What is best material to fill loudspeaker stands with ?
miamixj
don't want to use sand or the like because I know too many people where the
sand has begun to leak out over time and is a mess. I was going to just use
lead shot but I someone said steel is better and I was wondering which is
best?
Scot Gardner
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I'm just guessing here, but wouldn't a non-magnetic material be less likely
to interfere with the speaker magnets?
Steve
>I'm just guessing here, but wouldn't a non-magnetic material be less likely
>to interfere with the speaker magnets?
Yep. Best to use styrofoam.
miamixj
are shielded B&W's speakers) but Styrofoam? How is that gonna add any
significant mass or help a speaker stand reduce vibrations?
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Fuzzy Logic
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Usually sand or lead shot.
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Alex Rodriguez
mia...@bellsouth.net says...
I would use steel shot simple because when the time comes, it is easier
to dispose of.
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miamixj <mia...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Fuzzy Logic
"Brian L. McCarty" <opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote in news:B771952F.31261%
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> in article 3yD27.5658$xf7.3...@e420r-atl3.usenetserver.com, miamixj at
> mia...@bellsouth.net wrote on 10/7/01 23:34:
>
>> I was going to just use
>> lead shot but I someone said steel is better and I was wondering which is
>> best?
>
> Exposure to lead can be dangerous.
If ingested or you are a duck.
Randy Howard
Lead is denser. Depends upon how much weight you need/can add to the stand
without them breaking.. Some stands aren't made out of sturdy enough
material to handle lead properly. If that isn't an issue, and you really
them dense, use lead shot. The smaller the shot size, the denser you can
get it. If you need stability, sometimes lead high up in a taller stand
can cause it to be too top heavy. Try using lead shot in the bottom of
the stand, and sand or a lighter material higher up to lower the CG
a bit more.
miamixj
but, I wasn't planning on eating the lead just pouring it in the stands :)
That gravel idea sounds good, and cheap. Anyone else use that stuff?
Sonically is it as good as lead?
Thanks
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Randy Howard
says...
> I would use steel shot simple because when the time comes, it is easier
> to dispose of.
Both lead and steel shot can be disposed of by shooting them in a shotgun
(provided you know how to reload shotshells). Lead can also be disposed
of by melting it down and making bullets, fishing weights, or even tire
weights out of it. It's pretty hard to melt down steel shot without
a much larger heat source than the small pot required to met lead.
Alan Dana
<mia...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Well, I appreciate the comments. I did know exposure to lead is dangerous
> but, I wasn't planning on eating the lead just pouring it in the stands :)
> That gravel idea sounds good, and cheap. Anyone else use that stuff?
> Sonically is it as good as lead?
Gravel is a reasonable middle ground. It isn't as dense as lead
and so will not be as heavy and not provide as much stablity. But
it is safe and will add some weight.
But it certainly is easily disposed of!
Overall I would rate it not as good as sand, if the sand
does not leak out of the stand. If you think it will hold
sand but are not 100% sure, you could stuff a rag down into
the stand first - use a rod or stick to tamp it down. Then
add the sand.
Alan
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David Brock
gravel (large granules).
David
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Jeremy Snow
"miamixj" <mia...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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find. Lead is difficult to get these days as it is banned in the US for use
in shotguns and the like. You can still get lead, its just harder to find
and rather expensive. For my rear speakers, the stands are filled with sand.
I put the sand in a large aluminum baking pan, the kind you cook a turkey
in, then put it in the oven for about three hours. This got rid of all the
moisture. I think some people have problems with sand leaking out because
the stands actually rust from the inside out. Another thing I did was to
seal the bottom of the stand with silicone. This basically made the assembly
joints water tight. Have had them filled now for quite some time and have
had no problems with leaking. Sound wise the sand vs lead is the same. Maybe
there is a scientifacly measurable difference but I don't care. I would have
liked to have lead all the way around as the lead is much denser and it just
makes them more stable. Living in L.A. awaiting the next earthquake, I'd
prefer the lead filled stands. I could always just bolt them to the slab but
that would be overkill.
Jeremy
Randy Howard
says...
> I have two stands filled with 25 pounds of lead each, thats all I could
> find. Lead is difficult to get these days as it is banned in the US for use
> in shotguns and the like.
BS. Totally wrong. Want to see some lead, go to your local sporting
goods store and ask for a box of Remington 12ga "Dove loads" (they
should be stocking up right about now). They're almost pure lead.
Lead is illegal to use for migratory birds, but perfectly legal for
bullets used in handguns, rifles, lead shotgun slugs, and shot for
any other game bird hunting, (dove, pheasant, turkeys) or deer, etc.
> You can still get lead, its just harder to find and rather expensive.
Actually, it's easy to find, and quite cheap. Go to your local
tire dealer and ask if you can have a coffee can full of wheel
weights sometime. Melt it down, tada, lead. Lead shot can be
purchased at almost any shotgun trap/skeet range, or sporting
goods store that sells reloading equipment.
> I think some people have problems with sand leaking out because
> the stands actually rust from the inside out.
No, it's because they use cheaply constructed stands. The good ones
are welded up out of solid material, not just aluminum tack welded
between the base and columns. Sound Anchors makes some extremely
sturdy stands, that will not leak.
Ron Gibson
> I have two stands filled with 25 pounds of lead each, thats all I could
> find. Lead is difficult to get these days as it is banned in the US for use
> in shotguns and the like. You can still get lead, its just harder to find
> and rather expensive.
You can get lead sinkers used for bottom fishing in deep waters that
weigh a pound each. But 25 pounds would prolly cost at least $25.
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LeadFoot
Don't chew on or lick the speaker stands after filling them with
lead shot. :)
Ed Sheffield
Lead-shot, from hunting outlets, is coated with antimony (sp?) this
practice reduces health issues considerably. Resist the temptation to
use tiny birdshot-ask about Nos. 5 or 6 or 7 shot. Find every last
peice that you might drop.
If you use sand get the kind that has been steam treated. Or you may
have an unwanted bio-mass living in your speakers.
Only add dense material to a section of a cabinet made for that
purpose. If you add material to the chamber that houses the driver
units you will change the speakers Q. You do not want this outcome.
N. Thornton
> > What is better to fill loudspeaker stands with lead shot or steel shot? I
> > don't want to use sand or the like because I know too many people where the
> > sand has begun to leak out over time and is a mess. I was going to just use
> > lead shot but I someone said steel is better and I was wondering which is
> > best?
Sand is better than shot. Its is quite easy to seal a box so sand
doesn't come out. I wouldn't recommend shot myself.
Styrofoam is good if it is one solid blick stuck to all the sieds, but
loose bits are pretty useless. Sand is best.
Kalman Rubinson
>Sand is better than shot. Its is quite easy to seal a box so sand
>doesn't come out. I wouldn't recommend shot myself.
>
>Styrofoam is good if it is one solid blick stuck to all the sieds, but
>loose bits are pretty useless. Sand is best.
Styrofoam is terrible. It adds no significant mass and has awful
resonant characteristics (dependant, of course, on density and
porosity).
Kal
jazz
so that stand ain't going anywhere ...
jazz
Kalman Rubinson <k...@nyu.edu> wrote in message
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Kalman Rubinson
wrote:
>My choice would be black hole matter. You get quite a few tons per teaspoon,
>so that stand ain't going anywhere ...
Or ringing.
Kal
Brent Hughes
weight issue with respect to stability.
This however is not the point, dampening resonance's is. In that case sand
is the only answer provided it is of mixed granularity. Shot (lead or steel)
is uniform in size and doesn't settle properly leaving air gaps in the stand
columns. Plus vibrations can move through the metal quite quickly causing
"muddy" sound and a smearing of the sound stage.
Mixed granular sand has various sizes and shapes and compacts very well over
time. This in turn causes a very inert mass to lodge at the base of the
stand that effectively damps resonance's. Fill the columns of the stand
about two thirds full and if desired caulk the base of the column with black
RTV sealant. The mentioned idea of baking the sand to dry it out is a good
one if your stands are made of iron or steel but not needed if the columns
are aluminum.
The use of spikes is also a must on the stand base and use something like
Blue Tac under the speakers on the stands themselves, Voila! The perfect
solution!
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Steve Fye
wrote:
>My choice would be black hole matter. You get quite a few tons per teaspoon,
>so that stand ain't going anywhere ...
>
>jazz
Only drawback would be that it would make it difficult to watch
movies, with the light from your TV getting sucked in and all...
Steve
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Edmonton
sand
lead
steel
Drop them!
What do you hear?
Really... do you want steel?
I didn't think so.
Sand would be your best bet.
Eddy
Edmonton
I was waiting for that!
Dampening Resonance's!!
Great post!
Eddy
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bilfish
(29")from the WWW.audioadvisor.com , for my PSB stratus mini surrounds,
I also bought a bag of Target heavy metal,one bag for my stands was not
enough though.
{these lovan ballet II's have lots of fill capacity} so I mixed with kiln
dried "playbox" sand,and this setup worked out very well .I also
used blue tack on the bottom of the speakers {corners only} and the stand's
top plate.this has worked out wonderfully,no ringing at all. these stands
are so heavy now I struggle to lift them.
good luck
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Eric Desrochers
I think that lead might be more heavy than sand (good) but it would let
voids. Here is a solution : first fill with lead shots, THEN put the
sand - it will fill the voids!
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"The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck
is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners."
Bapapapa
It's cheap, no need to dry in the oven (ruined mine drying sand last time,
missus was not happy!! :-o ) and the grains are small thus the 'voids' are
minimal.
"Eric Desrochers" <der...@mac.com> wrote in message
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Edmonton
"Exposure to lead can be dangerous."???
It's not popcorn!
In your infinite wisdom, maybe you should try to respond!
Bogus response?
Hello!
Is any body home???
Name something that has density and doesn't resonate at these freq.'s.
Gawd I just love people that can come here and cut others down but don't
have the balls to post a suggestion!
Eddy
"Brian L. McCarty" <opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote in message
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> in article L9vr7.8237$oa2.4...@news2.rdc1.ab.home.com, Edmonton at
> Edmo...@hotmail.com wrote on 24/9/01 10:31:
>
> > Drop them!
> > What do you hear?
> >
> > Really... do you want steel?
> > I didn't think so.
>
> Bogus test, bogus response.
>
>
Alan Dana
> Well so far you have done nothing but cut down all suggestions.
>
> "Exposure to lead can be dangerous."???
> It's not popcorn!
If one has a well-made speaker stand, with a wielded steel frame,
then lead should still be acceptable. If you are worried about it
leaking out the bottom, then before you pour any in, take a rag or
a handerchief or some cloth and tamp it down with a stick to the
bottom of the stand. Then take your stand outside and fill it with
lead out there. I would not fill a stand inside of my house. Then
seal it on the top with more cloth or plastic or something.
Otherwise, get a clean, dry sand. Let it dry out in your house for
a few days before using it.
Some also use a fine grit aquarium gravel. Won't be as heavy as
lead, but it would definitely add mass.
Alan
Randy Howard
Brian L. McCarty (opera...@worldjazz.com) says...
> in article 1f07tjw.3gsc4i1cioxvkN%der...@mac.com, Eric Desrochers at
> der...@mac.com wrote on 24/9/01 15:33:
>
> > I think that lead might be more heavy than sand (good) but it would let
> > voids. Here is a solution : first fill with lead shots
>
McCarty's brain may have been dissolved by too much vitriol.
(Yes, I see the flaw in that argument).
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Tanel Kagan
>
> Use of lead in the home isn't very wise.
Maybe one could use asbestos powder instead....
Tanel.
Tickle
I've been on the cheap plonk....actually a decent and quite
perky and robust Chilean merlot, frisky, with a long after taste
sweet, full-bodied, and more than acceptable with a fish/pasta/
spiced veg dish.............
So my incoherent drunken contribution to this debate is..........
Stuff your speaker enclosures with nasal mucas (dried of course!)
Dandruff (collected immediately after your family have had their
morning shower.....I can't explain why, but dandruff always seems to
be so anti-resonnant when collected at this time of day?), add also
a full dubbing of discarded pubic hair (I've found that the pubic waste
of nubile blondes in the age group, 19-26 is ideal!) ...also try some
nail clippings to this mix!
Now it's time for bed to sleep off this nonsence I just said!!
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David Griffiths
Facitiousness aside .. IF the cabs themself are vibrating .. sand IS
the way to go .. even packed in bags. Now IF you are takling
conductivity to the floor .. there is an item called "domes of
silence" (yes, that IS the name .. LOL) that dampen that conductivity
.. they are mounted on the outside of the bottom of the cabinet, and
they DO work (I have them on PRO Earthquake cabinets to limit stage
conductivity .. and nail the 18's with 750 watts each!!) NO STAGE
rumble!!