FS:Marantz 9's MINT $4300.00 both
Mr Burn
One Mint Pair of reissued marantz 9's. They have all the original boxes,
both shipping an marantz cartons with the owners manuals and ac cords. The
serial Numbers are consecutive U010164 and U010165.These units were built as a
matched pair. Less than a year old. Retailed for $8400.00 and these are not
made anymoere. Will sell both for $4500.00 plus shipping and insurance via
Federal Express. Email: mrb...@aol.com or call Skipper @ (818) 865-0016
(Southern Calif)
Note: If you send emails with lower offers, I will keep them on file but not
respond right away. I have had a few offers at $4000.00 plus shipping. I will
consider an offer over that price. plus shipping.
Mr Burn
Russ Button
: One Mint Pair of reissued marantz 9's. They have all the original boxes,
: both shipping an marantz cartons with the owners manuals and ac cords. The
: serial Numbers are consecutive U010164 and U010165.These units were built as a
: matched pair. Less than a year old. Retailed for $8400.00 and these are not
: made anymoere. Will sell both for $4500.00 plus shipping and insurance via
I'm sure these amps are wonderful, but is what I just love about the
audio high-end. I will NEVER buy a new piece of high-priced high-end gear!
How can anyone in their right mind pay $2500 for a pre-amp knowing full
well that in 24 months it will be discontinued and the manufacturer
will have come up with something new. They'll justify this by saying something like
"While the Nirvana SP-9 is a remarkable piece of equipment, here at
Princess Audio our continual striving for perfection forced us to bring
you the even more wonderful SP-10." Now that $2500 wonder you plunked
down your hard-earned nickels for is now selling for 40% of what you
paid for it.
Today's $8400 wonder is tomorrow's $4300 white elephant.
Russ Button
GUCCIPHILE
The vintage Marantz 9 looks like a bargain if that's the case.
Russ Button
: The vintage Marantz 9 looks like a bargain if that's the case.
The original Marantz 9 amps are pretty rare and don't come up
for sale very often, which is probably why Marantz reissued them
at $8400. There were people out there willing to pay that much
for them!
It's a great amp, whether it's an original or reissue. But at
$8400??? Or even at $4500?
I've got a friend here in the SF area who feels that the Marantz 8B,
run as a 70 watt monoblock is at least as good sounding as the 9, if
not better. A Marantz 8B can be had for something like $1200, so a
pair of them would be $2400. Suddenly a pair of model 9s at $4500
doesn't look like such a bargin does it?
Russ Button
Laurence Chung
Russ
Marantz 9 is a wonder amp. I have listened to the original and used a
pair of reissued. That are the things I bought without regarts.
Bill B.
got my hands on a model 8 and their model 7 preamp (no, I don't own
them, just got to use them at a person's house). I took the liberty of
dragging along one of my ST70's and a Fisher mono (I only had one..UGH!)
preamo, model 80C and did a little listening comparison. Oh, I also had
my venerable old PAS2 as well. Anyway, to my ears, the Marantz power amp
didn't sound any better then my rebuilt ST70. The big difference was in
the bass. The Marantz 8 had a little deeper sounding bass, but the ST70
made it easier to diferentiate between an upright bass and a bass note
on a piano as well as an electric bass. With the Marantz, bass is bass.
With the Dyna, I could definately differentiate between the instruments.
But, the Dyna was not up to the ultra low 'rumble' bass notes that are
more felt then heard. As for mids and highs, The Marantz was a bit more
mid heavy relative to extreme highs then the Dyna. For the money, I'd
rather have my ST70. As for the preamp, the Dyna was the clear looser.
The Marantz was much better in extreme lows as well as highs. They were
a match, though, on the mids and vocals. Quality of build of the Marantz
was clearly superior. But the ringer, The little Fisher mono 80C blew
them both away! IF I were to have a great preamp, I'd opt for a pair of
these and for the power amp, an ST70. But, remember that My st70 is a
very old Dynakit 70, and it has all new 1% and 2% resistors that I
matched on a digital meter, it also has all new capacitors. It is
actually better then it was when new due to the modern tight tolerance
parts. Although I like the model 7 preamp, the Marantz power amps are
way WAY overpriced. I wish I had access to another Scott LK150. I'd be
willing to bet it would blow everything away, especialy if connected to
a Scott preamp. I know sound quality is in the ears of the beholder, but
this is my take on Marantz equipment. Super quality of build, but not
better sounding enough to justify the cost.
B.B.
GUCCIPHILE
>way WAY overpriced. I wish I had access to another Scott LK150. I'd be
>willing to bet it would blow everything away, especialy if connected to
>a Scott preamp. I know sound quality is in the ears of the beholder, but
>this is my take on Marantz equipment. Super quality of build, but not
>better sounding enough to justify the cost.
I bet you listened to one that was not in mint condition. With the right
tubes, the Marantz sound is nothing short of magical. Try play some strings or
vocal through it. You'll be amazed by how well the amp can reproduce timbre,
texture and the emotional content of the music. Even a pair of $5000 Cary
monoblocs can't do it from my listening experience!
Russ Button
: Russ Button wrote:
:>
:> :>Today's $8400 wonder is tomorrow's $4300 white elephant.
:>
: Marantz 9 is a wonder amp. I have listened to the original and used a
: pair of reissued. That are the things I bought without regarts.
I'm not saying that it isn't terrific. But you might want to set
a pair of Marantz 9s down to a pair of 8Bs run as bridged monoblocks
and you might be surprised.
I suppose I'm just a bit put out by the exorbinate price of some
of these "wonder" amps. Unless I become one of these Silicon Valley
dom com millionaires (which could happen - cross my fingers) I'll
never have that kind of money to spend on a power amp.
The reason an original Marantz 9 costs $4500 to $5000 is simply
supply and demand. There probably weren't that many of them made
to begin with and now everybody wants one. And then Marantz
produced the reissue, which I'm sure is every bit as good as
the original because they took obvious care to make it a careful
reproduction, not an update. And then they charged $8400 for a
pair because they knew they could get it. Talk about a terrific
margin!
I wonder what it would cost to produce a run of 1000 model 9s
and sell them at normal markups.
Russ
Fredric J. Einstein
reissues are in mint condition as he says).
The average going price for these a year ago (when I bought mine new)
was about $5000 for the pair. The big demand for these was obviously
from Japan where they sold like hotcakes. In fact, you couldn't find
a reissue 8B in the states for many months because the demand from the
Far East was so great.
Unfortunately, as the Far East economies' recovery is going very very
slowly, the demand for these beautifully made amps/preamps is very
limited in the Far East. Thus, everyone has been blowing theirs out
at bargain basement prices (as Mr Burn is finding out).
VAC did a beautiful job of repro'ing the 7C, 8B, and 9, going much
further than MacIntosh did for its reissue series. The original
street price of $6500 for a pair of new reissue 9's was gratefully
paid by many "collectors" and people who simply admired the physical
beauty of this equipment.
Perhaps one who is strictly buying a "listening" amp and one who is a
true audiophile can rightfully lambast and compare the 9's Vs the 8B
Vs the Dyna 70 Vs the Fisher. I think that the reissue Marantz stuff
though has an additional value for those who bought them. I also
believe that if the Far East bubble economy regenerates, that prices
for a pair of new or mint reissue 9's will exceed $7500 due to the
Japanese admiration for 60's vintage American tube equipment,
especially Marantz.
Mr. Burn would probably be best advised to hold onto his 9's for a
couple of years rather than blowing them out at $4000 right now.
doctorjohn
you have said it very well. Mr Burn seems to have a hard time selling his,
but that's not his fault and he needs no lambast.
I agree very much that the "value" of things is not easy to assess, and
they may change too. Just a recent example, I was ASTONISHED when an ALTEC
EL34 integrated amp sold on ebay for over $1,200. Surely NOT for the
Peerless trannies, nor the BB EL34s, but for the beauty of the front
plate. Yes, the close up of the front plate and logo was smashingly
beautiful.
And then the issue of sound has always been a difficult one. One thing
that should be mentioned is that these new M9s should be really run-in and
used for quite a while before detailed comparison with the vintage ones. I
am sure the vintage is better but the repros are no slouch. I just talked
to a professional vintage dealer who sold McIntosh 240 when it was NEW,
and he said it didn't sound like what it does now, and that's using the
same JBL speakers. Perhaps aging does bring a different sound but we would
not know easily.
Fredric J. Einstein wrote:
> Mr Burn is asking a very reasonable price (assuming his Marantz 9
> reissues are in mint condition as he says).
> Mr. Burn would probably be best advised to hold onto his 9's for a
Russ Button
: I was waiting for someone to say something civilized for the repro's and
: you have said it very well. Mr Burn seems to have a hard time selling his,
: but that's not his fault and he needs no lambast.
I hope you didn't construe my words to be a lambast so much as a lament.
: I agree very much that the "value" of things is not easy to assess, and
: they may change too. Just a recent example, I was ASTONISHED when an ALTEC
: EL34 integrated amp sold on ebay for over $1,200. Surely NOT for the
: Peerless trannies, nor the BB EL34s, but for the beauty of the front
: plate. Yes, the close up of the front plate and logo was smashingly
: beautiful.
The "value" of something is what folks are willing to pay for it, and
is related to supply and demand, as this situation so clearly indicates.
Before the reissued units came about, it was a very rare thing to see
a Marantz 9 for sale at all, and when they were, it was at least
$5000 for a pair, even 10 years ago! Supply and demand. That
Marantz was able to get $8400/pair for these amps is the ONLY
reason they got reissued. Being in business is about profit, and
if there are insane profits to be made, then you can bet they're
going to go get 'em.
It was because of that demand the the reissue ones came about.
: And then the issue of sound has always been a difficult one. One thing
: that should be mentioned is that these new M9s should be really run-in and
: used for quite a while before detailed comparison with the vintage ones. I
: am sure the vintage is better but the repros are no slouch.
Why shouldn't a reproduction be as good as the original, if not a wee
bit better? We have all these much improved resistors and capacitors
available to us today that everyone is using. You can't look at a
vintage tube amp and not see new and improved caps in it. And I
can't believe that the Marantz reproduction had truly identical parts
made up for it. If anything, I'd expect that the capacitors and
resistors are of a quality old Saul Marantz could only have dreamed of.
There's no reason the transformers can't be exact copies of the originals.
I'd fully expect the repros to be at least as good as the originals.
I just wonder what the market value of these amps would be if they
were as plentiful as the 8B.
I agree that the reissues will only become more valuable over time.
Russ Button
FAMILYPROB
>to a professional vintage dealer who sold McIntosh 240 when it was NEW,
>and he said it didn't sound like what it does now, and that's using the
>same JBL speakers. Perhaps aging does bring a different sound but we would
>not know easily.
Sounds like he retubed it with different tubes. If you dont use the right tubes
you dont get the right sound. I have people walking in every week trying to
sell me their hardly used specialty tubes for a fraction of what they paid
because they made their amp sound worse than the ones that were in the amp. If
you didnt hear the amp with good sounding tubes you cannot judge it. I have
heard many great amps sound like dirt with cheap-o tubes. Put in the right
ones.... Oh Yeah.. Jim
Learn more about the Wonderful World of Tubes at <A
HREF="http://www.triodeel.com">http://www.triodeel.com</A>
Robert Schneider
slick, you gonna start putting your vintage audio inventory up on it,
too?
Bob Schneider
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Who bought the pair of Marantz 9 at the last? I live in Cupertino, so we might get together sometimes. I am an audiophile.
- Gordon
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> FS:Marantz 9's MINT $4300.00 both
>
> both shipping an marantz cartons with the owners manuals and ac cords. The
> serial Numbers are consecutive U010164 and U010165.These units were built as a
> matched pair. Less than a year old. Retailed for $8400.00 and these are not
> made anymoere. Will sell both for $4500.00 plus shipping and insurance via
> (Southern Calif)
>
> Note: If you send emails with lower offers, I will keep them on file but not
> respond right away. I have had a few offers at $4000.00 plus shipping. I will
> consider an offer over that price. plus shipping.
Do you have the pair?
- Gordon
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