This fits right in with the posts above. I had never used syn in my Passat.
Even though I knew turbos could cook the oil and choke, accumulate sludge
etc.,I thought that I had enough of a margin of safety because I change the
oil every 5,000 miles. I don't run at high rpm in the heat under load
except perhaps for a few seconds at a time once in a while.
Evidently VW had thought so as well, which is why the NEVER required
synthetic oil. Until now. Engine failures out of warranty from good
customers who were not using their engines outside of their design
intentions. Note that VW has not reduced the oil change interval, and it
has not said that if you use regular oil and change it every 3,000 miles.
Regular oil is now outside the warranty. And those who did use regular oil
and can show that they changed it every 5,000 miles have an eight year
warranty on their pre- new oil standard purchased cars. Note that the car
came new with regular oil and that is what VW dealers put in during regular
So now I will switch. But my 1997 T&C van with 136,000 miles will continue
to run on dyno oil.
So, in order to get my warranty, I now have to pay more for my oil
changes? The cost of oil maintenance now just DOUBLED for the life of
the car. Since it's *their* problem, shouldn't it be solved at *their*
expense?? Does anyone have any suggestions or remedies? (I'm just a
little ticked off).
"Ron Ginsberg" <Ro...@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message news:<dgaXc.171551$bp1.1...@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
Skip going to Starbucks for a week so you can afford the $30 for an oil
Threeducks <three...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<Vt6dnWnoaPn...@comcast.com>...
OK couple things.
First of all, learn to do your own oil changes. It's not hard, and you buy
oil on sale. I use Dyno oil and I get the stuff for under a buck a quart.
even 50 cents a quart, depending on who's the rebate of the week. I've seen
plenty of rebating going on with Synthetic oil as well. Oil changing is
easy to do
and once you get the proper tools only takes about 15 minutes and if you
what your doing you don't get dirty. I've changed oil in my driveway in the
morning in 20 minutes when I've been wearing a business suit without a
I don't recommend doing it like this but I know it can be done without
up looking like the Creature from the Black Lagoon. If you use a good tall
strong floor jack, keep your tools clean, use rubber gloves, and a shop coat
over your clothes, you can do it.
Second, 5,000 miles is too long a change interval for regular oil for a
car. You should go 3K miles for regular oil and 6K miles for synthetic.
bad VW's engineers set it at 5K for synthetic but they were obviously
No longer. These extended drain interval recommendations are coming from
marketing departments trying to sell cars to people who use a slide rule to
figure out the total cost of oil changes over the life of the car at the
purchase, and by adjusting the drain interval you make the total
bill come out lower, so they buy your car.
Third, you never use regular oil in a turbo engine. I cannot believe that
v-dub's engineers were stupid enough to spec regular oil. By then the
of coking up dyno oil in turbos was known by everybody and their dog and
monkey. If I had bought your VW in 2000 I wouldn't have ever used regular
oil in it. Just one more marketing baloney spec to adjust the maintainence
Last, chill out. Use some math and calculate out the total cost of oil
over the life of the car. It's insignificant. Your going to pay more than
in fuel costs due to unforseen fuel cost increases over the life of the car.
is it that VW owners all feel the world owes them something? VW did you
a big favor. After about 4 changes with Synthetic the inside of your engine
will be cleaned out with little to no lasting damage.
Mobile 1 costs $4.50/quart at any autoparts store.
Mobil 1 no longer meets VW's oil requirements (as noted in the
technical bulletin they mailed).
I am curious to know which synthetics VW recommends. I used to buy a
synthetic made by Chevron, until it was no longer available. It was
$3.99 a quart. More recently, I have used a synthetic sold under the
NAPA name, that is manufactured by Ashland, which produces the
Valvoline brand. It was $3.49 a quart.
Mobil 1 seems to be popular with this group. Most places charge $4.99
a quart from what I have seen.
What makes one synthetic better than others?
> > Mobil 1 costs $4.50/quart at any autoparts store.
> Mobil 1 no longer meets VW's oil requirements (as noted in the
> technical bulletin they mailed).
Ja, it iss necessary to use only fine prezishun Churrman syntetic oil, not
dis cheap domestic *scheisse*.
On the road of life, there are drivers, there are passengers, and there
are dead VWs in the breakdown lane.
Go to Wal-Mart. Mobil 1 5qt container is under $20.00 in various viscosity
groups. Mobil uses a synthetic base and synthetic additives. It is a proven
product. This is not to say others are not as good.
For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <te...@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
> First of all, learn to do your own oil changes. It's not hard, and you
> oil on sale. I use Dyno oil and I get the stuff for under a buck a quart.
Pour it back into the bottles your new oil came in and take it to your
local recycle center. In some states local gas stations that do oil
changes are required to take used oil.