, as long as the
> woman or girl is immature. Most women do grow out of this and, usually in mid
> 20's, start looking for the guys who will be faithful, bring home a nice
> paycheck, etc. Trust me, it does get better.<<


I think I have figured that part out yet... unfortunately though, I am
only 21 at the time and I usually only like women a year or two younger
then me.


-Dan-

Dan Lukiw

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>
> What does "being black" mean in this day of cross-culture anyway? Would you
> also say a black man who likes Metallica is trying to "be white?" What if he
> wears a cowboy hat sometimes?


Ok, I've seen black people wear cowboy hats, but I don't see them at
Metallica concerts, or at least, not many....


>
> I will certainly agree that most newer rap is crappy rap though. I think MC
> Hammer's second album pretty much marks the date when most rap started going
> downhill. Hmmm, or maybe there's just a broader choice of styles available
> now. But who can forget the oldies? "Well, I'm Keith Cowboy, and you're my
> cow, so what you MCs gonna do now? I'm going to tie you up, and here's my plan,
> you won't even get bread and water, my man." hahaha :)


LOL!
-Dan-

Klaus Breuer

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> <SNIP>
> Interesting story.
> But it seems that you are equally the so-called trouble maker that you
> ellude towards his being.

More detail, please. I also found some of it strange (like the high
speed chase past his house), but more or less typical.

> He turns up his stereo and you laugh.

Only possible reaction, my man.

> He gets out of the car, you and your friend backs down on the physical
> challenge, but you take up the challenge in your cars later.

So it's dumb to avoid violence?

> All of you are punks.

Hey, not *me*!

> I am one too, but I don't pretend to be the little good choirboy.

Tss, Tss. People who need to call themselves Punks, aren't. Now I'm not
a Punk myself - I'm a nasty bastard. And nobody mistakes me for a
good choirboy ;)

Ciao,
Klaus

Yossarian

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Brad wrote in message <36C9E889...@ix.netcom.com>...

>DSvochak wrote:
>
>> "Basically, I hope I don't offend anyone, but they are white people trying to
>> be black. They listen to the same old crappy rap."
>
>What does "being black" mean in this day of cross-culture anyway? Would you
>also say a black man who likes Metallica is trying to "be white?" What if he
>wears a cowboy hat sometimes?
I don't think it's so much that they're "trying to be black," but that they're
white suburban kids trying to enact the "bad" lifestyle. Notice that everything
"cool" (gangsta rap, supremely baggy pants - less-baggy pants started with the
skateboarders, etc.) started out on the "street." I believe some magazine did a
story on this trend recently - Spin or something. All I remember is the title -
"What it means when the white boy says 'yo'."

Wood...@removethis-yahoo.com

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On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:36:06 -0500, Dan Lukiw <dlu...@injersey.com>
wrote:

<SNIP>


Interesting story.

But it seems that you are equally the so-called trouble maker that you
ellude towards his being.

He turns up his stereo and you laugh.

He gets out of the car, you and your friend backs down on the physical


challenge, but you take up the challenge in your cars later.

All of you are punks.

I am one too, but I don't pretend to be the little good choirboy.

Spreadman

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Dan wrote:

<< What made you chose yellow? I chose black to help hide those damn fake
hood scoops! >>

Well, I have always had black cars, and they looked BOO-TEE-FULL, but they were
SO hard to keep looking clean (swirl marks and all.) That, and the first
Mustang I saw was in R&T's GT issue....with the Yellow stang. I fell in love.
Plus I feel Yellow fits my personality. Yellow doesn't look good on ALL cars,
but on the Mustang, I thought it had that certain pizzazz (sp). Thank god I
got all that bat-outta-hell driving style out of my system when I was
younger....I'll have a hard enough time keeping police at bay with the color.
=)

Scotty
Spre...@nospamaol.com (remove "nospam") to e-mail
'97 Ford Explorer Sport (FOR SALE)

Craig Keto

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Ok, I've seen black people wear cowboy hats, but I don't see them at
>Metallica concerts, or at least, not many....

Have you heard Sevendust? Their lead singer is black, with dreads, and is
hard as hell!

Dan Lukiw

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Wood...@removethis-yahoo.com wrote:

> Interesting story.
>
> But it seems that you are equally the so-called trouble maker that you
> ellude towards his being.
>
> He turns up his stereo and you laugh.

Right... but I don't laugh at his stereo. It had nice bass and all, I
just laughed at him trying to act "cool" in front of us. Hell, I live on
a DEAD END street. I was at the end of the street right in front of my
house, he turns around with nobody else in sight to try and impress
besides me, my friend, himself and his girlfriend and then turns up his
little bass pumping stereo. What was I supposed to do, cry that he had a
lot of bass? It's not the point that I laughed to be a trouble maker. I
wasn't looking for trouble at all. I just laughed because I thought it
was funny


>
> He gets out of the car, you and your friend backs down on the physical
> challenge, but you take up the challenge in your cars later.

First of all, it's back down, not BACKS down. Secondly, my friend is a
3rd degree black belt meaning he can't physically do anything to anyone
first unless he gets attacked and uses it in self defense. By law, he is
considered a lethal weapon. Neither of us backed down, but neither of us
budged to try and defend ourselves. When the kid got out of his car, I
laughed. Why? Because I'm a lover, not a fighter... I'm 20 at the time
of this, he was around 17... do I need to spend a night in jail while he
gets his hands slapped by his mommy and daddy? I don't think so.

As for the car bit, the kid *wanted* to race! It's a different story if
you *want* to race someone rather then trying to pass someone on a
double yellow line without them even having knowledge that a race is
wanted (which is exactly what happened to my friend) How do I know he
wanted to race? Well, considering the kid slowed down to about 15mph
under the speed limit, sped up, slowed down again, sped up and then gave
me the finger, I kind of got the hint. Now, unless he was getting
confused with his gas and brake pedals... I don't know what else to tell
you.

> All of you are punks.
>
> I am one too, but I don't pretend to be the little good choirboy.

Pretend to be little choirboys? Oh, that's a good one. The way I see it,
you're angry. You're angry because you are the person I describe in this
whole thread. To call all of us punks here... I don't know about that. I
think the youngest person on here I have seen is 17, the rest are older
guys just minding their own business and living their own lives. Anyway,
who cares if I fought the guy or not? I'm a lover, not a figther. The
only time I fight is during my hockey games, I don't fight with people
who get pissed off for no apparent reason. Gee.
-Dan-
'65 Mustang 289 V8, Burgondy Red
'96 Red Pontiac Grand Am (Soon about to be turned in from the lease)
'99 Black Mustang GT (In a few weeks)

Wood...@removethis-yahoo.com

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On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:33:18 -0800, Klaus Breuer
<Kl...@LightSpeed.net> wrote:

>> <SNIP>


>> Interesting story.
>> But it seems that you are equally the so-called trouble maker that you
>> ellude towards his being.
>

>More detail, please. I also found some of it strange (like the high
>speed chase past his house), but more or less typical.
>

>> He turns up his stereo and you laugh.
>

>Only possible reaction, my man.
>

>> He gets out of the car, you and your friend backs down on the physical
>> challenge, but you take up the challenge in your cars later.
>

>So it's dumb to avoid violence?

No you penis, they were all fucking with each other back and forth.


>
>> All of you are punks.
>

>Hey, not *me*!


>
>> I am one too, but I don't pretend to be the little good choirboy.
>

>Tss, Tss. People who need to call themselves Punks, aren't. Now I'm not
>a Punk myself - I'm a nasty bastard. And nobody mistakes me for a
>good choirboy ;)
>
>Ciao,
>Klaus


People who need to call themselves "nasty bastards", aren't.

But I think you're a fag though.

Wood...@removethis-yahoo.com

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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:24:15 -0500, Dan Lukiw <dlu...@injersey.com>
wrote:

>Wood...@removethis-yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Interesting story.
>>
>> But it seems that you are equally the so-called trouble maker that you
>> ellude towards his being.
>>

>> He turns up his stereo and you laugh.
>

>Right... but I don't laugh at his stereo. It had nice bass and all, I
>just laughed at him trying to act "cool" in front of us. Hell, I live on
>a DEAD END street. I was at the end of the street right in front of my
>house, he turns around with nobody else in sight to try and impress
>besides me, my friend, himself and his girlfriend and then turns up his
>little bass pumping stereo. What was I supposed to do, cry that he had a
>lot of bass? It's not the point that I laughed to be a trouble maker. I
>wasn't looking for trouble at all. I just laughed because I thought it
>was funny
>
>
>>

>> He gets out of the car, you and your friend backs down on the physical
>> challenge, but you take up the challenge in your cars later.
>

>First of all, it's back down, not BACKS down. Secondly, my friend is a
>3rd degree black belt meaning he can't physically do anything to anyone
>first unless he gets attacked and uses it in self defense. By law, he is
>considered a lethal weapon. Neither of us backed down, but neither of us
>budged to try and defend ourselves. When the kid got out of his car, I
>laughed. Why? Because I'm a lover, not a fighter... I'm 20 at the time
>of this, he was around 17... do I need to spend a night in jail while he
>gets his hands slapped by his mommy and daddy? I don't think so.
>
>As for the car bit, the kid *wanted* to race! It's a different story if
>you *want* to race someone rather then trying to pass someone on a
>double yellow line without them even having knowledge that a race is
>wanted (which is exactly what happened to my friend) How do I know he
>wanted to race? Well, considering the kid slowed down to about 15mph
>under the speed limit, sped up, slowed down again, sped up and then gave
>me the finger, I kind of got the hint. Now, unless he was getting
>confused with his gas and brake pedals... I don't know what else to tell
>you.
>
>
>
>

>> All of you are punks.
>>

>> I am one too, but I don't pretend to be the little good choirboy.
>

>Pretend to be little choirboys? Oh, that's a good one. The way I see it,
>you're angry. You're angry because you are the person I describe in this
>whole thread. To call all of us punks here... I don't know about that. I
>think the youngest person on here I have seen is 17, the rest are older
>guys just minding their own business and living their own lives. Anyway,
>who cares if I fought the guy or not? I'm a lover, not a figther. The
>only time I fight is during my hockey games, I don't fight with people
>who get pissed off for no apparent reason. Gee.
>-Dan-
>'65 Mustang 289 V8, Burgondy Red
>'96 Red Pontiac Grand Am (Soon about to be turned in from the lease)
>'99 Black Mustang GT (In a few weeks)


No, the both of you enjoyed confrontations.

And what is this shit about "Hope-tees"?

Are you trying to be known as the dumbass who coins this indentity?

Stop saying it please.

If you ever pull up next to my Mustang, you'll get a heart attack.

Btw, thanks for the spelling check....get a life, geez.

Chris Matthaei

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>But I think you're a fag though.

We really value your opinion, fuckface. Really, we do.

Chris

Mr 5 0n ya

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Occasionally you will find the "nice" girl as well. But
for the majority out there, it's the same old schtick!>>

I have to contribute to this thread, because I can definately relate. I have
always tried to be the "nice guy" with every girl I've gone out with- and I
always got burned. Ditched for a "riskier" guy or an ex. I'm now engaged to a
girl who most of those guys would probably consider boring. She's sweet, very
responsible and down to earth. She's not the finest girl I've ever seen, but
she is aesthetically pleasing and more importantly I know exactly who she is
and neither of us ever has to worry about ulterior motives. She has never
criticized any of my "immature" interests (muscle cars, video games, intense
music interest) at age 22 and loves me for who I am, and I her. There is hope
people...


Sam Ford
'88 TC

nytebyte

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Feb 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/17/99
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Good story although reading about these hope-tee's makes me want to
vomit. Saw a good one yesterday, it was your standard Saturn
econobox, lowered, big airplane wing and dual-exhaust pipes sticking
out of the rear bumper which was cut to fit them. Each one had two
exhaust pipes (for a total of four). Tinted windows and stickers
everywhere, and of course the loud, thumping "dope-ass" bass (I
believe that's the rice boy's technical term for "loud"). I thought I
was gonna bazooka puke right through his window.
And what is with those bowl haircuts, baggy assed pants and hats on
backwards? Who starts these trends and when will it end? Maybe I'm
just getting old and don't understand today's youth.

On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:36:06 -0500, Dan Lukiw <dlu...@injersey.com>
wrote:

>You all are probably saying to yourselves, what the hell is a hope-tee?

96 GT Stock (except for silencer)

bry...@ix.netcom.com

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Living in Los Angeles, I see more than my share of "ricerockets" driving up
and down the streets, even more so in Westwood, near UCLA (the University of
Caucasians Lost among Asians). It doesn't necessarily make me nauseous, but
it *is* damn funny. I gotta wonder what the hell those guys are thinking
dropping 2-3k to make their cars /slower/!

I don't, however, think there's anything wrong with a loud, high-fidelity
stereo system. I'm a big fan of being able to listen to my favorite songs
loudly, without having to cringe over the distortion or any miscellaneous
rattling noises. Personally, I think the loud music helps you "go fastah."
<g>

Bryce

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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:58:25 GMT, fu...@mcs.com (Chris Matthaei)
wrote:

Was I talking to you dumbass?

Btw, you drive like shit.

Jared Rude

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Wood...@removethis-yahoo.com wrote:

> If you ever pull up next to my Mustang, you'll get a heart attack.

Why would any other Mustang owner have a heart attack from pulling up
next to another (cool looking) Mustang?

Does your Mustang have 13 inch diameter gold plated wire wheels that
stick out of the fenders four inches?

Does it have a huge obnoxious rice wing?

Does it have cool "VP Racing Fuels" stickers all over it, yet it still
retains the stock engine?

Does it have six inch diameter fart can tailpipes?

Does it have windows that are tinted more than one color?

Does it have huge graphics painted across more than one body panel? Or
across a body panel and part of the windshield or rear window?

Does it have the words "Powered by Honda" in huge letters anyhere on the
car?

Does it have strobe lights inserted into the lights, or under the hood,
or under the body?

Does it have neon anyhwere on, or under, the car?

Does it carry a "NOS" sticker, yet no itrous oxide is present?

Instead of the 5.0 emblems, does it have "Mugen" stickers?

If I saw any of the above, I'd probably have a heart attack. And I'm
only 27.

Dan Lukiw

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>
> No, the both of you enjoyed confrontations.

You know what, it's not that we enjoyed the confrontation... it's just
that we thought it was funny to see how stupid these people tried to
act.


>
> And what is this shit about "Hope-tees"?
>
> Are you trying to be known as the dumbass who coins this indentity?
>
> Stop saying it please.

I can say it if I like! What do you care if I say hope-tee anyway? It's
not like I'm pointing my finger right at you when I am saying it... or
am I?

>
> If you ever pull up next to my Mustang, you'll get a heart attack.

Oh brother! Let me see, since you are so confident that your 93 LX will
give me a heart attack, why don't you tell me what you dropped in there?
The one thing I have learned in my 5 years of owning a Mustang is that
all mustang drivers usually have respect for one another. I don't see
someone out there saying "My mustang is better then yours!" And if I do,
it usually is some punk kid that says it. To tell you the truth, the one
Mustang I have right now, I did absolutlely nothing to the car except
replace some of the older original parts on there. It's not like I race
the thing, I use it for show! As for my new one, sure, I might do a few
things with it, but that's it. It's a car to get me from point A to
point B. You, have acted like nothing but a jerk to myself and to others
on this newsgroup. Come to think of it, you remind me of someone I went
to highschool with and judging by your e-mail address
Wood...@yahoo.com, I think you just might be him! The guy has a 93 LX,
his nickname is Woody... hmmm... I wonder.....
-Dan-

Brad

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Dan Lukiw wrote:
>
> >
> > What does "being black" mean in this day of cross-culture anyway? Would you
> > also say a black man who likes Metallica is trying to "be white?" What if he
> > wears a cowboy hat sometimes?
>
> Ok, I've seen black people wear cowboy hats, but I don't see them at
> Metallica concerts, or at least, not many....

And if you did see more black people at Metallica concerts, would you say they
are trying to "be white?" Hopefully not. I understand you probably mean the
"gangsta" attitude/act and the like that some rappers use to push a product, if
so, leave the "being black" description behind.

Brad

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Dan Lukiw wrote:

> Brad wrote:

> A "nice guy"
> > doesn't dare use sexually suggestive references or flirt -- heaven forbid a man
> > shows interest in a woman's sexuality. A "nice guy" is often a guy who does a
> > woman favors and helps her out with the hope that she will reciprocate with
> > sex.
>
> Yep, good definition of a nice guy!

Is this sarcasm or are you agreeing? Notice the quotes. A "nice guy" will
shower her with gifts not because he's nice or giving but because he's trying to
buy her affection. "Geez, I shoveled her driveway, I washed her car, I bought
her flowers, I took her to a movie, I paid for a big dinner, I even rented a
limo... and I barely got a thank you out of it. What's a guy gotta do?" A
"nice guy" often refrains from showing a woman he's interested in her
romantically or fails to advance the relationship in that direction fast enough
as if it's a taboo subject with her. And they say women give mixed signals!

> > Romance 101 class is dismissed for the day. :Ž


>
> Thanks for the lesson. Is there going to be a test later on?

Every single day of your life. Study well.

Klaus Breuer

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> >> He gets out of the car, you and your friend backs down on the physical
> >> challenge, but you take up the challenge in your cars later.
> >
> >So it's dumb to avoid violence?
> No you penis, they were all fucking with each other back and forth.

Oooooh, I've been insulted. *feels faint*

> >> I am one too, but I don't pretend to be the little good choirboy.

> >Tss, Tss. People who need to call themselves Punks, aren't. Now I'm not
> >a Punk myself - I'm a nasty bastard. And nobody mistakes me for a
> >good choirboy ;)
>

> People who need to call themselves "nasty bastards", aren't.

No, they get other people to call them that ;)

> But I think you're a fag though.

*Point* Look, Mummy, there's an Impolite Man on usenet! Oooooh, a
rarity! Hey, you guys, come look at this! <FX>Oooooohh!</FX>

Think you can insult me, little man? Think again.

Klaus Breuer

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[snip]

> >point B. You, have acted like nothing but a jerk to myself and to others
> >on this newsgroup. Come to think of it, you remind me of someone I went
> >to highschool with and judging by your e-mail address
> >Wood...@yahoo.com, I think you just might be him! The guy has a 93 LX,
> >his nickname is Woody... hmmm... I wonder.....
> >-Dan-
>

> Others? It's only you and another dumbass that attacked me.
>
> Your post is about street confrontations with another punk, who's just
> like you, except he's got balls.

Hey, Woody, relax. Calm down. Take a deep breath. Another one. No, don't
say anything. Breathe deeply.
Better?

Good.

You see, there's no sense in posting when you're angry. You only
appear impolite and childish (no, really). If you talk like that on
the street, fine. But hiding on the net... it's sad, you know?

Wood...@removethis-yahoo.com

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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:00:28 -0500, Jared Rude
<jr...@nospamforme.paging.mot.com> wrote:

>Wood...@removethis-yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> If you ever pull up next to my Mustang, you'll get a heart attack.
>

>Why would any other Mustang owner have a heart attack from pulling up
>next to another (cool looking) Mustang?

>Does it have a huge obnoxious rice wing?

He doens't own a Mustang.

Actually the ricewing would help keep my rear down at high
speeds...holy shit, I can't believe how fast I get up to 140mph with
plenty of tach left.

>Does it have six inch diameter fart can tailpipes?

This would look great on my LX.

>Does it have huge graphics painted across more than one body panel? Or
>across a body panel and part of the windshield or rear window?

Trick paint work looks great. Look in last month's MM&FF (notchback
issue).


>
>Does it have the words "Powered by Honda" in huge letters anyhere on the
>car?

It's got the Tuner's Shop decal on it.


>
>Does it have strobe lights inserted into the lights, or under the hood,
>or under the body?

Are these foglights? They look good.

>
>Does it have neon anyhwere on, or under, the car?

This is probably still illegal in most states.


>
>Does it carry a "NOS" sticker, yet no itrous oxide is present?

Never, then nobody would race me.

Wood...@removethis-yahoo.com

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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:55:27 -0500, Dan Lukiw <dlu...@injersey.com>
wrote:

>> If you ever pull up next to my Mustang, you'll get a heart attack.
>

>Oh brother! Let me see, since you are so confident that your 93 LX will
>give me a heart attack, why don't you tell me what you dropped in there?
>The one thing I have learned in my 5 years of owning a Mustang is that
>all mustang drivers usually have respect for one another. I don't see
>someone out there saying "My mustang is better then yours!" And if I do,
>it usually is some punk kid that says it. To tell you the truth, the one
>Mustang I have right now, I did absolutlely nothing to the car except
>replace some of the older original parts on there. It's not like I race
>the thing, I use it for show! As for my new one, sure, I might do a few
>things with it, but that's it. It's a car to get me from point A to

TFrog93

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In article <36cb5243...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
Wood...@removethis-yahoo.com writes:

>Was I talking to you dumbass?
>
>Btw, you drive like shit.

Woody having a bad day?

USENET, Woody. You're talking to EVERYBODY. Do I really have to explain?

BTW, you THINK you're a driver, but everyone around you knows better.

dwight


TFrog93

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Feb 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/18/99
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In article <bcpy2.887$i86....@news.flash.net>, "Yossarian"
<yo...@tabrasa.hypermart.net> writes:

>>What does "being black" mean in this day of cross-culture anyway?
>>Would you also say a black man who likes Metallica is trying to "be
>>white?" What if he wears a cowboy hat sometimes?
>

>I don't think it's so much that they're "trying to be black," but that
>they're white suburban kids trying to enact the "bad" lifestyle. Notice
>that everything "cool" (gangsta rap, supremely baggy pants - less-baggy
>pants started with the skateboarders, etc.) started out on the "street." I
>believe some magazine did a story on this trend recently - Spin or something.

>All I remember is the title - "What it means when the white boy says 'yo'."

No, "trying to be black" about sums it up. The rest of your "cool" examples
were all started "on the street", sure, but by blacks. Our hope-tees (if
that's what you want to call them) have adopted this black youth uniform, the
black rap music, and the black body language and slang. If that's not "trying
to be black", then I'm confused.

BTW, George Carlin's recent LIVE FROM NEW YORK on HBO was hysterical, in the
section where he went off on just this kind of nonsense. "You go, girlfriend"
should never be said by a white girl, or even ANY girl, he says. The whole
segment had me holding my stomach, I was laughing so hard. (Actually, he took
shots at everyone, including me, now that I think about it...)

I wonder whether these kids REALLY want to be black. We could move a bunch of
them to...say...Camden or West LA, and see how attractive that lifestyle really
is to them.

dwight


Wood...@removethis-yahoo.com

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Not very intelligent of you.

I saw his web page and he's got low ET for an blown car.

You don't know what my ETs are so you're just making an ass of
yourself.

Maybe you should explain to little Chris too.


Yossarian

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TFrog93 wrote in message <19990217190039...@ngol03.aol.com>...

>
>In article <bcpy2.887$i86....@news.flash.net>, "Yossarian"
><yo...@tabrasa.hypermart.net> writes:
>
>>>What does "being black" mean in this day of cross-culture anyway?
>>>Would you also say a black man who likes Metallica is trying to "be
>>>white?" What if he wears a cowboy hat sometimes?
>>
>>I don't think it's so much that they're "trying to be black," but that
>>they're white suburban kids trying to enact the "bad" lifestyle. Notice
>>that everything "cool" (gangsta rap, supremely baggy pants - less-baggy
>>pants started with the skateboarders, etc.) started out on the "street." I
>>believe some magazine did a story on this trend recently - Spin or something.
>
>>All I remember is the title - "What it means when the white boy says 'yo'."
>
>No, "trying to be black" about sums it up. The rest of your "cool" examples
>were all started "on the street", sure, but by blacks. Our hope-tees (if
>that's what you want to call them) have adopted this black youth uniform, the
>black rap music, and the black body language and slang. If that's not "trying
>to be black", then I'm confused.
Certainly they're imitating black culture, but that's not the point of it.
They're not trying to be black, they're trying to be rebellious, and the best
way to piss off your middle-aged, white, accountant father is to start becoming
a minority. If being Amish was supremely rebellious, then we'd be seeing a lot
more cart-by shootings.


>BTW, George Carlin's recent LIVE FROM NEW YORK on HBO was hysterical, in the
>section where he went off on just this kind of nonsense. "You go, girlfriend"
>should never be said by a white girl, or even ANY girl, he says. The whole
>segment had me holding my stomach, I was laughing so hard. (Actually, he took
>shots at everyone, including me, now that I think about it...)

George Carlin is the man.

>I wonder whether these kids REALLY want to be black. We could move a bunch of
>them to...say...Camden or West LA, and see how attractive that lifestyle really
>is to them.

They'd last about a week, without a shopping mall to go hang out at.


Yossarian

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Wood...@removethis-yahoo.com wrote in message
<36cb090e...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...

>People who need to call themselves "nasty bastards", aren't.
>
>But I think you're a fag though.
Fixation with penises ("Woody"93LX) and homosexuality (only insult he can think
of is "fag"), and some definite overcompensation. I sense either penis envy,
latent homosexuality, or a severe case of engine envy - Woody's LX probably
ain't even a 5.0.

Tygress(Emily)

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On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 02:47:23 GMT, "Yossarian"
<yo...@tabrasa.hypermart.net> wrote:

>
>TFrog93 wrote in message <19990217190039...@ngol03.aol.com>...
>>
>>In article <bcpy2.887$i86....@news.flash.net>, "Yossarian"
>><yo...@tabrasa.hypermart.net> writes:
>>
>>>>What does "being black" mean in this day of cross-culture anyway?
>>>>Would you also say a black man who likes Metallica is trying to "be
>>>>white?" What if he wears a cowboy hat sometimes?
>>>
>>>I don't think it's so much that they're "trying to be black," but that
>>>they're white suburban kids trying to enact the "bad" lifestyle. Notice
>>>that everything "cool" (gangsta rap, supremely baggy pants - less-baggy
>>>pants started with the skateboarders, etc.) started out on the "street." I
>>>believe some magazine did a story on this trend recently - Spin or something.
>>
>>>All I remember is the title - "What it means when the white boy says 'yo'."
>>
>>No, "trying to be black" about sums it up. The rest of your "cool" examples
>>were all started "on the street", sure, but by blacks. Our hope-tees (if
>>that's what you want to call them) have adopted this black youth uniform, the
>>black rap music, and the black body language and slang. If that's not "trying
>>to be black", then I'm confused.
>Certainly they're imitating black culture, but that's not the point of it.
>They're not trying to be black, they're trying to be rebellious, and the best
>way to piss off your middle-aged, white, accountant father is to start becoming
>a minority. If being Amish was supremely rebellious, then we'd be seeing a lot
>more cart-by shootings.


No way. Kids would give their elders a severe frowning and if they
were really pissed they'd throw in a head shake or two.

---
'69 Camaro w/Edelbrock manifold and fancy plug wires
'85 Cutlass w/airfilter upgrades w/tricked spark plugs
There's maybe something else on those that I forgot, but
it probably doesn't matter as much. ;) Probably.

Dan Lukiw

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Feb 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/18/99
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>
> He doens't own a Mustang.
>

I don't? Hmmm... I wonder if that car sitting in my garage is something
else then if it's not a Mustang! Read the threads, I'm gonna be owning
my second Mustang in a few short weeks! I now have a 65 and in about 3
weeks, my 99 Gt should be in and ready to drive away in! That's all I
wanted to clear up.
-Dan-

Wood...@yahoo-nospam-.com

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Feb 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/18/99
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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:29:26 -0800, Klaus Breuer
<kl...@lightspeed.net> wrote:

>[snip]


>
>> >point B. You, have acted like nothing but a jerk to myself and to others
>> >on this newsgroup. Come to think of it, you remind me of someone I went
>> >to highschool with and judging by your e-mail address
>> >Wood...@yahoo.com, I think you just might be him! The guy has a 93 LX,
>> >his nickname is Woody... hmmm... I wonder.....
>> >-Dan-
>>
>> Others? It's only you and another dumbass that attacked me.
>>
>> Your post is about street confrontations with another punk, who's just
>> like you, except he's got balls.
>

>Hey, Woody, relax. Calm down. Take a deep breath. Another one. No, don't
>say anything. Breathe deeply.
>Better?
>
>Good.
>
>You see, there's no sense in posting when you're angry. You only
>appear impolite and childish (no, really). If you talk like that on
>the street, fine. But hiding on the net... it's sad, you know?
>
>Ciao,
>Klaus


I'm kind of talking the same way that you are.

Wood...@yahoonospam.com

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Btw, to its logical conclusion, aren't you hiding on the internet by
the defining terms you've set thereof?

Woody

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Feb 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/18/99
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On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:55:12 -0500, Dan Lukiw <dlu...@injersey.com>
wrote:

>>


Ok my mistake...

http://youvegotmail.acmecity.com/west61st/201/

TFrog93

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Feb 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/18/99
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In article <36cba0b2...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
Wood...@removethis-yahoo.com writes:

>Not very intelligent of you.
>
>I saw his web page and he's got low ET for an blown car.
>
>You don't know what my ETs are so you're just making an ass of
>yourself.

No, Woody, I don't know what your ET is. And guess what? I don't care. I
don't care if you ever go to the track, and I don't care if your Mustang has
four or eight cylinders. I just saw someone making an ass of himself, and
thought I'd join in.

>Maybe you should explain to little Chris too.

Whatever.


Woody

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No, you're the guy who made an ass of himself.

Klaus Breuer

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Feb 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/18/99
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[snip]

> >Hey, Woody, relax. Calm down. Take a deep breath. Another one. No, don't
> >say anything. Breathe deeply.
> >Better?
> >
> >Good.
> >
> >You see, there's no sense in posting when you're angry. You only
> >appear impolite and childish (no, really). If you talk like that on
> >the street, fine. But hiding on the net... it's sad, you know?

> Btw, to its logical conclusion, aren't you hiding on the internet by


> the defining terms you've set thereof?

No. I'm not insulting people, see.

Klaus Breuer

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Feb 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/18/99
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[snip]

> >You see, there's no sense in posting when you're angry. You only
> >appear impolite and childish (no, really). If you talk like that on
> >the street, fine. But hiding on the net... it's sad, you know?

> I'm kind of talking the same way that you are.

Hmmm. After reading that sentence a couple of times, I still don't
get it. Is it meant as an insult? Told you they don't help.

Ciao,
Klaus

PS: If you think of something (un?)cool to say after you've already
posted, it's not considered polite to reply to the same message
again. Makes you look over-hasty and foolish.

Klaus Breuer

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Feb 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/18/99
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> > He doens't own a Mustang.
> I don't? Hmmm... I wonder if that car sitting in my garage is something
> else then if it's not a Mustang! Read the threads, I'm gonna be owning
> my second Mustang in a few short weeks! I now have a 65 and in about 3
> weeks, my 99 Gt should be in and ready to drive away in! That's all I

Hey, Dan, if you have a beauty like a 65 (Fastback?), how come you
buy a modern monstrosity like the 99? Personal preference?

Ciao,
Klaus

TFrog93

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Feb 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/19/99
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In article <36cca5b0...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, Wood...@yahoonospam.com
(Woody) writes:

>No, you're the guy who made an ass of himself.

Okay, "Woody".

Woody

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On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:52:33 -0800, Klaus Breuer
<kl...@lightspeed.net> wrote:

>[snip]
>> >You see, there's no sense in posting when you're angry. You only
>> >appear impolite and childish (no, really). If you talk like that on
>> >the street, fine. But hiding on the net... it's sad, you know?
>
>> I'm kind of talking the same way that you are.
>
>Hmmm. After reading that sentence a couple of times, I still don't
>get it. Is it meant as an insult? Told you they don't help.
>
>Ciao,
>Klaus
>
>PS: If you think of something (un?)cool to say after you've already
>posted, it's not considered polite to reply to the same message
>again. Makes you look over-hasty and foolish.
>

>---
>"What, I need a *reason* for everything?" -- Calvin
>"Should I or shouldn't I? Too late, I did!" -- Hobbes


And you're doing the same thing.

Woody

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Okay, Asshole Online.

Dan Lukiw

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Feb 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/19/99
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>
> Hey, Dan, if you have a beauty like a 65 (Fastback?), how come you
> buy a modern monstrosity like the 99? Personal preference?
>


Well, for starters, I can only technically drive my 65 about 3000 miles
a year because of the classic plates I have on there (or was it
historic?) If I wanted to drive it everyday, it would be tough to take
that thing to inspection since NJ really cracked down on the emissions
of some of the older cars. I was considering getting myself a 5.0 at the
time I decided to get the GT, also in my ballpark for getting a car was
the BMW 328i and the Suburu <sp?> Impreza which I would have done the
rally racing modifications too. But, I liked the new body style on the
Mustang and just the look alone. Then I test drove one and made up my
mind and got it.. like you said, just personal preference.
-Dan-

Klaus Breuer

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Feb 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/19/99
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> >> >You see, there's no sense in posting when you're angry. You only
> >> >appear impolite and childish (no, really). If you talk like that on
> >> >the street, fine. But hiding on the net... it's sad, you know?
> >
> >> I'm kind of talking the same way that you are.
> >
> >Hmmm. After reading that sentence a couple of times, I still don't
> >get it. Is it meant as an insult? Told you they don't help.
> >
> >PS: If you think of something (un?)cool to say after you've already
> >posted, it's not considered polite to reply to the same message
> >again. Makes you look over-hasty and foolish.

> And you're doing the same thing.

Ah. If you say so.

Look, quoting an entire post and adding a single (uninformative) line
to the bottom is the sure sign of an AOLer of somebody of similar
mentality.

I'm getting tired of you - you bore me, and your insults are weak and
unoriginal.
Welcome to my killfile (for the weak of mind:
this means my system will automatically drop all messages from you).

Bye.

Ciao,
Klaus

Klaus Breuer

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Feb 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/19/99
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Hi!

> > Hey, Dan, if you have a beauty like a 65 (Fastback?), how come you
> > buy a modern monstrosity like the 99? Personal preference?

> Well, for starters, I can only technically drive my 65 about 3000 miles
> a year because of the classic plates I have on there (or was it
> historic?) If I wanted to drive it everyday, it would be tough to take
> that thing to inspection since NJ really cracked down on the emissions
> of some of the older cars. I was considering getting myself a 5.0 at

Wow. Here in California, I drive my '68 every day. Couldn't imagine
being limited to x miles per year. Cars over a certain age are
automagically excempt from smog testing :)

Woody

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Feb 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/20/99
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On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:30:58 -0800, Klaus Breuer
<kl...@lightspeed.net> wrote:

>> >> >You see, there's no sense in posting when you're angry. You only
>> >> >appear impolite and childish (no, really). If you talk like that on
>> >> >the street, fine. But hiding on the net... it's sad, you know?
>> >
>> >> I'm kind of talking the same way that you are.
>> >
>> >Hmmm. After reading that sentence a couple of times, I still don't
>> >get it. Is it meant as an insult? Told you they don't help.
>> >
>> >PS: If you think of something (un?)cool to say after you've already
>> >posted, it's not considered polite to reply to the same message
>> >again. Makes you look over-hasty and foolish.
>
>> And you're doing the same thing.
>
>Ah. If you say so.
>
>Look, quoting an entire post and adding a single (uninformative) line
>to the bottom is the sure sign of an AOLer of somebody of similar
>mentality.
>
>I'm getting tired of you - you bore me, and your insults are weak and
>unoriginal.
>Welcome to my killfile (for the weak of mind:
>this means my system will automatically drop all messages from you).
>
>Bye.
>

>Ciao,
>Klaus
>---
>"What, I need a *reason* for everything?" -- Calvin
>"Should I or shouldn't I? Too late, I did!" -- Hobbes

I doubt it.

Shiela

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Feb 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/20/99
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Woody wrote in message <36ce42da...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
>I doubt it.

Twit.


Shiela

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Feb 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/20/99
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Woody wrote in message <36cda7d...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...

Double twit.

Woody

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Feb 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/21/99
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On 20 Feb 1999 18:11:36 GMT, "Shiela" <LX9...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:

fuck you, who the hell's talking to you?

TFrog93

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Feb 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/22/99
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In article <36d0546...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, Wood...@yahoonospam.com
(Woody) writes:

>On 20 Feb 1999 18:11:36 GMT, "Shiela" <LX9...@worldnet.att.net>
>wrote:
>

>>>Okay, Asshole Online.
>>
>>Double twit.
>
>fuck you, who the hell's talking to you?

Yeah, ya just can't have a private conversation on USENET anymore...

But she's right.

Woody

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Feb 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/23/99
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ok then, FU too

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