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Bunn E Rabbit

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Jan 11, 2004, 5:53:44 AM1/11/04
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Of course the media tends to overplay these events as here in North
Jersey as well as most of the northeast below zero temperatures usually
occur at least twice a year. The difference here is the high hasn't
reached beyond single digits.

Anyway it's so cold that:

-The snot freezes in your nose after walking outdoors for 30 seconds.

-I no longer feel like an ass for spending a grand on *heated* leather
seats in my GTi.

-A healthy car battery has trouble sending enough cold cranking amps
during the day with the car in the sun.

-I don't walk outdoors at 5am as I normally do before bed to feed the
local wildlife but drive the 1/20 of a mile while randomly throwing feed
out the window and moonroof.

-I had to 'defrost' the CD changer in the trunk in order to get it to
function.

-The gallon of spring water left in the backseat overnite was frozen
solid the next day.

-You observe numbnuts running their engines at 5000 rpms immediately
after starting the car.

-One can feel the flesh on their face freeze with just a slight breeze.

-Some jackass(author of this post) on his way home from work at 1am
decides he needs air
in the left rear tire. While getting out of the car near the air pump
spills coffee on the right hand, grabs air hose and fills tire but then
realizes right index finger is stuck to the medal tubing of hose and has
to use the same hot coffee inside the car to release stuck finger.

Finally, this evening something occurred to me. I'm self-employed and
use my car to service clients at night, some in a quite rural areas.
Now suppose in my travels my car becomes disabled for whatever reason.
Assuming the AAA may take more than an hour to arrive I could imagine
myself as a box of one of those Pet-Ritz frozen rabbit in the meat
section at the market.

I do carry water and nut mix always but perhaps someone could suggest
what to store in order to stay warm in such an event besides a typical
coat, hat and gloves.

--
Keith


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Dudhorse

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"Bunn E Rabbit" <BunnE...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> ... wonder where the people who make a living predicting global warming &
the end of life as we now know it are spending their time this winter??
Tahiti? Jamaica?


Allan Rowe

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Jan 11, 2004, 8:46:01 AM1/11/04
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>
> I do carry water and nut mix always but perhaps someone could suggest
> what to store in order to stay warm in such an event besides a typical
> coat, hat and gloves.
>

I do some work related driving in Canadian back country roads and always
carry an old milk crate in the back of the van 'just in case'. I have a
summer crate as well and rotate seasonally.

Winter crate contents:
Old, well broken-in pair of Sorrel boots, stuffed with old wool socks
Old Montreal Canadians toque stuffed with scarf (not a fan, just wanted red)
Old pair snowmobile mitts
Old red lumberjack shirt
Old Hatchet
Empty cat food can full of tea lights and bic lighter in sandwich bag
Can of cashews and whatever chocolate bars the kids have sold recently door
to door
Cover crate with light duty snow shovel

If you don't carry a flashlight, compass, first aid kit, work gloves, cloth
shopping bag, loose change, pencil, multitool & buck knife, jug of wiper
fluid, and trail marking tape permanently in your vehicle, add them to the
crate.

Always keep the gas and wiper fluid topped up as well.

Allan


Rosemarie Ventura

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"Bunn E Rabbit" <BunnE...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> I do carry water and nut mix always but perhaps someone could suggest
> what to store in order to stay warm in such an event besides a typical
> coat, hat and gloves.
>
> --
> Keith

I guess we are assuming the battery is dead, your auto jumpstart
didn't work, or for some other reason your car heater and
electronics won't work.

A sleeping bag and a handfull of those handwarmers/footwarmers
will do nicely. If the car lights are out, you also want a nice bright
emergency flasher light or something so you can be spotted.


-Cap'n TrVth--

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That's probably o.k. for City folk, but you'd last about 8 hours on the
Allagash with that kit.

-Cap

-Cap


Jon

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Jan 11, 2004, 12:59:56 PM1/11/04
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> I do carry water and nut mix always but perhaps someone could suggest
> what to store in order to stay warm in such an event besides a typical
> coat, hat and gloves.

Yup,

The following would be very useful:
1. Space Blanket: Purchase at any Camping/Army Navy Surplus.
Cost:$2.00
2. Military Surplus Wool Blanket-Fold it up tight and keep it on the
floor of your back seat. Cost: $15.00
3. Hand Warmers purchase at Wal-Mart. Chemicals that become
exothermic when they are activated. Cost: $4.00 (I'd get two packs).
4. Nice warm scarf. Cost: $20.00
5. Polar-Tek Thermal Underwear. Cost for top and bottoms: $50.00
6. Large Thermos with hearty soup of your choice (refilled each
day). Cost: $20.00
7. Road Flares. Cost: $3.00
8. Strobe/Signal Light (Worth its weight in gold if you get
stuck/stranded). Cost: $15.00
9. Fire Extinguisher. Yep some damn fool usually resorts to using
fire, which is never a bad thing, but crap happens. Be prepared when
it does! Cost: $10.00
10. Lighter. See above. If you are stranded it never hurts to be
able to make a fire. Cost: $1.00
11. Crackers/Cookies/Slim Jims. Food itesm that even if they do
freeze are thin enough to still warm between your hands and chew on.
Cost: Local Market Price.
12. Gallon of gas. Cost: $1.60

Gunner

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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:53:44 -0500 (EST), BunnE...@webtv.net (Bunn
E Rabbit) wrote:

>
>Finally, this evening something occurred to me. I'm self-employed and
>use my car to service clients at night, some in a quite rural areas.
>Now suppose in my travels my car becomes disabled for whatever reason.
>Assuming the AAA may take more than an hour to arrive I could imagine
>myself as a box of one of those Pet-Ritz frozen rabbit in the meat
>section at the market.
>
>I do carry water and nut mix always but perhaps someone could suggest
>what to store in order to stay warm in such an event besides a typical
>coat, hat and gloves.
>
>--
>Keith

Like wow man...it was like 74F here yesterday, and last night it went
all the way down to 49F...like I fell asleep on the front porch with a
half dozen cats in my lap, woke up about 4am, pissed in the roses,
then went into the house. Like how bad can it be, Dude?

Gunner, Southern California

<G> others here will answer your question once the frozen states
moaning stops, but I carry a complete 4 season BugOutBag in my truck,
including a downfilled mummy bag, candles, a Coleman Lite single
burner stove, etc etc.. Last time I got hung up in my truck overnight
in the snow, I lit a couple candles, stuck them in the ashtray, where
they would burn safely, curled up in the mummy bag, had a couple high
carb food bars, turned the portable radio to a soft rock station and
drifted off to sleep. The snow plows woke me up the next morning. By
the time the CHP started checking occupants of the various stranded
cars, I had a nice hot cup of coffee to hand the nice officer as he
banged on my window. The look on his face was priceless when I asked
him if he wanted cream or sugar?

"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"

223rem

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Bunn E Rabbit wrote:
> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040110/D80036OG0.html

>
> Finally, this evening something occurred to me. I'm self-employed and
> use my car to service clients at night, some in a quite rural areas.
> Now suppose in my travels my car becomes disabled for whatever reason.
> Assuming the AAA may take more than an hour to arrive I could imagine
> myself as a box of one of those


No matter how warmly you dress, if you dont move energetically, you
are going to freeze. So you need to carry fuel for yourself -- chocolate
and water. That's the most important thing.

In very cold weather, batteries will no longer produce electricity, and
LCD displays will become very sluggish -- so your cell phone or GPS or
flashlight, etc will stop working.

pyotr filipivich

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A city wide blackout at Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:13:43 GMT did not prevent Gunner
<gun...@lightspeed.net> from posting to misc.survivalism the following:

>
><G> others here will answer your question once the frozen states
>moaning stops, but I carry a complete 4 season BugOutBag in my truck,
>including a downfilled mummy bag, candles, a Coleman Lite single
>burner stove, etc etc.. Last time I got hung up in my truck overnight
>in the snow, I lit a couple candles, stuck them in the ashtray, where
>they would burn safely, curled up in the mummy bag, had a couple high
>carb food bars, turned the portable radio to a soft rock station and
>drifted off to sleep. The snow plows woke me up the next morning. By
>the time the CHP started checking occupants of the various stranded
>cars, I had a nice hot cup of coffee to hand the nice officer as he
>banged on my window. The look on his face was priceless when I asked
>him if he wanted cream or sugar?

And there it is, a real life "Be Prepared" story and Gunner without his
camera...:-)

--
pyotr filipivich
"Do not argue with the forces of nature, for you are small,
insignificant, and biodegradable."

LauraK

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Jan 11, 2004, 4:22:36 PM1/11/04
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>Finally, this evening something occurred to me. I'm self-employed and
>use my car to service clients at night, some in a quite rural areas.
>Now suppose in my travels my car becomes disabled for whatever reason.
>Assuming the AAA may take more than an hour to arrive I could imagine
>myself as a box of one of those Pet-Ritz frozen rabbit in the meat
>section at the market.
>

At the least, one of those space blankets and a good supply of hand warmers and
those air-activated heat wraps that are sold for backaches and the like.
Also a gallon of water and a backpack stove with a couple of cans of fuel. And
lots and lots of kitchen matches.
For the truly prepared, a small portable generator and a small electric
blanket. They make small electric "throws" that are meant to be used while
sitting in a chair that would be very practical in a car or truck.
Make sure you've got a siphon tube to get gas for the generator.
I'd stop by REI or another outdoor equipment store and see what they've got for
winter camping and check the LLBean catalogue.


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AZGuy

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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:53:44 -0500 (EST), BunnE...@webtv.net (Bunn
E Rabbit) wrote:

A hooker.

'Captain' Kirk DeHaan

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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:13:43 GMT, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:53:44 -0500 (EST), BunnE...@webtv.net (Bunn
>E Rabbit) wrote:
>
>>
>>Finally, this evening something occurred to me. I'm self-employed and
>>use my car to service clients at night, some in a quite rural areas.
>>Now suppose in my travels my car becomes disabled for whatever reason.
>>Assuming the AAA may take more than an hour to arrive I could imagine
>>myself as a box of one of those Pet-Ritz frozen rabbit in the meat
>>section at the market.
>>
>>I do carry water and nut mix always but perhaps someone could suggest
>>what to store in order to stay warm in such an event besides a typical
>>coat, hat and gloves.
>>
>>--
>>Keith
>
>Like wow man...it was like 74F here yesterday, and last night it went
>all the way down to 49F...like I fell asleep on the front porch with a
>half dozen cats in my lap, woke up about 4am, pissed in the roses,
>then went into the house. Like how bad can it be, Dude?
>
>Gunner, Southern California

PPPPHHHHHTTTT. :-)

We had -13 as a high the other day. It was -30 in Sandpoint, Id just
14 miles from here. We are 150' above the valley floor and that gets
us the few extra degrees.

I just got through replumbing our greywater drain as it froze solid
and won't likely defrost til spring.

But I'm glad I've got that 7' wide snow blower now.

Best item to carry, but not the only one, is a pair of Walls
coveralls. Or a similar brand. Fully insulated. With a pair of
Sorrels I stay toasty in -20 weather.

Kirk

"Moe, Larry, the cheese!", Curly

www.sandpoint.net/captkirk
www.stormyacres.com

pyotr filipivich

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A city wide blackout at 11 Jan 2004 09:59:56 -0800 did not prevent
Jcr...@email.msn.com (Jon) from posting to misc.survivalism the following:

>
> 9. Fire Extinguisher. Yep some damn fool usually resorts to using
>fire, which is never a bad thing, but crap happens. Be prepared when
>it does! Cost: $10.00
> 10. Lighter. See above. If you are stranded it never hurts to be
>able to make a fire. Cost: $1.00

PrestoLog or Duraflame "log". As was reported recently "Floor mats really
stink when you burn them for warmth."

alt-hvac Moderated

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In my truck, I carry a sleeping bag, and also the mylar foil things. Also a
couple candles, and a torch and mapp gas (which I use in my work). And some
electrical wire, to bend to shape to make a candle holder if I need to wire
it to something and leave it burning while I shiver.

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Allan Rowe

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"-Cap'n TrVth--" <c...@centcom.com> wrote in message
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I agree completely, this is a basic 8 hour kit that will buy about 7 hours
more time than most City folk plan for.

Allan


Notroll2004

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Cap adds a few cans of Sterno that go in his tin helmet.


Clave

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With tubes down to his mouth.

Jim


Rex Tincher

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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:53:44 -0500 (EST), BunnE...@webtv.net (Bunn
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<snip>


>I do carry water and nut mix always but perhaps someone could suggest
>what to store in order to stay warm in such an event besides a typical
>coat, hat and gloves.

I line my car's trunk with a cheap polyester blanket. It reduces
cleanup when hauling messy items. And you can use the blanket for
warmth, once you shake out the potting soil, fertilizer, and sand.

I also carry waterproof 8" Timberland boots, wool/polypro boot socks,
sweatshirt, work gloves, knit hat, and rain suit. The rain suit
blocks wind in cold weather.

(Yes, I also carry all the usual tools, spare fluids, and etc.)

--
"And I can't describe how I felt when I picked up that rifle,
loaded it into my little car, and drove home. It seemed so
incredibly strange: Sarah Brady, of all people, packing heat."
- source: "A Good Fight", Sarah Brady, chapter 21, page 223
of first edition hardback, ISBN 1-58648-105-3

\The Commentator//

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And when you woke up you were still in southern California. That is as
bad as it can get.

C.R. Krieger

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Sounds like somebody's got some *experience* at living in a car!
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; drove that)


LauraK

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>> Make sure you've got a siphon tube to get gas for the generator.
>> I'd stop by REI or another outdoor equipment store and see what they've
>got for
>> winter camping and check the LLBean catalogue.
>
>Sounds like somebody's got some *experience* at living in a car!

Not living in a car but getting stuck in a car. I used to live in Washington,
D.C. and would drive to New York to visit relatives for Christmas every year,
usually accompanied by my four cats.
I always had problems either coming or going. It was like the trip was cursed.
I've driven through blizzards, in pouring rain in a car that stalled every time
it went over 54 mph, major traffic tie-ups, etc.
My list of things to bring along was created while I spent 6 hours sitting on
I-95 near Baltimore one December night after an ice storm had made the roads
undrivable. Proven by the fact two tractor trailers had jacknifed on the
flyovers (one in each direction) just ahead of me, crushing several cars in the
process. Traffic was completely bumper to bumper. Emergency crews couldn't get
through except on the shoulder which was littered with wrecked cars.
People would get out of their cars to see what was going on and immediately
fall and couldn't get up.
Sand trucks tried to get through, got to the ramps and slidl back onto the
jacknifed trucks.
So I sat there, in a Mazda 323, with four very, very unhappy cats. (Did I
mention that one was a very loud Siamese?)
And compiled a list of what I would bring along if I was ever foolish enough to
do this again.

Arif Khokar

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LauraK wrote:

> So I sat there, in a Mazda 323, with four very, very unhappy cats. (Did I
> mention that one was a very loud Siamese?)

Sounds like one of the 2 kittens I had along for that 13 hour drive I
made earlier this week (fortunately, no bad weather along the way) :)

Bunn E Rabbit

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First I would like to thank those that gave advice for keeping warm in
my automobile as another cold snap is coming towards the end of the week
with day's highs reaching about 10* F. Burrr..

><helpful advice snipped>

Just trying to warm things up. I would share some choice words
detailing my thoughts of SUV behemoths 'needed' for trips to Walmart and
oil revenues funnelled to Islamic kooks spreading genocidal love in
dozens of nations around the world but it would be a violation my ISP's
TOS.

--
Bunn E. Hugger


http://www.nature.com/nsu/040105/040105-16.html

Extreme heat on the rise
Climate model predicts more stifling summers.
12 January 2004

MICHAEL HOPKIN

Europe's heatwave caused many forest fires and human deaths.
© AP

The heatwave that paralysed Europe last summer was hailed as a harbinger
of global warming by many, including climatologists who predicted wilder
extremes in floods, droughts and storms thanks to climate change.
Results from a climate model now add evidence to the idea that extreme
temperature events are set to rise - for Europe at least1.

More than 20,000 people are thought to have died as a result of Europe's
heatwave last year.During June and July, temperatures across much of the
continent
topped 40 °C.

Christoph Schär of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Zurich,
and his colleagues calculate that, based on average temperatures since
1990, a European summer such as that of 2003 should come along only once
every 46,000 years - even after taking global warming into account.
"Statistically, this event should not have happened," Schär says.

The researchers therefore reasoned that greenhouse gases such as CO2
might boost weather variability as well as the overall temperature.
Using predicted greenhouse-gas levels for the end of this century, they
ran a regional computer climate simulation to estimate the spread of
future temperatures in Europe.

The simulation showed that extreme temperatures will indeed be more
common in the future. "I wouldn't bet on how much the variation will
increase," says Schär, "but I'm confident that it will."

Changes in variability are more difficult to predict than average
temperature trends, says Gabriele Hegerl, who studies climate change at
Duke University in Durham, North Carolina. But she believes that
Schär's idea may well be correct. "The summer of 2003 would be very
hard to explain without increased variability," she admits.

Freak event

Jens Christensen, a climate expert at the Danish Meteorological
Institute in Copenhagen, agrees that "we will see more summers like last
year".

But others say that killer heatwaves may simply be mere freaks. John
Christy, director of the Earth System Science Center at the University
of Alabama, Huntsville, says he doesn't see any evidence of increasing
temperature variability in his own American data. "I am not an alarmist
- I deal with real data and the data don't show this kind of effect," he
says. Schär says that the summer of 2003 is the only evidence of
increased variability he has seen so far.

Schär thinks that a similar fate could befall any area in which a
semi-arid climate borders a wetter region. During the European heatwave,
much of temperate central Europe took on a drier, 'Mediterranean'
pattern as plants and soil lost their moisture.

This worsened the heatwave, Schär explains.

With less water in the plants, less of the Sun's energy went towards
evaporation, and more towards heating the air. Effects such as this are
difficult to represent in climate predictions, however, he adds.

He nevertheless remains convinced that Europe has more wild weather in
store. "The summer of 2003 is proof that this kind of thing can happen
not too far from the current climate," he says.

References
Schär, C. et al. The role of increasing temperature variability in
European summer heatwaves. Nature, published online,
doi:10.1038/nature02300 (2004). |Article|

© Nature News Service / Macmillan Magazines Ltd 2004

Matthew Russotto

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In article <20040113220822...@mb-m16.aol.com>,

LauraK <lk...@aol.comnospam> wrote:
>>> Make sure you've got a siphon tube to get gas for the generator.
>>> I'd stop by REI or another outdoor equipment store and see what they've
>>got for
>>> winter camping and check the LLBean catalogue.
>>
>>Sounds like somebody's got some *experience* at living in a car!
>
>Not living in a car but getting stuck in a car. I used to live in Washington,
>D.C. and would drive to New York to visit relatives for Christmas every year,
>usually accompanied by my four cats.

That's one way to keep the emergency food supply fresh.
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrus...@speakeasy.net
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.

jack

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23252-40...@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net, "Bunn E Rabbit"
<BunnE...@webtv.net> wrote:

>
> First I would like to thank those that gave advice for keeping warm in
> my automobile as another cold snap is coming towards the end of the week
> with day's highs reaching about 10* F. Burrr..
>
>> <helpful advice snipped>
>
> Just trying to warm things up. I would share some choice words
> detailing my thoughts of SUV behemoths 'needed' for trips to Walmart and
> oil revenues funnelled to Islamic kooks spreading genocidal love in
> dozens of nations around the world but it would be a violation my ISP's
> TOS.

Who runs your ISP, John Ashcroft?


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killed a kid or 2 instead.²

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enemy though, which makes doing
almost anything they can "stick their
dirty little fingers in" more difficult.²
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--

LauraK

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>>Not living in a car but getting stuck in a car. I used to live in
>Washington,
>>D.C. and would drive to New York to visit relatives for Christmas every
>year,
>>usually accompanied by my four cats.
>
>That's one way to keep the emergency food supply fresh.

Actually, the food supply was very good. My sister, a vegetarian, had given me
two large shopping bags of leftover meat and hors doevre things she'd gotten
for the holidays from caterers and Silver Palate and such.
I may have been cold and annoyed, but I ate very well -- as did people in the
cars around me. (More pate anyone?)
I also had a portable CD player with an "ear bud" head set with me. An absolute
necessity when traveling with cats.

AlexT

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Bunn E Rabbit wrote:

> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040110/D80036OG0.html
>
> Of course the media tends to overplay these events as here in North
> Jersey as well as most of the northeast below zero temperatures usually
> occur at least twice a year. The difference here is the high hasn't
> reached beyond single digits.
>
> Anyway it's so cold that:
>

<snip>

Meanwhile, on the other side of the world...

Here in Australia, it's so hot that:


The best parking place is determined by shade instead of distance.

Hot water now comes out of both taps.

You learn that a seat belt buckle makes a pretty good branding iron.

The temperature drops below 35C (92F) and you feel a little chilly.

You discover that in February it only takes 2 fingers to steer your car.

You discover that you can get sunburned through your car window.

You develop a fear of metal car door handles.

You break a sweat the instant you step outside at 7:30 a.m.

You realize that asphalt has a liquid state. (this one actually has
some truth)

Charles Scripter

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Bunn E Rabbit <BunnE...@webtv.net> posted:

> http://www.nature.com/nsu/040105/040105-16.html
>
> Extreme heat on the rise
> Climate model predicts more stifling summers.
> 12 January 2004
>
> MICHAEL HOPKIN

[...]

> The heatwave that paralysed Europe last summer was hailed as a harbinger
> of global warming by many, including climatologists who predicted wilder
> extremes in floods, droughts and storms thanks to climate change.

During the medieval maximum (a VERY warm period during the age of the
Vikings), it was noted that the seas were calmer than they are today.
Such global warming tends to decrease the variability of weather.

It is estimated to have been warmer then, than it is now.

But the current climate is also warmer than it was during the little
ice age (which ended C.1850). It hardly qualifies as "anomalous".

> Results from a climate model now add evidence to the idea that extreme
> temperature events are set to rise - for Europe at least1.

These climate models still cannot even correctly predict the past
(i.e. they can't correctly model or even curve-fit what as already
happened). Why should we believe their wild projections and
extrapolations into the future?

> The researchers therefore reasoned that greenhouse gases such as CO2
> might boost weather variability as well as the overall temperature.

Note how cleverly they focussed in on CO2, a greenhouse gas which
consists of 0.03% of the atmosphere, while cleverly ignoring water
vapor, a greenhouse gas which consists of 1% of the atmosphere.

These global circulation models do not correctly model the water load
in the the atmosphere (water vapor being a greenhouse gas), nor do
they correctly model cloud cover (which appears to contribute an
"adaptive aperture" -- that is, the clouds provide negative feedback,
resisting positive temperature swings).

> Using predicted greenhouse-gas levels for the end of this century, they
> ran a regional computer climate simulation to estimate the spread of
> future temperatures in Europe.

Would these be the same models that, when projected with and without
Kyoto, show effectively no change in global mean temperature?

http://www.hillsdale.edu/imprimis/2002/march/default.htm

> The simulation showed that extreme temperatures will indeed be more
> common in the future. "I wouldn't bet on how much the variation will

These simulations would be more credible, if they could correctly
predict the past.

> Schär's idea may well be correct. "The summer of 2003 would be very
> hard to explain without increased variability," she admits.

The climate (and weather) are chaotically driven systems. While they
orbit their strange attractor, they are not easily modeled with any
precision.

> Jens Christensen, a climate expert at the Danish Meteorological
> Institute in Copenhagen, agrees that "we will see more summers like last
> year".

Until we get a summer that's much colder than average, and then we'll
make up the data as we go along, to make sure our desired premise
(i.e. "global warming") remains consistent.

Curiously, other planets are also showing "global warming". I sure
hope our CO2 emissions aren't heating them up...

(hint: this is a sign that the output of the sun is changing -- which
it does with some periodicity, that is not fully understood)

> of Alabama, Huntsville, says he doesn't see any evidence of increasing
> temperature variability in his own American data. "I am not an alarmist

Particularly true if you examine data that isn't distorted by the
"heat island effect" (which is seen in a considerable part of the
existing climate data).

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Matthew Russotto

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>Meanwhile, on the other side of the world...
>
>Here in Australia, it's so hot that:

[...]


>
>You realize that asphalt has a liquid state. (this one actually has
>some truth)

If all the rest were exaggerations, that's not very hot :-).

(all but the bit about feeling chilly at 92F are true for a hot summer
in my area of the US. )

C.R. Krieger

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"LauraK" <lk...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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> I also had a portable CD player with an "ear bud" head set with me. An
absolute
> necessity when traveling with cats.

Actually, that seems a bit expensive for a solution to "traveling with
cats". Personally, I think a short length of twine slung around the back
bumper with a cat tied at each end would suffice for only a few pennies.
And you only have to do it once.
--
C.R. Krieger
(A basset person)


Pegleg

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Jan 16, 2004, 12:09:43 PM1/16/04
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Charles Scripter <cesc...@quato.heisenberg.net> wrote in message news:<100etm6...@corp.supernews.com>...

> Bunn E Rabbit <BunnE...@webtv.net> posted:
>

Without repeating everything, very well written and cogent, Charles!

Pegleg

Brent P

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Jan 16, 2004, 1:57:14 PM1/16/04
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In article <100etm6...@corp.supernews.com>, Charles Scripter wrote:

> Curiously, other planets are also showing "global warming". I sure
> hope our CO2 emissions aren't heating them up...

> (hint: this is a sign that the output of the sun is changing -- which
> it does with some periodicity, that is not fully understood)

As much as I don't want to get in another global warming thread, this
is something I was holding for the next one. Mars is showing ice cap
melting as well as earth. This does add further support to the papers
that point to conditions on the sun (energy output for one) to explain
a warming.

Of course the alternative theory I've heard is that aliens are
terraforming mars because humans are destroying the earth. :)


Brandon Sommerville

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Jan 16, 2004, 2:12:51 PM1/16/04
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:57:14 GMT, tetraet...@yahoo.com (Brent P)
wrote:

Maybe the aliens are terraforming the Earth to get rid of that nasty
infestation on it?
--
Brandon Sommerville
remove ".gov" to e-mail

Definition of "Lottery":
Millions of stupid people contributing
to make one stupid person look smart.

Brent P

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Jan 16, 2004, 2:48:28 PM1/16/04
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In article <4b9f404d6c7e28b7...@news.teranews.com>, Brandon Sommerville wrote:

>>Of course the alternative theory I've heard is that aliens are
>>terraforming mars because humans are destroying the earth. :)

> Maybe the aliens are terraforming the Earth to get rid of that nasty
> infestation on it?

I like that one ;)


Mommy Bartlo

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Jan 16, 2004, 2:56:22 PM1/16/04
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don't make me unleash my son on your Brandon

our great great grandpappy Alan Bar-Tholamai invented the lottery. My son
JoJo wanted to perfect the system thanks to his high 3rd grade test scores
but pests in the lottery system conspired against him like our government
conspires on you

you're a useless pesi and you're pathetuk. Go to hell.


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Heidi the Horrible

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Jan 16, 2004, 3:16:01 PM1/16/04
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> Brandon Sommerville
> remove ".gov" to e-mail
>
> Definition of "Lottery":
> Millions of stupid people contributing
> to make one stupid person look smart.


Definition of "Lottery":

It's a tax on people who can't do math.

HtH


Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 16, 2004, 3:34:57 PM1/16/04
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The cowardly, anonymous pest posting as Mommy Bartlo wrote:

> don't make me unleash my son on your Brandon
>
> our great great grandpappy Alan Bar-Tholamai invented the lottery. My son
> JoJo wanted to perfect the system thanks to his high 3rd grade test scores
> but pests in the lottery system conspired against him like our government
> conspires on you
>
> you're a useless pesi and you're pathetuk. Go to hell.

Take YOUR lies to hell with you, pest - all of what you write above.

Brandon Sommerville

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Jan 16, 2004, 3:39:13 PM1/16/04
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:16:01 GMT, "Heidi the Horrible" <H...@Vicon.net>
wrote:

There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and
those who can't.
--

rickb30...@yahoo.com

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Jan 16, 2004, 3:48:56 PM1/16/04
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:16:01 GMT, "Heidi the Horrible"
<H...@Vicon.net> wrote:

Definition of "tax".

Pay whether you play or not, IOW, no choice.


Mommy Bartlo

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unless you're JoJo Bartlo of 50 Seneca Mount Pocono PA

he doesn't pay taxes

he lives with me (his Mommy)

he's in his 40's

he has no full time job

he doesn't have a drivers license

--
==================
JoJo Bartlo -- worse, shorter, slower --> www.enter.net/~jbartlo

Why don't you just ignore me ? It is easy enough for me to ignore you

Bartlo - 1/16/04

===================

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Pegleg

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AlexT <Al...@nospam.com.au> wrote in message news:<4007...@mail.netspeed.com.au>...

> Bunn E Rabbit wrote:
>
> > http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040110/D80036OG0.html
> >
> > Of course the media tends to overplay these events as here in North
> > Jersey as well as most of the northeast below zero temperatures usually
> > occur at least twice a year. The difference here is the high hasn't
> > reached beyond single digits.
> >
> > Anyway it's so cold that:
> >
> <snip>
>
> Meanwhile, on the other side of the world...
>
> Here in Australia, it's so hot that:
>
>
> The best parking place is determined by shade instead of distance.
>
> Hot water now comes out of both taps.
>
> You learn that a seat belt buckle makes a pretty good branding iron.
>
> The temperature drops below 35C (92F) and you feel a little chilly.
>
G'day, Mate!
35C is 95F. No wonder you're feeling hot (under the collar).

Pegleg

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 16, 2004, 4:19:13 PM1/16/04
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The cowardly, anonymous pest posting as Mommy Bartlo wrote:

> unless you're JoJo Bartlo of 50 Seneca Mount Pocono PA
>
> he doesn't pay taxes
>
> he lives with me (his Mommy)
>
> he's in his 40's
>
> he has no full time job
>
> he doesn't have a drivers license
>
> --
> ==================
> JoJo Bartlo -- worse, shorter, slower --> www.enter.net/~jbartlo

Where should I begin to refute your goddamned lies ?

I am at 50 Seneca, and no JoJo lives here, pest. And who is here is none
of you business.

The above is my site - not anyone's with the name of JoJo. I am superior
to you in all respects, liar. You know this, so the best you can do is
pick at bull---- anonymously. I don't have to resort to anything like that.

You use my name because you are too embarrassed of yours.

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 16, 2004, 4:29:55 PM1/16/04
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I don't read any of these groups except ne.weather, but be aware that there
will be at least one anonymous coward posting using my last name. These
pathetic pests are no relation to me, are afraid to use their name, and are
basically useless. They incorrectly think they are accomplishing anything
doing this, but all these pathetic liars are doing is using their time devising
lies instead of trying to do something to improve their pathetic selves.

Be aware all they say about me are lies, and the pathetic pieces of garbage
can do no better.

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 16, 2004, 4:31:29 PM1/16/04
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Did I mention the I offered a challenge to the cowardly, anonymous pest
posting as Mommy Bartlo, and that pathetic pest chickened out ? Yes -
of course.

Paul

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"Bunn E Rabbit" <BunnE...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:23252-40...@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net...


Extreme heat on the rise
Climate model predicts more stifling summers.
12 January 2004

MICHAEL HOPKIN

Europe's heatwave caused many forest fires and human deaths.
© AP

<article snipped>

This may be a stupid question, but why do all these eco-freaks have to spew
out this "global warming," crap in the dead of winter when it is freezing
out?

--
Paul

FORGET WORLD PEACE - Visualize Using Your Turn Signal Instead!


John Griffin

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Jan 16, 2004, 9:26:01 PM1/16/04
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"Paul" <die_LLB's@slower_traffic_get_to_the_right.com> wrote:

>
> "Bunn E Rabbit" <BunnE...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:23252-40...@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net...
>
>
> Extreme heat on the rise
> Climate model predicts more stifling summers.
> 12 January 2004
>
> MICHAEL HOPKIN
>
> Europe's heatwave caused many forest fires and human
> deaths. © AP
>
> <article snipped>
>
> This may be a stupid question, but why do all these
> eco-freaks have to spew out this "global warming," crap in
> the dead of winter when it is freezing out?

Programming.

Arif Khokar

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Jan 16, 2004, 10:13:24 PM1/16/04
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Brandon Sommerville wrote:

> There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and
> those who can't.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those that know binary and
those who don't.

Clave

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"Arif Khokar" <akhok...@wvu.edu> wrote in message
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There are two types of people in the world. Those who believe that people can
be divided into two types, and those who know better.

Jim


gpmahoney

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Jan 16, 2004, 11:21:30 PM1/16/04
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On 1/16/04 4:31 PM, in article 40085836...@enter.net, "Joseph Bartlo"
<jba...@enter.net> wrote:

To take your challenge a person would have to respect you.

--
ł...If only I would've drove drunk, and


killed a kid or 2 instead.˛

Joseph Bartlo Ś04 --
--
łSome influential people made me their


enemy though, which makes doing
almost anything they can "stick their
dirty little fingers in" more difficult.˛

Joseph Bartlo Ś03 --
--
"What's so wrong about saying "nigger"
anyway, you have to call a spade a spade."
Joseph Bartlo '03 --

--

gpmahoney

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Jan 16, 2004, 11:22:10 PM1/16/04
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On 1/16/04 4:29 PM, in article 400857D7...@enter.net, "Joseph Bartlo"
<jba...@enter.net> wrote:

ROTFLMAO!!!

--
³...If only I would've drove drunk, and


killed a kid or 2 instead.²

Joseph Bartlo Œ04 --
--
³Some influential people made me their


enemy though, which makes doing
almost anything they can "stick their
dirty little fingers in" more difficult.²

Joseph Bartlo Œ03 --

Kali

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Jan 16, 2004, 10:42:53 PM1/16/04
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It's not really a hot summer unless the barbed-wire melts off the paddock
fences...

:)

This one's not been too bad - although I've had to help out a young girl
change a tyre. Her cheap re-tread melted to the road, which was a new one
for me - jacking the car up and at the same time trying to pry the tyre
loose.

I *have* seen a day so hot that the asphalt was melting on the road so much
that it caused one or two accidents. Getting petrol at the service station
that day was kind of interesting - the fuel was expanding in the underground
tanks and pumps were bubbling and burping and the release valve was
obviously not coping well.

I love summer in Australia - singing Christmas carols about "dashing through
the snow" when the evening temp is in the mid 30'sC and watching all those
lovely US Christmas shows involving blizzards and ice.

Mmmmmmm....

Kali

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DrPostman

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Jan 17, 2004, 4:32:27 AM1/17/04
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:31:29 GMT, Joseph Bartlo <jba...@enter.net>
wrote:

>Did I mention the I offered a challenge to the cowardly, anonymous pest
>posting as Mommy Bartlo, and that pathetic pest chickened out ? Yes -
>of course.


Who the fuck are you, and why should anyone care?


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Bunn E Rabbit

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nos...@nospam.net (jack), Wrote:

>On 1/14/04 5:26 AM, in article
>23252-40...@storefull-3258.bay.webt
>net, "Bunn E Rabbit"
><BunnE...@webtv.net> wrote:

>>Just trying to warm things up. I would share
>>some choice words detailing my thoughts of
>>SUV behemoths 'needed' for trips to Walmart
>>and oil revenues funnelled to Islamic kooks
>>spreading genocidal love in dozens of nations
>>around the world but it would be a violation my
>>ISP's TOS.

>Who runs your ISP, John Ashcroft?

I was more or less teasing. One would have to make specific personal
threats in order to be tossed from the web calculator.

--
Keith


_____

"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor
_____

"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon
_____

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Bunn E Rabbit

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Jan 17, 2004, 7:08:07 AM1/17/04
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mo...@enter.net (Mommy Bartlo), Wrote:

>unless you're JoJo Bartlo of 50 Seneca Mount
>Pocono PA
>he doesn't pay taxes
>he lives with me (his Mommy)
>he's in his 40's
>he has no full time job
>he doesn't have a drivers license

Your Game Boy run out of batteries?

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 17, 2004, 9:53:57 AM1/17/04
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gpmahoney wrote:

> On 1/16/04 4:31 PM, in article 40085836...@enter.net, "Joseph Bartlo"
> <jba...@enter.net> wrote:
>
> > Did I mention the I offered a challenge to the cowardly, anonymous pest
> > posting as Mommy Bartlo, and that pathetic pest chickened out ? Yes -
> > of course.
> To take your challenge a person would have to respect you.

Don't give me that crap. You're talking about a COWARDLY, ANONYMOUS PEST
constantly posting lies and crap about me here. You think I should care if
that useless pest respects me ?

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 17, 2004, 9:54:37 AM1/17/04
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gpmahoney wrote:

> On 1/16/04 4:29 PM, in article 400857D7...@enter.net, "Joseph Bartlo"
> <jba...@enter.net> wrote:
>
> > I don't read any of these groups except ne.weather, but be aware that there
> > will be at least one anonymous coward posting using my last name. These
> > pathetic pests are no relation to me, are afraid to use their name, and are
> > basically useless. They incorrectly think they are accomplishing anything
> > doing this, but all these pathetic liars are doing is using their time
> > devising
> > lies instead of trying to do something to improve their pathetic selves.
> >
> > Be aware all they say about me are lies, and the pathetic pieces of garbage
> > can do no better.
> ROTFLMAO!!!

Laugh at the truth if you want.

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 17, 2004, 10:17:10 AM1/17/04
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Scott in Aztlán wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:29:55 GMT, Joseph Bartlo <jba...@enter.net> wrote:
>
> >I don't read any of these groups except ne.weather, but be aware that there
> >will be at least one anonymous coward posting using my last name. These
> >pathetic pests are no relation to me, are afraid to use their name, and are
> >basically useless.
>

> Why do you care? We certainly don't give a rat's ass...
>
> --
> A lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.

I care, because I don't want people believing lies pests tell about me.

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 17, 2004, 10:23:49 AM1/17/04
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DrPostman wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:31:29 GMT, Joseph Bartlo <jba...@enter.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Did I mention the I offered a challenge to the cowardly, anonymous pest
> >posting as Mommy Bartlo, and that pathetic pest chickened out ? Yes -
> >of course.
>
> Who the fuck are you, and why should anyone care?

I was thinking the same thing about you, and any of the crap you are
discussing.

But I don't want pests to lie about me - and your awful language is not
much better.

Alec Berg

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Jan 17, 2004, 12:42:25 PM1/17/04
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:25:05 GMT, Mongoose Bob <mam...@watering.hole>
wrote:

>Change your name, goombah, it sucks anyway. How about Joseph Barfly?

Wow, how original.

Berg is back.

"I doubt it." - Dean

Alec Berg

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Jan 17, 2004, 12:42:53 PM1/17/04
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:47:45 -0800, Scott in Aztlán
<sloth...@THEyahooOBVIOUS.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:29:55 GMT, Joseph Bartlo <jba...@enter.net> wrote:
>
>>I don't read any of these groups except ne.weather, but be aware that there
>>will be at least one anonymous coward posting using my last name. These
>>pathetic pests are no relation to me, are afraid to use their name, and are
>>basically useless.
>

>Why do you care? We certainly don't give a rat's ass...

Pipe down, punk.

Strider

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Jan 17, 2004, 12:52:02 PM1/17/04
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:17:10 GMT, Joseph Bartlo <jba...@enter.net>
wrote:

Why do you think that you are important enough that anybody but you
cares?

You are spamming newsgroups because some troll is using some semblence
of your name?

Give it up. You are being assinine.

Strider

DTJ

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Jan 17, 2004, 3:33:18 PM1/17/04
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:53:57 GMT, Joseph Bartlo <jba...@enter.net>
wrote:

>Don't give me that crap. You're talking about a COWARDLY, ANONYMOUS PEST


>constantly posting lies and crap about me here. You think I should care if
>that useless pest respects me ?

I doubt anyone here had any idea you were an idiot until you started
posting things to make us aware of it.

DTJ

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Jan 17, 2004, 3:36:53 PM1/17/04
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 03:13:24 GMT, Arif Khokar <akhok...@wvu.edu>
wrote:

Very cute. In spite of the fact that you claim I am a troll.

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 17, 2004, 3:55:54 PM1/17/04
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Mongoose Bob wrote:

> Change your name, goombah, it sucks anyway. How about Joseph Barfly?

Change yours, prick.

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 17, 2004, 4:00:52 PM1/17/04
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Strider wrote:

> Why do you think that you are important enough that anybody but you
> cares?

Why do you think I care if anyone cares. I'm not gonna let pests get away
with lying about me - so that's why I posted that - so people are aware
they are all lies. Whether or not they care makes no difference to me.
How important a person perceives me or anyone else to be makes no difference
to me - won't change one thing I do. Understand yet ?

> You are spamming newsgroups because some troll is using some semblence
> of your name?
>
> Give it up. You are being assinine.

No. The pests using my name and posting lies about me are being asinine.
It is not one fault of mine because some nut decides to do that, and your
opinion does not matter.

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 17, 2004, 4:07:10 PM1/17/04
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DTJ wrote:

No, I am not an idiot. Many ways I can prove I am very intelligent. You
probably are an idiot though.

gpmahoney

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Jan 17, 2004, 6:06:18 PM1/17/04
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On 1/17/04 4:07 PM, in article 4009A405...@enter.net, "Joseph Bartlo"
<jba...@enter.net> wrote:

Give it up Bartlo you're making yourself look like an even bigger fool then
you are!

gpmahoney

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Jan 17, 2004, 6:12:28 PM1/17/04
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On 1/17/04 4:00 PM, in article 4009A28A...@enter.net, "Joseph Bartlo"
<jba...@enter.net> wrote:

> Strider wrote:
>
>> Why do you think that you are important enough that anybody but you
>> cares?
>
> Why do you think I care if anyone cares. I'm not gonna let pests get away
> with lying about me - so that's why I posted that - so people are aware
> they are all lies. Whether or not they care makes no difference to me.
> How important a person perceives me or anyone else to be makes no difference
> to me - won't change one thing I do. Understand yet ?

No I don't understand. If you don't care what people think about you, why do
you refute the so called lies. You must be worried people are going to
believe them. So you do care what other people think about you.

>
>> You are spamming newsgroups because some troll is using some semblence
>> of your name?
>>
>> Give it up. You are being assinine.
>
> No. The pests using my name and posting lies about me are being asinine.

What lies have been posted about you?

> It is not one fault of mine because some nut decides to do that, and your
> opinion does not matter.

It's your fault because you continue the bickering. Let it die a natural
death and it will go away. Why do you continue to bicker.


--
³...If only I would've drove drunk, and


killed a kid or 2 instead.²

Joseph Bartlo Œ04 --
--
³Some influential people made me their


enemy though, which makes doing
almost anything they can "stick their
dirty little fingers in" more difficult.²

Joseph Bartlo Œ03 --

gpmahoney

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Jan 17, 2004, 6:13:22 PM1/17/04
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On 1/17/04 3:55 PM, in article 4009A161...@enter.net, "Joseph Bartlo"
<jba...@enter.net> wrote:

Watch your fucking language you sorry little dickweed.

Clave

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Jan 17, 2004, 6:23:49 PM1/17/04
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"Joseph Bartlo" <jba...@enter.net> wrote in message
news:4009A161...@enter.net...

> Mongoose Bob wrote:
>
> > Change your name, goombah, it sucks anyway. How about Joseph Barfly?
>
> Change yours, prick.

Why should he change? You're the one who sucks.

Jim


Alec Berg

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Jan 17, 2004, 9:11:44 PM1/17/04
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Get lost, Clave.

Alec Berg

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Jan 17, 2004, 9:12:30 PM1/17/04
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:04:50 -0800, Scott in Aztlán
<sloth...@THEyahooOBVIOUS.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:42:53 GMT, Alec Berg <Alec...@yahoo.nospamatall.com>


>wrote:
>
>>>>I don't read any of these groups except ne.weather, but be aware that there
>>>>will be at least one anonymous coward posting using my last name. These
>>>>pathetic pests are no relation to me, are afraid to use their name, and are
>>>>basically useless.
>>>
>>>Why do you care? We certainly don't give a rat's ass...
>>
>>Pipe down, punk.
>

>Make me, troll.

Sorry, I am not a troll. Nice try!

Alec Berg

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Jan 17, 2004, 9:13:53 PM1/17/04
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What would you know about it?

Alec Berg

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Jan 17, 2004, 9:15:02 PM1/17/04
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:06:18 GMT, gpmahoney <nos...@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 1/17/04 4:07 PM, in article 4009A405...@enter.net, "Joseph Bartlo"
><jba...@enter.net> wrote:
>
>> DTJ wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:53:57 GMT, Joseph Bartlo <jba...@enter.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't give me that crap. You're talking about a COWARDLY, ANONYMOUS PEST
>>>> constantly posting lies and crap about me here. You think I should care if
>>>> that useless pest respects me ?
>>>
>>> I doubt anyone here had any idea you were an idiot until you started
>>> posting things to make us aware of it.
>>
>> No, I am not an idiot. Many ways I can prove I am very intelligent. You
>> probably are an idiot though.
>Give it up Bartlo you're making yourself look like an even bigger fool then
>you are!

We know how you feel, Jack. Why don't you just give it up?

Clave

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Jan 17, 2004, 9:23:42 PM1/17/04
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Original Message -----
From: "Alec Berg" <Alec...@yahoo.nospamatall.com>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.art-bell,misc.survivalism,rec.autos.driving,ne.weather
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: Cowardly, anonymous pests posting using the name Bartlo


> On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:23:49 -0800, "Clave"
> <ClaviusFair...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
> >"Joseph Bartlo" <jba...@enter.net> wrote in message
> >news:4009A161...@enter.net...
> >> Mongoose Bob wrote:
> >>
> >> > Change your name, goombah, it sucks anyway. How about Joseph Barfly?
> >>
> >> Change yours, prick.
> >
> >Why should he change? You're the one who sucks.
> >
>

> Get lost, Clave.


Oh, ouch. Such razor-like wit is rare among top-posting twats.

Jim


Alec Berg

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Jan 17, 2004, 9:28:18 PM1/17/04
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It was a short statement, meant to make a point. Obviously one you
couldn't grasp. No wit was intended, though I am sure you couldn't
tell anyhow. Stop posting your nonsense about Joseph Bartlo.

Clave

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Jan 17, 2004, 9:43:22 PM1/17/04
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"Alec Berg" <Alec...@yahoo.nospamatall.com> wrote in message
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You sure are one big tough he-man of a scary guy, Joey. I sure wouldn't want to
do anything to piss the likes of *you* off.

Jim


gpmahoney

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Jan 17, 2004, 10:18:33 PM1/17/04
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On 1/17/04 9:28 PM, in article lnrj00189ceq5v6cb...@4ax.com,
"Alec Berg" <Alec...@yahoo.nospamatall.com> wrote:

Bartlo is a halfwit perhaps that's why you like him so much.


> Berg is back.
>
> "I doubt it." - Dean


--
ł...If only I would've drove drunk, and


killed a kid or 2 instead.˛

Joseph Bartlo Ś04 --
--
łSome influential people made me their


enemy though, which makes doing
almost anything they can "stick their
dirty little fingers in" more difficult.˛

Joseph Bartlo Ś03 --

Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)

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Jan 17, 2004, 11:27:10 PM1/17/04
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 02:12:30 GMT, Alec Berg
<Alec...@yahoo.nospamatall.com> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell:

Trolls always deny being trolls. "Nice try", yourself, troll.
--
V.G.

"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it is easier to harrass
rich women than it is motorcycle gangs." - Bumper Sticker
(This sig file contains not less than 80% recycled SPAM)

Sarcasm is my sword, Apathy is my shield.

Alec Berg

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Jan 18, 2004, 7:30:19 AM1/18/04
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 03:18:33 GMT, gpmahoney <nos...@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 1/17/04 9:28 PM, in article lnrj00189ceq5v6cb...@4ax.com,
>"Alec Berg" <Alec...@yahoo.nospamatall.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:23:42 -0800, "Clave"
>> <ClaviusFair...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Original Message -----
>>> From: "Alec Berg" <Alec...@yahoo.nospamatall.com>
>>> Newsgroups: alt.fan.art-bell,misc.survivalism,rec.autos.driving,ne.weather
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 6:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Cowardly, anonymous pests posting using the name Bartlo
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:23:49 -0800, "Clave"
>>>> <ClaviusFair...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Joseph Bartlo" <jba...@enter.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4009A161...@enter.net...
>>>>>> Mongoose Bob wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Change your name, goombah, it sucks anyway. How about Joseph Barfly?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Change yours, prick.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why should he change? You're the one who sucks.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Get lost, Clave.
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, ouch. Such razor-like wit is rare among top-posting twats.
>>
>> It was a short statement, meant to make a point. Obviously one you
>> couldn't grasp. No wit was intended, though I am sure you couldn't
>> tell anyhow. Stop posting your nonsense about Joseph Bartlo.
>Bartlo is a halfwit perhaps that's why you like him so much.

You like him so much that you have been his shadow for 4+ years!!!

Alec Berg

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Jan 18, 2004, 7:33:14 AM1/18/04
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:27:10 -0900, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
<vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 02:12:30 GMT, Alec Berg
><Alec...@yahoo.nospamatall.com> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell:
>
>>On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:04:50 -0800, Scott in Aztlán
>><sloth...@THEyahooOBVIOUS.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:42:53 GMT, Alec Berg <Alec...@yahoo.nospamatall.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>I don't read any of these groups except ne.weather, but be aware that there
>>>>>>will be at least one anonymous coward posting using my last name. These
>>>>>>pathetic pests are no relation to me, are afraid to use their name, and are
>>>>>>basically useless.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why do you care? We certainly don't give a rat's ass...
>>>>
>>>>Pipe down, punk.
>>>
>>>Make me, troll.
>>
>>Sorry, I am not a troll. Nice try!
>
>Trolls always deny being trolls. "Nice try", yourself, troll.

Thanks for the valuable insight, Vanilla. Word to ya mutha.

gpmahoney

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Jan 18, 2004, 10:04:49 AM1/18/04
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On 1/18/04 7:30 AM, in article 12vk00h3op6m20khp...@4ax.com,
"Alec Berg" <Alec...@yahoo.nospamatall.com> wrote:

He must like it he keeps coming back for more.
Hey Berg, what is it you like about Joseph? Be honest now.


>
>
>
> Berg is back.
>
> "I doubt it." - Dean

Alec Berg

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Jan 18, 2004, 11:07:12 AM1/18/04
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His tremendous forecasting abilities. I also find it unfortunate that
clowns try to drive him out of the group, simply because they are
jealous.

gpmahoney

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Jan 18, 2004, 11:50:30 AM1/18/04
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On 1/18/04 11:07 AM, in article snbl00l1q5b3rd1mu...@4ax.com,
"Alec Berg" <Alec...@yahoo.nospamatall.com> wrote:

Of what? Here he is a 41 year old recluse living with his mommy, no drivers
license, no job, no money. All he has is three cats and a gerbil named
George. Jealous, RIGHT! LMAO


>
> Berg is back.
>
> "I doubt it." - Dean

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 18, 2004, 8:25:53 PM1/18/04
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Ed Norton wrote:

> He already did that, you troll. Sheesh, what a grouch!

I am not a troll because pests post crap about me.

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 18, 2004, 8:27:30 PM1/18/04
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gpmahoney wrote:

> Give it up Bartlo you're making yourself look like an even bigger fool then
> you are!

The fool is the person constantly posting off-topic crap to start bickering
here - you.

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 18, 2004, 8:30:41 PM1/18/04
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Scott in Aztlán wrote:

> The current standings:
>
> Posts by you stirring shit up: 9

0. Leave Atzlan, go to school and maybe you'll learn to count.

> Posts by others who were suckered in by your troll: 11 (including this post)

False - I start none of it.

> Your TPR (Troll Performance Ratio): 9:11, or 0.81 - that's piss poor performance
> on your part. Go back to Trolling School and don't come back until you've earned
> your diploma.

You are the one who cannot count. I learned to do that at age 3.

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 18, 2004, 8:32:58 PM1/18/04
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gpmahoney wrote:

> No I don't understand. If you don't care what people think about you, why do
> you refute the so called lies. You must be worried people are going to
> believe them. So you do care what other people think about you.

I did not say that though, liar. Again, claiming I said something I didn't.

> What lies have been posted about you?

Too many to list.

> It's your fault because you continue the bickering. Let it die a natural
> death and it will go away. Why do you continue to bicker.

YOU continue it. YOU start it. You can let it end here, but YOU won't.
If you post lies about me, I'll refute them, and it is not me causing the
problem.

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 18, 2004, 8:33:41 PM1/18/04
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gpmahoney wrote:

> Watch your fucking language you sorry little dickweed.

False, goddamned pest - and not funny either.

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 18, 2004, 8:40:20 PM1/18/04
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Clave wrote:

> Why should he change? You're the one who sucks.

No pest - you do.

Clave

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Jan 18, 2004, 8:45:38 PM1/18/04
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"Joseph Bartlo" <jba...@enter.net> wrote in message
news:400B3585...@enter.net...

> Clave wrote:
>
> > Why should he change? You're the one who sucks.
>
> No pest - you do.

More of that scathing wit. You must spend a lot of time hanging out around
playgrounds.

Jim


Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 18, 2004, 8:47:07 PM1/18/04
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Jimmy Snibbler wrote:

> Giving orders again, hoss? Why don't you and Joseph just get a room,
> Jasper, and leave us normal folks alone.

There is nothing wrong with me because pests decide to pst lies and crap
about me - there is something wrong with them for doing that. There is
something wrong with you for assuming anything about me without having the
slightest clue.

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 18, 2004, 8:50:13 PM1/18/04
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gpmahoney wrote:

> Bartlo is a halfwit perhaps that's why you like him so much.

No - you are a liar and a nut for displaying your obsession here, Mahoney.

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 18, 2004, 8:55:45 PM1/18/04
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gpmahoney wrote:

> He must like it he keeps coming back for more.

No - you simply continue posting lies about me. I refute them.

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 18, 2004, 8:57:42 PM1/18/04
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gpmahoney wrote:

> Of what? Here he is a 41 year old recluse living with his mommy, no drivers
> license, no job, no money. All he has is three cats and a gerbil named
> George. Jealous, RIGHT! LMAO

All lies from a goddamned pest. Yes, you are very jealous.

DrPostman

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Jan 18, 2004, 9:39:00 PM1/18/04
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:55:45 GMT, Joseph Bartlo <jba...@enter.net>
wrote:

>gpmahoney wrote:


>
>> He must like it he keeps coming back for more.
>
>No - you simply continue posting lies about me. I refute them.


No, instead you appear to be doing the Kook Dance.

--
Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® member #15-51506-253.
You can email me at: TuriFake(at)hotmail.com

"Shake it like a polaroid picture."
- Andre 3000 of Outkast

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 18, 2004, 9:49:35 PM1/18/04
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DrPostman wrote:

> No, instead you appear to be doing the Kook Dance.

No goddamned pest - I am not a kook because you are a goddamned liar.

Joseph Bartlo

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Jan 18, 2004, 9:52:39 PM1/18/04
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> Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"

No - just another idiot who's dissatisfied with being given MUCH more than
you ever deserved.

\The Commentator//

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Jan 18, 2004, 10:58:22 PM1/18/04
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Joseph Bartlo wrote:
>
>

*PLONK*

Clave

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Jan 18, 2004, 11:03:32 PM1/18/04
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"\The Commentator//" <Gu...@whatthekazoo.com> wrote in message
news:400B55DE...@whatthekazoo.com...
> Joseph Bartlo wrote:
> >
> >
>
> *PLONK*

Really. What an attention whore.

Jim


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