SUV's......getting out of hand
Muskie
I am a 4x4 owner. An owner of a pickup truck.
Over these last few weeks, I have noticed a disturbing trend
in how many SUV's are on the road, and how MOST(not all) of the
drivers of these vehicles seem to be confusing their SUV's with a sports
car.
Example 1.
Jimmy "Road-Rage"Ledfoote.
This is the fella you always see swerving in and out of traffic,
cutting cars off by inches, and tailgating as if he were trying
to get a Pepsi off their bumper.
Jimmy is always beat-red and pissed of. He clutches the steering
wheel like a distraut ship captain in heavy seas.
For some reason, he believes his Ford Expedition is a Mazda Miata.
Example # 2.
Jane"no-see-um"Malleta
Jane is the woman you see driving the Full size SUV with the seat
pushed up centimeters from the steering wheel. Her little head and big
hair peak up over the dash just oh-so slightly, enough for her to
see airplanes and distinct cloud formations.
Jane will drive down the left lane at 45, and when you get in
the middle or right lane to pass, the lumbering beast she is
driving will SLOWLY veer into your lane. You honk your horn as
she almost takes out your front end, but she can't hear because
the heater and air vents are blasting directly at her head level.
Jane parks her SUV on narrow streets with it's rear end hanging
10 feet out into the street because she can't see to properly parallel
park.
When dropping kids off at the soccer and little league fields,
she leaves the 10 foot long doors wide open so they provide an
interesting obstacle course for other drivers.
The above are just two generic examples. I have a couple of questions:
Why is it that when there is a narrow street, and a full size SUV is
coming the other way, the driver will not make any room whatsoever
on his side for a safe passage?
Why do people who live in the city need a Dodge Ram v-10 extended cab?
Final Comments:
I have owned 4x4's for the past few years. I primarily use them
for hunting, fishing, and getting to wilderness areas. They have been
helpful in getting large amounts of gear or wood around.
But the world is a different place these days. The wilderness
areas in Colorado and Michigans U.P. can be EASILY reached by car.
The Boundary waters wilderness entry points can be reached with a
car. Most national forests have paved roads allowing interior access.
The SUV was originally designed for these tasks. It's use is no
longer needed.(for me)
After driving this countries roadways the past week I realized I need
something FAST to get away from all the reckless SUV drivers.
Yes, something with some zip to seperate myself from the pack of
road-rage-ravaged-wanna-be-sport-car-drivin-suv'ers.
A mustang sounds good.......yeah...a Mustang sounds really good.
So, my ravaged 4x4 will be put into storage for those days
when I will need it to access the .1% of wilderness areas that
don't have some sort of paved access.
------Muskie
Steve Winters
Hey Mike,
Glad to see you're still out there.
Muskie wrote:
>
> I am a 4x4 owner. An owner of a pickup truck.
Me, too.
>
> Over these last few weeks, I have noticed a disturbing trend
> in how many SUV's are on the road, and how MOST(not all) of the
> drivers of these vehicles seem to be confusing their SUV's with a sports
> car.
>
> Example 1.
> Jimmy "Road-Rage"Ledfoote.
>
> This is the fella you always see swerving in and out of traffic,
> cutting cars off by inches, and tailgating as if he were trying
> to get a Pepsi off their bumper.
Things are very different where I live. The folks driving like you
describe are usually piloting lowered Hondas with those silly wheels
sticking 2 inches out of the wheel wells. Drivers of pickups, SUV's,
and minivans are usually the most considerate on the road.
>
> Jimmy is always beat-red and pissed of. He clutches the steering
> wheel like a distraut ship captain in heavy seas.
Yesterday I saw a Acura NSX almost sideswipe a Toyota flat bed paint
truck while illegaly passing the truck on a freeway on-ramp.
>
> For some reason, he believes his Ford Expedition is a Mazda Miata.
>
> Example # 2.
> Jane"no-see-um"Malleta
>
> Jane is the woman you see driving the Full size SUV with the seat
> pushed up centimeters from the steering wheel. Her little head and big
> hair peak up over the dash just oh-so slightly, enough for her to
> see airplanes and distinct cloud formations.
Jane drives an El Dorado or Continental or maybe a Lexus around here.
> Jane will drive down the left lane at 45, and when you get in
> the middle or right lane to pass, the lumbering beast she is
> driving will SLOWLY veer into your lane. You honk your horn as
> she almost takes out your front end, but she can't hear because
> the heater and air vents are blasting directly at her head level.
>
> Jane parks her SUV on narrow streets with it's rear end hanging
> 10 feet out into the street because she can't see to properly parallel
> park.
I don't believe I've ever seen this type of behavior at any grocery
store or mall parking lot. On very narrow streets, drivers of large
vehicles pull over in the first available wide spot to allow others to
pass. Don't want any scratches on that Suburban.
>
> When dropping kids off at the soccer and little league fields,
> she leaves the 10 foot long doors wide open so they provide an
> interesting obstacle course for other drivers.
>
> The above are just two generic examples. I have a couple of questions:
>
> Why is it that when there is a narrow street, and a full size SUV is
> coming the other way, the driver will not make any room whatsoever
> on his side for a safe passage?
>
> Why do people who live in the city need a Dodge Ram v-10 extended cab?
Most Ram V-10's or Cummins equipped trucks I've seen have 5th wheel
hitches in the bed.
>
>
> Final Comments:
>
> I have owned 4x4's for the past few years. I primarily use them
> for hunting, fishing, and getting to wilderness areas. They have been
> helpful in getting large amounts of gear or wood around.
>
> But the world is a different place these days. The wilderness
> areas in Colorado and Michigans U.P. can be EASILY reached by car.
> The Boundary waters wilderness entry points can be reached with a
> car. Most national forests have paved roads allowing interior access.
>
> The SUV was originally designed for these tasks. It's use is no
> longer needed.(for me)
>
> After driving this countries roadways the past week I realized I need
> something FAST to get away from all the reckless SUV drivers.
>
> Yes, something with some zip to seperate myself from the pack of
> road-rage-ravaged-wanna-be-sport-car-drivin-suv'ers.
>
> A mustang sounds good.......yeah...a Mustang sounds really good.
Mike, get a Camaro SS or TransAm Ram Air. Better looking (IMHO) and
faster.
>
>
> So, my ravaged 4x4 will be put into storage for those days
> when I will need it to access the .1% of wilderness areas that
> don't have some sort of paved access.
>
> ------Muskie
>
>
>
That's why I have a car and a truck. The wife likes to be able to go
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GO SUV
In article <34f52...@news9.kcdata.com>, mi...@mail.ntsource.com (Muskie) writes:
Hey, I think Muskie had it. He is making a lot of sense.
> I am a 4x4 owner. An owner of a pickup truck.
Me too. But it is not a pickup truck nor a SUV. It is a sedan.
> Example 1.
> Jimmy "Road-Rage"Ledfoote.
[snip]
> For some reason, he believes his Ford Expedition is a Mazda Miata.
In this part of the world, Ford Expedition owners think that they drive
snowmobiles.
> Example # 2.
> Jane"no-see-um"Malleta
ROTFLMAO!
> After driving this countries roadways the past week I realized I need
> something FAST to get away from all the reckless SUV drivers.
Yep, I think after a chip upgrade my car will have 200hp+ to be a real
SUV killer. In the dry, in the wet, in the snow. Go SUVs go!
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The origin of this thread was cross-posted to the 4X4, Chrysler, Explorer and
Mustang newsgroups, which may indicate that a troll is seeking to start a
flamewar. Be that as it may, I respond from the Mustang newsgroup:
In article <34f52...@news9.kcdata.com>, mi...@mail.ntsource.com (Muskie)
writes:
>So, my ravaged 4x4 will be put into storage for those days when I will need
>it to access the .1% of wilderness areas that don't have some sort of paved
>access.
Yo, Muskie... You can't seriously believe that the current SUV craze has
ANYTHING to do with offroad travel. These beasts are NOT built to leave the
asphalt. Who would take a $50,000 Navigator through mud, for god's sake?
Heck, they don't even want to get them DIRTY! And the Lexus SUV is a luxury,
mobile living room, not a backwoods workhorse.
It's all about power, my friend. If, on the highway, I'm bigger than you, and
can see over you, then I have the power.
Of course, the Mustang does come with an interesting option: "escape
velocity".
dwight
nos...@cp.duluth.mn.us
One person wants a Porsche, the other wants a nice truck. Nobody's business
but their own.
The only person with the right to tell me what I can and can't drive is the
man/woman who cashes checks at my bank. Who says you have to "need" it?
Ryan T. Eberly
Here here! I'm sick to death of these faggot-ass posers driving vehicles
WAY too big for their driving skill (which is miniscule and goes without
sayint). The SUV has become a status symbol that just happens to raping
Mother Earth and pissing off everyone else. What does that Ford Expedition
get in gas mileage? Is it 13 mpg??!?! I could only get 13 mpg if I
redlined EVERY SINGLE GEAR. Fuck these boomers, fuck these yuppies... and
fuck everyone now that I think of it.
Muskie wrote in message <34f52...@news9.kcdata.com>...
>
> I am a 4x4 owner. An owner of a pickup truck.
>
> Over these last few weeks, I have noticed a disturbing trend
> in how many SUV's are on the road, and how MOST(not all) of the
>drivers of these vehicles seem to be confusing their SUV's with a sports
>car.
>
> Example 1.
> Jimmy "Road-Rage"Ledfoote.
>
David Lyons
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> Muskie wrote:
[SNIP]
Here you go, Mr. Dyke. This fucksponge trolls the automotive newsgroups
periodically with some anti-American or environmental wacko bullshit.
You've got a big audience this time (5 newsgroups). Make it count, sir.
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Mike Korzeniowski
>redlined EVERY SINGLE GEAR. Fuck these boomers, fuck these yuppies... and
>fuck everyone now that I think of it.
Hmm, junior high must have let out early today....
Mike
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BKL,
That's a pretty strong claim. I suppose you have some data to back that
up.
> Most Suburban drivers just back out without looking. My wife's Audi got
> whacked that way (it was parked legally).
Later,
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Mike Korzeniowski wrote:
>
> In article <6d4kui$1...@nntp1.erinet.com>, "Ryan T. Eberly" <reb...@erinet.com> wrote:
>
> >f*** everyone now that I think of it.
>
> Hmm, junior high must have let out early today....
You've got that right! Such intelligence LOL!
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Mike Korzeniowski wrote in message <6d4onb$1av$2...@news.iquest.net>...
>In article <6d4kui$1...@nntp1.erinet.com>, "Ryan T. Eberly"
<reb...@erinet.com> wrote:
>
>>redlined EVERY SINGLE GEAR. Fuck these boomers, fuck these yuppies... and
>>fuck everyone now that I think of it.
>
>Hmm, junior high must have let out early today....
>
James W. Ash
have to admit that i just got my expedition yesterday, and love it.
what you say below does have some merit, sorry to say to the folks upset
at you. i'm a responsible driver and still learning where the wheels
are on the truck. i plan on using it for all the activities i already
do, snowboarding in tahoe, scuba in monterrey, biking, camping in
yosemite, etc.
i think i'm the correct target audience for this mamouth of a truck
though. not to mention, my 2 golden retrievers are not allowed in my
benz and don't fit in the volvo sedan my wife drives. i agree with you
that they are status symbols now for people who consider outdoor
activities barbequeing on the 4th, and didn't have the sense to buy a
minivan.
i'll take your message to heart as i learn to pass, brake and
accellerate this monster 5.4 liter v8.
take care.
ps i just found the best rack for our trucks in the world. sports rack
in san carlos, ca.(650.591.9200) they modified an aftermarket kit
called the bauer, which plugs into any tow package. i got the
ski/board/bike model, which swings out of the way, locks down etc.
it's sweet.
pps i can't wait to see mike's face as i pass him with ski's/board's and
bike's all on the back of my expedition. :)
Muskie wrote:
>
> I am a 4x4 owner. An owner of a pickup truck.
>
> Over these last few weeks, I have noticed a disturbing trend
> in how many SUV's are on the road, and how MOST(not all) of the
> drivers of these vehicles seem to be confusing their SUV's with a sports
> car.
>
> Example 1.
> Jimmy "Road-Rage"Ledfoote.
>
> This is the fella you always see swerving in and out of traffic,
> cutting cars off by inches, and tailgating as if he were trying
> to get a Pepsi off their bumper.
>
> Jimmy is always beat-red and pissed of. He clutches the steering
> wheel like a distraut ship captain in heavy seas.
>
> For some reason, he believes his Ford Expedition is a Mazda Miata.
>
> Example # 2.
> Jane"no-see-um"Malleta
>
> Jane is the woman you see driving the Full size SUV with the seat
> pushed up centimeters from the steering wheel. Her little head and big
> hair peak up over the dash just oh-so slightly, enough for her to
> see airplanes and distinct cloud formations.
> Jane will drive down the left lane at 45, and when you get in
> the middle or right lane to pass, the lumbering beast she is
> driving will SLOWLY veer into your lane. You honk your horn as
> she almost takes out your front end, but she can't hear because
> the heater and air vents are blasting directly at her head level.
>
> Jane parks her SUV on narrow streets with it's rear end hanging
> 10 feet out into the street because she can't see to properly parallel
> park.
>
> When dropping kids off at the soccer and little league fields,
> she leaves the 10 foot long doors wide open so they provide an
> interesting obstacle course for other drivers.
>
> The above are just two generic examples. I have a couple of questions:
>
> Why is it that when there is a narrow street, and a full size SUV is
> coming the other way, the driver will not make any room whatsoever
> on his side for a safe passage?
>
> Why do people who live in the city need a Dodge Ram v-10 extended cab?
>
>
> Final Comments:
>
> I have owned 4x4's for the past few years. I primarily use them
> for hunting, fishing, and getting to wilderness areas. They have been
> helpful in getting large amounts of gear or wood around.
>
> But the world is a different place these days. The wilderness
> areas in Colorado and Michigans U.P. can be EASILY reached by car.
> The Boundary waters wilderness entry points can be reached with a
> car. Most national forests have paved roads allowing interior access.
>
> The SUV was originally designed for these tasks. It's use is no
> longer needed.(for me)
>
> After driving this countries roadways the past week I realized I need
> something FAST to get away from all the reckless SUV drivers.
>
> Yes, something with some zip to seperate myself from the pack of
> road-rage-ravaged-wanna-be-sport-car-drivin-suv'ers.
>
> A mustang sounds good.......yeah...a Mustang sounds really good.
>
>
> So, my ravaged 4x4 will be put into storage for those days
> when I will need it to access the .1% of wilderness areas that
> don't have some sort of paved access.
>
> ------Muskie
>
>
>
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So what you are saying is that SUV drivers are the problem on the roads. I
have to tell you that bad drivers have been around a lot longer than SUV's
have. The problem here isn't the vehicles, it is the drivers. If you take
these people out of their SUVs and put them in cars they will be just as bad
drivers.
And your solution is no better. You want to get a Mustang so you can drive
faster, zip in and out of traffic and be a worse driver than the people you
are criticizing. And as far as practicality is concerned, a sports car,
like the Mustang, is far worse than an SUV. Poor mileage, too much power
and no protection.
So lets focus on the problems of poor driving skills and road rage. The
type of vehicle doesn't matter if it is in the hands of an idiot.
In case you haven't guessed, I have a SUV ( a really big Chevy Blazer ) and
I am a very responsible driver as are the majority of drivers ( SUV, truck
or car ) on the road today.
Finger pointing at one type of vehicle is just plain unintelligent when the
problem on the roads today has nothing to do with vehicles and everything to
do with peoples attitudes. With your gripes and your Mustang solution, you
are part of the problem, not the solution.
BEDLEM
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David Lyons wrote:
> > Muskie wrote:
> [SNIP]
>
> Here you go, Mr. Dyke. This f*cksponge trolls the automotive newsgroups
> periodically with some anti-American or environmental wacko bullsh*t.
> You've got a big audience this time (5 newsgroups). Make it count, sir.
> <--SIR? How dare you respect Muskie?
>
> --
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David Henley
How 'bout those LOWERED 100% tint windows, and 8 feet wide slicks in the rain. Now
there's a distraction to the road. (Sadly I saw this done to a '97 Wrangler). If
you don't want my back bumper to hit my chin DON'T HIT ME IN THE ASS!
Tom Fritz wrote:
> BKL (lang*lo...@teleport.com) wrote:
> <snip>
> : SUV drivers are no more skilled or considerate than drivers of comparable
> : valued cars of comparable age.
>
> Bullshit! On Wednesday I was hit by this asshole (Feb 25, 98) by this
> idot in a car. This fool drove his car right into my Hummers 37" factory tire.
> Then he got out and blammed the crash on me. A few witness's stopped and
> straighten the record out. The guy got pissed off and sped off.
>
> The only thing that happened to my "truck" was the 37" tire was cleaned off by
> his car. His car had about $2K on it. I would love to see hertz rent-o-car
> face when he turns it in!
>
> More small car drivers are assholes, cutting off larger trucks / jeeps /
> 18 wheelers / Hummers.
>
> I have seen many idots driving trucks and jeeps too... but by far, more
> idots in small cars.
>
> <snip>
> : It is important to have vehicle standards in bumper height, visibility, etc.
> : If people want to buy large vehicles, that's fine. There is no need to have
> : passenger vehicles on the road with extreme ground clearances, high window
> : sills, and nonstandard bumper heights.
>
> Sorry, why should I give up my ground clearance because some person
> wants to drive a shoebox on the road. Safty cost money... how safe
> does each person what to be.
>
> If the goverment would like to buy a nice car for me to use... and insurance,
> I would be more then happy to drive it to work. If the goverment does not
> want to buy this car / insurance for me, at no cost to me... then fuck
> them and the small car owners! I will buy any car I want to buy.
>
> As for the window thing... so what? I try to see through other cars
> windows, and it is distorted due to curves. Are you going to suggest
> all cars have flat windows so everyone can see through? Are you going
> to have every car owner remove their tint on the windows?
>
> --tlf
>
> --
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David Henley
Exactly. Or you could INSULT Muskie.
M Dilly
BKL wrote:
>
[speaking on SUV's]
> Except when the cut across the yellow line on curvy roads. Not to mention the
> fact that their mere presence says: "I like the view from up high, it makes me
> safer to be able to see ahead. Never mind that the car drivers behind me
> can't see a damn thing besides my spare tire."
>
> Is it really considerate to drive a vehicle with a bumper that hits the driver
> of a conventional car above its reinforcement members, perhaps on the driver's
> chin?
>
> Most Suburban drivers just back out without looking. My wife's Audi got
> whacked that way (it was parked legally).
>
> incentives. Having different CAFE standards, guzzler taxes, and income tax
> treatments, current policy deters people from buying the cars that are the
> safest for society overall.
>
> It is important to have vehicle standards in bumper height, visibility, etc.
> If people want to buy large vehicles, that's fine. There is no need to have
> passenger vehicles on the road with extreme ground clearances, high window
> sills, and nonstandard bumper heights.
sounds like you have little-big man's syndrome...
how about another perspective... i am a 23 year old woman, i also happen
to be 5'11" and weight approx. 50# more than your average 5'0"
female....since the average woman in America is something like 5'3", and
i don't fit into those specs. at all, should i be outlawed???
granted i'll cause considerably more damage stepping on/running
into/colliding with an average sized woman than another average sized
woman would, but i would hope that most people would never consider
segregating taller people because they're more likely to cause injury in
case of collision-- doesn't seem right to do the same with cars/trucks
either...
wanna place limitations on allowing production of more 'big' people (via
normal reproductive methods) while you're at it-- after all i do eat
more food than your average 5'0" woman, sure that means in your book
that i'm preventing starving children in third world nations from
eating...
car/truck buyers have choice as to the size of the vehicle they
buy--seems simple to me, if you want to be safe buy a larger vehicle and
drive in a safe manner to lessen risk. People who buy tiny vehicles take
the risk of being hit by larger vehicles--it's part of the trade-off,
smaller cars with smaller engines get better gas mileage, but larger
trucks are safer in collisions with other passenger vehicles.
How about OUTLAWING ALL SMALL CARS (for instance any vehicle of less
than 3500#) because people in small cars are in danger???
M Dilly
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In <6d4onb$1av$2...@news.iquest.net>, on 02/26/98
>In article <6d4kui$1...@nntp1.erinet.com>, "Ryan T. Eberly"
><reb...@erinet.com> wrote:
>>redlined EVERY SINGLE GEAR. Fuck these boomers, fuck these yuppies... and
>>fuck everyone now that I think of it.
>Hmm, junior high must have let out early today....
Elementry school, you mean... :)
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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:04:42 -0600, M Dilly <dil...@madisontelco.com>
wrote:
>
>how about another perspective... i am a 23 year old woman, i also happen
>to be 5'11" and weight approx. 50# more than your average 5'0"
>female....since the average woman in America is something like 5'3", and i
>don't fit into those specs. at all, should i be outlawed???
Yes, we're sending over the height police right now. Please don't
resist...
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Jake Schmidt
Tom Fritz wrote in message ...
>BKL (lang*lo...@teleport.com) wrote:
><snip>
>: SUV drivers are no more skilled or considerate than drivers of comparable
>: valued cars of comparable age.
>
>Bullshit! On Wednesday I was hit by this asshole (Feb 25, 98) by this
>idot in a car. This fool drove his car right into my Hummers 37" factory
tire.
>Then he got out and blammed the crash on me. A few witness's stopped and
>straighten the record out. The guy got pissed off and sped off.
So because you were involved in an accident with a vehicle smaller than a
Hummer, it makes SUV drivers more skilled and considerate than drivers of
comparable valued cars of comparable age?
Unfortunately you didn't provide any other information about the accident,
so I can't really form an opinion about whose fault it was.
>The only thing that happened to my "truck" was the 37" tire was cleaned off
by
>his car. His car had about $2K on it. I would love to see hertz
rent-o-car
>face when he turns it in!
>
>More small car drivers are assholes, cutting off larger trucks / jeeps /
>18 wheelers / Hummers.
Care to back this statement up with some hard evidence?
>I have seen many idots driving trucks and jeeps too... but by far, more
>idots in small cars.
You count 'em?
><snip>
>: It is important to have vehicle standards in bumper height, visibility,
etc.
>: If people want to buy large vehicles, that's fine. There is no need to
have
>: passenger vehicles on the road with extreme ground clearances, high
window
>: sills, and nonstandard bumper heights.
>
>Sorry, why should I give up my ground clearance because some person
>wants to drive a shoebox on the road. Safty cost money... how safe
>does each person what to be.
Hello!?! McFly!?! How much does a Hummer go for these days? Pushing $60k,
isn't it? I don't think the waitress working 60 hours a week making minimum
wage should be any less safe because she can't afford a $60k vehicle.
You said that you shouldn't have to give up ground clearance for the other
cars on the road. Why on earth do you need that much ground clearance on a
road? The only place you need much ground clearance, you won't see many cars
anyway.
>If the goverment would like to buy a nice car for me to use... and
insurance,
>I would be more then happy to drive it to work. If the goverment does not
>want to buy this car / insurance for me, at no cost to me... then fuck
>them and the small car owners! I will buy any car I want to buy.
This part doesn't make much sense to me. Why should the government buy you a
car? You're not required to even own a vehicle. You can walk everywhere or
take public transportation for all they care.
>As for the window thing... so what? I try to see through other cars
>windows, and it is distorted due to curves. Are you going to suggest
I don't have any problems seeing out of curved glass.
>all cars have flat windows so everyone can see through? Are you going
>to have every car owner remove their tint on the windows?
Tinted windows are not as hard to see out of as they are to see into.
Jake
Dallas Lowrey
Robert Davis wrote in message <6d555o$d...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
snip
>And your solution is no better. You want to get a Mustang so you can drive
>faster, zip in and out of traffic and be a worse driver than the people you
>are criticizing. And as far as practicality is concerned, a sports car,
>like the Mustang, is far worse than an SUV. Poor mileage, too much power
>and no protection.
I have to interupt.
My Mustang(v8) gets better gas mileage than my Explorer(v6)
You can never have too much power (ever tow anything with your Blazer?)
No protection? Cars have come a long ways in safety - yes, even the Mustang
ABS, Air bags, side-impact beams etc.
>
>So lets focus on the problems of poor driving skills and road rage. The
>type of vehicle doesn't matter if it is in the hands of an idiot.
Here in Chicago they started an anti-road rage campaign last week. An
unmarked
car is cruising all of the expressways tape recording idiots on the road and
shouldn't have any problems getting convictions with the video tape
>
>In case you haven't guessed, I have a SUV ( a really big Chevy Blazer ) and
>I am a very responsible driver as are the majority of drivers ( SUV, truck
>or car ) on the road today.
>
>Finger pointing at one type of vehicle is just plain unintelligent when the
>problem on the roads today has nothing to do with vehicles and everything
to
>do with peoples attitudes. With your gripes and your Mustang solution, you
>are part of the problem, not the solution.
>
> BEDLEM
agreed...
Dallas
TFrog93
Newsgroups: rec.autos.4x4,
rec.autos.driving,
rec.autos.makers.chrysler,
rec.autos.makers.ford.explorer,
rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
Folks, if Muskie's post was a sincere essay on his personal opinion of the rise
of popularity of the SUV (and run-on sentences), then he would not have cross
posted to all of the groups above. He would have restricted it to 4X4 and
Mustang (only because of the mention of Mustangs at the end). This looks more
and more like a deliberate attempt to create a war. Let it go.
dwight
In article <34F61088...@netscape.com>, "James W. Ash" <ja...@netscape.com>
writes:
Joshua Presson (R)
Mike Korzeniowski wrote:
>
> In article <6d4kui$1...@nntp1.erinet.com>, "Ryan T. Eberly" <reb...@erinet.com> wrote:
>
> >redlined EVERY SINGLE GEAR. Fuck these boomers, fuck these yuppies... and
> >fuck everyone now that I think of it.
>
> Hmm, junior high must have let out early today....
>
I wonder if he has ever thought about or been told to seek therapy??
Think he ever experiences "road rage?" NAAAH, not him! LOL!!!
Josh
95 YJ
Lloyd R. Parker
Robert Davis (bed...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
:
: And your solution is no better. You want to get a Mustang so you can drive
: faster, zip in and out of traffic and be a worse driver than the people you
: are criticizing. And as far as practicality is concerned, a sports car,
: like the Mustang, is far worse than an SUV. Poor mileage, too much power
: and no protection.
SUVs have the same overall fatality rate as passenger cars. A Mustang
will get better mileage, and assuming the driver knows what he's doing,
its vastly superior handling and braking will allow it to avoid accidents
the SUV will lumber into.
And in a car, when those bad drivers run into someone else, it would do
as much damage as if they were in an SUV.
ryan
In rec.autos.driving Robert Davis <bed...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> And your solution is no better. You want to get a Mustang so you can drive
> faster, zip in and out of traffic and be a worse driver than the people you
> are criticizing. And as far as practicality is concerned, a sports car,
> like the Mustang, is far worse than an SUV. Poor mileage, too much power
> and no protection.
Generalizations. Boo.
Mileage: My Mustang GT gets 20 mpg. My father's V6 Explorer gets 15 mpg.
Power: I like being able to merge onto the freeway at freeway speeds
coming from an onramp. In my opinion this is much safer than trying to
merge into 65mph traffic when you're doing 45mph.
Protection: Yeah, okay, you got me there. In an Expedition vs. Mustang
collision I would definately be the loser.
ryan
Tom Fritz
David Henley (cybe...@geocities.com) wrote:
: How 'bout those LOWERED 100% tint windows, and 8 feet wide slicks in the rain. Now
: there's a distraction to the road. (Sadly I saw this done to a '97 Wrangler). If
: you don't want my back bumper to hit my chin DON'T HIT ME IN THE ASS!
That was one of my points... BKL said that he can't see through the window of
a SUV because he is too short. Well in TX and most states you can have your
rear window spraypainted black so no one can see in (as long as you have a
drivers & passenger side mirrors). If BKL wants to rag on something, he
should start to rag on that first.
: Tom Fritz wrote:
<snip>
: > As for the window thing... so what? I try to see through other cars
: > windows, and it is distorted due to curves. Are you going to suggest
: > all cars have flat windows so everyone can see through? Are you going
: > to have every car owner remove their tint on the windows?
: >
: > --tlf
Sriram Narayan
Robert Davis (bed...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: So what you are saying is that SUV drivers are the problem on the roads. I
: have to tell you that bad drivers have been around a lot longer than SUV's
: these people out of their SUVs and put them in cars they will be just as bad
: drivers.
: And your solution is no better. You want to get a Mustang so you can drive
: faster, zip in and out of traffic and be a worse driver than the people you
: are criticizing. And as far as practicality is concerned, a sports car,
: like the Mustang, is far worse than an SUV. Poor mileage, too much power
: and no protection.
Unless the Mustang driver is redlining it in every gear, the Mustang should return
much better mileage. Since you agree drivers have not changed, why should
behaviour patterns change in a purely comute situation? I see SUVs being
driven *like* cars on freeways (same speeds, same lanes, same type of
manoevureing). Which is safer to other drivers, the weaving/tailgating
SUV driver or the sedan driver? As far as practicalilty, I can haul probably
up to 75% of an SUV in terms of volume and up to 500lb in terms of weight
in my car (SAAB 900). In terms of protection, my car is designed to fare well in
collisions with other cars. It is not designed to handle every situation,
such as collisions with 18 wheelers or "out of norm" vehicles such as SUVs
that proliferate freeways/urban roads these days.
: So lets focus on the problems of poor driving skills and road rage. The
: type of vehicle doesn't matter if it is in the hands of an idiot.
: In case you haven't guessed, I have a SUV ( a really big Chevy Blazer ) and
: I am a very responsible driver as are the majority of drivers ( SUV, truck
: or car ) on the road today.
Since bad drivers existed before and after the proliferation of SUVs, how
come they become suddenly more responsible after buying SUVs? Do you think
they think twice before drinking and driving as opposed to when they
drove cars? Do you think became suddenly enlightened and considerate
after SUV ownership? Which do you think is more dangerous - an enraged/impaired
SUV driver or a typical sedan driver?
: Finger pointing at one type of vehicle is just plain unintelligent when the
: problem on the roads today has nothing to do with vehicles and everything to
: do with peoples attitudes. With your gripes and your Mustang solution, you
: are part of the problem, not the solution.
SUV drivers have to make the choice as well if they are using the vehicle
for its role, i.e offroad, towing, utility etc... If not, they are a part
of the problem as well. When SUVs with their different handling, dimensional,
weight characteristics mingle with cars, results in inequities in safety
for the sedan driver. Is the solution that everyone upgrade to SUVs just
because now a significant % of the population has decided this vehicle
meets their needs for say 10% of their usage, so that the safety equation
is unchanged. Who is being inconsiderate here? What about the fact that
you have to sacrifice fuel economy and handling when you migrate to SUVs.
Is good fuel economy and good handling a bad thing? Has not safety of
cars improved in the last 10 yrs even though they have become more
powerful and more fuel eff, as well as being much safer? Which is the
newcomer to the stree, the SUV or the car? Who should adapt to the
safety /fuel economy requirements already in place? (Granted, there were a
few Jeeps and others for a long time, but these were few and far apart
and were not being used as they being today, in their large numbers).
I am looking for an intelligent discussion as well.
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