Anyone heard of or listened to Brentworth crossover-less speakers?
JCRICKT
Just curious if anyone has had any exposure to these crossover-less, very
efficient (100-102 Db 1 W/1M) 4 Ohm non-reactive flat load, full range driver (
6.25" driver) with no tweeter or bass woofer. The TYPE 1 has a single 6.25"
driver and is claimed at 100 Db sensitivity with a 4 ohm non-reactive load and
50Hz-20Khz +/- 3 Db response and the type IV with two 6.25" drivers (102 Db, 4
Ohm load 20Hz-20Khz +/- 3Db specs?) Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Randy
Mesa, AZ
P.S. I have a single-ended 5 watt triode stereo tube amp that sounds absolutely
incredible even thru my 86 Db sensitive power hog speakers.
Grover Gardner
good audio store with decent SE amps and we thought they must be broken!
Sounded like a Close-N-Play record player! Thin, muffled sound--we couldn't
believe our ears! I know one person who I respect who owns and likes them,
though I haven't heard his set up. Thought I might be crazy, but the recent
issue of "Listener" gives them a very poor review and says pretty much what I
heard. They must be working somewhere, for someone, but I just couldn't hear
the appeal at all. I strongly recommend you audition them before
buying--maybe they'll work for you, but they left me mystified!
--
Grover Gardner
gro...@postoffice.att.net
Sheldon D. Stokes
<gro...@postoffice.att.net> wrote:
> I'm sorry if I'm stepping on any toes here. A friend and I heard them in a
> good audio store with decent SE amps and we thought they must be broken!
> Sounded like a Close-N-Play record player! Thin, muffled sound--we couldn't
> believe our ears! I know one person who I respect who owns and likes them,
> though I haven't heard his set up. Thought I might be crazy, but the recent
> issue of "Listener" gives them a very poor review and says pretty much what I
> heard. They must be working somewhere, for someone, but I just couldn't hear
> the appeal at all. I strongly recommend you audition them before
> buying--maybe they'll work for you, but they left me mystified!
I got a very different impression of them, but I heard them with a good
push pull amp. I thought they were very good. As an engineer, I was
ready for them to sound horrid. I heard that some of the older models
were ready for prime time so to speak. I heard the 2 driver ones. I
still wouldn't pay $5k for them, though.
Sheldon
Kevin Davis
JCRICKT wrote in message <19990731005203...@ng-fe1.aol.com>...
>Hello All:
>
> Just curious if anyone has had any exposure to these crossover-less,
very
>efficient (100-102 Db 1 W/1M) 4 Ohm non-reactive flat load, full range
driver (
>6.25" driver) with no tweeter or bass woofer. The TYPE 1 has a single 6.25"
>driver and is claimed at 100 Db sensitivity with a 4 ohm non-reactive load
and
>50Hz-20Khz +/- 3 Db response and the type IV with two 6.25" drivers (102
Db, 4
>Ohm load 20Hz-20Khz +/- 3Db specs?) Any info would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Randy
>Mesa, AZ
>
>P.S. I have a single-ended 5 watt triode stereo tube amp that sounds
absolutely
>incredible even thru my 86 Db sensitive power hog speakers.
A friend of mine was interested in these speakers and the owner of the
company was very emphatic that setup is absolutly critical for these
speakers, down to a half inch difference in placement ! The Brentworth
design philosophy uses the cabinet design in the same way that a violin
string uses the violin. All the natural amplification comes from the
cabinet, so placement is critical. Brentworth is the first to admit that if
the speakers are improperly set up that they will sound very poor; However I
have heard people absolutly rave about these speakers when they are set up
properly.
Felix Yen
speakers is the response they get from low-power SE amplifier owners.
They read about the sensitivity of these speakers, and those that
manage to track down a pair are rarely if ever pleased or even
satisfied by the combination. Meanwhile, people are buying these
speakers and you don't see used ones on eBay. It is difficult to
reconcile these facts with each other.
I own a pair of Type 1's, which I bought after about two years of
deliberation. One of the reasons for this two-year period was my
concern for this speaker's versatility. These are expensive things,
and I did not want their purchase to coerce me into buying an expensive
amplifier. I don't believe in the divide-and-conquer approach to
system building. I try to define an ideal system and an upgrade path
that will get me there, and I allocate 1-2 years for each major
component purchase largely for fiscal reasons. Given the lifespan of a
typical high-end audio company, I decided that I needed to make sure
that there would be more than one upgrade path available to me so I
listened to the Type 1 in several systems, in at least three rooms.
I currently drive these speakers with a solid-state integrated
amplifier, because one of my monoblocks needs service. I have also
heard BSL speakers driven by hybrid amplifiers, and by the following
tube amplifiers:
+ Audio Advancements TriMax (807 PP triode monoblocks [mine]).
+ Conrad-Johnson MV55 (triode).
+ Dynaco MkII (extensively modified).
+ Sonic Frontiers Anthem (integrated).
+ Transcendent Sound OTL (stereo).
+ VAC Vintage.
+ Wyetech Topaz (211 SE triode).
There was also a 300B amplifier that I forgot as soon as I saw how much
it would cost to retube it, and maybe one or two others. The speakers
have always sounded at least decent to me, though their sensitivity
makes many kinds of noise more audible, e.g. preamp hum, tape hiss,
print through, a close-miked clarinetist's leaky embouchure, etc.
Based on my experience, when I read an extremely negative review of a
BSL speaker, I wonder about the amplifier(s) used by the reviewer and I
ignore the review (and the reviewer). I also try to disregard BSL's
marketing claims, which seem absurd to me. If they said their speakers
are very sensitive about placement, they were wrong. I shift my
speakers every now and then, but I am very casual about this. In fact,
I am quite certain that the left one is a little further from the back
wall than its mate, but I'm too lazy to align them.
--
Felix
fy...@atex.com
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