Hummer H2 in the Snow

[Blake]

I am curious if anyone has tested, driven or played in snow or deep
snow with the new Hummer H2? What are your thoughts on the handling or
"Pushing Through"?

I am looking at a new Hummer H2 for purchase and we get alot of snow
in these parts(normally 2 feet is not uncommon). The vehicle I am
looking at has non-stock tires and wheels on it, 18" Mud-Terain's
which to me seem over-inflated on price by the dealer!

Any thoughts? I know people are going to try and recommend something
different, like, "My CJ-5 will out 4x4 a Hummer anyday" I am not
interested in a debate between which vehicle is better, simply how
does the H2 do in the Snow!

Thanks All!

[Julian]

IIRC the H2 is just a Tahoe with a fancy body, so it will perform like one
of those I would imagine.

As for Mud-terrains they are not very good in the snow - all-terrain types
with a more complex angled treadm pattern and hence more 'biting' edges
perform better in snow.

--
Julian.
----------------
Sigs suck.

[n...@shaw.ca]

in rec.autos.4x4,

"Julian" <spa...@spam.com> wrote:
>As for Mud-terrains they are not very good in the snow - all-terrain types
>with a more complex angled treadm pattern and hence more 'biting' edges
>perform better in snow.

It depends on how much snow you are talking about. I have used both
Bridgestone Duller MT's and BFG AT's in the snow, when dealing with lots
of snow, I would take the paddle snow moving action of the MT's over the
clog the tread and slip on top action of the AT's
At least with the MT's you have a chance of moving enough of the snow out
of the way to find something solid to get traction with.... Think of it as
white mud ;)

[Jason Kavanaugh]

I don't know about that H2. But I saw an H1 in about 10" of snow and
it was impressive to say the least. Just pulled out of the parking
spot and drove off like it was a normal day outside lol

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[Julian]

Jason Kavanaugh wrote:
> I don't know about that H2. But I saw an H1 in about 10" of snow and
> it was impressive to say the least. Just pulled out of the parking
> spot and drove off like it was a normal day outside lol
>
>

10" isn't really that deep - I suspect the massive weight and lack of
performance are a positive boon in deep snow! :)

[DragonRider]

On 23 Jan 2003 13:34:35 -0800, jgkav...@hotmail.com (Jason
Kavanaugh) wrote:

>I don't know about that H2. But I saw an H1 in about 10" of snow and
>it was impressive to say the least. Just pulled out of the parking
>spot and drove off like it was a normal day outside lol

If that is good then my '93 Miata on summer performance tires
(Yokohama AVSi's with their nice tight snow-clogging pattern) must be
the best off-roader in the world. I moved through a foot of snow to
get out onto the road. I might also mention that my car is about 3"
lower than stock and built up a nice wedge as it plowed through. One
might *hope* the hummer is better than that.

[J Oat]

Must be a Miata version of a foot of snow.

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[DragonRider]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:59:05 -0800, "J Oat" <bd1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Must be a Miata version of a foot of snow.

Nah, only had to drive through about 10-12' before I got into the
clear, but it did so from a standing start going slightly up hill.
Not to bad for a light weight RWD roadster. :)

On the other hand I did use my other '93 Miata as a primary ski-car
for a couple years. Never got stuck, never had any problems. Still
love steering with the throttle and drifting snow-covered roads. It's
a blast! :)

[Garrett Butler]

Go for an actual 4 wheel drive vehicle. The new H2's are not Hummers.
They don't have the independant drive shaft for each tire, making it a
true 4 wheel drive vehicle. They have a standard truck drivetrain with
an over the top price tag. Put your money on a better 4x4 that will
cost you a lot less.

-The Butler

[Rob Munach]

How does having an independent drive shaft for each wheel make it a true
4WD? I believe the H2 has a much more sophisticated transfer case than
the suburban does. I think it even has a true center diff.

--
Rob Munach, PE
Excel Engineering
Pittsboro, NC

[Garrett Butler]

The true hummer actually powers each wheel separately. If you break a
driveshaft for one wheel, the other three are still going. I meant it
more as the ultimate 4 wheel drive vehicle, not just a true one.

-The Butler

[CruiserHead]

Not true, the Hummer uses a standard transfer case (much like an NP207 you
would find in any other chevy, just a full time unit with center diff lock).
The hummer has a Torsen Limited Slip (Quafe) in the front and rear
differentials. If you break a CV joint you get the same problems associated
with a Limited Slip and a broken axle.
Hummer's have portal axles, which is pretty cool, as it gets the drive
shafts up higher out of harms way. Otherwise, they are basically Independant
Front Suspension, and Independant Rear Suspension, much like a Ford Escape
or Honda CRV.

I would hardly consider a Hummer the ultimate 4x4. Granted, they are pretty
amazing units, but for the price you pay, you can get an Avalanche
Engineering Sniper, with a better motor, better axles, more interior room,
and BETTER offroadability.

Ever seen a Hummer compete in ARCA?

--
James H.
76 FJ40 'Blood Sucker'
FJ40OMERS900035InchMTR's Non-USADistJimCCarbStock otherwise.
"Who needs a locker when you've got secondaries!"
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[Peter D. Hipson]

On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 01:03:37 -0700, "CruiserHead" <cm...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Not true, the Hummer uses a standard transfer case (much like an NP207 you
>would find in any other chevy, just a full time unit with center diff lock).
>The hummer has a Torsen Limited Slip (Quafe) in the front and rear
>differentials. If you break a CV joint you get the same problems associated
>with a Limited Slip and a broken axle.

No not true, with the inboard brakes it is poossible to lock up the
differential and get a full locker effect.

>Hummer's have portal axles, which is pretty cool, as it gets the drive
>shafts up higher out of harms way. Otherwise, they are basically Independant
>Front Suspension, and Independant Rear Suspension, much like a Ford Escape
>or Honda CRV.

I guess if you think all independant suspensions are the same, then
you think they are the same. Doesn't make it so, but I'm not sure of
your point... What are you trying to say.

>I would hardly consider a Hummer the ultimate 4x4. Granted, they are pretty
>amazing units, but for the price you pay, you can get an Avalanche
>Engineering Sniper, with a better motor, better axles, more interior room,
>and BETTER offroadability.
>
>Ever seen a Hummer compete in ARCA?

Peter D. Hipson
NEHOG (New England Hummer Owners Group)

as email sent to ma...@darkstar.mv.com will
checked monthly.

[David Corbett]

> I would hardly consider a Hummer the ultimate 4x4. Granted, they are
pretty
> amazing units, but for the price you pay, you can get an Avalanche
> Engineering Sniper, with a better motor, better axles, more interior room,
> and BETTER offroadability.

Give us a link or something on this "Avalanche
Engineering Sniper" You got me curious. DOC

[Jason Kavanaugh]

http://www.avalancheengineering.com/sniper1.htm

I see the motor/axles. Don't see the interior room. Plus the fact
that an H1 is street legal and I'm fairly sure a sniper wouldn't be.
But then again I don't know that much about them so I could be wrong.

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[Julian]

Jason Kavanaugh wrote:
> http://www.avalancheengineering.com/sniper1.htm
>
> I see the motor/axles. Don't see the interior room. Plus the fact
> that an H1 is street legal and I'm fairly sure a sniper wouldn't be.
> But then again I don't know that much about them so I could be wrong.
>

Interesting name - wonder if they've sold many in Washington.

[David Corbett]

>
> I would hardly consider a Hummer the ultimate 4x4. Granted, they are
pretty
> amazing units, but for the price you pay, you can get an Avalanche
> Engineering Sniper, with a better motor, better axles, more interior room,
> and BETTER offroadability.
>

This is an example of someone wanting to post a response but really don't
know what they are talking about. How in the world would you compare the two
vehicles? What a DA

[Enough Already]

bl...@shopwhatcom.com (Blake) wrote in message news:<adb08a4b.03012...@posting.google.com>...

> I am looking at a new Hummer H2 for purchase and we get alot of snow

> in these parts(normally 2 feet is not uncommon). The vehicle I am
> looking at has non-stock tires and wheels on it, 18" Mud-Terain's
> which to me seem over-inflated on price by the dealer!
>
> Any thoughts? I know people are going to try and recommend something
> different, like, "My CJ-5 will out 4x4 a Hummer anyday" I am not
> interested in a debate between which vehicle is better, simply how
> does the H2 do in the Snow!

Well, do you give a damn about wasting oil and does maneuverability
mean anything to you? Something that big is a liability on tight
trails. It might be good for charging an enemy on a muddy battlefield,
but it's too awkward for most other tasks. It's also sluggish on the
highway according to most reviews. Most of its power is wasted just
moving the damned thing around.

I bet you're just pretending to want that tank for its 4WD
capabilities and hiding your true narcissistic motives.

E.A.

http://enough_already.tripod.com/
If any other species behaved like Man we'd call it a plague.

[David Corbett]

OK I will explain, one is strictly OFF Road the other is multy purpose,I
suppose you could tag both but it would be like tagging Bigfoot. The Hummer
is allot more expensive has AC an enclosed cab, do I really need to break it
down for you......sheeesh

> They are both off road vehicles in the same price range, what's the
> problem?
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[noonehere]

You realize the H2 weighs over 7000 pounds, right?

Yes, it's a tank- not in the literal sense <duh>, but by nature of being
terrifically overweight.

"Chris Phillipo" <Xcphi...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> In article <a20f7b76.03013...@posting.google.com>,
> enough_...@lycos.com says...

> > bl...@shopwhatcom.com (Blake) wrote in message
news:<adb08a4b.03012...@posting.google.com>...

> You realize a Hummer H2 is just a modified Chevy Tahoe right?
>
> Tank? LMAO.

[noonehere]

I wish you luck trying to tag the Avalance engineering truck..

"no fenders"

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[Julian]

Chris Phillipo wrote:
> In article <#5dmzZlyCHA.1496@cpimsnntpa03>,
> c3techn...@comcastspamsandwich.net says...

>> You realize the H2 weighs over 7000 pounds, right?
>>
>> Yes, it's a tank- not in the literal sense <duh>, but by nature of
>> being terrifically overweight.
>>
>>
>

> You'd have to put 600 lbs. of your bullshit in one to get it up to
> 7000 lbs. It can however, tow 7000 lbs. A 2000 lb. Honda can not.

My LR 90 can tow 8800lbs - does that count as a really big tank then?

[David Corbett]

Whatever Chris............

"Chris Dhillido" ...
> The guy asked about a 4x4 in the snow, not about leather seats and AC
> for a pussy getting groceries.

[Julian]

Chris Phillipo wrote:
> In article <104415787...@despina.uk.clara.net>, spa...@spam.com
> says...

> In his mind it's probably a battleship worth of sinking with a suicide
> tree bomber.

Sorry, ya lost me there!

[spike714]

I have the brigstone dullers on my tocoma and they SUCK !!!!

[ptitloup]

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> I have the brigstone dullers on my tocoma and they SUCK !!!!

www.mondialracing.com

[Phil Wilson]

dude 2 feet aint a lot of snow- i used to drive a k-car in that crap(a nice
reliant automobile) around Wiarton. i had a big-ass dually bus-body one ton
GMC van i used to go out bank surfing with too. hell, i even put some h/d
suspention and mud/snow tires on a VW Fox for backroading. if you have good
tires, and skill, a hummer is just a trophy.

if you want tank-like 4x4 performance- look for an old dodge ramcharger or
an old benz unimog.

on the other hand- i did get to go out in an H1, and it can get into just
about anywhere the trees are 6 feet apart, and if you do manage to get one
stuck...best of luck

"Enough Already" <enough_...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> bl...@shopwhatcom.com (Blake) wrote in message
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>
> > I am looking at a new Hummer H2 for purchase and we get alot of snow
> > in these parts(normally 2 feet is not uncommon).
>