EGGHEADS CAUGHT BULLSHITTING - ROFLMBFAO!
Lord Valve
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html
The Boston Herald weighs in -
http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1213483&srvc=business&position=recent
Gosh, this is *ever* so shocking - I mean, who knew?
Oops, I mean, who *didn't* know? Evidently, just the
pack of Green Weenies, Watermelons and Ecotards
who infect these sorry-ass boards...
'Scuse me, I gotta go laugh now...toodle-oo, pip-pip, etc.
OK, commence spinning.
Lord Valve
Globally Cool
Claude V. Lucas
Lefturd "scientists" suppressing contrary data and shouting down dissent?
How can this be possible in the Enlightened Era of the Great Change?
It must be George Bush's fault somehow.
Here's another, direct from New Pravda^H^H^H^H^H^H er, CBS.
<http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/26/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5117890.shtml>
"The administrator and the administration has decided to move forward...
and your comments do not help the legal or policy case for this decision."
That one was kind of buried...
Mike Pritchard
I think it's pretty obvious we're in uncharted territory....and
right now, no one knows what's going to happen with certainty.
I think it's also pretty obvious...while humans may not be the *sole* cause of global warming, we are having an impact on how fast things are changing.
Thos who deny things are changing, regardless of the cause, are the real loonies...
http://rawstory.com/2009/11/global-warming-sped-kyoto-scientists/
Fasten your seatbelts, because humans are in for a ride....
Mike
RickH
> Even the New York Slimes can't spin this one away -
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html
>
> The Boston Herald weighs in -
>
>
> Gosh, this is *ever* so shocking - I mean, who knew?
> Oops, I mean, who *didn't* know? Evidently, just the
> pack of Green Weenies, Watermelons and Ecotards
> who infect these sorry-ass boards...
>
> 'Scuse me, I gotta go laugh now...toodle-oo, pip-pip, etc.
>
> OK, commence spinning.
>
> Lord Valve
> Globally Cool
RickH
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html
>
> The Boston Herald weighs in -
>
>
> Gosh, this is *ever* so shocking - I mean, who knew?
> Oops, I mean, who *didn't* know? Evidently, just the
> pack of Green Weenies, Watermelons and Ecotards
> who infect these sorry-ass boards...
>
> 'Scuse me, I gotta go laugh now...toodle-oo, pip-pip, etc.
>
> OK, commence spinning.
>
> Lord Valve
> Globally Cool
TPS
> Lord Valve wrote:
> > Even the New York Slimes can't spin this one away -
>
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html
>
> > The Boston Herald weighs in -
>
>
> > Gosh, this is *ever* so shocking - I mean, who knew?
> > Oops, I mean, who *didn't* know? Evidently, just the
> > pack of Green Weenies, Watermelons and Ecotards
> > who infect these sorry-ass boards...
>
> > 'Scuse me, I gotta go laugh now...toodle-oo, pip-pip, etc.
>
> > OK, commence spinning.
>
> > Lord Valve
> > Globally Cool
>
> I think it's pretty obvious we're in uncharted territory....and right now, no one knows what's going to
> happen with certainty.
>
> I think it's also pretty obvious...while humans may not be the *sole* cause of global warming, we are
> having an impact on how fast things are changing.
>
> Thos who deny things are changing, regardless of the cause, are the real loonies...
>
> http://rawstory.com/2009/11/global-warming-sped-kyoto-scientists/
>
> Fasten your seatbelts, because humans are in for a ride....
>
> Mike
Boy howdy, Willie! It looks like you've found the "fake birth
certificate" of the global warming debate.
Lord Valve
>
>
> Lord Valve wrote:
>
>> Even the New York Slimes can't spin this one away -
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html
>>
>> The Boston Herald weighs in -
>>
>> http://www.bostonherald.com/bu
>> iness/general/view.bg?articleid=1213483&srvc=business&position=recent
>>
>> Gosh, this is *ever* so shocking - I mean, who knew?
>> Oops, I mean, who *didn't* know? Evidently, just the
>> pack of Green Weenies, Watermelons and Ecotards
>> who infect these sorry-ass boards...
>>
>> 'Scuse me, I gotta go laugh now...toodle-oo, pip-pip, etc.
>>
>> OK, commence spinning.
>>
>> Lord Valve
>> Globally Cool
>
>
> I think it's pretty obvious we're in uncharted territory....and right
> now, no one knows what's going to happen with certainty.
>
> I think it's also pretty obvious...while humans may not be the *sole*
> cause of global warming, we are having an impact on how fast things are
> changing.
>
> Thos who deny things are changing, regardless of the cause, are the real
> loonies...
>
> http://rawstory.com/2009/11/global-warming-sped-kyoto-scientists/
>
> Fasten your seatbelts, because humans are in for a ride....
>
> Mike
...in which we see the first tenative steps of the Ecotard/Green-Weenie
Shuffle...
Lord Valve
Globally Cool
Lord Valve
Well, shit - sun, planet, moon...pretty close to equivalent, ain't they?
I mean, they rotate (mostly) and have orbits and stuff...what's
a few million degrees between friends? Well within the
"fudge zone" in which the Green Weenies and Ecotards
dwell, I'm sure...
Lord Valve
Globally Cool
Lord Valve
LA Times: "NEENER NEENER NEENER!" (Eyes closed, hands over ears, and sporting a huge clothespin upon its massive
leftwing schnozz...)
"Science," you see, only matters when the conclusions are
politically correct, or when access to grant money is in the
balance. There's "good" science and "bad" science.
Sorta like that whole "Jewish Physics" thing the Third
Reich's boys cooked up...and remember, the current
hustle is largely perpetrated by the same crew that
was screaming bloody murder that a new Ice Age
was imminent, we were all gonna freeze if we didn't
do something...and that was only 30 years ago. When
we didn't freeze, they hadda change the rules, so...
now we're gonna burn. Hey, is it hot in here, or is it
just me? Hmmmm....
Lord Valve
Globally Cool
Lord Valve
Extra Gaia Greenpoints (TM) for the first Weenie to find the typo...
Lord Valve
Globally Cool
Ouroboros Rex
> Even the New York Slimes can't spin this one away -
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html
>
>
> The Boston Herald weighs in -
>
> http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1213483&srvc=business&position=recent
So someone wants to kick Pat Michaels' ass, big whoop. So when do we get
to the scandal part?
Mr Soul
would say that it doesn't.
Mr Soul
Don Pearce
wrote:
>These emails are unimportant. Global warming exists and only a fool
>would say that it doesn't.
>
>Mr Soul
Cooling, not warming. The global temperature has been dropping for the
last ten years.
d
Lord Valve
> These emails are unimportant. Global warming exists and only a fool
> would say that it doesn't.
>
> Mr Shoe
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! I am the Great and
Powerful Gore!"
Sucker.
Lord Valve
Globally Cool
Peter Wieck
First, you are dead right on that sentiment. On the other hand, don't
try reason or fact - Valve is impervious to either.
Note that his boss Andre and his various proxies are stuttering again.
On the assumption that any reasonable person will simply give up and
go away leaving
them with the last word. What is so sad is that they are so caught up
in having the LAST WORD in a tiny little backwater of Usenet with
about as much potential for impact on the entire world as they have
for bettering their own sad, limited, empty little lives. Let it
rest.
You will be giving them a gift of momentary victory - more than they
have any right to expect and more than they deserve but none-the-less
a gift.
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
The battles are so vicious because the stakes are so small.
p.s.: Note that this is almost identical to another post to another
thread directed at those trying to reason with Mr. Jute - Jute and
Valve are cut from the same cloth although not at all similar. Valve
works for a living and so commands a certain amount of respect
accorded to anyone making his own way in life and expressing his own
feelings however unsupported. Jute is a remitttance man and entirely
self-invented, a legend in his own mind and who will leave a huge
vacuum when the Planet is no longer burdened with his august presence.
Writing for myself, I just piddle along playing with tubes here and
there, listening to the music and actually living life as it offers -
which it does each and every day to my great and very nearly
continuous enjoyment.
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Lord Valve
Gosh, that sounds a whole lot like this:
"I looked into your flimsy allegations on Jim Johnson & they don't hold
up. He's not a real estate operator either. In fact, he has a rather
distinquished career." - Mr. Shoe, 7/10/08 -
That held up well, did it not? ROFLMBFAO!
Lord Valve
Globally Cool
Lord Valve
> On Nov 23, 4:34 pm, Mr Soul <pc...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > These emails are unimportant. Global warming exists and only a fool
> > would say that it doesn't.
> >
> > Mr Soul
>
> First, you are dead right on that sentiment.
Mr. Shoe hasn't been dead right about anything since the hippie days, which
- for him - are not yet over...
> On the other hand, don't
> try reason or fact - Valve is impervious to either.
I'm a bulletproof motherfucker, aye, 'tis true. Fire away, ye wankers.
> Note that his boss Andre and his various proxies are stuttering again.
> On the assumption that any reasonable person will simply give up and
> go away leaving
> them with the last word. What is so sad is that they are so caught up
> in having the LAST WORD in a tiny little backwater of Usenet with
> about as much potential for impact on the entire world as they have
> for bettering their own sad, limited, empty little lives. Let it
> rest.
Information-dense translation: "Shut up before they smack our asses flat."
> You will be giving them a gift of momentary victory - more than they
> have any right to expect and more than they deserve but none-the-less
> a gift.
Mr Shoe can no more stifle himself than Billy Blowjob Clinton can cease
fornicating.
> Peter Wieck
> Melrose Park, PA
>
> The battles are so vicious because the stakes are so small.
>
> p.s.: Note that this is almost identical to another post to another
> thread directed at those trying to reason with Mr. Jute - Jute and
> Valve are cut from the same cloth although not at all similar. Valve
> works for a living and so commands a certain amount of respect
> accorded to anyone making his own way in life and expressing his own
> feelings however unsupported. Jute is a remitttance man and entirely
> self-invented, a legend in his own mind and who will leave a huge
> vacuum when the Planet is no longer burdened with his august presence.
>
> Writing for myself, I just piddle along playing with tubes here and
> there, listening to the music and actually living life as it offers -
> which it does each and every day to my great and very nearly
> continuous enjoyment.
>
> Peter Wieck
> Melrose Park, PA
Jute has owned you for so many years you don't feel the chains anymore.
Soar on, free bird. Soar on, and empty your cloacal loads
of concentrated sour upon those poor misbegotten fools
who have figured out what you are. After all...they deserve it,
do they not?
Lord Valve
Globally Cool
Dave
> Valve works for a living and so commands a certain amount of respect
> accorded to anyone making his own way in life and expressing his own
> feelings however unsupported.
Fooey on that. While everyone is entitled to an opinion, respect comes from
support of that opinion, in a logical and reasoned way. "Because" doesn't
count. Besides, LV isn't really expressing an opinion, or even concerned
with truth, he's playng a childish game of "gotcha", and failing.
TPS
It looks like those Gaia Greenpoints go to you, Willie.
Trevor Wilson
**Tsk, tsk. Regurgitating a lie does not make it the truth. Repeat after me:
* 1998 was an unusually warm, El Nino year.
* The temperature TREND is the important thing, not individual, yearly
variations.
* 13 of the last 14 years have been the warmest on record.
* The TREND of rising temperature levels is clear (to scientists).
* Do not listen to the religious nutters. Pay attention to the scientists.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
Don Pearce
Still got those stars going on, wrecking the threading. Please drop
them. Use the protocol.
Heard the latest from here? A load of leaked emails detailing massaged
figures, hidden embarrassing data etc. The shit has hit the fan for
the global warming lobby.
d
Peter Wieck
Mpffff.... you miss the point. Valve (no self-respecting, self-aware
American would claim nobility even in humor, so drop the 'lord'
affectation) is impervious to logic, consistency and reason. Claims to
be an "American" yet affects a noble title. Claims to be "globally
cool" yet is massively ignorant on any aspect of climate and how it
gets to be the way it is. And this surprises you? Such an opponent is
worthy of confrontation? Challenge? Debate? YIKES! You are as bad as
he is. Invincible ignorance is exactly that. And invincible ignorance
coupled with a basic honesty - Valve is honestly unable to help
himself - is truly impevious to reason.
Reasonable individuals have no viable option but sequestration - allow
those of like mind to engage in a group-grope - where the only harm
they do is if/when the outside world chooses to engage with them.
Don't engage. Eventually incest leads to permanently fatal results -
and that is their pursuit and goal without input from reality.
WB
> OK, commence spinning.
>
>
Geez ..
Your right.
They are right !
This is no longer an issue in my mind.
( that is ... your constant whining ).
Andre Jute
> Even the New York Slimes can't spin this one away -
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html
>
> The Boston Herald weighs in -
>
>
> Gosh, this is *ever* so shocking - I mean, who knew?
> Oops, I mean, who *didn't* know? Evidently, just the
> pack of Green Weenies, Watermelons and Ecotards
> who infect these sorry-ass boards...
>
> 'Scuse me, I gotta go laugh now...toodle-oo, pip-pip, etc.
>
> OK, commence spinning.
>
> Lord Valve
> Globally Cool
Hey, don't sound so pleased. I'm a cyclist. I was looking forward to
all those hi-temp days those lying bastards of the Global Warming
Church promised me. Lying scumbags musta believed the Scientology
overinflation of their intelligence quotients. They sure as hell got
global warming out of a mucky teacup.
Andre Jute
Global Warming is like Scientology, only with less science -- and I
said it long before the Hadley Hack exposed those clowns as crooks
Andre Jute
Worthless Wiecky c/o the Global Warming Graveyard:
> Jute has owned you for so many years you don't feel the chains anymore.
I do? I thought I drowned him in a barrel together with some other
disgusting slugs. It must be my ersatz version of Worthless which I
bring out every Halloween that you saw at the boneyard.
Andre Jute
No real corpses were harmed in the assembly of my golem Worthless
Wieckless. I made him by stuffing a cow's bladder with pig offal. --
CE Certificate of Conformity/-/Items unfit for human consumption
RichL
Is tenative anything like fiveative?
adminattubezone.net
>
> OK, commence spinning.
Here ya go...
"Still: I don't know how you get from some scientist having sexed up a
graph in East Anglia ten years ago to The Final Nail In The Coffin of
Anthropogenic Global Warming. Anyone who comes to that connection has
more screws loose than the Space Shuttle Challenger. And yet that's
literally what some of these bloggers are saying!"
Grasping at straws, sounds like.
Mr Soul
> last ten years.
Mr Soul
Mr Soul
> * The temperature TREND is the important thing, not individual, yearly
> variations.
> * 13 of the last 14 years have been the warmest on record.
> * The TREND of rising temperature levels is clear (to scientists).
> * Do not listen to the religious nutters. Pay attention to the scientists.
Mr Soul
Mr Soul
> figures, hidden embarrassing data etc. The shit has hit the fan for
> the global warming lobby.
years old. You right-wing-nuts find some old emails & you think
you've found some kind of smokin' gun.
Mr Soul
Don Pearce
wrote:
>> Heard the latest from here? A load of leaked emails detailing massaged
The ones that are out of date, or say nothing can be ignored. There
are plenty enough that are current, from environmental scientists, and
suggesting ways of hiding data, doing "tricks" on the maths etc to be
damning. And fyi, I am not of the right wing.
d
Mr Soul
> are plenty enough that are current, from environmental scientists, and
> suggesting ways of hiding data, doing "tricks" on the maths etc to be
> damning. And fyi, I am not of the right wing.
(except I don't recall any of them saying the Earth is cooling).
Perhaps you should read this - it's from the EPA -
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/fq/science.html#q6
Mr Soul
Don Pearce
wrote:
>> The ones that are out of date, or say nothing can be ignored. There
Truth has nothing to do with political leanings - there are liars and
personal interests on both sides of that fence. And it is a fact that
the earth is currently in a cooling cycle. That is a part of what
these emails are seeking to conceal.
The method goes thus. First deny totally. Then when the facts emerge,
claim that the readings are anomalies, and normal warming will be
resumed. Anything, in fact, apart from admitting the data.
This all a travesty of science. Real scientists put their data and
theories out there, and seek refutation by other scientists. They even
include methods of refutation alongside their theories to make life
easier. This called a falsifiable theory, and it is the only kind that
carries any scientific weight or credibility. What we have in AGW is a
situation where there is a quasi-religious position that may not be
denied on pain of loss of tenure, job, livelihood. This is NOT
science, it is pure totalitarian politics.
d
Mr Soul
> personal interests on both sides of that fence. And it is a fact that
> the earth is currently in a cooling cycle. That is a part of what
> these emails are seeking to conceal.
you continue to confuse politics with science.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091026/ap_on_bi_ge/us_sci_global_cooling
AP IMPACT: Statisticians reject global cooling
"WASHINGTON – Have you heard that the world is now cooling instead of
warming? You may have seen some news reports on the Internet or heard
about it from a provocative new book. Only one problem: It's not true,
according to an analysis of the numbers done by several independent
statisticians for The Associated Press.
..."
> This all a travesty of science. Real scientists put their data and
> theories out there, and seek refutation by other scientists. They even
> include methods of refutation alongside their theories to make life
> easier. This called a falsifiable theory, and it is the only kind that
> carries any scientific weight or credibility. What we have in AGW is a
> situation where there is a quasi-religious position that may not be
> denied on pain of loss of tenure, job, livelihood. This is NOT
> science, it is pure totalitarian politics.
Prove this statement. The scientists who study global climate change
are for the most part, non-political.
Mr Soul
Don Pearce
wrote:
>> Truth has nothing to do with political leanings - there are liars and
>> personal interests on both sides of that fence. And it is a fact that
>> the earth is currently in a cooling cycle. That is a part of what
>> these emails are seeking to conceal.
>No - it is NOT fact. You continue not to back up your claims. And
>you continue to confuse politics with science.
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091026/ap_on_bi_ge/us_sci_global_cooling
>
>AP IMPACT: Statisticians reject global cooling
>
>"WASHINGTON � Have you heard that the world is now cooling instead of
>warming? You may have seen some news reports on the Internet or heard
>about it from a provocative new book. Only one problem: It's not true,
>according to an analysis of the numbers done by several independent
>statisticians for The Associated Press.
>
>..."
No, you don't see analysis by independent statisticians. They are not
part of the Club of the Orthodoxy. And think about that word -
"analyse". You take some raw data that shows a fall, then subject it
to "analysis" by people who toe the Line of the Orthodoxy, and as if
by magic the numbers are all headed upwards. Makes you want to spit.
>
>> This all a travesty of science. Real scientists put their data and
>> theories out there, and seek refutation by other scientists. They even
>> include methods of refutation alongside their theories to make life
>> easier. This called a falsifiable theory, and it is the only kind that
>> carries any scientific weight or credibility. What we have in AGW is a
>> situation where there is a quasi-religious position that may not be
>> denied on pain of loss of tenure, job, livelihood. This is NOT
>> science, it is pure totalitarian politics.
>Prove this statement. The scientists who study global climate change
>are for the most part, non-political.
>
The ones who are allowed to be heard are those who toe the Line of the
Orthodoxy. Those who say otherwise are marginalized and silenced. This
is NOT how science is supposed to work.
d
Mr Soul
> Globally Cool
Hate to disapoint you Slick, but the Earth is warming up -
And if the Earth is really cooling down, as you right-wingnuts claim,
then what happen to your big argument about Mars warming up? Is
argument that now out the door?
There's SO much evidence to support global warming. Even where I live
in NH, it's well documented that the seasonal length of certain plants
is several weeks longer than it used to be. Some of Thoreau's
botanical work has been used to verify this.
Sorry guys - you are wrong this time!
Mr Soul
Don Pearce
wrote:
>> Lord Valve
>> Globally Cool
>Hate to disapoint you Slick, but the Earth is warming up -
>
>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/20/hacked-hadley-emails-hottest-decade-on-record-and-the-oceans-planet-keep-warming/.
>
>And if the Earth is really cooling down, as you right-wingnuts claim,
>then what happen to your big argument about Mars warming up? Is
>argument that now out the door?
>
Brilliant piece of reasoning! I'm convinced you have now made third
grade.
>There's SO much evidence to support global warming. Even where I live
>in NH, it's well documented that the seasonal length of certain plants
>is several weeks longer than it used to be. Some of Thoreau's
>botanical work has been used to verify this.
>
>Sorry guys - you are wrong this time!
>
Well, where I live it is 2 degrees colder today than it was yesterday.
So that means in just over four months the temperature here will hit
absolute zero. Right? Your reasoning in this paragraph is no better
than that in your first.
Go away for a while and learn how to argue. You reason like a
Christian right now.
d
Arny Krueger
message news:7n0hrvF...@mid.individual.net
> Don Pearce wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:34:28 -0800 (PST), Mr Soul
>> <pc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> These emails are unimportant. Global warming exists
>>> and only a fool would say that it doesn't.
>>>
>>> Mr Soul
>>
>> Cooling, not warming. The global temperature has been
>> dropping for the last ten years.
Well, around here temperature has probably been rising. About 30 years ago I
bought a pair of cross-country skis and used them for about 10 years in
nearby places. There hasn't been enough snow around here for at least 15
years to make them worthwhile, even to enthusiasts. But that's all short
term noise in the cosmic scheme of things.
When you start talking about making changes involving thousands of billions
of dollars, you need more evidence than just some short-term variations.
> **Tsk, tsk. Regurgitating a lie does not make it the
> truth.
Many of us know that you've apparently unknowingly done that many times in
the past, Trevor.
> Repeat after me:
> * 1998 was an unusually warm, El Nino year.
> * The temperature TREND is the important thing, not
> individual, yearly variations.
> * 13 of the last 14 years have been the warmest on record.
> * The TREND of rising temperature levels is clear (to
> scientists).
Given that something simple, well-known, gross, and relevant like sunspots
has an 22 year cycle - what sort of conclusion can reasonably be formed with
14 years worth of data? Normally that would be a rhetorical question, but
given the circumstance I feel obliged to answer it with a resounding
"NONE!".
> * Do not listen to the religious nutters. Pay attention
> to the scientists.
Good advice that Trevor has a poor track record for following when the
"religious nutters" hide under a cloak of pseudo-science.
Arny Krueger
news:F6KdnSvwE-Z_cJbW...@giganews.com
> Given that something simple, well-known, gross, and
> relevant like sunspots has an 22 year cycle - what sort
> of conclusion can reasonably be formed with 14 years
> worth of data? Normally that would be a rhetorical
> question, but given the circumstance I feel obliged to
> answer it with a resounding "NONE!".
Correct that - 11 years for the sunspot cycle. There's also a magnetic
cycle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunspot
Mr Soul
Thanks.
Mr Soul
Mr Soul
> grade.
Earth might be warming up. This wasn't my reasoning. But I agree
that the right-wingnuts have about a 3rd grade mentality.
> Go away for a while and learn how to argue. You reason like a
> Christian right now.
I am willing to bet that you are a right-wing, Christian
fundamentalist. Prove me wrong.
Why do you continue to not provide us with the evidence that the Earth
is cooling down?
Mr Soul
Don Pearce
wrote:
>Don - can you please show us the evidence of the Earth cooling down.
>Thanks.
>
>Mr Soul
Dunno if I can be bothered to find it again; Google for it. But while
you are looking, here is some stuff from what climatologists consider
key indicators. First the temperature history of central Greenland:
http://westinstenv.org/wp-content/postimage/Easterbrook_graph.jpg
This is part of the Easterbrook projection which seems to backed by
rather better science than most, untainted as it is by political
manoeuvering. You can see an abstract of a paper here:
It only attempts to predict the next thirty years or so, and frankly
anyone trying to go beyond that is talking through his hat.
Also of interest is a graph showing, in some detail, CO2 level and
global temperature since 2002.
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/CRUMSUCO2June.jpg
Read the quick facts and follow the links:
http://www.isthereglobalwarming.com/
that'll do for now. You really do need to research more widely. If the
only authorities you consult are those on the Bandwagon of Orthodoxy,
you will learn nothing about the Earth's climate, but plenty about the
political climate. Get yourself out of the morass of green-upmanship
before you sink.
d
Don Pearce
wrote:
>> Brilliant piece of reasoning! I'm convinced you have now made third
>> grade.
>Don - the right-wingnuts used Mars warming as evidence on why the
>Earth might be warming up. This wasn't my reasoning. But I agree
>that the right-wingnuts have about a 3rd grade mentality.
>
>> Go away for a while and learn how to argue. You reason like a
>> Christian right now.
>I am willing to bet that you are a right-wing, Christian
>fundamentalist. Prove me wrong.
>
In your world you are right. How could you be otherwise?
>Why do you continue to not provide us with the evidence that the Earth
>is cooling down?
>
Done in another post. The only evidence you have to the contrary is
politically tainted beyond credibility.
d
Dave
> Hey, don't sound so pleased. I'm a cyclist. I was looking forward to
> all those hi-temp days those lying bastards of the Global Warming
> Church promised me. Lying scumbags musta believed the Scientology
> overinflation of their intelligence quotients. They sure as hell got
> global warming out of a mucky teacup.
I'm not sure if you're a lying-bastard-fuel-industry stooge, or a rebel
whose only cause is stroking his own ego with fallacious dissent. What's
funny is your arrogant reference to the "Global Warming Church." The vast
majority of scientists agree that GW IS happening, and that there IS a human
component to it. You're the religious zealot ignoring and twisting science
to suit your agenda, either for personal gain or latent adolescent
nonconformity.
Bill Sornson
Just saying it's so doesn't make it so.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/24/hiding-evidence-of-global-cooling/
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=513195
Face it, losers: the wheels are (finally) coming off the Church of Global
Warming Alarmism bandwagon.
Bill "better late than TOO late" S.
Ouroboros Rex
> Even the New York Slimes can't spin this one away -
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html
>
>
> The Boston Herald weighs in -
>
>
>
>
>
> Gosh, this is *ever* so shocking - I mean, who knew?
> Oops, I mean, who *didn't* know? Evidently, just the
> pack of Green Weenies, Watermelons and Ecotards
> who infect these sorry-ass boards...
>
> 'Scuse me, I gotta go laugh now...toodle-oo, pip-pip, etc.
>
> OK, commence spinning.
We'll wait for the first actual wrongdoing to be exposed. Day 4 and
counting, IIRC. lol
Ouroboros Rex
> On Nov 23, 9:47 am, Lord Valve <detri...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> Even the New York Slimes can't spin this one away -
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html
>>
>> The Boston Herald weighs in -
>>
>>
>> Gosh, this is *ever* so shocking - I mean, who knew?
>> Oops, I mean, who *didn't* know? Evidently, just the
>> pack of Green Weenies, Watermelons and Ecotards
>> who infect these sorry-ass boards...
>>
>> 'Scuse me, I gotta go laugh now...toodle-oo, pip-pip, etc.
>>
>> OK, commence spinning.
>>
>> Globally Cool
>
>
> http://newsbusters.org/
Sorry, right wing lie site.
Ouroboros Rex
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:34:28 -0800 (PST), Mr Soul <pc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> These emails are unimportant. Global warming exists and only a fool
>> would say that it doesn't.
>>
>> Mr Soul
>
> Cooling, not warming. The global temperature has been dropping for the
> last ten years.
Ridiculous lie.
Ouroboros Rex
>> after me:
>>
>> * 1998 was an unusually warm, El Nino year.
>> * The temperature TREND is the important thing, not individual,
>> yearly variations.
>> * 13 of the last 14 years have been the warmest on record.
>> * The TREND of rising temperature levels is clear (to scientists).
>> scientists.
>
> them. Use the protocol.
>
> Heard the latest from here? A load of leaked emails detailing massaged
> figures, hidden embarrassing data etc. The shit has hit the fan for
> the global warming lobby.
Sorry, still no wrongdoing shown. lol
Ouroboros Rex
>
> Btw, for all the concentration on emails, when unzipped the emails
> comprise less than 5% of the data.
>
> And I have yet to see a media source ponder why the file was labeled
> FOI2009.zip that decompresses to FOIA.
>
> Go to http://www.climateaudit.org/ if you want some clues about what's
> really going on. They'll also explain what "Mike's nature trick" is.
>
> McIntyre and McKitrick are also who exposed the Mann hockey stick
> fraud.
>
> http://www.climateaudit.org/?page_id=354
> http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/trc.html
Sorry, denailist lie sites.
>
> Back on FOIA, take a gander here
>
> http://www.climateaudit.org/?cat=53
Sorry, denialist lie sites.
> http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=6825
>
> The 'hacked' (leaked?) data appeared almost synchronously with their
> (and others) 'rejected' FOIA requests.
>
> ClimateAudit are not the only ones CRU has been withholding data from
Why shouldn't data be withheld from bought and paid for liars?
landotter
> Dave wrote:
> > Andre Jute wrote:
> >> Hey, don't sound so pleased. I'm a cyclist. I was looking forward to
> >> all those hi-temp days those lying bastards of the Global Warming
> >> Church promised me. Lying scumbags musta believed the Scientology
> >> overinflation of their intelligence quotients. They sure as hell got
> >> global warming out of a mucky teacup.
>
> > I'm not sure if you're a lying-bastard-fuel-industry stooge, or a
> > rebel whose only cause is stroking his own ego with fallacious
> > dissent. What's funny is your arrogant reference to the "Global
> > Warming Church." The vast majority of scientists agree that GW IS
> > happening, and that there IS a human component to it. You're the
> > religious zealot ignoring and twisting science to suit your agenda,
> > either for personal gain or latent adolescent nonconformity.
>
> Just saying it's so doesn't make it so.
>
A blog claims that there is a smoking gun, but doesn't provide any
sort of evidence. FAIL.
>
> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/24/hiding-evidence-of-gl...
An unsigned editorial from the Moonie owned Times is also hysterical
without presenting any shred of damning evidence of a conspiracy.
>
> http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=513195
OK, a third opinion piece that's also unsigned foments further right
wing authoritarian hysteria...again with no evidence.
>
> Face it, losers: the wheels are (finally) coming off the Church of Global
> Warming Alarmism bandwagon.
>
But you've provided no evidence, simply links to hysterical op/eds.
Ouroboros Rex
Nope, not yet. So far, they haven't found any wrongdoing whatsoever.
Ouroboros Rex
Made-up crazyassed crap.
Ouroboros Rex
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:51:01 -0800 (PST), Mr Soul <pc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>> Truth has nothing to do with political leanings - there are liars
>>> and personal interests on both sides of that fence. And it is a
>>> fact that the earth is currently in a cooling cycle. That is a part
>>> of what these emails are seeking to conceal.
>> No - it is NOT fact. You continue not to back up your claims. And
>> you continue to confuse politics with science.
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091026/ap_on_bi_ge/us_sci_global_cooling
>>
>> AP IMPACT: Statisticians reject global cooling
>>
>> warming? You may have seen some news reports on the Internet or heard
>> about it from a provocative new book. Only one problem: It's not
>> true, according to an analysis of the numbers done by several
>> independent statisticians for The Associated Press.
>>
>> ..."
>
> No, you don't see analysis by independent statisticians.
That's it, right above. Who do you think you're fooling? lol
They are not
> part of the Club of the Orthodoxy. And think about that word -
> "analyse". You take some raw data that shows a fall, then subject it
> to "analysis" by people who toe the Line of the Orthodoxy, and as if
> by magic the numbers are all headed upwards. Makes you want to spit.
Made-up crazyassed crap.
>
>>
>>> This all a travesty of science. Real scientists put their data and
>>> theories out there, and seek refutation by other scientists. They
>>> even include methods of refutation alongside their theories to make
>>> life easier. This called a falsifiable theory, and it is the only
>>> kind that carries any scientific weight or credibility. What we
>>> have in AGW is a situation where there is a quasi-religious
>>> position that may not be denied on pain of loss of tenure, job,
>>> livelihood. This is NOT science, it is pure totalitarian politics.
>> Prove this statement. The scientists who study global climate change
>> are for the most part, non-political.
>>
>
> The ones who are allowed to be heard are those who toe the Line of the
> Orthodoxy. Those who say otherwise are marginalized and silenced. This
> is NOT how science is supposed to work.
Sorry, lies from liars don'tget published. The liars may scream, but the
world is full of journals, and they are rejected by them all.
Neil Brooks
Please don't (further) confuse Bill.
Ouroboros Rex
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:39:24 -0800 (PST), Mr Soul <pc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Don - can you please show us the evidence of the Earth cooling down.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Mr Soul
>
> Dunno if I can be bothered to find it again; Google for it. But while
> you are looking, here is some stuff from what climatologists consider
> key indicators. First the temperature history of central Greenland:
>
> http://westinstenv.org/wp-content/postimage/Easterbrook_graph.jpg
>
> This is part of the Easterbrook projection which seems to backed by
> rather better science than most, untainted as it is by political
> manoeuvering. You can see an abstract of a paper here:
Sorry, Easterbrook is an already-busted denialist liar.
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/02/17/marc-morano-jokers/
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Don_Easterbrook
>
> http://westinstenv.org/palbot/2008/10/30/global-cooling-is-here-evidence-for-predicting-global-cooling-for-the-next-three-decades/
>
> It only attempts to predict the next thirty years or so, and frankly
> anyone trying to go beyond that is talking through his hat.
>
> Also of interest is a graph showing, in some detail, CO2 level and
> global temperature since 2002.
>
> http://icecap.us/images/uploads/CRUMSUCO2June.jpg
Sorry, special purpose denialist lie site.
>
> Read the quick facts and follow the links:
>
> http://www.isthereglobalwarming.com/
And still more made-up crazyassed crap. lol
Ouroboros Rex
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:48:59 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
> <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Don Pearce wrote:
>>> <pc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> These emails are unimportant. Global warming exists and only a
>>>> fool would say that it doesn't.
>>>>
>>>> Mr Soul
>>>
>>> Cooling, not warming. The global temperature has been dropping for
>>> the last ten years.
>>
>> **Tsk, tsk. Regurgitating a lie does not make it the truth. Repeat
>> after me:
>>
>> * 1998 was an unusually warm, El Nino year.
>> * The temperature TREND is the important thing, not individual,
>> yearly variations.
>> * 13 of the last 14 years have been the warmest on record.
>> * The TREND of rising temperature levels is clear (to scientists).
>> * Do not listen to the religious nutters. Pay attention to the
>> scientists.
>
> there is no recent warming is "a travesty."
Sounds odd, for people who are supposed to be running a scam. lol
Ouroboros Rex
Do you mean 1400 years, or 14,000?
TPS
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:16:19 -0800 (PST), Mr Soul <pc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> The ones that are out of date, or say nothing can be ignored. There
> >> are plenty enough that are current, from environmental scientists, and
> >> suggesting ways of hiding data, doing "tricks" on the maths etc to be
> >> damning. And fyi, I am not of the right wing.
> >Well if you aren't, you are preaching the same thing that they preach
> >(except I don't recall any of them saying the Earth is cooling).
>
> >Perhaps you should read this - it's from the EPA -
> >http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/fq/science.html#q6
>
> >Mr Soul
>
> personal interests on both sides of that fence. And it is a fact that
> the earth is currently in a cooling cycle. That is a part of what
> these emails are seeking to conceal.
>
> claim that the readings are anomalies, and normal warming will be
> resumed. Anything, in fact, apart from admitting the data.
>
> theories out there, and seek refutation by other scientists. They even
> include methods of refutation alongside their theories to make life
> easier. This called a falsifiable theory, and it is the only kind that
> carries any scientific weight or credibility. What we have in AGW is a
> situation where there is a quasi-religious position that may not be
> denied on pain of loss of tenure, job, livelihood. This is NOT
> science, it is pure totalitarian politics.
>
I haven't read all of the emails. Have you read something that
indicates that a person with hiring/firing power threatened the tenure
of subordinate because that subordinate questioned theories of global
warming? I mean, sure, some bitter egghead scientists would
undoubtedly bitch about the people with whom they disagree - much like
people do here - but that's a far cry from "pure totalitarian
politics". Some few might even get into personal pissing matches and
try to prevent a rival from being published, but they, like the fringe
jobs arguing on the other side, lose their impact amid the larger
community.
Ouroboros Rex
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:34:28 -0800 (PST), Mr Soul <pc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> These emails are unimportant. Global warming exists and only a fool
>> would say that it doesn't.
>>
>> Mr Soul
>
What you mean is, you can't disprove a word of it. lol
Ouroboros Rex
Nice series of right wing lie articles. Now, where is the actual
wrongdoing?
Ouroboros Rex
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:43:42 -0800 (PST), Mr Soul <pc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>> Brilliant piece of reasoning! I'm convinced you have now made third
>>> grade.
>> Don - the right-wingnuts used Mars warming as evidence on why the
>> Earth might be warming up. This wasn't my reasoning. But I agree
>> that the right-wingnuts have about a 3rd grade mentality.
>>
>>> Go away for a while and learn how to argue. You reason like a
>>> Christian right now.
>> I am willing to bet that you are a right-wing, Christian
>> fundamentalist. Prove me wrong.
>>
>
> In your world you are right. How could you be otherwise?
>
>> Why do you continue to not provide us with the evidence that the
>> Earth is cooling down?
>>
>
> Done in another post.
You have no such evidence.
Ouroboros Rex
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:01:40 -0800 (PST), Mr Soul <pc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>> Lord Valve
>>> Globally Cool
>> Hate to disapoint you Slick, but the Earth is warming up -
>>
>> http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/20/hacked-hadley-emails-hottest-decade-on-record-and-the-oceans-planet-keep-warming/.
>>
>> And if the Earth is really cooling down, as you right-wingnuts claim,
>> then what happen to your big argument about Mars warming up? Is
>> argument that now out the door?
>>
>
> Brilliant piece of reasoning! I'm convinced you have now made third
> grade.
>
>> live in NH, it's well documented that the seasonal length of certain
>> plants is several weeks longer than it used to be. Some of Thoreau's
>> botanical work has been used to verify this.
>>
>> Sorry guys - you are wrong this time!
>>
>
> Well, where I live it is 2 degrees colder today than it was yesterday.
> So that means in just over four months the temperature here will hit
> absolute zero. Right? Your reasoning in this paragraph is no better
> than that in your first.
>
> Go away for a while and learn how to argue. You reason like a
> Christian right now.
Hey, post some more crazyassed denialist lie sites for us, that was
entertaining.
Bill Sornson
LOL Just keep sticking your head in the (now cooling) earth, Anonymous
Ostrich.
Saying "the vast majority of scientists agree that GW IS happening" is like
saying that the vast majority of doctors are in favor of ObamaCare.
Dressing 'em up and putting them in the Rose Garden doesn't make it true.
Funny how the NYT and WP aren't reporting the /content/ of the smoking gun
e-mails, just that they were hacked.
Enjoy your ideological delusion while it lasts. The wheels are coming off
and it's going to get /really/ bumpy down the road.
BS (really)
Mr Soul
> politically tainted beyond credibility.
in agreement that the data shows the Earth is warming up, so you are
in error to say that it is cooling.
Mr Soul
Bill Sornson
PS: Here are two more fer ya:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/24/the_fix_is_in_99280.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704779704574552533758682774.html
Bill "by all means, attack the SOURCES and not their SUBSTANCE" S.
Mr Soul
> only authorities you consult are those on the Bandwagon of Orthodoxy,
> you will learn nothing about the Earth's climate, but plenty about the
> political climate. Get yourself out of the morass of green-upmanship
> before you sink.
>
can't argue with someone who says the stuff you say because you
redefine the rules, i.e., you dismiss what you want to dismiss.
It is a FACT and it is scientifically agreed that the Earth is warming
up. There is TONS of evidence supporting it. Even Thoreau's early
botanical work has given input.
Why is it that your "scientific" evidence is better than the climate
scientists who have been researching this issue for sometime? Where
is the critical review of these so-called studies.
Mr Soul
Don Pearce
wrote:
>> that'll do for now. You really do need to research more widely. If the
The earth is doing what it is doing. Change is the normal condition
for Earth's climate. Temperature goes up and temperature goes down.
There is nothing political about it - it happens. At the moment the
temperature is going down, and your capitalization of the word FACT
doesn't make it any more true.
The argument is over anthropogenic global warming, and there is no -
and I do mean zero - evidence supporting it. The models have been
discredited, and now we learn that the scientists supporting it are
baffled and telling each other to fudge data to hide the fact that
their models can't even manage a couple of years of prediction.
d
Mr Soul
> for Earth's climate. Temperature goes up and temperature goes down.
> There is nothing political about it - it happens.
> At the moment the
> temperature is going down, and your capitalization of the word FACT
> doesn't make it any more true.
No - it's NOT. You have not cited any evidence to show that it is
currently going down. You've shown some predictions that it might but
it is in FACT going up. And yes capitalization does imply that it is
true, because it is.
You've cited one scientifist (Easterbrook) who have been a critic.
Where is the critical review of his work?
I'll cited again the FACTS:
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) 2007
Main article: Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
In February 2007, the IPCC released a summary of the forthcoming
Fourth Assessment Report. According to this summary, the Fourth
Assessment Report finds that human actions are "very likely" the cause
of global warming, meaning a 90% or greater probability. Global
warming in this case is indicated by an increase of 0.75 degrees in
average global temperatures over the last 100 years.[3]
The New York Times reported:
The world's leading climate scientists said global warming has begun,
is very likely caused by man, and will be unstoppable for
centuries.... The phrase very likely translates to a more than 90
percent certainty that global warming is caused by man's burning of
fossil fuels. That was the strongest conclusion to date, making it
nearly impossible to say natural forces are to blame.[4]
The report said that an increase in hurricane and tropical cyclone
strength since 1970 more likely than not can be attributed to man-made
global warming. The scientists said global warming's connection varies
with storms in different parts of the world, but that the storms that
strike the Americas are global warming-influenced.[5]
The Associated Press summarized the position on sea level rise:
On sea levels, the report projects rises of 7-23 inches by the end of
the century. That could be augmented by an additional 4-8 inches if
recent polar ice sheet melt continues.[6]
[edit] U.S. Global Change Research Program
formerly the Climate Change Science Program
The U.S. Global Change Research Program reported in June, 2009[7]
that:
Observations show that warming of the climate is unequivocal. The
global warming observed over the past 50 years is due primarily to
human-induced emissions of heat-trapping gases. These emissions come
mainly from the burning of fossil fuels (coal, oil, and gas), with
important contributions from the clearing of forests, agricultural
practices, and other activities.
Here's the graph -
http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/20/hacked-hadley-emails-hottest-decade-on-record-and-the-oceans-planet-keep-warming/.
Lord Valve
Mr. Pearce -
You fail to understand the true nature of the conflict.
You claim that they are wrong, and you'd like them
to admit it and get busy with correction of flawed or
fudged data. They claim that you are a heretic, and
want you burned.
Galileo, anyone?
Lord Valve
Globally Cool
Arny Krueger
news:heh6q...@news6.newsguy.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote
>> in message news:7n0hrvF...@mid.individual.net
>>> * 1998 was an unusually warm, El Nino year.
>>> * The temperature TREND is the important thing, not
>>> individual, yearly variations. * 13 of the last 14 years have been the
>>> warmest on
>>> record.
>>> * The TREND of rising temperature levels is clear (to
>>> scientists).
>> Given that something simple, well-known, gross, and
>> relevant like sunspots has an 22 year cycle - what sort
>> of conclusion can reasonably be formed with 14 years
>> worth of data?
> Do you mean 1400 years, or 14,000?
I mean 14, the number that Trevor mentioned: "* 13 of the last 14 years
have been the warmest on record."
Information about temperatures over the past 1400 or 14,000 years is
inferred, not based on actual measurements.
Don Pearce
Eppur si muove.
d
Mr Soul
> You claim that they are wrong, and you'd like them
> to admit it and get busy with correction of flawed or
> fudged data. They claim that you are a heretic, and
> want you burned.
>
> Galileo, anyone?
intelligent enough to see the analogy but we're Galileo and you guys
are the Church.
Mr Soul
Don Pearce
wrote:
>> You fail to understand the true nature of the conflict.
Yours is the Orthodoxy Which May Not Be Challenged. I think we can all
manage the trivial job of working out which is which, particularly now
the lies at its heart are being exposed.
d
TPS
> Ouroboros Rex wrote:
> > Bill Sornson wrote:
> >> Dave wrote:
> >>> Andre Jute wrote:
> >>>> Hey, don't sound so pleased. I'm a cyclist. I was looking forward
> >>>> to all those hi-temp days those lying bastards of the Global
> >>>> Warming Church promised me. Lying scumbags musta believed the
> >>>> Scientology overinflation of their intelligence quotients. They
> >>>> sure as hell got global warming out of a mucky teacup.
>
> >>> I'm not sure if you're a lying-bastard-fuel-industry stooge, or a
> >>> rebel whose only cause is stroking his own ego with fallacious
> >>> dissent. What's funny is your arrogant reference to the "Global
> >>> Warming Church." The vast majority of scientists agree that GW IS
> >>> happening, and that there IS a human component to it. You're the
> >>> religious zealot ignoring and twisting science to suit your agenda,
> >>> either for personal gain or latent adolescent nonconformity.
>
> >> Just saying it's so doesn't make it so.
>
>
> >>http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/24/hiding-evidence-of-gl...
>
> >>http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=513195
>
> >> Face it, losers: the wheels are (finally) coming off the Church of
> >> Global Warming Alarmism bandwagon.
>
> >> Bill "better late than TOO late" S.
>
> > Nice series of right wing lie articles. Now, where is the actual
> > wrongdoing?
>
> LOL Just keep sticking your head in the (now cooling) earth, Anonymous
> Ostrich.
>
> Saying "the vast majority of scientists agree that GW IS happening" is like
> saying that the vast majority of doctors are in favor of ObamaCare.
> Dressing 'em up and putting them in the Rose Garden doesn't make it true.
>
> Funny how the NYT and WP aren't reporting the /content/ of the smoking gun
> e-mails, just that they were hacked.
>
> Enjoy your ideological delusion while it lasts. The wheels are coming off
> and it's going to get /really/ bumpy down the road.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
The NYT posted a link to the emails, so you can see for yourself.
Mr Soul
> manage the trivial job of working out which is which, particularly now
> the lies at its heart are being exposed.
knows that.
Mr Soul
Andre Jute
> Andre Jute wrote:
> > Hey, don't sound so pleased. I'm a cyclist. I was looking forward to
> > all those hi-temp days those lying bastards of the Global Warming
> > Church promised me. Lying scumbags musta believed the Scientology
> > overinflation of their intelligence quotients. They sure as hell got
> > global warming out of a mucky teacup.
>
> I'm not sure if you're a lying-bastard-fuel-industry stooge, or a rebel
> whose only cause is stroking his own ego with fallacious dissent. What's
> funny is your arrogant reference to the "Global Warming Church." The vast
> majority of scientists agree that GW IS happening, and that there IS a human
> component to it. You're the religious zealot ignoring and twisting science
> to suit your agenda, either for personal gain or latent adolescent
> nonconformity.
Gee, I start a dozen threads that between them constitute a
comprehensive condemnation of the fraud of global warming, and you
don't object to a single technical or ethical point, but when I make a
joke with friends, there you are, all abrasive with your silly attempt
at character assassination.
Ever hear of a sense of perspective, sonny?
Andre Jute
Reformed petrol head
Car-free since 1992
Greener than thou!
Mr Soul
Mr. Non-Orthodoxy,
Here are some FACTS for you:
- Over the past 30 years, the Earth has warmed by 0.6° C or 1.08° F.
Over the past 100 years, it has warmed by 0.8° C or 1.44° F.
- "The five warmest years over the last century occurred in the last
eight years," said James Hansen, director of NASA GISS. They stack up
as follows: the warmest was 2005, then 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2004.
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/2005_warmest.html
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2005/
I can find lots more but of course, you'll deny them.
Mr Soul
Lord Valve
> Mr Shoe
Why, yes, quite so, quite so...
And everybody knew that the Earth was flat, that the
Earth was the center of the universe and that the sun,
the moon, all the planets and the stars revolved around
it; not only that, a substance called phlogiston was
contained in all flammable materials and released
by combustion, disease was caused by bad odors,
flight was impossible, and phrenology was the last
word on determining character traits. Not only that,
heavy objects fell faster than lighter ones. Everybody
knew these things, you see, because scientists -
shitloads of 'em - said they were true.
Only they weren't.
Lord Valve
Globally Cool
Andre Jute
> - "The five warmest years over the last century occurred in the last
> eight years," said James Hansen, director of NASA GISS. They stack up
> as follows: the warmest was 2005, then 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2004.
>
> http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/2005_warmest.html
>
> http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2005/
Er, didn't NASA recently say they made a mistake, 1934 was the warmest
year of the century? -- AJ
Bill Sornson
> because of the 'hacked' data.
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/29/yamal_scandal/
>
> "Hokey hockey sticks
> Mann too used dendrochronology to chill temperatures, and rebuffed
> attempts to publish his measurement data. Initially he said he had
> forgotten where he put it, then declined to disclosed it. (Some of
> Mann's data was eventually discovered, by accident, on his ftp server
> in a directory entitled 'BACKTO_1400-CENSORED'.)
>
> Tree data was secondary in importance to Mann's statistical technique,
> which would produce a dramatic modern upturn in temperatures - which
> became nicknamed the "Hockey Stick" - even using red noise.
> .
> .
> .
> All the papers come from a small but closely knit of scientists who
> mutually support each other's work. All use Yamal data. And without
> the Yamal data, the temperature record shows a very different shape.
> .
> .
> .
> The scandal has serious implications for public trust in science. The
> IPCC's mission is to reflect the science, not create it.
>
> As the panel states, its duty is "assessing the scientific, technical
> and socioeconomic information relevant for the understanding of the
> risk of human-induced climate change. It does not carry out new
> research nor does it monitor climate-related data." But as lead
> author, Briffa was a key contributor in shaping (no pun intended) the
> assessment. A small group was able to rewrite history.
>
> When the IPCC was alerted to peer-reviewed research that refuted the
> idea, it declined to include it. This leads to the more general, and
> more serious issue: what happens when peer-review fails - as it did
> here?
>
> The scandal has only come to light because of the dogged persistence
> of a Canadian mathematician who attempted to reproduce the results.
> Steve McIntyre has written dozens of letters requesting the data and
> methodology, and over 7,000 blog posts. Yet Yamal has remained elusive
> for almost a decade. "
Indeed. The hacked e-mails and other recent disclosures weren't
/revelations/ of global warming hoaxism, they were /affirmations/ of what
any honest, objective person already knew (or strongly suspected). Ostrich
Alarmist Nuts excluded, of course.
BS
adminattubezone.net
> Why, yes, quite so, quite so...
>
> And everybody knew that the Earth was flat, that the
> Earth was the center of the universe and that the sun,
> the moon, all the planets and the stars revolved around
> it; not only that, a substance called phlogiston was
> contained in all flammable materials and released
> by combustion, disease was caused by bad odors,
> flight was impossible, and phrenology was the last
> word on determining character traits. Not only that,
> heavy objects fell faster than lighter ones. Everybody
> knew these things, you see, because scientists -
> shitloads of 'em - said they were true.
>
> Only they weren't.
>
> Lord Valve
> Globally Cool
I think you're getting alchemists, theologians and barber-surgeons
confused with
"scientists", Willie. Twas the scientists and adoption of scientific
methods that disproved
the conventional wisdom of which you speak, not ranting luddites and
teabaggers.
Bill Sornson
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:14:55 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <so...@noyb.com>
> emails comprise less than 5% of the total byte count with the rest
> being 'documents', 'code', and 'data' for... guess what...
> reconstructing the temperature series... including Yamal. That, and
> the no so hard to decode file name FOIA is why I say there's a lot
> more to this than what's bubbling around on the surface.
>
> I find it strange that a 'hacker' would be so interested in tree ring
> data sets.
>
> On another note, here's an interesting included pdf: "RulesOfTheGame."
>
> It opens by explaining: "The game is communicating
> climate change; the rules will help us win it."
>
> This from what is supposedly a group of scientists interested only in
> 'where the science takes us' no matter what that might be.
>
> It's so refreshing to see "pure science" at work. No politics here, no
> sir.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't many hundreds of these documents,
files, data and e-mails subject to Freedom of Information Requests that had
been or are being ignored and worse (destroyed, deleted and altered records,
for example)?
As with all things AlGore-ish, OF WHAT ARE THEY SO AFRAID?
Bill "it's so pathetic it's almost amusing" S.
Ben C
[...]
> On another note, here's an interesting included pdf: "RulesOfTheGame."
>
> It opens by explaining: "The game is communicating
> climate change; the rules will help us win it."
>
> This from what is supposedly a group of scientists interested only in
> 'where the science takes us' no matter what that might be.
>
> It's so refreshing to see "pure science" at work. No politics here, no
> sir.
I don't think that "Rules of the Game" leaflet is written by the
so-called scientists-- it's written by the government (or one of their
quangos) and is just the usual kind of bullshit we expect from them.
Mr Soul
> year of the century? -- AJ
http://mediamatters.org/research/200708120001
"On Special Report, Jim Angle reported that NASA was forced "to admit
it was wrong when it said that 1998 was the hottest year on record"
and that NASA "now says 1934 was the hottest year, followed by 1998,
then 1921." But Angle did not inform viewers that NASA's revision
affected annual temperature rankings for the United States only; it
had no effect on the annual global temperature rankings. "
NASA recently corrected its climate figures after the discovery of
inconsistencies in its U.S. temperature data. According to Schmidt, a
climate modeler at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies and a
contributor to the RealClimate blog (posting as "gavin"), the
correction resulted in a re-ranking of NASA's list of the warmest
years in the United States. For example, whereas 1998 was previously
ranked as the warmest year for the United States, it is now ranked
second, behind 1934. According to Schmidt, the temperature difference
between 1934 and 1998 in the United States -- both before and after
the correction -- is not statistically significant.
...
"
Mr Soul
Andre Jute
> On another note, here's an interesting included pdf: "RulesOfTheGame."
>
> It opens by explaining: "The game is communicating
> climate change; the rules will help us win it."
Apparently in climate sciences "science" means winning the argument,
not proving the hypthesis.
> This from what is supposedly a group of scientists interested only in
> 'where the science takes us' no matter what that might be.
>
> It's so refreshing to see "pure science" at work. No politics here, no
> sir.
LOL.
Makes one wonder, if "the science is settled" and "there is a
consensus of scientists" why these guys -- after all, they're the
world's leading global waming "scientists" -- should be so defensive.
What is it they fear? Looks like their fear is inspired by their self
knowledge that they lied, and lied, and lied, that their "science" was
crooked from the beginning.
Ron Bales thinks that some of them may be true believers in the
hypothesis that manmade CO2 causes global warming, and lying for their
faith; certainly some despair has been expressed in the Hadley Hack
about their inability to prove the hypothesis, in the stubborn
resistance of real life to follow their cooked data-based predictions.
If Ron is right, these people must be incredibly stupid as well as
incredibly crooked. One can forgive (and be amused by) undergraduate
idiots like Ben Weiner and Bill Asher for falling for this crap, but
the senior scientists who in the first instance cooked the data *know*
what they've done -- which accounts for their fear of Freedom of
Information disclosure -- and are scientists beside: for them this
sort of self-delusion is also a self-disqualification from their
chosen profession.
Andre Jute
“We must get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.” -- Jonathan Overpeck,
climate "scientist", IPCC writer
Andre Jute
Andre Jute wrote:
> > Er, didn't NASA recently say they made a mistake, 1934 was the warmest
> > year of the century? -- AJ
>
> No. It's apparent that you rely too much on FOX News:
> For example, whereas 1998 was previously
> ranked as the warmest year for the United States, it is now ranked
> second, behind 1934. According to Schmidt, the temperature difference
> between 1934 and 1998 in the United States -- both before and after
> the correction -- is not statistically significant.
Thanks for the clarification Brother Soul. Of course it isn't
statistically significant because there was no global warming in the
1990s, merely statistical legerdemain. The earth's temperature is on
the upslope, with natural variation caused by sunspot cycles, from the
Little Ice Age towards the mild temperatures, but still warmer than
today, which lasted for centuries during the Medieval Warm Period. The
Hockey Stick that attempts to prove that the 1990s was the warmest
decade is an attempt by the most unscientifica statistical trickery,
condemned by two panels of the National Academy of Science, to falsify
temperature history to flatten the LIA and MWP out of existence. The
world is in no danger from global warming, and no link between
temperature increase and manmade (or any other CO2) has ever been
proven. The only manmade global warming is made by crooked "climate
scientists". I hope this helps your understanding.
Andre Jute
Visit Andre's books at
http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/THE%20WRITER'S%20HOUSE.html
PS I don't get Fox News. I live in the country in Ireland. I get my
information from the original sources published by the IPCC, the
archives of the United States Senate, other official bodies, the
original articles of both the global warmers and the sceptics, and so
on, not from the media.
landotter
>
> >>>>>>http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/24/hiding-evidence-of-gl...
No. You are wrong. It's typical of conspiracists like yourself to just
make shit up, though.
>
> As with all things AlGore-ish, OF WHAT ARE THEY SO AFRAID?
>
I think they're afraid of irrational right wing authoritarian goons
like you, if they're afraid of anything. It wasn't scientists and
rational thinkers that committed the crime of breaking into their
server--it was nuts like you. Of course--you don't see crime if it's
your faction that's guilty. That's typical for those that score off
the chart on the authoritarian retard scale.
Would you care to cement my opinion of you by lying some more? Perhaps
you want to talk about fear and just punishment or some other
stereotypical thing that people with your personality disorder usually
fall back on.
Lord Valve
You Warmie assholes have been OWNED, publicly outed.
Watching you squirm will be entertaining. Watching
you scream bloody murder when your socialist
horse-shit comes crashing down around your ears
in 2010 will be exquisite.
Lord Valve
American