What happened to Svetlana?
S. Rahaman
building one of Bob Danielak's designs using the SV811. Now I can't find
it or the SV300b. What happened to Svetalana? Are these tubes still
being made and are they available at all? Can anyone recommend
alternatives to the SV811-3, SV811-10 or SV300b? Thanks very much. -MR
TubeGarden
Fabio Berutti
former Svetlana US with the golden "S" logo covering a "P" (Cyrillic "R"),
showing that they were in fact produced by the Ryazan plant. I don't know
if they still manufacture this very peculiar tube, and AFAIK the "new"
Svetlana company doesn't market them. Maybe Mr. Carlson knows something
more about it.
They are different from any other triode I know (the original 811 has a Mu
of 160...) and have therefore no sub. As per the 300b, there's alot around,
from cheap Chinese to WE. Svetlanas are still available and are really a
close copy of the original, JJ/Tesla are a very good alternative.
Ciao
Fabio
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arizona cowboy
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please be careful when ordering Svetlana tubes, some very bad people called
"New Sensor Inc.", who are the distributor of Sovtek & Electro-Harmonix in
this country somehow have cheated Svetlana out of the US rights to their
name. Now this is very confusing for people like you and I who want the
great Svetlana quality, the tubes made in Saint Petersburg, rather than
being scammed ino unknowingly buying inferior "Sovtek" tubes, built in the
Reflektor plant and yet labeled as Svetlana.
I strongly recommend you boycott the brands "Sovtek" and "Electro-Harmonix",
and current tubes marked "Svetlana" which have the Svetlana red S markings
(which are just relabled Sovteks)
make sure you asked for "winged C" tubes, which is the logo found on the
true St. Petersburg Svetlanas, it is a "C" with a circle around it and lines
forming "wings".
Further, you may want to think twice about giving any business to tube
dealers who continue to sell the Sovtek & Electro Harmonix brands, as they
are indirectly supporting this despicable New Sensor company. Some firms
have no shame!
cowboy
Jim McShane
> please be careful when ordering Svetlana tubes,
> some very bad people called "New Sensor Inc.",
> who are the distributor of Sovtek &
> Electro-Harmonix in this country somehow have
> cheated Svetlana out of the US rights to their
> name.
You may not like what they did, but they obtained
the rights to the name when the previous US
distributor went belly up. It happens all the time. It
happened to many other tube companies too -
Raytheon, Hytron, Amperex (and it's "Bugle Boy"
trademark - which is now owned by Richardson
Electronics and so can be applied to any tube they
want). The bottom line is New Sensor didn't cheat
them (Svetlana) out of anything.
> Now this is very confusing for people like you
> and I who want the great Svetlana quality, the
> tubes made in Saint Petersburg, rather than
> being scammed ino unknowingly buying inferior
> "Sovtek" tubes, built in the Reflektor plant and
> yet labeled as Svetlana.
I agree it is confusing, but I don't agree that "Sovtek"
tubes are automatically inferior.
> I strongly recommend you boycott the brands
> "Sovtek" and "Electro-Harmonix", and current
> tubes marked "Svetlana" which have the Svetlana
> red S markings (which are just relabled Sovteks)
> make sure you asked for "winged C" tubes, which
> is the logo found on the true St. Petersburg
> Svetlanas, it is a "C" with a circle around it and lines
> forming "wings".
That's fine, it's just very difficult to do since that
eliminates the only source for some much needed tubes.
The people who own vintage receivers or guitar amps
that use the 7591 have no other choice; that's just one
example, there's more...
> Further, you may want to think twice about giving
> any business to tube dealers who continue to sell
> the Sovtek & Electro Harmonix brands, as they
> are indirectly supporting this despicable New
> Sensor company.
I sincerely wish they hadn't started using the Svetlana
name the way they do, but realize that without
New Sensor and the Russian tube factories they
own (or buy from) the tube availability picture would
be terrible today. NS has done some real great things
for tubies over the years. For instance, Svetlana farted
around with the 7591 tube for years, jerking everyone's
chain that they were "studying" production of the tube,
blah, blah, blah. NS went out and invested the funds
needed to build 'em! To be fair, let's give them credit
where credit is due.
So there's good and bad to the New Sensor story, like
most any other business. I really wish the Svetlana
name wasn't being used the way they do, but they have
every right to do it. Having said that, I will continue to
handle EH and Sovtek tubes. I don't feel as strongly
about this as you do, although I certainly do sympathize
and understand your position.
My $0.02 anyway.
Jim McShane
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Raymond Koonce
have found the EH300Bs to be quite good. Also, there's no equal for the
Sovtek 2A3. IMO, it beats NOS JAN RCAs hands down.
Raymond
Casino
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upcoming project (clone of Heathkit DX-35 but with 6550A instead of
6146 output).
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S. Rahaman
SV811. I had hoped to make a "winter" amp, (kicks out a lot of heat to warm the
house). Now I need a DHT that is happy with around 600vdc on the plates and can
put out around 20 watts push pull. Any suggestions? Any leads to the Ryazan
plant? Also, are the SV300B that are now available made in the same plant and of
the same quality of the old SV300B? I find it hard to beleive that Svetlana USA
went under. There tubes are great. How could they not be doing well? Its a
shame. Thanks for all of your help. -MR
Fabio Berutti
http://www.kolumbus.fi/flait/techzotic/ or
http://www.goldenmiddle.com/english/tube.htm , but I'm sure many fellow
rodents in the US have them, too.
You can tell the "real ones" out from the way the filaments ares suspended.
The Sovteks and most of Chinese use spiral springs, while the Svets (like
the original WE tube) use small cantilever springs; moreover, the top mica
plate has a peculiar triangular shape and is held against the glass bulb by
three small mica leaflets (again, like the original WE). The socket is
usually black bakelite, the classy white ceramic bottom was used only for
the tubes specially made for Svetlana US.
With the 300Bs You'll get the 20W PP (actually more, I suppose) at 450V B+,
but You'll need one more heater for Your room (the SV811 needs some 25W only
to fire up the filaments, while the 300B only takes 7-8W).
A second good and easily available choice is the KT88 or KT90, UL or triode.
It can take some 500V.
As a last chance, there are some "erotic" NOS transmitting triodes having
(more or less) the characteristics You need, like the 809 (30W) or the 808
(50W), but they cost a helluva $ and I sincerely don't know how good they
are for audio.
Should You manage to get some SV811 from Ryazan, please let us know.
Ciao
Fabio
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Richard S. McCown
This site is affiliated with PM components, and says they have Svet
300B.
I bought 100 power tubes going in through their UK door, (didn't know
they had the US page at the time) and they did a great job.
An invoice came airmail in three working days, and the tubes in 5
working days.
I paid more shipping than their flat rate $6.95 *or whatever it is* for
regular orders to the US. But this was a huge box, and they had cut me a
nice deal on the tubes.
The pricing is different on US and UK pages, I believe, to offset the
difference in shipping costs. So if you look at the UK page and subtract
17.5% VAT, that won't be the price to the US.
I don't know anything about Svet. tubes, or their matching, etc... so
ask your questions up front.
I don't know if there will be duty on a small box, mine was $22. on
approx. $370.
Miss Smith is great, and I'd do business with them again!
http://www.tube-shop.com/us/svetlana.asp
Greg Pierce
enlightened us with these pearls of wisdom:
True Svetlana tubes are still available from most dealers. I get them from
AES here in Tempe (the real ones, not relabled Sovtek rubbish).
As for the SV811 and SV572s... well... you have a problem. I don't know
if the Ryazan plant is still in operation - they were having major
financial woes the last I heard. Even if they are still in business they
would need a distributor to order a quantity of them in order to make
some. IIRC, New Sensor had acquired most of the remaining SV type
triodes, and they may still have some left. Your other option is to
convert your amp to use a 211, 845, GM70, or some other more available
tube. Otherwise, maybe Svetlana's current distributor can fork out
some money and have the Svet factory build some SV811 and SV572
types - they aren't a difficult tube to build.
Here is an interesting page to help anyone who wants to identify which
logos belong to which Russian tube plants:
http://www.ominous-valve.com/russtube.html
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Greg
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Lord Valve
arizona cowboy <el34ISMYUSERNAMEATcomcast.net> blithered in message
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>
> please be careful when ordering Svetlana tubes, some very bad people
called
> "New Sensor Inc.", who are the distributor of Sovtek & Electro-Harmonix in
> this country somehow have cheated Svetlana out of the US rights to their
> name.
Mike didn't cheat anyone out of anything. He bought the assets of a
bankrupt company, which included a trade name, logo, and some
graphics. He obtained them LEGALLY, and it is his right to use
them as he sees fit. In fact, your statement is libelous. Furthermore,
New Sensor isn't a "distributor." Mike Matthews *owns* Reflektor,
and the Electro-Harmonix trademark has belonged to him since he
started the company in the late sixties or early seventies.
> Now this is very confusing for people like you and I who want the
> great Svetlana quality, the tubes made in Saint Petersburg, rather than
> being scammed ino unknowingly buying inferior "Sovtek" tubes, built in the
> Reflektor plant and yet labeled as Svetlana.
In the case of the EL-34, it is an *entirely* new design, not
a re-labeled Reflektor, as anyone with at least one good eye
can tell in a few seconds. And it's not bad, either. In fact, I have
customers who prefer it over anything else. At $24 per pair,
they're hard to beat if they produce the results you enjoy. The
6550, however, appears to be identical to the Sovtek 6550WE.
(Which is, in fact, an excellent 6550.)
> I strongly recommend you boycott the brands "Sovtek" and
"Electro-Harmonix",
> and current tubes marked "Svetlana" which have the Svetlana red S markings
> (which are just relabled Sovteks)
Your recommendation will, of course, fall on deaf ears.
Unscrupulous *dealers* may well try to pull a fast one
on the uninformed, but Mike is entitled to use the trademark
and logo. It is up to the *dealer* to inform the customer
of the difference. And many of the EH-badged tubes
are *excellent*, such as the KT88-EH and the 6CA7-EH.
> make sure you asked for "winged C" tubes, which is the logo found on the
> true St. Petersburg Svetlanas, it is a "C" with a circle around it and
lines
> forming "wings".
"S.E.D." is the current nomenclature, according to the US
distributor, PM Components, and that's what now appears
on the boxes. The tubes themselves still carry the flying C.
>
> Further, you may want to think twice about giving any business to tube
> dealers who continue to sell the Sovtek & Electro Harmonix brands, as they
> are indirectly supporting this despicable New Sensor company.
Again, that is a libelous statement. I'd be careful about using this kind
of language if I were you. Mike has *lots* of lawyers. If it weren't for
New Sensor, you'd be dumpster diving for used tubes. The fact that
Mike keeps a steady stream of tubes available in PRODUCTION
QUANTITIES (this is *very* important) enables companies like Fender,
Peavey, Marshall, etc. to keep producing tube amplifiers. Whether you
like it or not, the tube business is almost *entirely* supported by the
demand from companies like those listed above; if they had to survive
on what the audiophools buy, they'd close up shop tomorrow.
> Some firms have no shame!
Funny, I don't see anything to be ashamed about. I've explained
to my customers *exactly* what I'm selling, and exactly where it
comes from. And I'm sellin' so many of 'em, I can't get them burned
in fast enough - I have an over 1,000 piece backlog as it is, and
I can burn 104 power tubes in every 48 hours.
> cowboy
I'm not a bit surprised. Git along, little doofus...
Next?
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> arizona cowboy <el34ISMYUSERNAMEATcomcast.net> blithered in message
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> >
> > please be careful when ordering Svetlana tubes, some very bad people
> called
> > "New Sensor Inc.", who are the distributor of Sovtek & Electro-Harmonix
in
> > this country somehow have cheated Svetlana out of the US rights to their
> > name.
> Mike didn't cheat anyone out of anything. He bought the assets of a
> bankrupt company, which included a trade name, logo, and some
> graphics. He obtained them LEGALLY, and it is his right to use
> them as he sees fit. In fact, your statement is libelous. Furthermore,
> New Sensor isn't a "distributor." Mike Matthews *owns* Reflektor,
> and the Electro-Harmonix trademark has belonged to him since he
> started the company in the late sixties or early seventies.
>
There's a huge difference 'tween "legal" and, to avoid using "ethical",
*"good"*. Buyin' up names of dead co's, and re-labeling existing products
with that name, is a shitty practice, with an obvious intent - to deceive.
Yeah, it's legal, but only 'cos no one with enough $$$$$$$$ bothered to
contest it in court. There's definite "intent to defraud".
Gosh, why would such an upstandin' feller' need to retain a flock of hired
guns? And, AFAIK, a statement needs to be both provably false & damaging in
a way which could be documented to be "libelous". "Mike" would have to be
pretty stupid to take a case like this to court, not only 'coz the case will
never see the light of day, not only 'cos he'd loose it, but the publicity
such a case would generate... What fun!
>If it weren't for
> New Sensor, you'd be dumpster diving for used tubes.
Ye'r kidding.
>The fact that
> Mike keeps a steady stream of tubes available in PRODUCTION
> QUANTITIES (this is *very* important) enables companies like Fender,
> Peavey, Marshall, etc. to keep producing tube amplifiers. Whether you
> like it or not, the tube business is almost *entirely* supported by the
> demand from companies like those listed above; if they had to survive
> on what the audiophools buy, they'd close up shop tomorrow.
>
While it's true that gguit' amp Co.'s make tube manufacture more profitable,
don't you think someone other than "Mike" would have figured out the
potential of forming close ties with toob co's? That's a bit like saying
that without bill gates there'd be no PC's... Silly.
> > Some firms have no shame!
> Funny, I don't see anything to be ashamed about. I've explained
> to my customers *exactly* what I'm selling, and exactly where it
> comes from. And I'm sellin' so many of 'em, I can't get them burned
> in fast enough - I have an over 1,000 piece backlog as it is, and
> I can burn 104 power tubes in every 48 hours.
But... This is not entirely about you. While you may (and I don't doubt it)
explain to your buyers exactly what they're getting, I'm not at all sure
that other distributors go to such lengths. I'm sure that when Joe Player
walks into his music store to buy a set of Svetlanas off the shelf, there
may be a kid behind the cash register who won't go into the fascinating
Svetlana tale before ringin' the toobs up. 'Till "Mike" started buyin' up
names, no story was needed... Just try to entertain the notion that there
may be some folks out there who think that a toob labeled "Svetlana" is
actually made at the Svetlana plant. My bet is that there are a few...
-dim
TubeGarden
Please, gents, none of us has exclusive knowledge or ownership of honesty and
decency. Not even Western Electric ...
Any given tube is some metal and glass and chemicals. and a lump of nothing
formed into a vacuum, more or less, inside the tube. Some of them work for a
while, some get trashed without ever getting a chance to be all that they could
have been.
Business is just about money. Just wipe your butt with it and flush it, it
ain't ever a secret gate to Heaven.
Writing insulting prose about the wretched demons that swap tubes for glitter
is not in any sense providing light in a dark place.
If any of us are able to put a few tubes together and make music for a little
while, there is hope for all who live.
If all we are able to do is complain and condemn, it doesn't matter if we are
right or wrong, this is Hell and we are damned for all eternity.
Money is not nice. Talk about it elsewhere. The difference between ethical and
legal is only important to those who cannot hear the music. Fuck 'em.
This sacred space is for those of us who would hear tubes sing, wholesale, or
retail, or Absolutely Free ;)
Choky
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> Hi RATs!
>
> Please, gents, none of us has exclusive knowledge or ownership of honesty
and
>
hehe,
except ZM-he has all that...........
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Choky wrote:
> "TubeGarden" <tubeg...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>>Hi RATs!
>>
>>Please, gents, none of us has exclusive knowledge or ownership of honesty
>
> and
>
>>decency. Not even Western Electric ..................
>>
>
> hehe,
> except ZM-he has all that...........
> [...]
... even more than that, he has humility! ;-)
Cheers,
Fred
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> S. Rahaman wrote:
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>> being made and are they available at all? Can anyone recommend
>> alternatives to the SV811-3, SV811-10 or SV300b? Thanks very much. -MR
>>
> New sensor has them.
How about SV572-3? Does anybody know if they are still in production and
obtainable in job quantities?
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Greg Pierce
enlightened us with these pearls of wisdom:
> Philip Lawrence <philhar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> S. Rahaman wrote:
>
> [skipped]
>
>>> being made and are they available at all? Can anyone recommend
>>> alternatives to the SV811-3, SV811-10 or SV300b? Thanks very much. -MR
>>>
>> New sensor has them.
>
> How about SV572-3? Does anybody know if they are still in production and
> obtainable in job quantities?
New Sensor apparently has some 572-3s in stock for $116 each (gee, they
used to be $60 or so).
To my knowledge, none of the "Svetlana" tubes made at Ryazan are still in
production. It is possible that New Sensor has gotten tem to start making
them, but I doubt it - I don't even know if the Ryazan plant is still in
business...