BEWARE OF COUNTERPOINT ELECTRONICS, MICHAEL ELLIOTT
Audioduck
Fellow Audiophiles
In the process of Counterpoint's bankruptcy, its representatives have
confiscated two of my components which were authorized for return and warranty
repair. Company president Mr. Michael Elliott has notified me that he has no
intention and feels no obligation to replace or reimburse for my property.
This is intolerable and must not go unnoticed.
As Mr. Elliott is advertising the continuance of a Counterpoint Repair Center
in Vista, CA, I suggest extreme caution in sending any components for repair
and or upgrade. Please be cautious in doing business with any future company
with which Mr. Elliott or his former CFO, Mr. David Feist, is involved.
Thank you for allowing me to share this painful information with you
Alan
Vince Rhea
You neglected to state the reason they gave for not returning your gear.
Kevin Deal / Upscale Audio
Audioduck wrote:
>
> Fellow Audiophiles
>
> In the process of Counterpoint's bankruptcy, its representatives have
> confiscated two of my components which were authorized for return and warranty
Having worked for four different California hifi retail companies that
went belly up since the late 70's I thought that the bankruptcy court
notified owners of gear in service so they could make a claim to the
court to get their stuff. In fact I don't even remember you having to
make a claim to the court.
But then my minds a little hazy from the bad old days. It is a bummer
that they didn't look out for your best interest. You can tell when
something like that is impending. I was store manager in the last days
of Cal Stereo. And I refused to take deposits and lay-aways in the last
months 'cause I knew folks would not get their money back.
It's a weird feeling when you get that call. "Tell all the employess to
go home. It's done. Lock up and meet the people from the court at the
store in the morning and give them the receipts".
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Sheldon D. Stokes
In article <199804190128...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
audi...@aol.com (Audioduck) wrote:
> In the process of Counterpoint's bankruptcy, its representatives have
> confiscated two of my components which were authorized for return and warranty
> repair. Company president Mr. Michael Elliott has notified me that he has no
> intention and feels no obligation to replace or reimburse for my property.
> This is intolerable and must not go unnoticed.
> As Mr. Elliott is advertising the continuance of a Counterpoint Repair Center
> in Vista, CA, I suggest extreme caution in sending any components for repair
> and or upgrade. Please be cautious in doing business with any future company
> with which Mr. Elliott or his former CFO, Mr. David Feist, is involved.
> Thank you for allowing me to share this painful information with you
Aside from that nastiness, Elliot is offering mods for the original
equipment. I've checked over his mods and some range from expensive for
little change (like expensive cap swaps, of already pretty good caps). To
stupid stuff like getting rid of the FET follower on the output and having
the high impedance plate loaded gain stage be the output. My SA-1000 had
a totally inadequate 1.25 mA bias current in the line stage 6DJ8. This is
totally inadequate for good linearity, and really bad to drive any real
world loads if the FET follower is pulled out.
tuber emptor,
Sheldon
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Thom Mackris
Couldn't happen to nicer folks (Counterpoint, that is). When I was relatively new
to this game (mid-late '80's) I called up Counterpoint to ask for some information
about their preamp which was competing against the ARC SP-9 & the CJ PV-5 (I forget
which model it was - I guess that's because it's an enduring classic).
Anyhow, I was treated as if I was an inconvenience. I did not make a pest of
myself & wear the person out with tons of mundane questions, but I hung up thinking
that if this is the attention I get before the sale, how bad could it get if (when
in the case of Counterpoint) I needed warranty service.
Asside from the reprehensible behavior toward their existing customers whose gear is
impounded, I cannot say that I'm in the least bit sad about Counterpoint's fate.
Thom
Ned Carlson
On 19 Apr 1998 01:28:23 GMT, audi...@aol.com (Audioduck) wrote:
>Fellow Audiophiles
>
>In the process of Counterpoint's bankruptcy, its representatives have
>confiscated two of my components which were authorized for return and warranty
>repair. Company president Mr. Michael Elliott has notified me that he has no
>intention and feels no obligation to replace or reimburse for my property.
>This is intolerable and must not go unnoticed.
You might try contacting the bankruptcy trustee.
Ned Carlson Triode Electronics,2225 W Roscoe Chicago, IL, 60618 USA
ph 773-871-7459 fax 773-871-7938
12:30 to 8 PM CT, (1830-0200 UTC) 12:30-5 Sat, Closed Wed & Sun
http://www.triodeel.com
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Kirk R. Patton
Sheldon D. Stokes wrote:
> My SA-1000 had
> a totally inadequate 1.25 mA bias current in the line stage 6DJ8. This is
> totally inadequate for good linearity, and really bad to drive any real
> world loads if the FET follower is pulled out.
>
Come on, Sheldon, this is an excellent mod . . . removal of the FETs
improves the linearity of the output stage dramatically. Considering
that vast majority of these things probably come in for "modification"
with the FETs shorted . . .
Regards,
Kirk Patton
Sheldon D. Stokes
> Come on, Sheldon, this is an excellent mod . . . removal of the FETs
> improves the linearity of the output stage dramatically. Considering
> that vast majority of these things probably come in for "modification"
> with the FETs shorted . . .
I can believe that removing the FET's is a good idea, but I don't think
that having the high output impedance of that 6DJ8 gain stage driving real
world loads like long runs of cable is a good idea either. An excellent
mod would be a different line stage topology that didn't use a FET, but
still had a reasonably low output impedance. You won't get that with
Elliot's mod.
And running the 6DJ8 at 1.25 mA of current is an awful operating point for
that tube. In my experience, any bias currents below about 4 mA sounds
pretty bad.
I cranked up the bias on the line stage 6DJ8 to about 5 mA and I've left
the FET follower in place (I am driving about 25 feet of cable). The unit
sounds much better than it did stock. I'm getting ready to replace it
with a homebrew unit soon.
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