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Martin

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Jul 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/4/99
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I have a drag racing question. Can you tell approximately how fast a car
will run the quarter assuming good traction if you know the trap speed?

My Mustang is running 103-105mph at the end of the quarter but my times
are only in the 14.3-14.5 range.

I have a 68 with a 428cj and can't seem to get any traction.

Any ideas on just what times I should get if I can improve my driving
and\or get good grip?

Ken Davis

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Jul 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/5/99
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What are your 60' times?

-Ken
'99 Mustang GT (chrome yellow)
Just installed Bassani's and 3-chamber Flowmasters
14.36 @99.3 mph 60' -> 2.26
http://members.aol.com/yella99gt/home/HomeKD.html
(last updated 6/11/1999)

NoOption5L

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Jul 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/5/99
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In article <378005...@inforamp.net>, Martin <chad...@inforamp.net> writes:

>I have a drag racing question. Can you tell approximately how fast a car
>will run the quarter assuming good traction if you know the trap speed?

>My Mustang is running 103-105mph at the end of the quarter but my times
>are only in the 14.3-14.5 range.

Running 105 you could be dipping into the 12s with slicks, but mid to low 13s
are what you should be getting with sticky street tires.

>I have a 68 with a 428cj and can't seem to get any traction.

>Any ideas on just what times I should get if I can improve my driving
>and\or get good grip?

Get some drag radials and then practice, practice, practice.....

Patrick

'93 Mustang Cobra
14.18 @ 99.18 with no bolt-ons...yet.

Former original owner of a '87 5 liter 5 speed LX.
14.2 @ 98 stock - 13.8 @ 101 lightly modded.

I'm not brand loyal. If it's fast, I like it.


David Cole

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Jul 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/5/99
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Martin <chad...@inforamp.net> wrote in <378005...@inforamp.net>:

>I have a drag racing question. Can you tell approximately how fast a car
>will run the quarter assuming good traction if you know the trap speed?
>
>My Mustang is running 103-105mph at the end of the quarter but my times
>are only in the 14.3-14.5 range.
>

>I have a 68 with a 428cj and can't seem to get any traction.
>
>Any ideas on just what times I should get if I can improve my driving
>and\or get good grip?

Get some Cal-Tracs traction bars and some adjustable rear shocks. Cheapo
shocks will work fine on the front. The Cal-Tracs did wonders for my 69
Fastback w/383-W stroker C-6 auto. On slicks it runs 1.55 60 fts. 1/8
mile @7.10 at 97, 1/4 @11.15 @123-124. Thats on a 28X10 slick but with the
original 30 year old leaf springs, Rancho #9204 4X4 truck shocks on the
rear, 90/10 drag shocks on the front, stock front suspension, battery
relocated to trunk.

Any question, just ask, I've been trying different things on my 69 for the
last 8 years and I know what will work and what won't for the early
Mustangs.

Later,

David Cole


Martin

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Jul 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/5/99
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My 60 foot times are around 2.7 on a good run. I have KYB Gas-Adjust
shocks all the way around. I also have a C6 with a 2500 stall converter.
I have 4.30 gears in the rear. I am running on Goodyear Eagle P235/60R15
tires.

I have made a lot of modifications to the engine including a Comp Cams
roller cam, roller rockers etc.

I would like to get into the 12's and think I should be able to with the
engine. The chassis however may be the problem.I was thinking of
switching to a 3.50:1 rear to try and avoid spinning. I have found it a
bit better when I start off in second gear instead of first.

Do you think 12's are realistic?

Martin

c4t...@sprynet.com

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Jul 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/5/99
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Martin <chad...@inforamp.net> wrote:

> My 60 foot times are around 2.7 on a good run. I have KYB Gas-Adjust
> shocks all the way around. I also have a C6 with a 2500 stall converter.
> I have 4.30 gears in the rear. I am running on Goodyear Eagle P235/60R15
> tires.

Holy shit!. Those 2.7 60 foots are terrible. I think that's your problem
right there. I suggest getting some REAL SLICKS. Those radials you are
running are tiny, tiny, tiny and have no chance in hooking up with that
amount of power you're running.
And with those 4.30 gears in the back, I think you could go with a taller
slick for better traction. Just looking at the MT website (
http://www.mickeythompsontires.com ), I think you should go with some
29.5x11.5x15 ET Drags. Maybe someone more experienced with your
combination could suggest a better size.

> I have made a lot of modifications to the engine including a Comp Cams
> roller cam, roller rockers etc.
>
> I would like to get into the 12's and think I should be able to with the
> engine. The chassis however may be the problem.I was thinking of
> switching to a 3.50:1 rear to try and avoid spinning. I have found it a
> bit better when I start off in second gear instead of first.

Get some slicks instead. It seems that you're really enthused about drag
racing, so going with some 3.50's would reduce the fun factor. Before you
do anything else, get some slicks first. And don't even think about
getting some drag radials. Then maybe get some traction bars if traction
is still a problem like one guy here suggested. After that, practice,
practice, practice.
Also, what about some chassis bracing?



> Do you think 12's are realistic?

With traction, definitely.
--
Brian
'79 Mustang 5.0L
13...@101.7mph 1.85 60 foot.
(new best 60 foot of 1.83...updated et and mph to come)

mr...@hotmail.com
http://home.sprynet.com/~c4trans

Craig Keto

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Jul 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/5/99
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>> My 60 foot times are around 2.7 on a good run

Kawabunga!!!!

I run a 16.23 with 2.4 60 foots, your traction must be uuuuugly!!

David Cole

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Jul 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/6/99
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Martin <chad...@inforamp.net> wrote in <3780AF...@inforamp.net>:

>David Cole wrote:
>>
>> Martin <chad...@inforamp.net> wrote in <378005...@inforamp.net>:
>>
>> >I have a drag racing question. Can you tell approximately how fast a
car
>> >will run the quarter assuming good traction if you know the trap speed?
>> >
>> >My Mustang is running 103-105mph at the end of the quarter but my times
>> >are only in the 14.3-14.5 range.
>> >
>> >I have a 68 with a 428cj and can't seem to get any traction.
>> >
>> >Any ideas on just what times I should get if I can improve my driving
>> >and\or get good grip?
>>
>> Get some Cal-Tracs traction bars and some adjustable rear shocks. Cheapo
>> shocks will work fine on the front. The Cal-Tracs did wonders for my 69
>> Fastback w/383-W stroker C-6 auto. On slicks it runs 1.55 60 fts. 1/8
>> mile @7.10 at 97, 1/4 @11.15 @123-124. Thats on a 28X10 slick but with
the
>> original 30 year old leaf springs, Rancho #9204 4X4 truck shocks on the
>> rear, 90/10 drag shocks on the front, stock front suspension, battery
>> relocated to trunk.
>>
>> Any question, just ask, I've been trying different things on my 69 for
the
>> last 8 years and I know what will work and what won't for the early
>> Mustangs.
>>
>> Later,
>>
>> David Cole
>

>My 60 foot times are around 2.7 on a good run. I have KYB Gas-Adjust
>shocks all the way around. I also have a C6 with a 2500 stall converter.
>I have 4.30 gears in the rear. I am running on Goodyear Eagle P235/60R15
>tires.
>

>I have made a lot of modifications to the engine including a Comp Cams
>roller cam, roller rockers etc.
>
>I would like to get into the 12's and think I should be able to with the
>engine. The chassis however may be the problem.I was thinking of
>switching to a 3.50:1 rear to try and avoid spinning. I have found it a
>bit better when I start off in second gear instead of first.
>

>Do you think 12's are realistic?
>

>Martin

12's are in range if you deal with the traction. With your setup you
should be able to get 2.0-2.1 60 ft times. Is it just blowing the tires
off? Hooking then unloading? Is there any engine bog at all?

Some sticky tires will help, see id you can borrow some for one night. Back
when my car was running 12.90-13.00 I used a set of McCreary G-60-15 dirt
trac tires. I could drive it to the track and they worked well, running
1.85-1.90 60's. Set your shocks to the loose setting on the front and as
stiff as you can get on the back, that will help the weight transfer.

Any other questions just ask.

Later,

David Cole


Martin

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Jul 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/7/99
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Essentially it just blows the tires off. There is no bog whatsoever. I
find that I have to start at about 1\4 to 1\2 throttle in order to get
any traction at all in first gear. It's better if I start in second gear
but even then there is still wheel spin.

One thing about using sticky slicks; are they hard on the body panels? I
do not have sub frame connectors. I don't want to twist the body up.
Before I use the slicks should I get a set of sub frame connectors?

David Cole

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Jul 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/8/99
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>Essentially it just blows the tires off. There is no bog whatsoever. I
>find that I have to start at about 1\4 to 1\2 throttle in order to get
>any traction at all in first gear. It's better if I start in second gear
>but even then there is still wheel spin.
>
>One thing about using sticky slicks; are they hard on the body panels? I
>do not have sub frame connectors. I don't want to twist the body up.
>Before I use the slicks should I get a set of sub frame connectors?
>

Subframes are always a good idea, but you should be ok until you are
running 60 ft times of 1.80 or better. Slicks will make an amazing
improvement, but the McCreary's that I mentioned would help alot. They are
much cheaper than slicks and they are treaded so you can drive the car to
the track. Just don't expect much treadlife for everyday driving. The 000
treadwear rating sorta gives it away, LOL. BTW, for your car the size
slicks that you need are 26X9, they fit with no mods. 28X9 will fit, but
you have do do some interior wheelweel work with a big hammer. I run 28X10
on my 69.

Later,

David Cole


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