Goodyear Wrangler AT vs BF Goodrich Trail TA?
Louie Escober
Hello,
I need to get new tires and new rims for my '87 Full sized Ford Bronco.
Right now, I've got P235/75R15XL tires on it, with 15x6.0JK rims. I was
thinking of moving up to bigger tires. Something like 31x10.5. I've looked
at the Goodyear Wrangler AT, and this tire seems to fit my needs. I do
mostly highway driving with the occasional muddy jeep road. However, I was
looking at the BF Goodrich Trail TA's and they look really nice, and I've
heard good things about BF Goodrich tires. Does anyone have experience with
these tires? And if so, what did you think of them?
For the rims, I was going to just get some steel alloy wheels. American
Custom Wheels has the Pioneer, and the AR-46 which look nice, and fit my
budget.
Oh, Goodyear quoted me $109.15 per tire for the Wrangler AT 31x10.5R15,
and $60.00 for the American Custom Wheels. I've also seen these wheels for
$40.00.
Any advice would be appreciated.
--
Louie Escober
Tom Rutledge
Louie -
The Wrangler has a softer sidewall and might be a little more puncture
prone than the BFG. You definitely need a wider rim for a 31x10.50 ...
at least a 7" and 8" is better.
I'm running 32x11.50 BFG MTs; I've got about 19,000 miles on them.
They're showing some wear, but they have plenty of bite left. Since I've
never gotten more than about 8500 miles out of any set of tires ever, to
say I'm impressed is a major understatement.
Tom
Grizzly
Louie Escober wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I need to get new tires and new rims for my '87 Full sized Ford Bronco.
> Right now, I've got P235/75R15XL tires on it, with 15x6.0JK rims. I was
> thinking of moving up to bigger tires. Something like 31x10.5. I've looked
> at the Goodyear Wrangler AT, and this tire seems to fit my needs. I do
> mostly highway driving with the occasional muddy jeep road. However, I was
> looking at the BF Goodrich Trail TA's and they look really nice, and I've
> heard good things about BF Goodrich tires. Does anyone have experience with
> these tires? And if so, what did you think of them?
>
> For the rims, I was going to just get some steel alloy wheels. American
> Custom Wheels has the Pioneer, and the AR-46 which look nice, and fit my
> budget.
>
> Oh, Goodyear quoted me $109.15 per tire for the Wrangler AT 31x10.5R15,
> and $60.00 for the American Custom Wheels. I've also seen these wheels for
> $40.00.
>
> Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> --
> Louie Escober
I could afford to. They were quiet on the street but no good at all
offroad. They would easily clog with mud or dirt and offer no traction.
I now have the BFGoodrich Radial All Terrain tires and am very happy
with them. They are quiet and smooth and handle well on the street and
do great in snow and mud.
Frank Kurucz
Louie Escober wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I need to get new tires and new rims for my '87 Full sized Ford Bronco.
> Right now, I've got P235/75R15XL tires on it, with 15x6.0JK rims. I was
> thinking of moving up to bigger tires. Something like 31x10.5. I've looked
> at the Goodyear Wrangler AT, and this tire seems to fit my needs. I do
> mostly highway driving with the occasional muddy jeep road. However, I was
> looking at the BF Goodrich Trail TA's and they look really nice, and I've
> heard good things about BF Goodrich tires. Does anyone have experience with
> these tires? And if so, what did you think of them?
Keep in mind that you are comparing apples and oranges. Trail T/A's are
more of a Mud & Snow tire (aggresive for a M+S). What you want to compare
are All Terrain T/A's.
If you do want the Trail T/A's I have seen them at Sam's Club for 69.99 in
the 235/75R/15 size.
Frank
sean
In article <32FFA4...@45ACP.com>, Grizzly <488...@45ACP.com> wrote:
>Louie Escober wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I need to get new tires and new rims for my '87 Full sized Ford Bronco.
>> Right now, I've got P235/75R15XL tires on it, with 15x6.0JK rims. I was
>> thinking of moving up to bigger tires. Something like 31x10.5. I've looked
>> at the Goodyear Wrangler AT, and this tire seems to fit my needs. I do
>> mostly highway driving with the occasional muddy jeep road. However, I was
>> looking at the BF Goodrich Trail TA's and they look really nice, and I've
>> heard good things about BF Goodrich tires. Does anyone have experience with
>> these tires? And if so, what did you think of them?
>>
>> Custom Wheels has the Pioneer, and the AR-46 which look nice, and fit my
>> budget.
>>
>> Oh, Goodyear quoted me $109.15 per tire for the Wrangler AT 31x10.5R15,
>> and $60.00 for the American Custom Wheels. I've also seen these wheels for
>> $40.00.
>>
replacement is the Long Trail. At any rate they are just that oem
replacements. If you want a more aggresive and more stable tire go with the
Bf Goodrich All Terrains!!! I have them on my Jeep, and they are great.
D. Branden
Grizzly wrote:
>
> Louie Escober wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I need to get new tires and new rims for my '87 Full sized Ford Bronco.
> > Right now, I've got P235/75R15XL tires on it, with 15x6.0JK rims. I was
> > thinking of moving up to bigger tires. Something like 31x10.5. I've looked
> > at the Goodyear Wrangler AT, and this tire seems to fit my needs. I do
> > mostly highway driving with the occasional muddy jeep road. However, I was
> > looking at the BF Goodrich Trail TA's and they look really nice, and I've
> > heard good things about BF Goodrich tires. Does anyone have experience with
> > these tires? And if so, what did you think of them?
> >
> > For the rims, I was going to just get some steel alloy wheels. American
> > Custom Wheels has the Pioneer, and the AR-46 which look nice, and fit my
> > budget.
> >
> > Oh, Goodyear quoted me $109.15 per tire for the Wrangler AT 31x10.5R15,
> > and $60.00 for the American Custom Wheels. I've also seen these wheels for
> > $40.00.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Louie Escober
> I had Goodyear Wrangler Radials on my F-150 and replaced them as soon as
> I could afford to. They were quiet on the street but no good at all
> offroad. They would easily clog with mud or dirt and offer no traction.
> I now have the BFGoodrich Radial All Terrain tires and am very happy
> with them. They are quiet and smooth and handle well on the street and
> do great in snow and mud.
You better get wider rims for those 10.5" tires.
SEe below:
Specs For Goodyear Wrangler AT's
LT215/75R15 C BSL 16 5.5-7.0 6.00 8.5 27.8 6.2 12.3 747 1765@50
LT215/75R15 C OWL 16 5.5-7.0 6.00 8.5 27.8 6.2 12.3 747 1765@50
LT235/75R15 C BSL 16 6.0-7.0 6.50 9.3 29.0 6.8 12.8 716 1985@50
LT235/75R15 C OWL 16 6.0-7.0 6.50 9.3 29.0 6.8 12.8 716 1985@50
LT235/75R15 D BSL 16 6.0-7.0 6.50 9.3 29.0 6.8 12.8 716 2335@65
30-9.50R15 C OWL 16 6.5-8.5 7.50 9.5 29.5 7.2 12.9 704 1990@50
31-10.50R15 C BSL 16 7.0-9.0 8.50 10.5 30.5 8.0 13.3 681 2550@50
31-10.50R15 C OWL 16 7.0-9.0 8.50 10.5 30.5 8.0 13.3 681 2250@50
31-11.50R15 C OWL 17 8.0-10.0 9.00 11.4 30.5 8.7 13.3 681 2340@50
33-12.50R15 C OWL 17 8.5-11.0 10.00 12.5 32.4 9.6 14.0 641 2225@35
35-12.50R15 C OWL 17 8.5-11.0 10.00 12.5 34.4 9.6 14.8 604 2555@35
LT225/75R16 D BSL 16 6.0-7.0 6.00 8.8 29.4 6.4 13.0 707 2335@65
LT225/75R16 C BSL 16 6.0-7.0 6.00 8.8 29.4 6.4 13.0 707 1940@50
LT225/75R16 C OWL 16 6.0-7.0 6.00 8.8 29.4 6.4 13.0 707 1940@50
LT245/75R16 C OWL 16 6.5-7.0 7.00 9.8 30.7 7.2 13.5 677 2205@50
LT245/75R16 C BSL 16 6.5-7.0 7.00 9.8 30.7 7.2 13.5 677 2205@50
LT245/75R16 E OWL 16 6.5-7.0 7.00 9.8 30.7 7.2 13.5 677 3042@80
LT245/75R16 E BSL 16 6.5-7.0 7.00 9.8 30.7 7.2 13.5 677 3042@80
LT265/75R16 C OWL 17 7.0-8.0 7.50 10.0 31.6 7.9 13.9 657 2470@50
LT215/85R16 D OWL 16 5.5-7.0 6.00 8.5 30.5 6.2 13.4 681 2335@65
LT215/85R16 D BSL 16 5.5-7.0 6.00 8.5 30.5 6.2 13.4 681 2335@65
LT215/85R16 E OWL 16 5.5-7.0 6.00 8.5 30.5 6.2 13.4 681 2680@80
LT215/85R16 E BSL 16 5.5-7.0 6.00 8.5 30.5 6.2 13.4 681 2680@80
LT235/85R16 E BSL 16 6.0-7.0 6.50 9.3 31.7 6.8 13.9 655 3042@80
LT255/85R16 D OWL 16 6.5-8.0 7.00 10.0 33.1 7.4 14.4 628 3000@65
D. Branden
The Goodrich tread is a tiny bit more aggressive and has a quiet on road
pattern. For your information, BFGoodrich no longer makes tires. They
are exclusively supplying chemicals to the aerospace industry. The
BFGoodrich name has been purchased by Uniroyal who is now responsible
for the tires that are marketed as Goodrich tires. I do not know if the
tires are still made in the same factories under the same quality
control. (they probably ARE) at least for the time being.
The Dunlop tires have been rated very very high (I always thought of
Dunlops as factory equipped tires).
Cooper tires are great and are trusted by a great many Law enforcement
and park service agencies in the Colorado and New Mexico areas.
There is definately a diffeerence between a Wrangler "P" series tire and
a Wrangler "LT" series. As is true for all brands.
Peace
carey
I have had wrangler tires on a few trucks and to be honest, I don't like
them. Now I am using Coppers on my jeep and have found them to be a much
better tire in all conditions. Only my opinion.
JGIONET
Louie,
You say you do mostly highway. If gas milage is not an issue, go for
the bigger tire. If it is, stick with the original size. I recently
upgraded tires on my F150 from the 235/75x15 to 31/10.5x15 and gas
milage went down ~3 mpg.
Joe
JGIONET
Which means you need more power to turn them. So, less mpg.
Joe
John Schultz
> > >Louie Escober wrote:
> > >> thinking of moving up to bigger tires. Something like 31x10.5. I've looked
> > >> at the Goodyear Wrangler AT, and this tire seems to fit my needs. I do
> > >> mostly highway driving with the occasional muddy jeep road. However, I was
> > >> looking at the BF Goodrich Trail TA's and they look really nice, and I've
> > >> heard good things about BF Goodrich tires. Does anyone have experience with
> > >> these tires? And if so, what did you think of them?
The only experience I have with BF Goodrich is the tires that were on my
Blazer when I got it. It had a set of All terrain TA's. Most of what I
hear about these tires is positive but, my experience was certainly
not. In all fairness, I have no idea how many miles were on them when I
got them but, I have never seen a tire self destruct the way these did.
Almost simulateously, three out of the four tires developed deep
vertical cracks running from the tread edge down the sidewall towards
the rim. The cracks were all the way to the cord and once they appeared
the sidewall would almost immediately fly off in large chunks with no
warning. I have absolutely no idea why. I'm positive that this is not
normal otherwise the fine people of this group would not recommend them
as frequently as they seem to. I replaced them with the Sentry LT tires
from Western Auto. They have so far been quite satisfactory, we have
had a great deal of snowfall this year in Kansas City and they have
performed admirably. I have no idea about their long term durability or
trailworthiness, they were very reasonable in cost and I could afford
them at the time. They were also readily available in 31 x 11.50 which
happened to look great on my full size 83 Blazer. I will say that the
BF Goodrich tires were excellent off road performers in the hills when I
lived in S.E. Arizona!! I may try them again someday but, was scared
off initially when the old ones "came unglued" the way they did.
Regards,
John
Grizzly
D. Branden wrote:
>
> sean wrote:
> >
> > In article <32FFA4...@45ACP.com>, Grizzly <488...@45ACP.com> wrote:
> > >Louie Escober wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hello,
> > >>
> > >> I need to get new tires and new rims for my '87 Full sized Ford Bronco.
> > >> Right now, I've got P235/75R15XL tires on it, with 15x6.0JK rims. I was
> > >> at the Goodyear Wrangler AT, and this tire seems to fit my needs. I do
> > >> mostly highway driving with the occasional muddy jeep road. However, I was
> > >> looking at the BF Goodrich Trail TA's and they look really nice, and I've
> > >> heard good things about BF Goodrich tires. Does anyone have experience with
> > >> these tires? And if so, what did you think of them?
> > >>
> > >> Custom Wheels has the Pioneer, and the AR-46 which look nice, and fit my
> > >> budget.
> > >>
> > >> Oh, Goodyear quoted me $109.15 per tire for the Wrangler AT 31x10.5R15,
> > >> and $60.00 for the American Custom Wheels. I've also seen these wheels for
> > >> $40.00.
> > >>
> > replacement is the Long Trail. At any rate they are just that oem
> > replacements. If you want a more aggresive and more stable tire go with the
> > Bf Goodrich All Terrains!!! I have them on my Jeep, and they are great.
>
> cheap passenger car tires in truck tire clothing aren't they? How can a
> car manufacturer put thos eon a car that is supposed to be used off road
> sometimes. You would have to find a trail covered with marshmellows for
> those tires to be safe off road. I replaced mine with a set of Cooper
> AST's immediately. Wonderful tire that Cooper tire. Strong like bull.
> As are the Wrangler A/T's in the LT series. Them there BFGoodRich "LT"
> All terrains (now Uniroyal's tire) are good tires too but damn hard to
> find without that juvenile while lettering on the side. Will Uniroyal
> keep making BFGoddrich truck tires? Isn't Uniroyal almost exclusively a
> truck tire manufacturer now? (Laredo, right?)
>
> DV
If you don't like the white letters just mount the tires so the letters
are facing in towards the truck.
D. Branden
John Schultz wrote:
>
> > > >Louie Escober wrote:
>
> > > >> thinking of moving up to bigger tires. Something like 31x10.5. I've looked
> > > >> at the Goodyear Wrangler AT, and this tire seems to fit my needs. I do
> > > >> mostly highway driving with the occasional muddy jeep road. However, I was
> > > >> looking at the BF Goodrich Trail TA's and they look really nice, and I've
> > > >> heard good things about BF Goodrich tires. Does anyone have experience with
> > > >> these tires? And if so, what did you think of them?
>
> Blazer when I got it. It had a set of All terrain TA's. Most of what I
> hear about these tires is positive but, my experience was certainly
> not. In all fairness, I have no idea how many miles were on them when I
> got them but, I have never seen a tire self destruct the way these did.
> Almost simulateously, three out of the four tires developed deep
> vertical cracks running from the tread edge down the sidewall towards
> the rim. The cracks were all the way to the cord and once they appeared
> the sidewall would almost immediately fly off in large chunks with no
> warning. I have absolutely no idea why. I'm positive that this is not
> normal otherwise the fine people of this group would not recommend them
> as frequently as they seem to. I replaced them with the Sentry LT tires
> from Western Auto. They have so far been quite satisfactory, we have
> had a great deal of snowfall this year in Kansas City and they have
> performed admirably. I have no idea about their long term durability or
> trailworthiness, they were very reasonable in cost and I could afford
> them at the time. They were also readily available in 31 x 11.50 which
> happened to look great on my full size 83 Blazer. I will say that the
> BF Goodrich tires were excellent off road performers in the hills when I
> lived in S.E. Arizona!! I may try them again someday but, was scared
> off initially when the old ones "came unglued" the way they did.
>
> Regards,
>
> John
John,
I think that when a tire cracks vertically from the rim to the tread it
is a sign that the tire was run against it's normal rolling pattern. In
other words, it sounds like the tires were moved from one sid e of the
car to the other or possibly put on the car from another car just before
you bought it. Even if the tires were put on the same side of yoru car
as they were on the previous car, if the rims were different widths this
disintegration can still occur. This is one of the critical things with
radial tires. It is not a good idea to put radials from one car to
another or switch sides. Avoid buying radial tires that have more than
a couple thousand miles on them. If you do buy used radial tires, I'm
not saying you NEVER should, make sure they were marked right and left
when taken off the old car. Also, never mount a white letter tire with
the white letters pointing in unless the manufacturer specifically
indicates that it is ok to do so. Usually a tire (EVEN BLACKWALLS) will
be marked which side to mount facing outward. Either it will be molded
into the sidewall or painted with a colored mark somewhere on the
sidewall.
Is there any way that you can find out if those tires that came apart
were off of another car?
D
Karl Fengler
JGIONET wrote:
This is strange. The larger diameter should result in
a bit better milage. How many tanks full of fuel did
you compare them to? A drop of 3 miles/gallon is a
lot. Were all other conditions the same, tempertaure,
wind, driving style, roads condition? Don't forget
that in the winter you may be getting reformulated fuel,
which seems to reduce my mileage too.
--
-Karl Fengler---------------- BRONCO*351 - FXDWG -
---------------------- ka...@hpb18162.boi.hp.com -
-!! You Have Strayed Upon The Motorway To HELL !!-
Tom Rutledge
Nah. This is pretty normal. You have more square inches of tire flexing
to grip the road, more inches of sidewall to flex, because you're taller,
more air to push, and perhaps increased friction because of thicker or
more agressive tread.
I lost about 3.5 mpg going from 235-75R15 to 32x11.50 on my 4-banger
Nissan. Since I didn't swap gears, though, I have to factor in that I'm
actually traveling a bit further than the odometer says. The final
number actually looks like going from about 19-19.5 mpg down to 17-17.5
mpg ... not good, but not as bad as the 15 mpg indicated by using the
odometer instead of actual miles.
Tom
D. Branden
Karl Fengler wrote:
>
> JGIONET wrote:
>
> > Louie,
> > You say you do mostly highway. If gas milage is not an issue, go for
> > the bigger tire. If it is, stick with the original size. I recently
> > upgraded tires on my F150 from the 235/75x15 to 31/10.5x15 and gas
> > milage went down ~3 mpg. Bigger tires have more rolling resistance.
> > Which means you need more power to turn them. So, less mpg.
> > Joe
>
> This is strange. The larger diameter should result in
> a bit better milage. How many tanks full of fuel did
> you compare them to? A drop of 3 miles/gallon is a
> lot. Were all other conditions the same, tempertaure,
> wind, driving style, roads condition? Don't forget
> that in the winter you may be getting reformulated fuel,
> which seems to reduce my mileage too.
>
> --
> -Karl Fengler---------------- BRONCO*351 - FXDWG -
> ---------------------- ka...@hpb18162.boi.hp.com -
> -!! You Have Strayed Upon The Motorway To HELL !!-
The larger diameter tire will give less rolling resistence and therefore
better fuel economy once the car is rolling at cruising speed. However,
the larger tire requires more energy to GET rolling. So it really
depends on the type of driving.
John Schultz
D. Branden wrote:
> The larger diameter tire will give less rolling resistence and therefore
> better fuel economy once the car is rolling at cruising speed. However,
> the larger tire requires more energy to GET rolling. So it really
> depends on the type of driving.
An additional consideration to take into account when calculating fuel
mileage with a larger tire is the margin of error introduced into the
speedometer and odometer. Less miles will be logged on the Odo. than
actually travelled (you will also be driving faster than is showing)
unless of course the speedometer gear is replaced with the correct
ratio. My speedometer/odometer is off by approx. 15% compared to stock
tires.
John
Wycked1
After years of using those and other tires, I like some of my friends
switched to the Dunlop Radial Rovers, look like the others, Quiet on
highway, good off-road and cheaper than the others usually!
Wycked1
I have a 81 CJ-7, with a 350 Chevy V-8, Large 4BBL carb Etc. 33inch tires
on 10 inch wheels and I was wondering if someone could tell me what the
hell is GOOD GAS MILEAGE??????? :)
Thomas Moorer
In article <32FFA4...@45ACP.com>, Grizzly <488...@45ACP.com> writes:
|> I had Goodyear Wrangler Radials on my F-150 and replaced them as soon as
|> I could afford to. They were quiet on the street but no good at all
|> offroad. They would easily clog with mud or dirt and offer no traction.
|> I now have the BFGoodrich Radial All Terrain tires and am very happy
|> with them. They are quiet and smooth and handle well on the street and
|> do great in snow and mud.
My experience has been the same except I've had the tires on two different
vehicles. My F-150 has the Wranglers 17". They dig trenches into the mud
and offer little traction (I did not deflate, however). My Trooper has
31X10.5 BFG AT's. They are fairly quiet on the highway, but have a lot
of traction in mud and loose stuff. The truck is much heavier and with
a different distribution, so it's hard to compare. But, the F-150 starts
having problems too quick IMO. I'll replace with BFG's (if 17" are avail-
able) when the time comes.
Eric W Stringer
D. Branden (dj...@earthlink.net) wrote:
<snip>
: when taken off the old car. Also, never mount a white letter tire with
: indicates that it is ok to do so. Usually a tire (EVEN BLACKWALLS) will
: be marked which side to mount facing outward. Either it will be molded
: into the sidewall or painted with a colored mark somewhere on the
: sidewall.
Could you explain this, please? If the tire is non-directional, what
difference would it make which side is on the outside?
--
Eric
'95 XJ Sport
'97 TJ Sport
mailto:stri...@nmia.com
D. Branden
Eric, I made no mention of Non Directional tires. Some are non directional
but many are not. My concern was tires that are direction specific. Read
the post you quoted, "..."unless the manufacturer specifically indicates
that it is ok..."
So, You're right. If it is non directional and you know that's the case, it
doesn't matter. Still my main point of the post was about not changing
sides once the tires have a few thousand on them and being extremely
cautious when moving tires from one car to the other. Doing so can cause
the sidewall to split and come apart.
Drive safely.
Grizzly
letters facing inwards. Simply take the tires that would normally be on
the right side and put them on the left and vice versa. The tires will
still be rotating in the proper direction.
Paul W Harvey
On Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:57:52 -0600, "D. Branden" <dj...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>So, You're right. If it is non directional and you know that's the case, it
>doesn't matter. Still my main point of the post was about not changing
>sides once the tires have a few thousand on them and being extremely
>cautious when moving tires from one car to the other. Doing so can cause
>the sidewall to split and come apart.
Where do you get this stuff? From talking to tire professionals,
which you're not, or at least you haven't claimed to be one yet, I've
been told cross siding radials is no longer a problem. In fact, it's
recommended for some makes of vehicles that have funky wear patterns.
As for directional tires. One would think you'd know this when you
had to order 2 left/2 right or simply looked at the tread.
On an aside the military often runs the Goodyear MTs (directional)
backwards on one axle of their Hummers. Supposed to provide better
traction for backing up.
--Paul
Jeep Jockey
Although your comments are a few days old, I thought I might insert some additional
information.
D. Branden wrote:
> The Goodrich tread is a tiny bit more aggressive and has a quiet on road
> pattern. For your information, BFGoodrich no longer makes tires. They
> are exclusively supplying chemicals to the aerospace industry. The
> BFGoodrich name has been purchased by Uniroyal who is now responsible
> for the tires that are marketed as Goodrich tires. I do not know if the
> tires are still made in the same factories under the same quality
> control. (they probably ARE) at least for the time being.
BFGoodrich and Uniroyal both are owned by Michelin. The factories, and marketing rights
are all owned by Michelin. Many of the BFG tires are still made in the same plants, but
tooling and quality control are being continuously improved by Michelin.
>
> The Dunlop tires have been rated very very high (I always thought of
> Dunlops as factory equipped tires).
As an added bit of information, Dunlop is owned by Sumitomo Rubber Company of Japan.
They have tried making inroads into the US and European markets with Sumitomo and
Falken brand tires. Dunlop now give them a name and built in distribution in the United
States where their Japanese brands have been weak from a sales standpoint.
>
> Cooper tires are great and are trusted by a great many Law enforcement
> and park service agencies in the Colorado and New Mexico areas.
Cooper is now one of only two US owned manufacturers of tires. Cooper makes a number of
private label tires such as the Patriot for Tire America and Western Auto.
>
> There is definately a diffeerence between a Wrangler "P" series tire and
> a Wrangler "LT" series. As is true for all brands.
The 'P' stands for passenger car and hence the weight rating and pressure
characteristics of the tire are geared toward passenger car use. It appears that many
truck manufacturers are using P-metric tires for their lower rolling resistance and
smoother ride on new trucks. The 'LT' or light-truck tires generally have a stiffer
sidewall which allows for a higher load rating. They usually can be inflated to 50 psi
or more depending on size. They generally yeild a stiffer ride with increased rolling
resistance with pressures at the normal 30-35 psi. They are a much sturdier tire
though.
>
> Peace
Hopefully, I'm just trying to pass-on info from the tire industry, not start any
fire-wars.
--
Randall Groh
U.S. Tire & Exhaust
West Allis, WI
Smiling Jeep TJ Jockey.
rg...@execpc.com
Frank Ball
On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 12:33:03 -0800, Jeep Jockey @ Prg...@execpc.com wrote:
& Cooper is now one of only two US owned manufacturers of tires. Cooper makes a number of
& private label tires such as the Patriot for Tire America and Western Auto.
Only two in the US? Goodyear? Kelley-Springfield? And I'd guess some
other smaller companies.
& > There is definately a diffeerence between a Wrangler "P" series tire and
& > a Wrangler "LT" series. As is true for all brands.
& The 'P' stands for passenger car and hence the weight rating and pressure
& characteristics of the tire are geared toward passenger car use. It appears that many
& truck manufacturers are using P-metric tires for their lower rolling resistance and
& smoother ride on new trucks. The 'LT' or light-truck tires generally have a stiffer
& sidewall which allows for a higher load rating. They usually can be inflated to 50 psi
& or more depending on size. They generally yeild a stiffer ride with increased rolling
& resistance with pressures at the normal 30-35 psi. They are a much sturdier tire
& though.
The LT tires usually have much deeper tread than the P tires, up to about
50% more. The downside is they usually have very low speed ratings, often
only 85 mph.
Frank Ball 1UR-M fra...@sr.hp.com
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Jerry Bransford
> On Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:57:52 -0600, "D. Branden" <dj...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> >So, You're right. If it is non directional and you know that's the case, it
> >doesn't matter. Still my main point of the post was about not changing
> >sides once the tires have a few thousand on them and being extremely
> >cautious when moving tires from one car to the other. Doing so can cause
> >the sidewall to split and come apart.
That's not true anymore. In fact, that hasn't been true in 10-15 years,
if not longer. It's amazing how outdated or no incorrect information
stays alive after so many years. Modern (made in the last 10-15 years)
radial tires (and of course bias-belted which never had this problem)
can be switched from side to side with no ill-effects whatsoever.
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Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL, C.A.P., KC6TAY
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D. Branden
You are wrong. So you are telling us that the tire and vehicle
manufacturers just havn't gotten around to changing the instructions for
rotating tires yet. AFter 15 years? Did they just forget?
You are dumb.
D. Branden
Jeep Jockey wrote:
>
> Although your comments are a few days old, I thought I might insert some additional
> information.
>
> D. Branden wrote:
>
> > The Goodrich tread is a tiny bit more aggressive and has a quiet on road
> > pattern. For your information, BFGoodrich no longer makes tires. They
> > are exclusively supplying chemicals to the aerospace industry. The
> > BFGoodrich name has been purchased by Uniroyal who is now responsible
> > for the tires that are marketed as Goodrich tires. I do not know if the
> > tires are still made in the same factories under the same quality
> > control. (they probably ARE) at least for the time being.
>
> BFGoodrich and Uniroyal both are owned by Michelin. The factories, and marketing rights
> are all owned by Michelin. Many of the BFG tires are still made in the same plants, but
> tooling and quality control are being continuously improved by Michelin.
>
> >
> > The Dunlop tires have been rated very very high (I always thought of
> > Dunlops as factory equipped tires).
>
> As an added bit of information, Dunlop is owned by Sumitomo Rubber Company of Japan.
> They have tried making inroads into the US and European markets with Sumitomo and
> Falken brand tires. Dunlop now give them a name and built in distribution in the United
> States where their Japanese brands have been weak from a sales standpoint.
>
> >
> > Cooper tires are great and are trusted by a great many Law enforcement
> > and park service agencies in the Colorado and New Mexico areas.
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
> > Peace
>
> Hopefully, I'm just trying to pass-on info from the tire industry, not start any
> fire-wars.
>
> --
> Randall Groh
> U.S. Tire & Exhaust
> West Allis, WI
>
> Smiling Jeep TJ Jockey.
> rg...@execpc.com
This is how a posting thread should go! Good info.
William W Davies
On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 07:41:31 +0000, "D. Branden" <dj...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>You are wrong. So you are telling us that the tire and vehicle
>manufacturers just havn't gotten around to changing the instructions for
>rotating tires yet. AFter 15 years? Did they just forget?
>
>You are dumb.
as i sit here looking at my 94 Ford Bronco manual, you are the one who
looks dumb. all 94 Broncos that i know of came with Radials, and the
only tire rotation they show in the manual is a cross rotation
pattern.
4 tire rotation:
front left to rear right, rear right to front right, front right to
rear left, rear left to front left.
5 tire rotation:
front left to spare, spare to rear right, rear right to front right,
front right to rear left, rear left to front left.
am i reading the diagram arrows wrong? ha, i don't think so.
make sure you know what the heck you're talking about before calling
someone else dumb, smartguy.
BTW. This is how a correction to someone else's misinformative post
should go!
laters,
Bill and Dawn '94 Ford Bronco
'93 Mazda MX-3
'72 Olds Cutlass Supreme
Email address changed due to growing Auto-SPAM
Andrew
In article <33095D...@earthlink.net>, dj...@earthlink.net says...
>manufacturers just havn't gotten around to changing the instructions
for
>rotating tires yet. AFter 15 years? Did they just forget?
>
>You are dumb.
I agree with Jerry, rotate the tires however you feel like.
Up until about 10-15 years ago there was the probability of belts
shifting and breaking. With the new technology that just isn't true
anymore.
Most of the tire places around here (Goodyear, Firestone) will rotate
the tires any way you ask them. The only place I know of that won't
rotate side to side is Sears.
I personally rotate the tires in three patterns:
left to right
front to rear
x pattern
I have never had a problem with any tire caused by the rotation pattern.
The way I decide which pattern to use is to look at the wear pattern,
then decide which corner to stick it on to even it out.
Hope this helps
Andrew
disclaimer:
These views are mine and not my employers.
Paul W Harvey
>You are wrong. So you are telling us that the tire and vehicle
>manufacturers just havn't gotten around to changing the instructions for
>rotating tires yet. AFter 15 years? Did they just forget?
>
>You are dumb.
Dude, you're the dumb one! Not to mention rude. Cross rotation and
reversing the direction are now recommended for some vehicles.
I suggest you check your facts (maybe call someone who knows more than
you, it shouldn't be hard to find one) before you spew your crap.
--Paul
kaz...@pdq.net
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I Have owned both sets of tires, the Goodyear AT's and the BF G. Trail
TA's. I am currently running the BF G.'s and am very satisfied with their
quality. I have a Jeep CJ-7 and both tires preformed well. Both are good
and genuinly cling to their "all terrain" name. Personally, my largest
problem was with blowouts. Goodyears were giving me to mainy problems.
Three out of four tires, during their life time had blowouts. I have
replaced the BF G.'s with a new set and I am still very pleased with them.
Price is also a large factor, being Goodyear is and has always been a bit
more pricey then its competitor. Greg GREG...@aol.com