Template for Patrick
Andre Jute
overcomplicating things. This is all very, very simple, because you
have a very experienced guy telling you only what you need to know to
make good working net pages, and that is very, very little indeed.
Pull up the web page
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/3Deep Space 845se55.htm
I've posted your page temporarily to my site, URL above. I've made it
to the width of the widest illustration but it adjusts automatically
to wider and narrower widths. Just in case of glitches, I have put all
the illustrations and captions flush left, and left the text
unjustified. That's the simplest, safest way. I've set it up in Times,
a very common font that is certain to be on everyone's computer.
Download the page from the net. Lock the file and save a copy. Open
the copy in MSW. Delete every picture frame and in precisely the same
place drag in your photos and tables in the right places. You can
format the text with MSW tools to make it larger, bold and so on; I've
made some samples in the text. Then Save as a Web Page. MSW makes a
file, which is the web page, and a folder full of illustrations. Load
both page and folder to your server and test the page by opening it on
the net.
I've tested the page in Explorer, the most common browser, and it
works. The paragraphs don't show so well in Safari but that is a
common problem when you work in Word; you can't have everything.
Learn to use MSW. It makes good web pages and costs nothing extra. In
MSW, when used for making web pages for Explorer, you use the enter
key only once between pars, rather than the twice I've been telling
you, which works in other apps... You don't use the enter key at line-
ends, only to end a paragraph.
In my sample Sheet 8 of the tables appears to show a couple of extra
lines of space. It isn't so. The table was badly cropped with extra
white space below; you might want to edit Sheet 8 before putting it
back into the page.
The next time you want to make a page, you make another copy of my
page, select a paragraph, and just start typing over it, drag in new
illustrations, and Save as a Web Page, then upload the saved file and
the accompanying folder, as above. There are fancier ways to work with
a template but this one will suit you just fine. You'll soon be making
pages in half the time you took with your old method.
Good luck.
Andre Jute
Off to sleep
Patrick Turner
Andre Jute wrote:
>
> I'm not answering your other letters, Patrick, because you're simply
> overcomplicating things. This is all very, very simple, because you
> have a very experienced guy telling you only what you need to know to
> make good working net pages, and that is very, very little indeed.
Its quite OK, and many others may benefit from this discussion.
>
> Pull up the web page
> http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/3Deep Space 845se55.htm
>
> I've posted your page temporarily to my site, URL above. I've made it
> to the width of the widest illustration but it adjusts automatically
> to wider and narrower widths. Just in case of glitches, I have put all
> the illustrations and captions flush left, and left the text
> unjustified. That's the simplest, safest way. I've set it up in Times,
> a very common font that is certain to be on everyone's computer.
OK, I opened the page of mine and it does look tidier than my own work,
and wastes less space on the rhs, thus its a shorter distance to scroll
vertically.
I'd prefer to have slightly larger font than what you've chosen to make
it more readable by ppl with failing eyes like most old buggers
who muck about with tubes.
>
> Download the page from the net. Lock the file and save a copy. Open
> the copy in MSW. Delete every picture frame and in precisely the same
> place drag in your photos and tables in the right places. You can
> format the text with MSW tools to make it larger, bold and so on; I've
> made some samples in the text. Then Save as a Web Page. MSW makes a
> file, which is the web page, and a folder full of illustrations. Load
> both page and folder to your server and test the page by opening it on
> the net.
OK. I've got the page saved, and then found I have MSWord2003,
and opened the saved page in MSW.
>
> I've tested the page in Explorer, the most common browser, and it
> works. The paragraphs don't show so well in Safari but that is a
> common problem when you work in Word; you can't have everything.
>
> Learn to use MSW. It makes good web pages and costs nothing extra.
Seems like it. It has margins that can be set.
But I'll have to see what it does when I hit enter to return a curser.
Mozilla made folders for each html title page with the picture files...
> In
> MSW, when used for making web pages for Explorer, you use the enter
> key only once between pars, rather than the twice I've been telling
> you, which works in other apps... You don't use the enter key at line-
> ends, only to end a paragraph.
We'll see how it works by trial and error.
Remember, old guys know the man who makes no errors
makes nothing.
( when they get even older they dunno if they are making
any errors )
>
> In my sample Sheet 8 of the tables appears to show a couple of extra
> lines of space. It isn't so. The table was badly cropped with extra
> white space below; you might want to edit Sheet 8 before putting it
> back into the page.
>
> The next time you want to make a page, you make another copy of my
> page, select a paragraph, and just start typing over it, drag in new
> illustrations, and Save as a Web Page, then upload the saved file and
> the accompanying folder, as above. There are fancier ways to work with
> a template but this one will suit you just fine. You'll soon be making
> pages in half the time you took with your old method.
I'll give it a try.
Now later, and not bad so far.
Many thanks.
Andre Jute
> Andre Jute wrote:
>
> > I'm not answering your other letters, Patrick, because you're simply
> > overcomplicating things. This is all very, very simple, because you
> > have a very experienced guy telling you only what you need to know to
> > make good working net pages, and that is very, very little indeed.
>
> Its quite OK, and many others may benefit from this discussion.
>
>
>
> > Pull up the web page
>
> > I've posted your page temporarily to my site, URL above. I've made it
> > to the width of the widest illustration but it adjusts automatically
> > to wider and narrower widths. Just in case of glitches, I have put all
> > the illustrations and captions flush left, and left the text
> > unjustified. That's the simplest, safest way. I've set it up in Times,
> > a very common font that is certain to be on everyone's computer.
>
> OK, I opened the page of mine and it does look tidier than my own work,
> and wastes less space on the rhs, thus its a shorter distance to scroll
> vertically.
>
> I'd prefer to have slightly larger font than what you've chosen to make
> it more readable by ppl with failing eyes like most old buggers
> who muck about with tubes.
>
>
>
> > Download the page from the net. Lock the file and save a copy. Open
> > the copy in MSW. Delete every picture frame and in precisely the same
> > place drag in your photos and tables in the right places. You can
> > format the text with MSW tools to make it larger, bold and so on; I've
> > made some samples in the text. Then Save as a Web Page. MSW makes a
> > file, which is the web page, and a folder full of illustrations. Load
> > both page and folder to your server and test the page by opening it on
> > the net.
>
> OK. I've got the page saved, and then found I have MSWord2003,
> and opened the saved page in MSW.
Don't ever again open Mozilla. Trying to work back and forth in two
apps (or many) is possible, but it is expert work and you need to know
which of the (expensive professional) applications work together. Just
stick to MSW, Patrick, and make its limitations your strengths.
> > I've tested the page in Explorer, the most common browser, and it
> > works. The paragraphs don't show so well in Safari but that is a
> > common problem when you work in Word; you can't have everything.
>
> > Learn to use MSW. It makes good web pages and costs nothing extra.
>
> Seems like it. It has margins that can be set.
> But I'll have to see what it does when I hit enter to return a curser.
>
> Mozilla made folders for each html title page with the picture files...
>
> > In
> > MSW, when used for making web pages for Explorer, you use the enter
> > key only once between pars, rather than the twice I've been telling
> > you, which works in other apps... You don't use the enter key at line-
> > ends, only to end a paragraph.
>
> We'll see how it works by trial and error.
>
> Remember, old guys know the man who makes no errors
> makes nothing.
> ( when they get even older they dunno if they are making
> any errors )
Just don't save any errors over the template.
> > In my sample Sheet 8 of the tables appears to show a couple of extra
> > lines of space. It isn't so. The table was badly cropped with extra
> > white space below; you might want to edit Sheet 8 before putting it
> > back into the page.
>
> > The next time you want to make a page, you make another copy of my
> > page, select a paragraph, and just start typing over it, drag in new
> > illustrations, and Save as a Web Page, then upload the saved file and
> > the accompanying folder, as above. There are fancier ways to work with
> > a template but this one will suit you just fine. You'll soon be making
> > pages in half the time you took with your old method.
>
> I'll give it a try.
>
> Now later, and not bad so far.
>
> Many thanks.
It's a pleasure to be able to make a small return for your help with
my electrostatic earphone amp design.
Couple of other things. Save my original letter. It is a nearly
complete instruction set. Here are some more instructions:
Don't open Mozilla again. You never know which other apps read its
prefs.
Don't ever unlock the template I sent you. Instead make a new one by
saving your own page and number them by date and sequence.
Open the formatting palette dialogue box and keep it on your desktop.
Learn it by practice.
Don't use the space bar for centring or indents. For centring, use the
MSW facility in which you select the unit you want to centre and then
click on a pictogram in the alignment options, for indents use the tab
key.
A good design uses no more than two fonts (headlines and body copy) in
two sizes each (headline, body copy, subheads, captions to pics) and
two weights (plain for text and bold for big highlights like warnings)
and uses only italic for emphasis of a single word or phrase.
The transfer of coloured text is tricky between MSW and HTML,
Sometimes it works and sometimes it dinna. Use bold or the larger text
size for emphasis instead.
Clickable links are created in MSW by the name Hyperlink on the Insert
menu (on my Mac in MSWX anyway -- you'll find it if you keep pulling
down the menus).
MSW has excellent onboard help files. The help files are themselves
HTML documents with clickable links, some of which open facilities for
you. Leave the helpfile caller (mine is called Office Assistant and is
found in the Help menu) open on your desktop next to the formatting
palette and use it to find facilities for you.
If text has really poor spacing onscreen, find the switch for
Fractional Widths, which you will probably find in preferences under
Print. If not, use the help files to find it for you. Switch it on;
ignore the description of what it does, which claims the opposite of
what I just told you.
Go with God. You'll be calling on him before the day is out.
Andre Jute
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Patrick Turner
I spent 5 hours last night revising the text on the 845 amps.
It was easy to get use to not clicking 'enter' at each line end, and
letting MS
do the job automatically.
I only had trouble in one section of text, but I managed to edit and
reopen it and pull it down to OK.
>
> > > I've tested the page in Explorer, the most common browser, and it
> > > works. The paragraphs don't show so well in Safari but that is a
> > > common problem when you work in Word; you can't have everything.
> >
> > > Learn to use MSW. It makes good web pages and costs nothing extra.
> >
> > Seems like it. It has margins that can be set.
> > But I'll have to see what it does when I hit enter to return a curser.
> >
> > Mozilla made folders for each html title page with the picture files...
> >
> > > In
> > > MSW, when used for making web pages for Explorer, you use the enter
> > > key only once between pars, rather than the twice I've been telling
> > > you, which works in other apps... You don't use the enter key at line-
> > > ends, only to end a paragraph.
> >
> > We'll see how it works by trial and error.
> >
> > Remember, old guys know the man who makes no errors
> > makes nothing.
> > ( when they get even older they dunno if they are making
> > any errors )
>
> Just don't save any errors over the template.
I think I could make all my pages with MSW once the margins are set
at about where you had them. In fact your text width was a trifle too
wide,
and you have to read way along a line, and readers forget where they are
and so I reduced the width of text a bit, and it seems to be enough
and all works OK instead of me having to keep real short lines and take
the trouble of editing 49 times to get text to a limited number of
characters per line etc.
>
> > > In my sample Sheet 8 of the tables appears to show a couple of extra
> > > lines of space. It isn't so. The table was badly cropped with extra
> > > white space below; you might want to edit Sheet 8 before putting it
> > > back into the page.
> >
> > > The next time you want to make a page, you make another copy of my
> > > page, select a paragraph, and just start typing over it, drag in new
> > > illustrations, and Save as a Web Page, then upload the saved file and
> > > the accompanying folder, as above. There are fancier ways to work with
> > > a template but this one will suit you just fine. You'll soon be making
> > > pages in half the time you took with your old method.
> >
> > I'll give it a try.
> >
> > Now later, and not bad so far.
> >
> > Many thanks.
>
> It's a pleasure to be able to make a small return for your help with
> my electrostatic earphone amp design.
I probably always learn something when I give advice because it keeps my
mind sharpened. Well, the part of that actually works a bit....
>
> Couple of other things. Save my original letter. It is a nearly
> complete instruction set. Here are some more instructions:
>
> Don't open Mozilla again. You never know which other apps read its
> prefs.
OK, I have the template saved, and opened a copy in MSW
to work on it, then saved the fixed up page named as the original htm
page title
in a new folder for what I want to use to replace pages at my site,
or add to it.
Where I have to transfer the pages I have already begun in Mozilla,
I should be able to copy and paste the text to a word pad file of plain
text
without html, then copy/paste that to a new page in MSW
with the sme setting for width as the one I have already done for 845.
You mean all this might kill me?
It is probably easier for me to get into heaven if
I find a back door or hole in the fence way out the back of heaven
somewhere
in some far red-shifted galaxy between our universe and the next
universe along.
Purgatory was abolished recently, but they are selling off their
galactic
bicycles for anyone wanting them at a good price and they reach near the
speed of light in no time at all.
At far distances outwards, there are no heavenly guard dogs or angels
with
handcuffs and pistols and wanting to take you to the
Department of Illegal Heavenly Immigrants for chastizements
such as sending you back to earth for re-incarnation
as a dog in Shanghai. I mean, how mean is that?
Gods are extremely dangerous and big critters.
The only god I know a bit is the God Of Triodes,
and when he gets cranky with your foolishness He lets
with a few volts........
Meanwhile, I want to tidy up my Index page a bit,
but leave all the existing links so that people who have regularly
visited my site won't find it doesn't work next time they use it.
Once the 845 page is uploaded with its few links
and proven to work with what's there, it should be
possible to create a new index page and that should work first
within the new folder for the latest changes and then can be uploaded
with the same links applied.
I keep copies of the existing if something goes wrong.
The 500+ ppl hitting my site daily must not be upset
and preferably delighted but of course it doesn't mean
I'll make wonders for them at outrageously low prices
which some feel are imperatively appropriate.
I ask this question sometimes..."Would you be prepared to
work for me doing hundreds of hours of work for less than average
weekly earnings?"
They ignore the question mostly, and just want a price,
and because they have ignored me, it doesn't mean I have not noticed
their
ignorance, and I know they are already trying to screw me.
So I quote a price that is far less than what you'd spend on a pair of
Quad 80,
and its still way too much for them, although I offer better than
what you get inside a Quad 80.
But I digress....
Many thanks, work is in progress, and each day really should have
480 hours, and then I'd get somewhere.
I have this post in my drafts folder for easy finding later.
Patrick Turner.
Andre Jute
> Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > Learn to use MSW. It makes good web pages and costs nothing extra.
>
> I think I could make all my pages with MSW once the margins are set
> at about where you had them. In fact your text width was a trifle too
> wide,
> and you have to read way along a line, and readers forget where they are
> and so I reduced the width of text a bit, and it seems to be enough
> and all works OK instead of me having to keep real short lines and take
> the trouble of editing 49 times to get text to a limited number of
> characters per line etc.
Now you're getting the hang of it, Patrick. Take one step further.
Don't actually make a new page every time. Just make a template with
this text in it:
Headline
paragraph
sub head
paragraph
illustration
caption
warning or heavy emphasis
link
Now format each appropriately, with the correct linespaces in between,
and save as a template. Then, when you want a new page, you open the
template and save under the name of the file, then you put the cursor
in the correct space and just start typing, or dragging in
illustrations.
You will never again have to adjust the measure manually. You can now
forget what it means or how to do it.
At this point you can send some admiring trendy bird to bring you
another latte, lean back and say smugly, "Oh, my grid is by Andre
Jute. I bet you cheaped out and got Neville Brody to do yours." Of
course you won't even know anyone who uses free grids given away by
Microsoft...
> Where I have to transfer the pages I have already begun in Mozilla,
> I should be able to copy and paste the text to a word pad file of plain
> text
> without html, then copy/paste that to a new page in MSW
> with the sme setting for width as the one I have already done for 845.
Yes, you got the principle but you can still automate the process
further, for big savings in time when doing a whole site. Save the
HTML page you wish to revitalize onto your hard disc, open it in MSW
and you'll see the text. Ignore the pictures for the moment whether
there or absent. Use search and replace to find true paragraphs (where
you have currently have ^p^p -- that's caret p caret p no spaces -- by
inserting some nonsense like &&&. Search and replace for ^p as a
single and replace it with a space. Now all your text will flow right.
Save to text only without linebreaks. Paste into a text par marker in
your template as discussed above and the text will take on the
template style. Don't for the moment wipe the superfluous formatting
indications, the words on your template. Use the formatting brush to
format the text, currently in paragraph style, you want to be a
headline, a subhead, a caption or whatever. The use of the formatting
brush is described in the MSW helpfiles. Drag in illustrations. Bingo.
Note in the above that all illustrations must be replaced with
freshcopies from your hard disk, even if the copy downloaded from the
net shows them. For your own ease of operation, Word must be able to
find all the illustrations in the same place.
> > Go with God. You'll be calling on him before the day is out.
>
> You mean all this might kill me?
It's frustrating learning all this but once you have it done you'll
fly. I was speaking on the phone to LA, editing a text of my own, and
watching a movie at the same time as I fixed up your page.
> Once the 845 page is uploaded with its few links
> and proven to work with what's there, it should be
> possible to create a new index page and that should work first
> within the new folder for the latest changes and then can be uploaded
> with the same links applied.
> I keep copies of the existing if something goes wrong.
You can if you work very carefully, keep the old site and mix pages on
it.
Reformatting the index is trivial but timeconsuming what with
reestablishing all those links. You do it exactly the same way as
revitalizing any other page. Be very sure you have a copy before you
start!
First make a complete copy of your entire site and lock it and store a
copy off-computer.
Revitalised pages: Remake you page and test it under another name.
When it is perfect, copy and paste to get the same name as the old
version, post it to your site to overwrite the old file, and voila,
the indexed link will recognise it.
New pages: Make, send and simply enter the name in the index.
So, for a while there will be two kinds of pages in your site. So
what?
Gotta go cook.
tubegarden
I am happy to see real people doing real work :)
Here in the future perfect America, the rich pirates in bidness are
being bailed out by the rich pirates in gummint.
Short selling is betting stocks you don't own will go down in price.
Sounds a bit casino moderne, to me, but, I am only a few months
younger than George Bush, and he thinks it is part of the freedom of
the markets. His friends seem to do OK. Well, not the ones who were
not born OK, but, after all ... the Emporer of Japan did not lose
WW2 ;)
And, after Katrina, a rich Texan built a Force 5 hurricane proof house
and it stood thru Hurricane Ike. It was totally destroyed, inside, but
looks tidy on the videos on TV. The owner will have to pay someone to
tear it down. Poetic? Of course, he will have to wait until the
wrecking company can even get to the house. It could be years.
Patrick and many others wish to build things to survive. Perhaps it is
simply cheaper and easier to fix or replace the few that fail. None of
my hairbrained homebrews has ever even blown the fuse, except when I
was doing destruct testing to find the lowest possible value of fuse.
Paying someone to replace a fried transformer is not a sin. But, most
people just dump the unit. Eventually me, or lately, some other fool,
buys it and makes it work again.
Hobbyists need love, too.
Earth is pretty populous, so perhaps we can all enjoy whatever falls
in our path, without requiriing us to spill our trash talk buffers on
every possible target we identify.
Well, obviously not Eyesore, but us real success story types. I really
was successful, before I fell into this freaking Sleeping Beauty
nightmare.
Perhaps I still am, I couldn't even guess, these days.
Happy Ears!
Al
Patrick Turner
tubegarden wrote:
>
> Hi RATs!
>
> I am happy to see real people doing real work :)
>
> Here in the future perfect America, the rich pirates in bidness are
> being bailed out by the rich pirates in gummint.
....who are being bailed out by de poor bustards paying taxes.
>
> Short selling is betting stocks you don't own will go down in price.
> Sounds a bit casino moderne, to me, but, I am only a few months
> younger than George Bush, and he thinks it is part of the freedom of
> the markets. His friends seem to do OK. Well, not the ones who were
> not born OK, but, after all ... the Emporer of Japan did not lose
> WW2 ;)
>
> And, after Katrina, a rich Texan built a Force 5 hurricane proof house
> and it stood thru Hurricane Ike. It was totally destroyed, inside, but
> looks tidy on the videos on TV. The owner will have to pay someone to
> tear it down. Poetic? Of course, he will have to wait until the
> wrecking company can even get to the house. It could be years.
.....shit happens.
>
> Patrick and many others wish to build things to survive. Perhaps it is
> simply cheaper and easier to fix or replace the few that fail. None of
> my hairbrained homebrews has ever even blown the fuse, except when I
> was doing destruct testing to find the lowest possible value of fuse.
> Paying someone to replace a fried transformer is not a sin. But, most
> people just dump the unit. Eventually me, or lately, some other fool,
> buys it and makes it work again.
>
> Hobbyists need love, too.
>
> Earth is pretty populous, so perhaps we can all enjoy whatever falls
> in our path, without requiriing us to spill our trash talk buffers on
> every possible target we identify.
>
> Well, obviously not Eyesore, but us real success story types. I really
> was successful, before I fell into this freaking Sleeping Beauty
> nightmare.
>
> Perhaps I still am, I couldn't even guess, these days.
>
> Happy Ears!
> Al
Don't worry, be happy Al,
Patrick Turner.