Sleeping in a Pathfinder?
Blair
I'm thinking of moving from a light pickup to the SUV, but I car camp
often for the outdoor "Sports" I do and I really don't think the "Utility
Vehicle" will work without modifications.
I'm 5'7", wife is 5'2". With the seats down, diagonally *may*
work. Anyone comfortably camp in a Pathfinder/4Runner?
Seat bottom removal? 8" air mattress? Platform?
Thanks for any ideas.
Blair Hanna
Fort Collins, CO
Happy Hunter
"Blair" <han...@spot.colorado.edu> wrote in message
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problem is solved. I would never try to sleep in my Pathfinder...I can't
even stand to ride in it. It's like a sardine can.
HH
BurgPath
story. I just took the 2 rear seat bottoms out, took less than 5 minutes, so
I could slide the mattress further forward.
With a decent air mattress and a good thick sleeping bag the Pathy is
perfectly comfortable.
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Raffi Balmanoukian
down....worst 4x4 I ever owned overall (worst dollar for dollar was a Land
Rover discovery)
in article XOSL8.153362$Oa1.14...@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com, BurgPath
at call...@yahoo.com wrote on 6/6/02 9:07 PM:
kerouac
Out of curiosity, which are the best 4X4's you've ever owned?
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Jerry Bransford
is "offroading" and saw what vehicles were successful and able to keep
up with the group, you wouldn't even be asking. Nissan Pathfinders
aren't a vehicle I can say I've ever seen on anything but a simple dirt
road. Get back into where 4x4 is truly needed and such vehicles are
nowhere to be found. No kidding, no exaggeration.
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Rob Munach
Most modern SUV's are nowhere to be found in those situations - BFD. The
guy is going CAR Camping. He didn't ask if his Pathfinder can do the
Rubicon Trail. In any other situation than extreme off-roading, a Nissan
spanks the relaiability of your Jeeps and most other vehicles.
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Blair
the seat removal approach. Such a straightforward modification.
Now the next step would be to find a quick release system for the
seat bottom bolt. I guess those designers never needed a nice
quick setup to crash in rest areas.
Thanks!
Ron
> Folks-
>
> I'm thinking of moving from a light pickup to the SUV, but I car camp
> often for the outdoor "Sports" I do and I really don't think the "Utility
> Vehicle" will work without modifications.
>
> I'm 5'7", wife is 5'2". With the seats down, diagonally *may*
> work. Anyone comfortably camp in a Pathfinder/4Runner?
>
For many years I solo camped that way in my Jeep Cherokee. Remove the
rear seat cushion (leave it at home), fold down the rear seat,
rearrange gear into the front seats and use air mattress diagonally in
the rear.
Best test would be to take your camping gear to the dealer for an
extended examination and try-out.
I have also camped with my wife under similar conditions. I'm 5'9"
she's 5'2".
(But she's not well enough to camp very often)More stuff had to be
outside.
Ron
(also in Ft. C.)
q
Solid as a rock, comfy, smooth. I would never off-road it beyond a smooth
dirt trail.
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Julian
sleep inside the vehicle and when folded down they are very light and only
about 5 inches high so they don't affect fuel consumption much. They take
about 1 minute to erect.
Have a look at:
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman/LR/D130Tent.htm
This is assuming the Pathfinder (we don't get them here) has suitable
fixings for one. The vehicle shown is a 130 inch wheelbase Land Rover which
is ideal for overlanding, but the are just as easy to fit to 150, 110 or 90
inch wheelbases so there should be one to suit a Pathfinder whatever size
they are.
Julian.
Jerry Bransford
Nissan
> spanks the relaiability of your Jeeps and most other vehicles.
Sorry but I disagree with Nissan's reliability being better. In the
past four Jeeps I have owned, I have had one minor leaky radiator and
one cracked exhaust manifold. If you add up all the mileage, it comes
to just under 400K miles with 108,000 miles on my current highly abused
Wrangler alone. I don't own a Nissan but hunted with five guys that
did. One by one, they all switched over to other brands after multiple
suspension problems like things bending. I'm not exaggerating one bit
there to make my point, that's an honest-to-God point where none of
those friends would say good things about Nissan reliability.
The Nissan would be fine in the dirt road situation being asked about. I
was responding to the comment that the Nissan was rated highly by CU in
response to someone else who was complaining about their Nissan's high
break-down rate... which co-incides with my experience with five of
them. And CU seems to be more concerned with a vehicle's safety and
smooth ride than the qualities I look for in an offroad-worthy 4x4.
Jerry
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Raffi Balmanoukian
bri...@flash.net wrote on 6/6/02 10:15 PM:
> Funny, it rates pretty high in "Consumer Reports"......
>
> Out of curiosity, which are the best 4X4's you've ever owned?
>
>
No question. Landcruiser diesels.
Chris Forbes
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J5
pretty slick. Set's up in under a minute. And if you switch to a cherokee
from your nissan (I have a pathfinder sitting in the garage so I can
comment) that ticking from the broken exhaust headers won't keep you up at
night in your new sleeping quarters. And besides solid front axles can
always get your more stuck (farther out into nowhere).
j5
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Julian
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> In article <3D013F20...@cox.net>, jer...@cox.net says...
> now they are putting rice rocket car engines in their "trucks". I
> always wanted to see what water ingress would do to a turbo anyway.
> --
Most off-roaders outside the US have been turbo-diesel for the last 20 years
and I've never heard of a turbo being damaged by water ingress including
many years of turbo diesel Discoverys on the Camel Trophy. The two (yes 2 -
look carefully!) TDi Discoverys in this picture were undamaged (even the
turbos) by the little puddle they'd been driven into.
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/craig.chambers/discovery.htm
Think I'll stick to my V8's though. . . . . . ;-)
Julian.
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> In article <3D013F20...@cox.net>, jer...@cox.net says...
> Nissan may be a Japanese manufacturer, but it ain't exactly Honda. And
> now they are putting rice rocket car engines in their "trucks". I
> always wanted to see what water ingress would do to a turbo anyway.
> --
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Chris Forbes
easy I know MANY people with well over 400,000 kilometers and 500,000
kilometers and still going with darn near all original parts.
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> In article <aBmM8.4798$f52.6...@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
> neb...@nb.sympatico.ca says...
> > Jeep
> >
> >
>
> The least reliable German auto.
Raffi Balmanoukian
wrote on 6/8/02 8:54 AM:
Goes to show if we all had the same taste we wouldn't need assorted
biscuits...the Pathfinder was the worst 4x4 I've ever owned overall; the
Discovery (V8 petrol) was the worst for the price-value ratio. That said, I
drove Defender 110s in the Falklands and saw them out bush throughout the
worst Australia had to offer and in neither case did I encounter any
insurmountable dramas.
Anthony Kimmell
>easy I know MANY people with well over 400,000 kilometers and 500,000
>kilometers and still going with darn near all original parts.
What's your point? I know someone who has 400,000 miles on a Dodge Dakota, but
that doesn't make them reliable...
Tony Kimmell
Normal, IL
Julian
> In article <102353729...@dyke.uk.clara.net>, sp...@spam.com says...
> displacement high RPM turbo gas engine and I'd like to think that any of
> those heavily modified discoverys in the now defunct Camel Trophy
> included a snorkel kit.
> --
Well, speaking as someone who currently has a genuine 1995 Camel Trophy
Discovery parked outside the house as I write, I'd like to point out the
following:
1. Small displacement - the Discovery is 2.5l and revs to over 5000rpm with
a turbo. It uses the same turbo unit as many petrol engined cars.
2. Heavily modified ? - It has a snorkel and a roll cage and some underbody
guards. Stock items - axles, diffs, gearbox, engines, transferbox, body
chassis, just about everything in fact. It has no axle diff-locks, no
suspension lifts no performance upgrades at all. If a roll cage and some
stickers is your idea of heavily modified you need to get out more!
If you want to talk heavily modified look at those pretend jap motors their
manufacturers enter into whatever they are calling the Paris-Dakar this
year. Custom tubular space frames, race-built engines and plastic lookalike
bodies! The point of the Camel was that the vehicles were virtually standard
production items and any accessories like the snorkel had to be a standard
Land Rover optional extra available to any ordinary customer.
Julian
> In article <102356429...@dyke.uk.clara.net>, sp...@spam.com says...
> >
> > Well, speaking as someone who currently has a genuine 1995 Camel Trophy
> > Discovery parked outside the house as I write, I'd like to point out the
> > following:
> >
> > 1. Small displacement - the Discovery is 2.5l and revs to over 5000rpm
with
> > a turbo. It uses the same turbo unit as many petrol engined cars.
> >
>
> about 9-10,000 RPM these days.
>
One would expect a gas V6 to rev higher, but not as a diesel with a turbo.
Which are these 4x4's that rev to 9 or 10,000rpm then? They don't seem to
sell them here.
> > 2. Heavily modified ? - It has a snorkel and a roll cage and some
underbody
>
> That's what I said.
>
That might be heavily modified for a disposable jap motor, but all three are
standard Land Rover options straight out of the brochure. I guess thats the
difference between proper off-roaders and jacked up pick-ups.
> > guards. Stock items - axles, diffs, gearbox, engines, transferbox, body
> > chassis, just about everything in fact. It has no axle diff-locks, no
> > suspension lifts no performance upgrades at all. If a roll cage and some
> > stickers is your idea of heavily modified you need to get out more!
>
> You forgot the tires, winch and rock sliders. If you don't think
> putting a roll cage is one of those thing is heavily modifying it then
> maybe you can come over and change my transmission for $20.
>
Wrong again - must be one of your hobbies. The tyres are standard order
7.00x16 Michelins available on any Discovery, the winch is a factory
brochure option and they don't have rock sliders. I don't call standard
factory options heavy modification.
> > If you want to talk heavily modified look at those pretend jap motors
their
> > manufacturers enter into whatever they are calling the Paris-Dakar this
> > year. Custom tubular space frames, race-built engines and plastic
lookalike
>
> Buddy I think you need to get a clue because you just agreed with me.
>
Your grasp of the English language is somewhat tenuous. I demonstrated the
difference between heavy modification and factory options. That is not
agreeing with you.
> > bodies! The point of the Camel was that the vehicles were virtually
standard
> > production items and any accessories like the snorkel had to be a
standard
> > Land Rover optional extra available to any ordinary customer.
>
> Maybe that's why they can't afford to run it any more.
> --
More strange logic - keeping the vehicles as standard as possible keeps the
cost lower than allowing unlimited modification. I also doubt Camel were
short of money as they are a tobacco company. The trophy has moved away from
off-roading because it has become politically unacceptable to see vehicles
forging through virgin terrain, though clearly not the selling of
cigarettes.
Peter D. Tillman
han...@spot.colorado.edu (Blair) wrote:
> Folks-
>
> I'm thinking of moving from a light pickup to the SUV, but I car camp
> often for the outdoor "Sports" I do and I really don't think the "Utility
> Vehicle" will work without modifications.
>
> I'm 5'7", wife is 5'2". With the seats down, diagonally *may*
> work. Anyone comfortably camp in a Pathfinder/4Runner?
>
> Seat bottom removal? 8" air mattress? Platform?
>
We leave the seat bottoms at home -- 10 min. job to unbolt same.
You do need to stuff gear in the footwell to level it out, &
the floor is never quite flat. But quite comfortable (if snug) with
std foam sleeping pads, & a *lot* easier (& drier!) than setting
up a tent. Plus, no wadding up a wet tent in the AM!
On nice nights, we sleep out on a tarp (NM-AZ). If lots of gear,
tarp goes over same when you pile it outside.
I'm 6'5'", wife is 5'10". 96 Pathfinder, same size as current model.
Nice, comfortable, trouble-free truck.
HTH.
Cheers -- Pete Tillman
Julian
> In article <102357081...@doris.uk.clara.net>, sp...@spam.com
> says...
> > > > bodies! The point of the Camel was that the vehicles were virtually
> > standard
> > > > production items and any accessories like the snorkel had to be a
> > standard
> > > > Land Rover optional extra available to any ordinary customer.
> > >
> > > Maybe that's why they can't afford to run it any more.
> > > --
> > More strange logic - keeping the vehicles as standard as possible keeps
the
> > cost lower than allowing unlimited modification. I also doubt Camel were
> > short of money as they are a tobacco company. The trophy has moved away
from
> > off-roading because it has become politically unacceptable to see
vehicles
> > forging through virgin terrain, though clearly not the selling of
> > cigarettes.
> >
> > Julian.
> >
>
> after Landrover dropped out of it in 1998 due to financial concerns.
> --
Ignorance is clearly your specialist subject. Here's some enlightenment for
you:
1997 - Camel plan to change the trophy from an out and out off-road
challenge to a varied challenge including far less serious off-roading and a
range of other challenges including canoeing, climbing etc.
1998 - New style Camel takes place using Freelanders instead of 'proper'
Land Rovers due to much reduced off-road requirement. Camel trophy fans not
at all pleased with watered down format.
1999 - Land Rover unhappy with 1998 event and complain that the event had
become too lifestyle and not inkeeping with the serious off-road image of
the brand. No Camel Trophy takes place this year due to disagreements.
2000 - Camel Trophy returns in an even more 'lifestyle' mould with such a
weak off-roading element that even Japanese vehicles are able to complete
it - Honda CRV's to be exact. Land Rover however still provide all the
support services with a fleet of Camel 110's to ensure the Honda's don't get
stuck on high kerbs etc.
Stick to what you know.
Julian
>
> > > > forging through virgin terrain, though clearly not the selling of
> > > > cigarettes.
> > > >
> > > > Julian.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ignorance must really be Bliss for you, the Camel Trophy went two
years
> > > after Landrover dropped out of it in 1998 due to financial concerns.
> > > --
> > Ignorance is clearly your specialist subject. Here's some enlightenment
for
> > you:
> >
> > 1997 - Camel plan to change the trophy from an out and out off-road
> > challenge to a varied challenge including far less serious off-roading
and a
> > range of other challenges including canoeing, climbing etc.
> >
> > 1998 - New style Camel takes place using Freelanders instead of 'proper'
> > Land Rovers due to much reduced off-road requirement. Camel trophy fans
not
> > at all pleased with watered down format.
> >
> > 1999 - Land Rover unhappy with 1998 event and complain that the event
had
> > become too lifestyle and not inkeeping with the serious off-road image
of
> > the brand. No Camel Trophy takes place this year due to disagreements.
> >
>
> no financial trouble GOT SOLD in the same timeframe and now are making
> "off-road" vehicles that can only be described as laughable. If you
> care to prove yourself wrong any more on this subject, keep it to your
> self, unless your goal is to let everyone else ont his group know what I
> know, I can't see you from my kill file.
>
Wow - you give up very easily! Maybe you should've just waved a white flag
at the start. Not that you can read this with me being kill-filed! LOL!
Must be a huge kill-file if you put everyone who knows more than you about
something in it!
Hehe.
Julian.
PS - sorry your little re-direct to alt.spam didn't work!
> --
BurgPath
That's pretty quick, even without a quick release bolt of some kind.
I spent 2 nights in my Pathy this weekend. Slept great. If your the only one
in there you can slide up towards the front enough to use the middle arm
rest as a pillow of sorts.
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"Blair" <han...@spot.colorado.edu> wrote in message
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Rob Munach
If you read my post, you would have noted that I excluded extreme
off-roading - which is cleary what your buddies are doing if they are
bending suspension components. I have never bent anything and I do a fair
amount of off roading, but I don't abuse my vehicle. I agree that the 4.O l
jeep engine is tough, it is the rest of their line up that sucks. How about
the Quadradrive reliability or the infamous Chrysler transmissions or
computers.
jpet...@terpmail.umd.edu
steve.de...@gmail.com
> Folks-
> I'm thinking of moving from a light pickup to the SUV, but I car camp
> often for the outdoor "Sports" I do and I really don't think the "Utility
> Vehicle" will work without modifications.
> I'm 5'7", wife is 5'2". With the seats down, diagonally *may*
> work. Anyone comfortably camp in a Pathfinder/4Runner?
> Seat bottom removal? 8" air mattress? Platform?