Stranger slaps crying brat at Walmart - Charged w felony
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
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Stranger Slapped Crying Child, Police Say
AP
posted: 2 HOURS 44 MINUTES AGO
STONE MOUNTAIN, Ga. (Sept. 2) - Police say a 61-year-old man annoyed with a
crying 2-year-old girl at a suburban Atlanta Walmart slapped the child
several times after warning the toddler's mother to keep her quiet.
A police report says after the stranger hit the girl at least four times,
he said: "See, I told you I would shut her up."
Roger Stephens of Stone Mountain is charged with felony cruelty to
children.
Authorities say the girl and her mother were shopping Monday when the
toddler began crying. The police report says Stephens approached the mother
and said, "If you don't shut that baby up, I will shut her up for you."
Authorities say Stephens then grabbed the 2-year-old and slapped her. The
child began screaming and Stephens was arrested. Police say an examination
showed the girl's face was slightly red.
(snip)
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But if he was a speeder or DUI or red-light-runner and ran over the kid,
nothing would be done to him!!
Orval Fairbairn
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://news.aol.com/article/stranger-slapped-screaming-child-in/653392?
> icid=main
>
> Stranger Slapped Crying Child, Police Say
> AP
>
> posted: 2 HOURS 44 MINUTES AGO
> STONE MOUNTAIN, Ga. (Sept. 2) - Police say a 61-year-old man annoyed with a
> crying 2-year-old girl at a suburban Atlanta Walmart slapped the child
> several times after warning the toddler's mother to keep her quiet.
>
> A police report says after the stranger hit the girl at least four times,
> he said: "See, I told you I would shut her up."
>
> Roger Stephens of Stone Mountain is charged with felony cruelty to
> children.
>
> Authorities say the girl and her mother were shopping Monday when the
> toddler began crying. The police report says Stephens approached the mother
> and said, "If you don't shut that baby up, I will shut her up for you."
> Authorities say Stephens then grabbed the 2-year-old and slapped her. The
> child began screaming and Stephens was arrested. Police say an examination
> showed the girl's face was slightly red.
>
I have a far better approach to the problem of squalling infants, which
I picked up from my wife, who feels similarlt:
One time I was in line at a big hardware store when an infant started
acting up. Borrowing her line, I proclaimed, "Shut up, kid, or I'll
stuff a dirty diaper in your mouth!"
The kid shut up! When I got to the checker, she was chuckling and said
that another kid in an adjacent line was starting to act up, too, but
shut up, too!
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"Orval Fairbairn" <o_r_fairbairn@earth_link.net> wrote in message
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Proving yet again what a total fuckwit you are.
Dank 110100100
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>
> Stranger Slapped Crying Child, Police Say
> AP
>
> posted: 2 HOURS 44 MINUTES AGO
> STONE MOUNTAIN, Ga. (Sept. 2) - Police say a 61-year-old man annoyed with a
> crying 2-year-old girl at a suburban Atlanta Walmart slapped the child
> several times after warning the toddler's mother to keep her quiet.
>
> A police report says after the stranger hit the girl at least four times,
> he said: "See, I told you I would shut her up."
"Father heard the children scream, so he threw them in the stream.
Saying as he drowned the third, 'Children should be seen, not heard!'"
Orval Fairbairn
<.... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!! .>
wrote:
Oh? It worked! What would YOU have done?
SilentOtto
wrote:
> In article <33k5ko.r7r.1...@news.alt.net>,
> <.... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!! .>
>
>
>
> wrote:
> > "Orval Fairbairn" <o_r_fairbairn@earth_link.net> wrote in message
> >news:o_r_fairbairn-FF2...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net...
A child crying in a store?
I'd have ignored it.
You know... Like an adult does.
Only childish assholes can't deal with a baby crying.
It's no wonder you rightards are so fucked up if your mothers stuffed
dirty diapers in your mouths every time you cried.
It probably caused brain damage.
Heh heh...
Rightards...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single one of you.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
>
> I have a far better approach to the problem of squalling infants,
> which I picked up from my wife, who feels similarlt:
>
> One time I was in line at a big hardware store when an infant started
> acting up. Borrowing her line, I proclaimed, "Shut up, kid, or I'll
> stuff a dirty diaper in your mouth!"
>
> The kid shut up! When I got to the checker, she was chuckling and said
> that another kid in an adjacent line was starting to act up, too, but
> shut up, too!
>
My policy is to beat the crap out of the parent. I've done dozens of
times.
John David Galt
> One time I was in line at a big hardware store when an infant started
> acting up. Borrowing her line, I proclaimed, "Shut up, kid, or I'll
> stuff a dirty diaper in your mouth!"
>
> The kid shut up! When I got to the checker, she was chuckling and said
> that another kid in an adjacent line was starting to act up, too, but
> shut up, too!
My usual response is "Kid, are you being tortured or just asking for it?"
If I were on that jury I would find Stephens innocent. Parents signed up
to put up with their pain-in-the-ass kids, but the rest of us have not.
If the parent doesn't want other people doing something about the public
nuisance they create, then it behooves the parent to beat them to it, and
that's the way the law ought to read.
Rastus
>
> "Orval Fairbairn" <o_r_fairbairn@earth_link.net> wrote in message
> news:o_r_fairbairn-FF2...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net
> ...
>> In article <Xns9C7AD0602733Ar...@216.168.3.70>,
>> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://news.aol.com/article/stranger-slapped-screaming-child-in/65339
>>> 2? icid=main
Nigger brats can definitely use some discipline. Just LOOK how they end
up now without it!
Orval Fairbairn
<70cf352c-e18c-47d9...@c37g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
SilentOtto <silen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It sounds as if your mother actually DID stuff a dirty diaper in your
mouth! It still shows in your thought processes and postings.
The kid was obviously throwing a tantrum and didn't get away with it.
Orval Fairbairn
Rastus <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
Black kids are among the best-behaved, along with Oriental kids. It is
overindulged white kids that are the biggest pains.
SilentOtto
wrote:
> In article
> <70cf352c-e18c-47d9-8d71-f4cc69a2c...@c37g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
No...
My mother isn't a rightard, like you are.
> The kid was obviously throwing a tantrum and didn't get away with it.
The article said the child was TWO years old, for Christ's sake.
What the hell is wrong with you rightards that you think it's EVER
appropriate to hit a TWO YEAR OLD CHILD?
If rightards are so fucked up that they can't even deal with a two
year old child throwing a tantrum without resorting to violence, you
deserve no role in running the country.
....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
Nothing. A kid crying is part of life, you idiot. By the same logic are you
gonna blow up a bus because its breaks squealed too loud.
Again, back to the point........you're a grade A moron.
btw, if someone said to my kid what you *claim you said* (see I'm never
going to believe a coward like you would have the nuts to say anything like
that, even to an infant), then there'd be blood and teeth everywhere. And
all of it yours.
....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
"SilentOtto" <silen...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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----
A-fucking-men.
Great spot, Otto. These rightards ARE bat shit crazy, lashing out at
everything they hear not matter how reasonable.
;p)
Deadrat
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> <.... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!! .>
> wrote in news:33k5ko....@news.alt.net:
>
>>
>> "Orval Fairbairn" <o_r_fairbairn@earth_link.net> wrote in message
>> news:o_r_fairbairn-FF2...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.ne
>> t ...
>>> In article <Xns9C7AD0602733Ar...@216.168.3.70>,
>>> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://news.aol.com/article/stranger-slapped-screaming-child-in/6533
>>>> 9 2? icid=main
Well, one such "brat" ended up as President of the United States.
You, on the other hand, turned out to be someone who uses racial epithets
in public.
One of you needed more discipline as a child.
....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
"John David Galt" <j...@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote in message
news:h7oust$mfl$1...@blue.rahul.net...
> Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>> One time I was in line at a big hardware store when an infant started
>> acting up. Borrowing her line, I proclaimed, "Shut up, kid, or I'll
>> stuff a dirty diaper in your mouth!"
>>
>> The kid shut up! When I got to the checker, she was chuckling and said
>> that another kid in an adjacent line was starting to act up, too, but
>> shut up, too!
>
> My usual response is "Kid, are you being tortured or just asking for it?"
>
> If I were on that jury I would find Stephens innocent.
Sure.
Of course one must keep in mind exactly how much of a total fuckwit you are.
Nate Nagel
If your kid is raising a ruckus in a public place, and someone says
something nasty to you about it, YOU DESERVE IT. KEEP YOUR GODDAMNED
BRATS UNDER CONTROL.
Of course I realize that your "threat" is empty and hollow, because
undoubtedly you're a huge vagina in real life, but even so - just try
it, tough guy. Oh, and KEEP YOUR GODDAMNED BRATS UNDER CONTROL. Once
upon a time, it used to be considered rude to let a kid yell in public
for more than about, oh, three seconds before yanking him/her out of
wherever you were and out to the car or whatever (usually for
disciplinary measures for being an embarassing little shit.) I miss
those days.
nate
(who had to eat fast food for lunch the other day, and had to deal with
not one, but two squalling kids - and not infants, either, they were
like 2 or 3 years old - simultaneously. I don't blame the kids, but the
parents should be shot. These kids literally screamed at the top of
their lungs for minutes on end and everyone acted like it was perfectly
normal. Now I remember why I do my shopping at odd hours.)
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Orval Fairbairn
<1f9f3812-51a3-476f...@z24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
SilentOtto <silen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I guess that explains why you are so retarded and obnoxious! She must
have coddled you every time you screamed, rather than stuffing the
(well-deserved) dirty diaper in your mouth.
>
> > The kid was obviously throwing a tantrum and didn't get away with it.
>
> The article said the child was TWO years old, for Christ's sake.
That is the age where they are learning just how much they can get away
with and how to manipulate their parents.
>
> What the hell is wrong with you rightards that you think it's EVER
> appropriate to hit a TWO YEAR OLD CHILD?
>
I never said it was appropriate for the stranger to hit the child.
> If rightards are so fucked up that they can't even deal with a two
> year old child throwing a tantrum without resorting to violence, you
> deserve no role in running the country.
>
> Heh heh...
>
> Rightards...
>
> Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single one of you.
Written by a sterling example of the above conditions!
Orval Fairbairn
If the bus' breaks squealed , it is already inop; if its *brakes* were
squealing, it might just signify that they are working.
>
> Again, back to the point........you're a grade A moron.
A moron is somebody who can't distinguish "brakes" from "breaks."
> btw, if someone said to my kid what you *claim you said* (see I'm never
> going to believe a coward like you would have the nuts to say anything like
> that, even to an infant), then there'd be blood and teeth everywhere. And
> all of it yours.
Maybe somebody should have said it to YOU -- perhaps you would have
grown up to be a decent human being.
And... speaking of cowards: You are such a coward that you don't even
sign your name to your posts.
Harold Burton
<70cf352c-e18c-47d9...@c37g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
SilentOtto <silen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Unlike responding to people whining on usenet.
Snicker.
Harold Burton
<1f9f3812-51a3-476f...@z24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
SilentOtto <silen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> My mother isn't a rightard...
....just a slut.
Snicker.
....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
"Nate Nagel" <njn...@roosters.net> wrote in message
news:h7pok...@news7.newsguy.com...
Shutup, spastic.
....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
Oh look, a typo flame.
ROFLOL!
>> btw, if someone said to my kid what you *claim you said* (see I'm never
>> going to believe a coward like you would have the nuts to say anything
>> like
>> that, even to an infant), then there'd be blood and teeth everywhere. And
>> all of it yours.
>
> Maybe somebody should have said it to YOU
Nah, cowards like you wouldnt have the nuts to say anything of the sort to
me.
Cowardly cunts like you keep your tough guy actions for two year olds.
smutt butt
> .... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!! . wrote:
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> > "Orval Fairbairn" <o_r_fairbairn@earth_link.net> wrote in message
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> >> <.... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!! .>
> >> wrote:
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> >>> "Orval Fairbairn" <o_r_fairbairn@earth_link.net> wrote in message
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Agreed. My 2 kids were raised as I was, act like a brat and pay the
consequenses. Since they were toddlers, 99% of the time I could take
them anywhere and they were quiet and respected other people when in
public. When they got home then they could scream and run around.
That said, if someone touched my kid I would do what any MAN would do,
put him in the hospital or mourge. If he happened to be a big bad ass
then I'm sure I could find something to end his suffering with.
Dave
"John David Galt" <j...@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote in message
news:h7oust$mfl$1...@blue.rahul.net...
Look, I think the best approach to most crying/acting up children in public
problems is to remove the offending children from public places. As a
father to a 2-year-old, I back up that sentiment with actions. Our whole
family has walked out of a restaurant, after ordering food, and after paying
for it, and before eating it, because our son was having a "bad night".
But any parent of a 2-year-old will tell you that SOMETIMES they just act up
for no apparent reason and there is nothing you can do about it. Any ADULT
faced with someone else's child acting up in a Walmart would just walk away.
That is the ADULT way to handle the situation.
And if you assault and batter a 2-year-old for ANY reason, you'd better be
prepared to go to prison labelled as a child-beater. Have fun. -Dave
Dave
> something nasty to you about it, YOU DESERVE IT. KEEP YOUR GODDAMNED
> BRATS UNDER CONTROL.
Oh Nate, keeper of the wisdom of the ages. Please do tell us poor
uninformed parents how to keep a 2-year-old under control and behaving like
a little lady or gentleman 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Preferably
without landing in prison or having DSS break down our doors...
>
> Of course I realize that your "threat" is empty and hollow, because
> undoubtedly you're a huge vagina in real life, but even so - just try it,
> tough guy. Oh, and KEEP YOUR GODDAMNED BRATS UNDER CONTROL. Once upon a
> time, it used to be considered rude to let a kid yell in public for more
> than about, oh, three seconds before yanking him/her out of
It still is considered rude.
> wherever you were and out to the car or whatever (usually for disciplinary
> measures for being an embarassing little shit.) I miss those days.
>
> nate
Well I guess I'm an old-fashioned type as I do believe in yanking my
2-year-old out of public spaces when he acts up. He doesn't need much
discipline beyond that though. It's magic how dragging him back to the car
seems to really piss him off momentarily, and then calm him down when he
realizes what he wanted just aint happening no matter what. -Dave
The Real Bev
> "John David Galt" <j...@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote:
>> Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>>> One time I was in line at a big hardware store when an infant started
>>> acting up. Borrowing her line, I proclaimed, "Shut up, kid, or I'll
>>> stuff a dirty diaper in your mouth!"
More appropriate to threaten the mom with the dirty diaper. BTW, do you
usually carry one with you in case of need?
>>> The kid shut up! When I got to the checker, she was chuckling and said
>>> that another kid in an adjacent line was starting to act up, too, but
>>> shut up, too!
>>
>> My usual response is "Kid, are you being tortured or just asking for it?"
I don't think that would have much meaning to a 2-year-old. They probably
understand your anger, though. Like dogs.
>> If I were on that jury I would find Stephens innocent. Parents signed up
>> to put up with their pain-in-the-ass kids, but the rest of us have not.
>> If the parent doesn't want other people doing something about the public
>> nuisance they create, then it behooves the parent to beat them to it, and
>> that's the way the law ought to read.
>
> Look, I think the best approach to most crying/acting up children in public
> problems is to remove the offending children from public places. As a
> father to a 2-year-old, I back up that sentiment with actions. Our whole
> family has walked out of a restaurant, after ordering food, and after paying
> for it, and before eating it, because our son was having a "bad night".
Did you at least ask them to wrap it up to go?
> But any parent of a 2-year-old will tell you that SOMETIMES they just act up
> for no apparent reason and there is nothing you can do about it. Any ADULT
> faced with someone else's child acting up in a Walmart would just walk away.
Even if you're standing in line? I think embarrassing the kid's mother enough
that SHE'LL walk away is more appropriate.
> That is the ADULT way to handle the situation.
Indeed.
> And if you assault and batter a 2-year-old for ANY reason, you'd better be
> prepared to go to prison labelled as a child-beater. Have fun. -Dave
I don't think a slap resulting in a temporary red mark is exactly beating, but
it's certainly assault and battery.
--
Cheers, Bev
==========================================
If god had wanted me to bend over he would
have sprinkled the floor with diamonds.
....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
"The Real Bev" <bashle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> But any parent of a 2-year-old will tell you that SOMETIMES they just act
>> up for no apparent reason and there is nothing you can do about it. Any
>> ADULT faced with someone else's child acting up in a Walmart would just
>> walk away.
>
> Even if you're standing in line? I think embarrassing the kid's mother
> enough that SHE'LL walk away is more appropriate.
I don't.
SilentOtto
wrote:
> In article
> <1f9f3812-51a3-476f-8838-765537e12...@z24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Like I said, you must have brain damage from all the dirty diapers you
had stuffed in your mouth.
>
> > > The kid was obviously throwing a tantrum and didn't get away with it.
>
> > The article said the child was TWO years old, for Christ's sake.
>
> That is the age where they are learning just how much they can get away
> with and how to manipulate their parents.
That you rightards think it's appropriate to hit a two year old child
at any time is only evidence that you're unfit to raise children.
No wonder we've so many fucked up rightards in this country.
> > What the hell is wrong with you rightards that you think it's EVER
> > appropriate to hit a TWO YEAR OLD CHILD?
>
> I never said it was appropriate for the stranger to hit the child.
It's not appropriate for ANYONE to hit a two year old.
Ever.
Period.
Hitting a child is nothing more than an adult version of a tantrum
borne of frustration that you're not mature enough to deal with
without resorting to violence.
You're nothing but a spoiled brat yourself, only without the excuse of
youth to fall back on..
Heh heh...
Rightard child beaters...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single one of you.
> > If rightards are so fucked up that they can't even deal with a two
SilentOtto
> .... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!! . wrote:
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>
>
> > "Orval Fairbairn" <o_r_fairbairn@earth_link.net> wrote in message
> >news:o_r_fairbairn-6EC...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net...
> >> <.... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!! .>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> "Orval Fairbairn" <o_r_fairbairn@earth_link.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:o_r_fairbairn-FF2...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net...
Jesus fucking Christ...
What planet are you rightards from?
It IS PERFECTLY NORMAL for 2 and 3 year old children to throw
tantrums.
Can it be a bit annoying?
Sure.
So what?
Adults deal with petty annoyance and move on without needing to get in
someone's face or slap a baby.
Rightards...
Fucking worthless.
Nate Nagel
>
> "Nate Nagel" <njn...@roosters.net> wrote in message
> news:h7pok...@news7.newsguy.com...
>> If your kid is raising a ruckus in a public place, and someone says
>> something nasty to you about it, YOU DESERVE IT. KEEP YOUR GODDAMNED
>> BRATS UNDER CONTROL.
>
> Oh Nate, keeper of the wisdom of the ages. Please do tell us poor
> uninformed parents how to keep a 2-year-old under control and behaving
> like a little lady or gentleman 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
> Preferably without landing in prison or having DSS break down our doors...
If they are acting up in public, and you can't get them to shut up in a
few seconds, LEAVE. Don't subject the rest of us to your misbehaving
rugrat.
>
>
>>
>> Of course I realize that your "threat" is empty and hollow, because
>> undoubtedly you're a huge vagina in real life, but even so - just try
>> it, tough guy. Oh, and KEEP YOUR GODDAMNED BRATS UNDER CONTROL. Once
>> upon a time, it used to be considered rude to let a kid yell in public
>> for more than about, oh, three seconds before yanking him/her out of
>
> It still is considered rude.
Apparently not, as it's difficult to go out without being subjected to same.
>
>> wherever you were and out to the car or whatever (usually for
>> disciplinary measures for being an embarassing little shit.) I miss
>> those days.
>>
>> nate
>
> Well I guess I'm an old-fashioned type as I do believe in yanking my
> 2-year-old out of public spaces when he acts up. He doesn't need much
> discipline beyond that though. It's magic how dragging him back to the
> car seems to really piss him off momentarily, and then calm him down
> when he realizes what he wanted just aint happening no matter what. -Dave
Exactly. It's astonishing to me that parents will just let their kids
yell and yell and pretend not to hear them rather than this, but it
seems to be SOP.
nate
Nate Nagel
No, it's not. It'll happen occassionally, sure, but if it's happening
all the time, in public, it's a sign of bad parenting. And when it does
happen, the parents should take the kids and immediately leave. That's
the considerate thing to do for all around, plus it reinforces correct
behavior (e.g. "if you throw a tantrum in public, you don't get to be in
public anymore.")
nate
Nate Nagel
Everyone's wrong, sometimes. This is one of those times for you.
....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
Ever.
Period.
===
Otto, that is a seriously incisive and succinct post.
Kudos to you, man.
....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
> Dave wrote:
>>
>> "Nate Nagel" <njn...@roosters.net> wrote in message
>> news:h7pok...@news7.newsguy.com...
>>> If your kid is raising a ruckus in a public place, and someone says
>>> something nasty to you about it, YOU DESERVE IT. KEEP YOUR GODDAMNED
>>> BRATS UNDER CONTROL.
>>
>> Oh Nate, keeper of the wisdom of the ages. Please do tell us poor
>> uninformed parents how to keep a 2-year-old under control and behaving
>> like a little lady or gentleman 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
>> Preferably without landing in prison or having DSS break down our
>> doors...
>
> If they are acting up in public, and you can't get them to shut up in a
> few seconds, LEAVE. Don't subject the rest of us to your misbehaving
> rugrat.
If you cant stand the crying of a two year old, YOU leave, old man.
You've presumably got a car, a set of legs, etc....
So you just fuck
off.
What's so hard about that, retard?
....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
Of course it is, you fuckwit.
Anyone who's ever had kids will attest to that.
Rightards..........pathological lying cunts, the lot of you.
Sheesh.
....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
> .... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!! . wrote:
>> "The Real Bev" <bashle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:h7q462$92j$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> But any parent of a 2-year-old will tell you that SOMETIMES they just
>>>> act up for no apparent reason and there is nothing you can do about it.
>>>> Any ADULT faced with someone else's child acting up in a Walmart would
>>>> just walk away.
>>> Even if you're standing in line? I think embarrassing the kid's mother
>>> enough that SHE'LL walk away is more appropriate.
>>
>> I don't.
>>
>
Asshole, please. You come near one of my kids with that type of shit and
you'll be picking your broken teeth up off a blood-stained floor.
You know that, and I know that.
N8N
BeAn!! .! !!! .> wrote:
>
> news:h7qrj...@news6.newsguy.com...
>
> > .... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!! . wrote:
> >>news:h7q462$92j$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>>> But any parent of a 2-year-old will tell you that SOMETIMES they just
> >>>> act up for no apparent reason and there is nothing you can do about it.
> >>>> Any ADULT faced with someone else's child acting up in a Walmart would
> >>>> just walk away.
> >>> Even if you're standing in line? I think embarrassing the kid's mother
> >>> enough that SHE'LL walk away is more appropriate.
>
> >> I don't.
>
> > Everyone's wrong, som"<SMAK!>
>
> Asshole, please. You come near one of my kids with that type of shit and
> you'll be picking your broken teeth up off a blood-stained floor.
>
> You know that, and I know that.
You would assault me because I would have made a comment about your
kid's poor behavior and your poor parenting? You're insane. Go ahead
and take a swing at me in public over words, that would be amusing.
nate
Dave
>> public problems is to remove the offending children from public places.
>> As a father to a 2-year-old, I back up that sentiment with actions. Our
>> whole family has walked out of a restaurant, after ordering food, and
>> after paying for it, and before eating it, because our son was having a
>> "bad night".
>
> Did you at least ask them to wrap it up to go?
Yeah, after we got back to the car, I returned ALONE to get the food.
>> But any parent of a 2-year-old will tell you that SOMETIMES they just act
>> up for no apparent reason and there is nothing you can do about it. Any
>> ADULT faced with someone else's child acting up in a Walmart would just
>> walk away.
>
> Even if you're standing in line? I think embarrassing the kid's mother
> enough that SHE'LL walk away is more appropriate.
Ummmmmm.... NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shit, talk about kicking a woman when she's down. Having your 2-year-old
child act up in public is a terrible situation to be in, INCREDIBLY
stressful. Simply put, if you (as an unrelated member of the public who
happens to be near at the time) can't help, do nothing. If you deliberately
try to make the situation worse for the mother (or the parent), you are the
one who should be dragged out of the area. I'm dead serious on that. The
thought that anybody would deliberately intervene to make the situation
worse for the parent infuriates me. -Dave
Dave
>> 2-year-old out of public spaces when he acts up. He doesn't need much
>> discipline beyond that though. It's magic how dragging him back to the
>> car seems to really piss him off momentarily, and then calm him down when
>> he realizes what he wanted just aint happening no matter what. -Dave
>
> Exactly. It's astonishing to me that parents will just let their kids
> yell and yell and pretend not to hear them rather than this, but it seems
> to be SOP.
>
> nate
>
And it's unfortunate. But as I wrote earlier, do not intervene unless you
honestly are trying to help. Two wrongs do not make a right. One of the
worst situations you can be in (most stressful) in your life will be when
you are in charge of caring for a young child who is acting up in public.
To have a stranger (an adult who should know better) intervene to make the
situation even more stressful is so WRONG that it should be illegal. Like,
felony level illegal. IMHO -Dave
N8N
> >> Look, I think the best approach to most crying/acting up children in
> >> public problems is to remove the offending children from public places.
> >> As a father to a 2-year-old, I back up that sentiment with actions. Our
> >> whole family has walked out of a restaurant, after ordering food, and
> >> after paying for it, and before eating it, because our son was having a
> >> "bad night".
>
> > Did you at least ask them to wrap it up to go?
>
> Yeah, after we got back to the car, I returned ALONE to get the food.
Good for you for doing the right thing.
>
> >> But any parent of a 2-year-old will tell you that SOMETIMES they just act
> >> up for no apparent reason and there is nothing you can do about it. Any
> >> ADULT faced with someone else's child acting up in a Walmart would just
> >> walk away.
>
> > Even if you're standing in line? I think embarrassing the kid's mother
> > enough that SHE'LL walk away is more appropriate.
>
> Ummmmmm.... NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Shit, talk about kicking a woman when she's down. Having your 2-year-old
> child act up in public is a terrible situation to be in, INCREDIBLY
> stressful. Simply put, if you (as an unrelated member of the public who
> happens to be near at the time) can't help, do nothing. If you deliberately
> try to make the situation worse for the mother (or the parent), you are the
> one who should be dragged out of the area. I'm dead serious on that. The
> thought that anybody would deliberately intervene to make the situation
> worse for the parent infuriates me. -Dave
The point is, there should be no need to intervene. The parent should
remove the child from the public place. Immediately. There is no
other acceptable course of action. Any pointed reminders of this,
after giving the parent a suitable amount of time to rectify the
situation by him/herself, are entirely deserved and necessary for a
civilized society. (once upon a time, waiters in restaurants would
take it upon themselves to deliver these reminders, but those days
seem to be long gone.)
The fact that people don't seem to understand this boggles the mind.
Of course it is stressful for the parent, but that just comes with the
job.
nate
N8N
So what would you recommend, then? Calling the cops?
People don't just correct their poor behavior unless someone points
out to them that they're behaving poorly. Lack of negative
reinforcement is essentially the same thing as positive
reinforcement. Just like every time you don't tap your horn at
someone who cuts you off, that just encourages them to do it again and
again.
nate
Dave
> Shit, talk about kicking a woman when she's down. Having your 2-year-old
> child act up in public is a terrible situation to be in, INCREDIBLY
> stressful. Simply put, if you (as an unrelated member of the public who
> happens to be near at the time) can't help, do nothing. If you
> deliberately
> try to make the situation worse for the mother (or the parent), you are
> the
> one who should be dragged out of the area. I'm dead serious on that. The
> thought that anybody would deliberately intervene to make the situation
> worse for the parent infuriates me. -Dave
>The point is, there should be no need to intervene. The parent should
>remove the child from the public place. Immediately. There is no
>other acceptable course of action. Any pointed reminders of this,
>after giving the parent a suitable amount of time to rectify the
>situation by him/herself, are entirely deserved and necessary for a
>civilized society.
No, you need to learn to mind your own business. Two wrongs do not make a
right. It is not your job to intervene in a bad situation if you can't be
helpful. Offering "pointed reminders" is not helpful. You honestly think a
parent is going to take your suggestion and have an "A-HA!!!" moment, as if
he/she should have thought of that themselves?!? If you can't be an adult
and remove yourself from the area, at least have the common decency to keep
your mouth SHUT.
> (once upon a time, waiters in restaurants would
>take it upon themselves to deliver these reminders, but those days
>seem to be long gone.)
OK, restaurant is one situation where I can see it might be appropriate for
the staff to gently make a suggestion. It's not like nearby people can just
get up and leave. Some may be eating, some may be really hungry and
expecting food to be delivered soon.
>The fact that people don't seem to understand this boggles the mind.
>Of course it is stressful for the parent, but that just comes with the
>job.
There is no need to add to the stress. -Dave
Dave
>
> And it's unfortunate. But as I wrote earlier, do not intervene unless you
> honestly are trying to help. Two wrongs do not make a right. One of the
> worst situations you can be in (most stressful) in your life will be when
> you are in charge of caring for a young child who is acting up in public.
> To have a stranger (an adult who should know better) intervene to make the
> situation even more stressful is so WRONG that it should be illegal. Like,
> felony level illegal. IMHO -Dave
>So what would you recommend, then? Calling the cops?
How about ummmm.... NOTHING. Sheesh. That's so obvious, it should go
without saying.
>People don't just correct their poor behavior unless someone points
>out to them that they're behaving poorly.
Nothing good can come of "pointing out to them that they're behaving
poorly". At best, you will distract the parent from the task at hand,
dragging the situation out longer than necessary. At worst, you will make
an extremely stressful situation even more stressful. You actually think
there is a parent in the world who WANTS their children to make a scene in
public?!? It might look sometimes like parents are being too tolerant, but
it's not a comfortable position to be in, whether you do the right thing OR
NOT. If a parent doesn't seem to be doing what YOU would want them to do,
then the acting-up child is more than punishment ENOUGH for the failure to
act in a more appropriate manner (in your opinion, at least).
> Lack of negative
>reinforcement is essentially the same thing as positive
>reinforcement.
You are forgetting that the child is offering plenty of negative
reinforcement already. If you can't help, shut the fuck up and (if
possible) walk away. -Dave
N8N
I believe that most parents just don't give a fuck. I can't remember
the last time that I was in a public place with more than three young
children present and at least one wasn't squalling his little head
off. Hasn't happened that this has occurred where I was able to
pinpoint the responsible child/parent...
I believe that, sadly, most people are simply be rude, self-centered
pricks with no consideration for their fellow man. I don't believe
this "stressful" thing for a minute because I don't believe that they
actually care one way or the other about either their children or the
rest of the public who is "forced" to "tolerate" them.
nate
Brent
>>
>> Shit, talk about kicking a woman when she's down. Having your 2-year-old
>> child act up in public is a terrible situation to be in, INCREDIBLY
>> stressful. Simply put, if you (as an unrelated member of the public who
>> happens to be near at the time) can't help, do nothing. If you
>> deliberately
>> try to make the situation worse for the mother (or the parent), you are
>> the
>> one who should be dragged out of the area. I'm dead serious on that. The
>> thought that anybody would deliberately intervene to make the situation
>> worse for the parent infuriates me. -Dave
>
>>The point is, there should be no need to intervene. The parent should
>>remove the child from the public place. Immediately. There is no
>>other acceptable course of action. Any pointed reminders of this,
>>after giving the parent a suitable amount of time to rectify the
>>situation by him/herself, are entirely deserved and necessary for a
>>civilized society.
>
> No, you need to learn to mind your own business. Two wrongs do not make a
> right. It is not your job to intervene in a bad situation if you can't be
> helpful. Offering "pointed reminders" is not helpful. You honestly think a
> parent is going to take your suggestion and have an "A-HA!!!" moment, as if
> he/she should have thought of that themselves?!? If you can't be an adult
> and remove yourself from the area, at least have the common decency to keep
> your mouth SHUT.
If other people don't object, how is the ofending person going to know
that what he is doing is affecting others in a negative way?
It's just how ass-backwards american society is. It's on the roads
daily... the various JEDLI behaviors... In this society we are just
supposed to silently take other people's crap all day long, day in, day
out, week after week, year after year. Nothing is ever supposed to be
done to keep people from being rude and worse to others. Just let them
do it... which encourages it... which means more rude, self-centered,
assholish behavior.
It's gone so far that now, to stand up to this behavior or even mildly
object to it (say sounding a horn when some idiot is forcing his way
in front because he was too important to get in at the back of the
queue) is considered 'wrong' and 'being an asshole' by the general
population. The infinite tolerance model is unworkable. It must end.
People need to realize that other people have no obligation to sit there
quietly and take it.
Everyone has a limit. Some people have lower limits than others. It's
little wonder so many people in american society just flip out after
sitting there and taking so much crap from other people for years
silently. But instead of realizing that there is a basic fundamental
issue in the society people blame 'guns' or 'poor mental health' or some
other easy thing... never can it be that sitting there and taking other
people's crap day in day out to absurd needless levels has any sort of
stressful effect.
N8N
> > Shit, talk about kicking a woman when she's down. Having your 2-year-old
> > child act up in public is a terrible situation to be in, INCREDIBLY
> > stressful. Simply put, if you (as an unrelated member of the public who
> > happens to be near at the time) can't help, do nothing. If you
> > deliberately
> > try to make the situation worse for the mother (or the parent), you are
> > the
> > one who should be dragged out of the area. I'm dead serious on that. The
> > thought that anybody would deliberately intervene to make the situation
> > worse for the parent infuriates me. -Dave
> >The point is, there should be no need to intervene. The parent should
> >remove the child from the public place. Immediately. There is no
> >other acceptable course of action. Any pointed reminders of this,
> >after giving the parent a suitable amount of time to rectify the
> >situation by him/herself, are entirely deserved and necessary for a
> >civilized society.
>
> No, you need to learn to mind your own business. Two wrongs do not make a
> right. It is not your job to intervene in a bad situation if you can't be
> helpful. Offering "pointed reminders" is not helpful. You honestly think a
> parent is going to take your suggestion and have an "A-HA!!!" moment, as if
> he/she should have thought of that themselves?!? If you can't be an adult
> and remove yourself from the area, at least have the common decency to keep
> your mouth SHUT.
Why should *I* have to remove *myself* from the restaurant, store,
whatever when there's a handy parking lot right there to which the
brat can easily be removed? *I* am not the one making a scene, the
kid is.
>
> > (once upon a time, waiters in restaurants would
> >take it upon themselves to deliver these reminders, but those days
> >seem to be long gone.)
>
> OK, restaurant is one situation where I can see it might be appropriate for
> the staff to gently make a suggestion. It's not like nearby people can just
> get up and leave. Some may be eating, some may be really hungry and
> expecting food to be delivered soon.
Right. But I don't *need* to go to the grocery store, hardware store,
or wherever I happen to be shopping for clothes, so it's OK for kids
to be running around yelling and screaming there?
>
> >The fact that people don't seem to understand this boggles the mind.
> >Of course it is stressful for the parent, but that just comes with the
> >job.
>
> There is no need to add to the stress.
Like I said in my other post, I don't believe that these parents are
experiencing any stress whatsoever. If they were, they might
discipline their kids occasionally. If I add a little stress to their
otherwise oblivious, selfish existences, TFB.
It's a sign of just how ass backwards our society has become when one
is considered the "bad guy" for merely verbally pointing out the
rudeness of others, but unprovoked rudeness is expected to be
tolerated without comment. (this isn't just in relation to unruly
children, either - this is actually quite on topic for RAD, unlike the
original post that started this thread.)
I kind of imagine the old guy that slapped the kid has a similar
perspective to mine and has been putting up with this shit for years,
and finally snapped. Not excusable, of course, but still.
20 or 30 years ago this discussion would have been unthinkable. It
seems quaint and old fashioned today, but when my parents took me out
in public as a small child I was actually expected to behave, stay
nearby, keep my hands off of things that weren't mine, and limit my
communications to actual words delivered in a conversational tone of
voice. When they went somewhere where even a moment's lapse of good
behavior would be unthinkably rude, such as any restaurant nicer than
McDonald's, until I was of such an age that that could be assured, I
was left at home with a sitter. I don't see that it is unreasonable
to expect this from all parents, but obviously the vast majority of
breeding humans appear to disagree with this. And this is a shame.
nate
Orval Fairbairn
Are you and "Otto" sockpuppets of each other?
In case both of you retards missed it, I NEVER advocated physical
violence against a child. It is also apparent that both of you (if, in
fact there really ARE two of you -- I think one with different handles)
are stuck in two-year-old mode and think that, if you scream loud
enough, long enough, you can get your way. This is because your mother
(I doubt that you even know who your father was) let you get away with
it and never exercised any proper discipline on you.
Orval Fairbairn
<.... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!! .>
wrote:
> "The Real Bev" <bashle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
You already ARE an embarrassment to your mother!
Dave
> reinforcement already. If you can't help, shut the fuck up and (if
> possible) walk away. -Dave
>I believe that most parents just don't give a fuck.
I think there are probably some who really don't give a fuck. Probably not
nearly as many as you seem to think there are, though.
> I can't remember
>the last time that I was in a public place with more than three young
>children present and at least one wasn't squalling his little head
>off. Hasn't happened that this has occurred where I was able to
>pinpoint the responsible child/parent...
One piece of advice... (as if you need yet another reason to do this) is to
avoid Wal-Mart. Every wal-mart I've been in has been crammed full of
people. And yes, this includes some screaming/badly behaving children among
the throngs of humanity.
>I believe that, sadly, most people are simply be rude, self-centered
>pricks with no consideration for their fellow man. I don't believe
>this "stressful" thing for a minute because I don't believe that they
>actually care one way or the other about either their children or the
>rest of the public who is "forced" to "tolerate" them.
Your perception is skewed too far in one direction, nate. There are just
enough people who fit your PERCEPTION to make you believe that everyone (or
most people) do fit your perception. -Dave
Dave
>> a
>> right. It is not your job to intervene in a bad situation if you can't
>> be
>> helpful. Offering "pointed reminders" is not helpful. You honestly
>> think a
>> parent is going to take your suggestion and have an "A-HA!!!" moment, as
>> if
>> he/she should have thought of that themselves?!? If you can't be an
>> adult
>> and remove yourself from the area, at least have the common decency to
>> keep
>> your mouth SHUT.
>
> If other people don't object, how is the ofending person going to know
> that what he is doing is affecting others in a negative way?
Most people are on the earth, interacting with other people... some of whom
have small children, for at least 16-17 years before they become parents
themselves. When you (personally) become a parent, that will be sometime
AFTER somebody else's children have annoyed the fuck out of you. In fact,
it will probably happen zillions of times that other peoples' children will
annoy the fuck out of you, before you even come close to acquiring the title
of mom or dad or step-mom or something similar... -Dave
Dave
> right. It is not your job to intervene in a bad situation if you can't be
> helpful. Offering "pointed reminders" is not helpful. You honestly think a
> parent is going to take your suggestion and have an "A-HA!!!" moment, as
> if
> he/she should have thought of that themselves?!? If you can't be an adult
> and remove yourself from the area, at least have the common decency to
> keep
> your mouth SHUT.
>Why should *I* have to remove *myself* from the restaurant, store,
>whatever when there's a handy parking lot right there to which the
>brat can easily be removed? *I* am not the one making a scene, the
>kid is.
I generally agree that misbehaving children should be removed from public
areas. However, in the example that they are NOT removed, and that annoys
you...it is then YOUR responsibility to do something to make yourself feel
better. Such as removing YOURSELF from the area. And if you choose to
remain in such an uncomfortable situation, don't make the situation worse by
trying to intervene. If the kids don't leave, then YOU leave (if you feel
you must), or shut the fuck up.
>
> > (once upon a time, waiters in restaurants would
> >take it upon themselves to deliver these reminders, but those days
> >seem to be long gone.)
>
> OK, restaurant is one situation where I can see it might be appropriate
> for
> the staff to gently make a suggestion. It's not like nearby people can
> just
> get up and leave. Some may be eating, some may be really hungry and
> expecting food to be delivered soon.
>Right. But I don't *need* to go to the grocery store, hardware store,
>or wherever I happen to be shopping for clothes, so it's OK for kids
>to be running around yelling and screaming there?
No, I didn't say it was OK. What I'm saying is, don't make the situation
worse by being an asshole. Why is that such a hard concept for some people
to grasp? I've rarely seen a store of any kind where you couldn't walk away
from screaming kids. Even at the register...is that register the ONLY one
open? Highly unlikely. -Dave
Brent
I will not suddenly change into someone who decides that my problems
should be everyone else's problems. You clearly didn't. Why you defend
those who make their problems into problems for everyone is rather
bogglesome.
It's the difference between someone who when he's in the wrong lane
decides to cut over into the lane he should have gotten in delaying
others and one who decides to suck it up, go the direction of the lane
he's in and find a place to turn around.
I don't expect other people to tolerate my problems, I deal with them in
such a way as to not bother other people or at least keep it to the
absolute minimum. That's how a properly functioning society works. A
disfunctional society headed towards breakdown is what we live in, where
we are all supposed to take an unlimited amount of crap from our fellow
man and deal with his problems. It cannot go on forever. It either
results in total breakdown, a total (controlling) state, or both.
Brent
>>Right. But I don't *need* to go to the grocery store, hardware store,
>>or wherever I happen to be shopping for clothes, so it's OK for kids
>>to be running around yelling and screaming there?
>
> No, I didn't say it was OK. What I'm saying is, don't make the situation
> worse by being an asshole. Why is that such a hard concept for some people
> to grasp? I've rarely seen a store of any kind where you couldn't walk away
> from screaming kids. Even at the register...is that register the ONLY one
> open? Highly unlikely.
This is what is ass-backwards about american society. It's being an
'asshole' to object. Back to the driving analogies... I've been
considered an 'asshole' because I refuse to let in some queue jumping
MFFY driver. Sure, in the modern American sense I am, because I try not
to allow this sort of aggression against me. And that's what it is
you're saying, that to object to objectional behavior is to be an
'asshole'. That's what we are taught in this society time and time
again. 'Yes mr. criminal, here's my wallet'. 'Yes mr. government, here's
my wallet and my life'. There's a reason we are taught to be like that
and it isn't for our own good. Some people learn to take advantage of it
some ways. Be it driving or simply not caring to control their
offspring or some other minor way.
N8N
There's enough of them that I'm just about assured of hearing evidence
of one nearly every time I am in a public place.
nate
David Johnston
MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>http://news.aol.com/article/stranger-slapped-screaming-child-in/653392?
>icid=main
>
>Stranger Slapped Crying Child, Police Say
>AP
>
>posted: 2 HOURS 44 MINUTES AGO
>STONE MOUNTAIN, Ga. (Sept. 2) - Police say a 61-year-old man annoyed with a
>crying 2-year-old girl at a suburban Atlanta Walmart slapped the child
>several times after warning the toddler's mother to keep her quiet.
>
>A police report says after the stranger hit the girl at least four times,
>he said: "See, I told you I would shut her up."
>
>Roger Stephens of Stone Mountain is charged with felony cruelty to
>children.
>
>Authorities say the girl and her mother were shopping Monday when the
>toddler began crying. The police report says Stephens approached the mother
>and said, "If you don't shut that baby up, I will shut her up for you."
>Authorities say Stephens then grabbed the 2-year-old and slapped her. The
>child began screaming and Stephens was arrested. Police say an examination
>showed the girl's face was slightly red.
>
>(snip)
>
>-----------------------------
>
>But if he was a speeder or DUI or red-light-runner and ran over the kid,
>nothing would be done to him!!
Nothing WILL be done to him, dumbass.
Dave
>> whom
>> have small children, for at least 16-17 years before they become parents
>> themselves. When you (personally) become a parent, that will be sometime
>> AFTER somebody else's children have annoyed the fuck out of you. In
>> fact,
>> it will probably happen zillions of times that other peoples' children
>> will
>> annoy the fuck out of you, before you even come close to acquiring the
>> title
>> of mom or dad or step-mom or something similar... -Dave
>
> I will not suddenly change into someone who decides that my problems
> should be everyone else's problems. You clearly didn't. Why you defend
> those who make their problems into problems for everyone is rather
> bogglesome.
Well, as a parent, I understand that, at times...there is only so much one
can do to reinforce good behavior in a 2 year old. Sometimes they act up
and you know why (you just took their blankie away after they dragged it
through the mud, for example). Other times, it seems evil aliens have
possessed them, as you are totally clueless as to WHAT could possibly be
bothering them.
Looking at the problem from the point of view of being a parent...I'm not
going to presume to second-guess another parent, knowing that it's
*possible* that the other parent has done everything correct, and that the
child is just having one of THOSE moments where they (the child/ren) are
behaving in a way that is totally unexpected given everything that the
parent is aware of.
2-year-olds simply can not be perfectly controlled like robots...yet some
people (most of whom don't have children and never will) seem to believe
that this is (somehow) possible.
I generally agree that misbehaving children should be removed from public
areas. And I ACT on that belief when I'm in charge of my own 2 year old.
However, sometimes as a parent, you just need to get your chores done, and
can't lock the kids in the car or the closet while you are doing them, and
coming back later is not an option...
Like it or not, if you are participating in usenet, you are human. And
guess what? At one point in your life, you were a 2-year-old human who
annoyed the fuck out of many people around you, probably on a daily basis.
Think about THAT before you come down too hard on parents that YOU perceive
to be inadequate somehow. If you do or say something to someone's parents,
first consider if you would have wanted someone to do or say that to your
own parents, back when you were 2 years old and misbehaving (and yes, you
WERE misbehaving when you were 2 years old...only a total fucking moron
would believe otherwise). If you really do that, chances are you will shut
up and/or walk away. -Dave
Brent
> 2-year-olds simply can not be perfectly controlled like robots...yet some
> people (most of whom don't have children and never will) seem to believe
> that this is (somehow) possible.
No one made such an argument. The parents can choose to either
A) deal with the problems of their children.
B) force everyone else to endure their children.
Nobody argued the problems don't exist, least that I noticed (I've read
few posts in this thread). The point is how they are dealt with.
> I generally agree that misbehaving children should be removed from public
> areas. And I ACT on that belief when I'm in charge of my own 2 year old.
> However, sometimes as a parent, you just need to get your chores done, and
> can't lock the kids in the car or the closet while you are doing them, and
> coming back later is not an option...
So finding a place turn around sometimes just isn't an option, so
everyone else will just have to deal with jamming one's way into the
turn lane? That's what I'm hearing. 'My problems, you deal.'
> Like it or not, if you are participating in usenet, you are human. And
> guess what? At one point in your life, you were a 2-year-old human who
> annoyed the fuck out of many people around you, probably on a daily basis.
> Think about THAT before you come down too hard on parents that YOU perceive
> to be inadequate somehow. If you do or say something to someone's parents,
> first consider if you would have wanted someone to do or say that to your
> own parents, back when you were 2 years old and misbehaving (and yes, you
> WERE misbehaving when you were 2 years old...only a total fucking moron
> would believe otherwise). If you really do that, chances are you will shut
> up and/or walk away.
Let me tell you a story. Once upon a time I was at work and a boss's
boss brings her kid into work with her. Kid was much older than 2, by a
few multiples of it I want to say 10-11.. He walks into my cube and
punches me. Because I am in a work environment and the kid belongs to my
boss's boss, there's very little I can do. I should have hit the kid
back to teach him a lesson not to punch people. Instead I did something
to simply show him how powerless he was against me without harming him.
It was probably the first time anyone had done anything back towards
this kid. JEDLI had gone so far that this kid didn't have a problem with
coming up to a stranger and punching him. I've got a few examples with
even older kids too. The JEDLI entitlement is running way too strong...
and I'll wager it started very early.
People need to take care of their own problems so they don't bother
other people or at least keep it to a minimum. When they don't, silent
acceptance only creates the condition that people don't have to. That
they can let their kids run wild, they can inconvience other people in
traffice, they can do what ever is best for them and the hell with
everyone else. It should simply never get to the point where some other
person even needs to say anything, but when it does, quiet acceptance
doesn't do anything but encourage more of it.
BTW, what would happen to me as a little kid if I got out of line in
public would be turned in as child abuse today but not in any way
unusual at that time. But that was another time, when people were
expected to deal with their own issues instead of having everyone else
subjected to them.
Matthew Russotto
Dave <now...@nohow2.not> wrote:
>> (attribution lost)
>> Even if you're standing in line? I think embarrassing the kid's mother
>> enough that SHE'LL walk away is more appropriate.
>
>Ummmmmm.... NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Shit, talk about kicking a woman when she's down. Having your 2-year-old
>child act up in public is a terrible situation to be in, INCREDIBLY
>stressful. Simply put, if you (as an unrelated member of the public who
>happens to be near at the time) can't help, do nothing. If you deliberately
>try to make the situation worse for the mother (or the parent), you are the
>one who should be dragged out of the area. I'm dead serious on that. The
>thought that anybody would deliberately intervene to make the situation
>worse for the parent infuriates me. -Dave
You're not getting it. The kid is causing stress to everyone around
him. That includes the "unrelated members of the public". The parent
is _responsible_ for all this stress. It is therefore perfectly
reasonable for these unrelated members of the public to put pressure
on the parent to take care of the situation. If that results in more
stress on the parent, tough shit; you should have known the job was
tough when you took it on.
--
It's times like these which make me glad my bank is Dial-a-Mattress
Matthew Russotto
Dave <now...@nohow2.not> wrote:
>
>No, you need to learn to mind your own business.
As soon as your kid shuts up. Until he does, or leaves the area, his
screaming IS my business.
Arif Khokar
> I generally agree that misbehaving children should be removed from
> public areas. However, in the example that they are NOT removed, and
> that annoys you...it is then YOUR responsibility
WRONG. It is the parent's responsibility to remove the child. If their
child(ren) cannot behave themselves, then the other parent should go out
and run errands instead. Either that or hire a baby sitter while you
run errands.
....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
"N8N" <njn...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:22646cad-0eac-491e...@x38g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
===
Like he said, best keep out of Walmart and stay in your trailer park.
Problem solved.
....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
So how *is* the paranoia treatment going, man?
....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
On Sep 5, 2:57 am, <.... tHe_PC_JelLlLy
BeAn!! .! !!! .> wrote:
>
> news:h7qrj...@news6.newsguy.com...
>
> > .... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!! . wrote:
> >>news:h7q462$92j$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>>> But any parent of a 2-year-old will tell you that SOMETIMES they just
> >>>> act up for no apparent reason and there is nothing you can do about
> >>>> it.
> >>>> Any ADULT faced with someone else's child acting up in a Walmart
> >>>> would
> >>>> just walk away.
> >>> enough that SHE'LL walk away is more appropriate.
>
>
> > Everyone's wrong, som"<SMAK!>
>
> Asshole, please. You come near one of my kids with that type of shit and
> you'll be picking your broken teeth up off a blood-stained floor.
>
> You know that, and I know that.
You would assault me because I would have made a comment about your
kid's poor behavior and your poor parenting?
===
No.
I'd assault you if you threatened my kid in anyway.
And you'd do the same.
....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
"Matthew Russotto" <russ...@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:hsydnYGH8JjL-TzX...@speakeasy.net...
> In article <h7r9sr$oi3$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Dave <now...@nohow2.not> wrote:
>>
>>No, you need to learn to mind your own business.
>
> As soon as your kid shuts up. Until he does, or leaves the area, his
> screaming IS my business.
Bullshit.
....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
> In article <h7r8v2$hei$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Dave <now...@nohow2.not> wrote:
>>> (attribution lost)
>>> Even if you're standing in line? I think embarrassing the kid's mother
>>> enough that SHE'LL walk away is more appropriate.
>>
>>Ummmmmm.... NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>Shit, talk about kicking a woman when she's down. Having your 2-year-old
>>child act up in public is a terrible situation to be in, INCREDIBLY
>>stressful. Simply put, if you (as an unrelated member of the public who
>>happens to be near at the time) can't help, do nothing. If you
>>deliberately
>>try to make the situation worse for the mother (or the parent), you are
>>the
>>one who should be dragged out of the area. I'm dead serious on that. The
>>thought that anybody would deliberately intervene to make the situation
>>worse for the parent infuriates me. -Dave
>
> You're not getting it. The kid is causing stress to everyone around
> him.
What "stress"?
Its a fucking crying baby, for christ's sake.
You self-important bozos need to get over yourselves.
You're just NOT THAT IMPORTANT.
Nate Nagel
Matthew is a taxpayer and a productive member of society. Your
squalling brat is not. Therefore Matthew is more important.
nate
--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel
Nate Nagel
The ill-bred trailer trash that patronize Wal-Mart and drag along their
screaming crotchfruit is one of many reasons that I prefer not to
patronize that store unless absolutely necessary.
Nate Nagel
I would not threaten your child. I would, however, politely request
that you remove the screaming brat from my presence. And I would be
completely justified in doing so. If you were to threaten me as a
result of said polite request, I would interpret that as assault
(because, well, isn't that the definition of assault?) You can make of
that whatever you will.
necromancer
>My policy is to beat the crap out of the parent. I've done dozens of
>times.
Yeah right, you lying septic.
--
Loco Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend shows us how
Loco it really is:
"Now that is really stupid. As with all FLs, Laura
Bush is the most influential woman in the country."
--Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend/laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE/
Speeders And Drunk Drivers Are Murderers (SADDAM)
Ref: http://tinyurl.com/zcdkz
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....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
"Nate Nagel" <njn...@roosters.net> wrote in message
news:h7sef...@news1.newsguy.com...
You don't know that.
Stop making stuff up out of thin air.
>Your squalling brat is not.
I don't have any brats, "squalling" or otherwise.
Stop making stuff up out of thin air.
> Therefore Matthew is more important.
It's actually good that a total fuckwit like you will not add to the gene
pool.
I congratulate you on recognizing the fact that you are a pathetic & angry
worm and have taken the sensible decision to not replicate.
....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
Good, then you get to keep your teeth a bit longer.
> I would, however, politely request that you remove the screaming brat from
> my presence.
And I would tell you to fuck off.
> And I would be completely justified in doing so.
No you wouldn't, you kook.
You have no right to direct where a person may stay.
>If you were to threaten me as a result of said polite request, I would
>interpret that as assault
That's because you're obviously a coward .
Grow a spine already and stop being afraid of small kids.
> (because, well, isn't that the definition of assault?) You can make of
> that whatever you will.
Im flat out making sense of anything you say, except for the fact that
you're a lonely and angry old man who has a low tolerance for other human
beings.
....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
That and the fact that you can't afford it...;p)
The Real Bev
> .... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! wrote:
>> "Matthew Russotto" <russ...@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>> <now...@nohow2.not> wrote:
*I* wrote:
>>>>> (attribution lost) Even if you're standing in line? I think
>>>>> embarrassing the kid's mother enough that SHE'LL walk away is more
>>>>> appropriate.
>>>> Ummmmmm.... NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Shit, talk about kicking a woman when she's down. Having your
>>>> 2-year-old child act up in public is a terrible situation to be in,
>>>> INCREDIBLY stressful. Simply put, if you (as an unrelated member of
>>>> the public who happens to be near at the time) can't help, do nothing.
>>>> If you deliberately try to make the situation worse for the mother (or
>>>> the parent), you are the one who should be dragged out of the area.
>>>> I'm dead serious on that. The thought that anybody would deliberately
>>>> intervene to make the situation worse for the parent infuriates me.
>>>>
>>> You're not getting it. The kid is causing stress to everyone around
>>> him.
>>
>> What "stress"?
>>
>> Its a fucking crying baby, for christ's sake.
Mothers react really strongly to a crying child. Any crying child. It's an
automatic thing. When our children are too old for that sort of behavior we
still have the reaction, and then we think 'Thank god I don't have to deal with
that shit again.' BUT we still get that initial adrenaline rush and it will
happen to us for the rest of our lives.
Since you (tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn) will never have the opportunity to reproduce,
you will just have to take my word for it.
--
Cheers, Bev
---------------------------------
aibohphobia - fear of palindromes
Dave
> public would be turned in as child abuse today but not in any way
> unusual at that time.
Yeah, I don't agree with the growing sentiment that physical punishment is
abuse. Many children probably could use a good spanking now and then, but
that seems to be banned now. Incredible.
> But that was another time, when people were
> expected to deal with their own issues instead of having everyone else
> subjected to them.
You are kidding yourself if you honestly believe that there was ever a time
when you would not have had to deal with other peoples' misbehaving
children.
Dave
>
> You're not getting it. The kid is causing stress to everyone around
> him. That includes the "unrelated members of the public". The parent
> is _responsible_ for all this stress.
If you let somebody else's misbehaving brat bother you that bad, that is a
psychological problem that you and you alone are responsible for.
> It is therefore perfectly
> reasonable for these unrelated members of the public to put pressure
> on the parent to take care of the situation.
No, it is not.
> If that results in more
> stress on the parent, tough shit; you should have known the job was
> tough when you took it on.
It's my honest opinion that nobody in their right mind would ever choose to
be a parent, if there was some way to TRULY understand how stressful it will
be, BEFORE it happens. It is the toughest job in the world, period. Only a
MFFY asshole would think it is a good idea to cause even more stress to a
parent, just because some unrelated toddler is acting like a toddler.
On a side note, I used to think all those folks who put "baby on board"
signs on their cars were bragging or doing it to stroke their egos or
something. Now as a parent I know, it is a fair warning to all other
drivers... "the driver of this vehicle is on his last nerve...stay out of
his way..." (or something like that) -Dave
Dave
"Arif Khokar" <akhok...@wvu.edu> wrote in message
news:Yniom.135710$8B7.1...@newsfe20.iad...
Ok, I take it you do not have kids. (that's not a question, just a logical
conclusion based on what you just wrote). Simply put, WHAT baby sitter? It
took us months to find our first one...who was only available every other
weekend. And now not available at all. It took months to find a
replacement for her. So far she's working out OK, but still not available
at all times we need her. After several more weeks of looking, we just
found another one. We're hopeful this one will be more reliable than the
last two. Point is, at least half the time our son has been out of the
womb, we've had no access to any baby sitter. We have a daycare provider,
but daycare is only available while we're working. Some daycare providers
have more "flexible" hours that might allow working parents to do chores
without the children. But these few also have waiting lists that are years
long.
Childcare (or lack thereof) is a HUMONGOUS problem in this country. You
don't fully grasp the severity of the problem until it is your child who
needs a care provider and none are available. So your comment to hire a
baby sitter was a dead giveaway that you don't have children. If only it
was THAT simple. Just pick up the phone and call the baby sitter.
igh... -Dave
Brent
What I see today is vastly different than what I saw even 10 years ago.
Brent
>
>>
>> him. That includes the "unrelated members of the public". The parent
>> is _responsible_ for all this stress.
>
> If you let somebody else's misbehaving brat bother you that bad, that is a
> psychological problem that you and you alone are responsible for.
The infinite tolerance model. If you don't have infinite tolerance for
(insert poor,rude,etc behavior here) you have a psychological problem.
You should just stop (insert whatever you like doing) and go home.
I've heard the same statement about driving. One particular type that
sticks out is that I have a psychological problem because things like
people brush passing me when I'm bicycling bother me. That if I don't
like people needlessly risking my life so they can get to a stop sign
first, I should just give up bicycling.
Orval Fairbairn
We can only hope! It seems that "tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn" had rotten parents
and would be a rotten parent, because (s)he is a rotten person and would
have rotten kids. I hope that "tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn" reports to the
nearest spay & neuter clinic ASAP!
--
Remove _'s from email address to talk to me.
Arif Khokar
> "Arif Khokar" <akhok...@wvu.edu> wrote in message
> news:Yniom.135710$8B7.1...@newsfe20.iad...
>> WRONG. It is the parent's responsibility to remove the child. If
>> their child(ren) cannot behave themselves, then the other parent
>> should go out and run errands instead. Either that or hire a baby
>> sitter while you run errands.
> Ok, I take it you do not have kids. (that's not a question, just a
> logical conclusion based on what you just wrote). Simply put, WHAT baby
> sitter? It took us months to find our first one...who was only
> available every other weekend.
Which indicates that there is a baby sitter. HINT: since you wrote "it
took US months ...", that means there are two of you, one of which can
serve as a baby sitter when you're unable to hire one.
Orval Fairbairn
Arif Khokar <akhok...@wvu.edu> wrote:
It may also indicate that the kids are such brats that no sane
babysitter would sit for them.
Dave
>> time
>> when you would not have had to deal with other peoples' misbehaving
>> children.
>
> What I see today is vastly different than what I saw even 10 years ago.
How have you changed in the past 10 years that has skewed your perception of
reality now? -Dave
Dave
>> Ok, I take it you do not have kids. (that's not a question, just a
>> logical conclusion based on what you just wrote). Simply put, WHAT baby
>> sitter? It took us months to find our first one...who was only available
>> every other weekend.
>
> Which indicates that there is a baby sitter.
Well yes, there is now. But my point (which you seemed to miss or ignore)
is that we've gone months at a time without one. Not by choice.
> HINT: since you wrote "it took US months ...", that means there are two
> of you, one of which can serve as a baby sitter when you're unable to hire
> one.
You also missed the fact that both of us work. And one of us alone racks up
80-100 hours per week. Every once in a while we are lucky enough to be able
to do chores together as a family. It happens once or twice a year. Most
of the time, it's up to one parent to run errands while the other parent is
working. And we don't always have access to a baby-sitter.
Luckily, we do right now, at the moment. In fact, I don't know how we
managed this, but we actually have two baby-sitters. At the moment.
:) -Dave
Dave
>> took US months ...", that means there are two of you, one of which can
>> serve as a baby sitter when you're unable to hire one.
>
> It may also indicate that the kids are such brats that no sane
> babysitter would sit for them.
Well our latest baby-sitter (who has only watched our son once) commented
that she's amazed how polite and well-behaved our son is. And I'm not
saying that to brag. But he's the only 2-year-old I know (24 months, not 25
yet) who regularly says please and thank-you... and uses the terms in
context. That is, he knows when to say please and when to say
thank-you...he's not just repeating words that he's heard. Our previous
baby-sitter was constantly begging us to have a girl. She was enjoying
watching our son so much, she wanted us to have a girl, also. The teenage
baby-sitter was encouraging us to have another child because she loved our
son. Both my wife and I had a good laugh over that. (like, we'll get right
on that!!! ha ha) He's also a natural-born leader. Every play group he's
been in, he is obviously the center of attention. All the other children
all want to play with our son. The kid's not even out of diapers yet and
he's got so many girlfriends we'd need a super-computer to keep track of
them all. I see him as a future professional quarterback. He's inheriting
athletic ability from me, and his personality (even now, as young as he is)
screams quarterback. Note I don't even like football, and never watch it.
I just have a feeling my son will be great at it though.
OH! And after months of trying to find the first baby-sitter for him, what
finally worked was letting him find HIS OWN baby-sitter. I made up a sign
that was pretty cute. I pretended to be him and wrote as if he was writing
an ad looking for a baby-sitter. I included a picture of him just a few
months old at the time and hung it up at a supermarket near a local high
school. HE got a phone call within hours, from a young lady who fell in
love with his picture. Since then, he's won some "cute baby" contests.
I don't think he's what most people would refer to as a "brat". But he's
not perfect. While he's very well-behaved most of the time, he is after all
a 2-year-old. And sometimes, they just are having a bad day. No other way
to describe it. It's just a bad day. -Dave
Nate Nagel
> In article <h7sef...@news1.newsguy.com>,
> uses. The kid also will eventually be paying plenty of taxes when he
> gets older, and you probably played the role of a "squalling brat" too
> when you were that kid's age.
I can tell you that I didn't - at least not for long. My parents
wouldn't let me get away with that shit.
Kids that are let carry on in public likely grow up to be just as
self-important and obnoxious as adults too.
Dave
> I can tell you that I didn't - at least not for long. My parents wouldn't
> let me get away with that shit.
>
Check it out. Nate was a perfect child with perfect parents. The first in
recorded history. -Dave
Nate Nagel
I never said I was perfect, just that I was raised right. If I was
acting up in public, I had a choice - knock it the hell off, or be
removed from public. Once upon a time, that was expected, people didn't
make excuses for poor behavior. One also had a reasonable expectation
that one would not be subjected to more than a few seconds of
kid-screaming at any given time, due to the above. Anymore, if I hear a
kid starting to wail in public, I just KNOW that it's going to go on for
the indefinite future, because the parents ain't gonna do crap about it.
Heck, some less PC parents actually used to spank their kids when they
acted up.
Hiccum Blurpaedius
> SilentOtto wrote:
> > On Sep 3, 8:56 pm, Nate Nagel <njna...@roosters.net> wrote:
> >> .... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!! . wrote:
>
> >>>news:o_r_fairbairn-6EC...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net...
> >>>> In article <33k5ko.r7r.1...@news.alt.net>,
> >>>> <.... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!! .>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>news:o_r_fairbairn-FF2...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net...
> >>>>>> In article <Xns9C7AD0602733Ariemann1850yahoo...@216.168.3.70>,
> >>>>>> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>http://news.aol.com/article/stranger-slapped-screaming-child-in/653392?
> >>>>>>> icid=main
> >>>>>>> Stranger Slapped Crying Child, Police Say
> >>>>>>> AP
> >>>>>>> posted: 2 HOURS 44 MINUTES AGO
> >>>>>>> STONE MOUNTAIN, Ga. (Sept. 2) - Police say a 61-year-old man annoyed
> >>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>> crying 2-year-old girl at a suburban Atlanta Walmart slapped the child
> >>>>>>> several times after warning the toddler's mother to keep her quiet.
> >>>>>>> A police report says after the stranger hit the girl at least four
> >>>>>>> times,
> >>>>>>> he said: "See, I told you I would shut her up."
> >>>>>>> Roger Stephens of Stone Mountain is charged with felony cruelty to
> >>>>>>> children.
> >>>>>>> Authorities say the girl and her mother were shopping Monday when the
> >>>>>>> toddler began crying. The police report says Stephens approached the
> >>>>>>> mother
> >>>>>>> and said, "If you don't shut that baby up, I will shut her up for
> >>>>>>> you."
> >>>>>>> Authorities say Stephens then grabbed the 2-year-old and slapped her.
> >>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>> child began screaming and Stephens was arrested. Police say an
> >>>>>>> examination
> >>>>>>> showed the girl's face was slightly red.
> >>>>>> I have a far better approach to the problem of squalling infants, which
> >>>>>> I picked up from my wife, who feels similarlt:
> >>>>>> One time I was in line at a big hardware store when an infant started
> >>>>>> acting up. Borrowing her line, I proclaimed, "Shut up, kid, or I'll
> >>>>>> stuff a dirty diaper in your mouth!"
> >>>>> Proving yet again what a total fuckwit you are.
> >>>> Oh? It worked! What would YOU have done?
> >>> Nothing. A kid crying is part of life, you idiot. By the same logic are you
> >>> gonna blow up a bus because its breaks squealed too loud.
> >>> Again, back to the point........you're a grade A moron.
> >>> btw, if someone said to my kid what you *claim you said* (see I'm never
> >>> going to believe a coward like you would have the nuts to say anything like
> >>> that, even to an infant), then there'd be blood and teeth everywhere. And
> >>> all of it yours.
> >> If your kid is raising a ruckus in a public place, and someone says
> >> something nasty to you about it, YOU DESERVE IT. KEEP YOUR GODDAMNED
> >> BRATS UNDER CONTROL.
>
> >> Of course I realize that your "threat" is empty and hollow, because
> >> undoubtedly you're a huge vagina in real life, but even so - just try
> >> it, tough guy. Oh, and KEEP YOUR GODDAMNED BRATS UNDER CONTROL. Once
> >> upon a time, it used to be considered rude to let a kid yell in public
> >> for more than about, oh, three seconds before yanking him/her out of
> >> wherever you were and out to the car or whatever (usually for
> >> disciplinary measures for being an embarassing little shit.) I miss
> >> those days.
>
> >> nate
>
> >> (who had to eat fast food for lunch the other day, and had to deal with
> >> not one, but two squalling kids - and not infants, either, they were
> >> like 2 or 3 years old - simultaneously. I don't blame the kids, but the
> >> parents should be shot. These kids literally screamed at the top of
> >> their lungs for minutes on end and everyone acted like it was perfectly
> >> normal. Now I remember why I do my shopping at odd hours.)
>
> > Jesus fucking Christ...
>
> > What planet are you rightards from?
>
> > It IS PERFECTLY NORMAL for 2 and 3 year old children to throw
> > tantrums.
>
> No, it's not. It'll happen occassionally, sure, but if it's happening
> all the time, in public, it's a sign of bad parenting. And when it does
> happen, the parents should take the kids and immediately leave. That's
> the considerate thing to do for all around, plus it reinforces correct
> behavior (e.g. "if you throw a tantrum in public, you don't get to be in
> public anymore.")
Fucking capitalist piece of shit.
You do not like life liberty and the pursuit of happiness take your
goddamned crucifix and go back to Israel.
Exterminate the Department of Edumacation
Hiccum Blurpaedius
>
> Sure.
>
> So what?
>
> Adults deal with petty annoyance and move on without needing to get in
> someone's face or slap a baby.
>
> Rightards...
>
> Fucking worthless.
Apparently the drug corporations are now forcing drugs down peoples
throats to justify the inadequate justice system
Exterminate the Red Crucifix
necromancer
wrote:
>We're talking about waiting in a line at a store. If the situation is so
>stressful, those who are stressed can simply leave or wait five minutes
>or so to pay for their items and be on their way. Really, I don't see
>what the BFD is.
Well, you know who the originating poster of this thread is, don't
you? :)
--
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS admits to
being a toll cheat and running the toll booths
(Gramatical errors and hissy fit left intact):
"Now that is really stupid. Tolls are nothing but
taxes meaninglegalized stealing. You govt shills
are pathetic."
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necromancer
wrote:
>
>The ill-bred trailer trash that patronize Wal-Mart and drag along their
>screaming crotchfruit is one of many reasons that I prefer not to
>patronize that store unless absolutely necessary.
Um, Nate, you are aware I hope, that in the strictest definition of
the word (as I interpret your usage of it), that *all* of us are,
"crotchfruit."
--
Silly S&DDAM admits to using its car to work out an inferiority complex
(spelling and gramatical errors left as is):
"This little 140 pound wimp gets pushed around everywhere he goes but when
he gets in his grand am all of a sudden HE'S gonna do the pushing.
Pathetic. Lock him up forever "
--Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers, 3/26/08
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The Real Bev
> russ...@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) wrote:
>> Dave <now...@nohow2.not> wrote:
>> >> (attribution lost)
>> >>
>> >> Even if you're standing in line? I think embarrassing the kid's mother
>> >> enough that SHE'LL walk away is more appropriate.
>> >
>> >Ummmmmm.... NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> >Shit, talk about kicking a woman when she's down. Having your 2-year-old
>> >child act up in public is a terrible situation to be in, INCREDIBLY
>> >stressful. Simply put, if you (as an unrelated member of the public who
>> >happens to be near at the time) can't help, do nothing. If you deliberately
>> >try to make the situation worse for the mother (or the parent), you are the
>> >one who should be dragged out of the area. I'm dead serious on that. The
>> >thought that anybody would deliberately intervene to make the situation
>> >worse for the parent infuriates me. -Dave
>>
>> You're not getting it. The kid is causing stress to everyone around
>> him. That includes the "unrelated members of the public". The parent
>> is _responsible_ for all this stress. It is therefore perfectly
>> reasonable for these unrelated members of the public to put pressure
>> on the parent to take care of the situation. If that results in more
>> stress on the parent, tough shit; you should have known the job was
>> tough when you took it on.
>
> We're talking about waiting in a line at a store. If the situation is so
> stressful, those who are stressed can simply leave or wait five minutes
> or so to pay for their items and be on their way. Really, I don't see
> what the BFD is.
You clearly do not value your own time. Just how many times do you move to the
back of a 15-minute line before you rip the kid's head off? What if you
desperately have to pee? What if you're late for work? What if your own QUIET
kid desperately has to pee?
> Its not like we're talking about a situation where a baby is crying in a
> theater, a concert hall, sports arena, or a restaurant, where the other
> customers nearby would be significantly inconvenienced by a crying baby
> and can't simply leave the area, but in a line at a store, NBD, just
> move to a faster line,
Yeah, like there is one! Just how far away can you get from a screaming child
before you can no longer hear him? 100 feet? 200 feet?
> wait in the current line, or just go to another
> area of the store to shop for a few minutes until the parent with the
> noisy baby is gone.
Again, you're assuming that our time is worth nothing. Maybe yours is, but
mine isn't.
Another example of JLEDI? When someone has broken the ordinary rules of polite
society (don't annoy people unless it's ABSOLUTELY necessary, and try to
mitigate the annoyance to the best of your ability), such persons should be
shunned, not allowed to impose upon others with impunity. I don't think asking
the woman if she can stop inflicting her kid's bratty behavior on the people
who are forced to observe it is all that evil.
The more I think about it, the more sympathy I have for the guy who slapped the
kid. He should have slapped the mother instead, but hindsight is always 20/20.
--
Cheers, Bev
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It only takes 2 men to tile a bathroom
if you slice them thinly enough.
The Real Bev
Modern version:
Mother: "No, honey, we don't want to buy that candy bar for you because it will
rot your teeth and make you fat and contribute to global warming and make Baby
Jesus cry. PLEEEEEEASE stop crying and Mommy will buy you that nice Hot Wheels
car you saw last week..."
2-Year-Old: "SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEAM!"
Nate Nagel
> On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 21:22:31 -0400, Nate Nagel <njn...@roosters.net>
> wrote:
>
>> The ill-bred trailer trash that patronize Wal-Mart and drag along their
>> screaming crotchfruit is one of many reasons that I prefer not to
>> patronize that store unless absolutely necessary.
>
> Um, Nate, you are aware I hope, that in the strictest definition of
> the word (as I interpret your usage of it), that *all* of us are,
> "crotchfruit."
Sure. And I also realize that some perfectly nice and mannerly people
happen to live in dwellings with wheels, and also some really obnoxious
people live in detached houses. But sometimes a little glossing over
stuff still gets the point across more succinctly.
Orval Fairbairn
"Dave" <now...@nohow2.not> wrote:
Then, good for you! It is great to see well-behaved children. The worst
I ever saw was at the Athens (Greece) airport, in 1980, while awaiting a
flight to Frankfort. There was a girl, about 5 years old, howling her
guts out, for no apparent good reason. Nobody could get her to shut up!
Fortunately, she boarded another flight, so we did not have to have her
tantrum inflicted on us during our flight. Had I been the gate agent, I
would have denied her boarding and informed the captain.