Monster Audio Cable
Patrick Dunford
I find it is a sort of mauve-purply colour, not at all like copper.
I was trying to fit a new plug to a cable yesterday, but ordinary electronic
solder must have the wrong type of flux in it for this type of metal because
the cable won't tin.
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Geoff Wood
explain the strange colour and porr tinning. Strange.....
geoff
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Patrick Dunford
>Are you sure you are not trying to solder onto the insulation ? This would
>explain the strange colour and porr tinning. Strange.....
No, the cable strands are individually this colour.
If you are aware of what Monster cable is then you must know that it is a
high quality audio cable and that these types of cables typically are made
of metals other than ordinary copper, with correspondingly exotic claims
made for them.
>"Patrick Dunford" <a47...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:MPG.1575b7e33...@news.clear.net.nz...
>> What type of metal are the conductors made of?
>>
>> I find it is a sort of mauve-purply colour, not at all like copper.
>>
>> I was trying to fit a new plug to a cable yesterday, but ordinary
>electronic
>> solder must have the wrong type of flux in it for this type of metal
>because
>> the cable won't tin.
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
> If you are aware of what Monster cable is then you must know that it is a
> high quality audio cable and that these types of cables typically are made
> of metals other than ordinary copper, with correspondingly exotic claims
> made for them.
Yes , well the name indicates the price you have to pay for the stuff - it
has nothing to do with the quality :)
enkidu
very strong covalent bonds with other pandemonium atoms so that
the cable is essentially a pipe full of free electrons, with
very very low resistance - similar in some ways to a super-
conductor. It is often alloyed with enriched uranium, so that
the emitted neutrons assist in "loosening" the electrons
from the matrix.
Pandemonium will not alloy with solder - the atoms are too
large. However if the percentage of enriched uranium is
high enough, you should be able to solder with an
aluminium solder flux, in an inert atmosphere.
Hope that helps.
Cheers,
Cliff
craig osborn
high current or has had exposure to the elements.
That would explain both symptoms.
JEFF
Patrick Dunford wrote in message ...
Geoff Wood
audiophile cables. Others may contain silver, but usually only small-signal
cables.
I suspect your cable is tarnished, maybe through environmental exposure, or
charred with heat. I have never seen Monster (or any other) cable with
purple conductors, and I have seen more than a few .....
geoff
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Chris Gill
: We use the really thick cable designed for the earth and electrode
: conductors on 400 Amp welding machines. Admittedly it is difficult to
: run under the carpet but the difference in sound, well, words fail
: me...
I wonder when they are going to start replacing the tracks on the pcb with
some 8mm^2 cable?
Patrick Dunford
>Monster cable is made of an element called pandemonium. It forms
>very strong covalent bonds with other pandemonium atoms so that
>the cable is essentially a pipe full of free electrons, with
>very very low resistance - similar in some ways to a super-
>conductor. It is often alloyed with enriched uranium, so that
>the emitted neutrons assist in "loosening" the electrons
>from the matrix.
>
>Pandemonium will not alloy with solder - the atoms are too
>large. However if the percentage of enriched uranium is
>high enough, you should be able to solder with an
>aluminium solder flux, in an inert atmosphere.
I think I'll just chuck it in the rubbish. Enriched uranium? freaky
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Patrick Dunford
>
>>Monster cable is made of an element called pandemonium. It forms
>>very strong covalent bonds with other pandemonium atoms so that
>>the cable is essentially a pipe full of free electrons, with
>>very very low resistance - similar in some ways to a super-
>>conductor. It is often alloyed with enriched uranium, so that
>>the emitted neutrons assist in "loosening" the electrons
>>from the matrix.
>>
>>Pandemonium will not alloy with solder - the atoms are too
>>large. However if the percentage of enriched uranium is
>>high enough, you should be able to solder with an
>>aluminium solder flux, in an inert atmosphere.
>
>Can't remember an element called pandemonium when i studied chemistry.
>What atomic number is it? Is it a transition element? Quite possibly,
>it's ending is similar to uranium and plutonium. Enriched uranium
>emitting neutrons? aka radioactivity. And not even 1st April. Here are
>some tests:
>Does your cable weigh about 10 kg's?
>Does it glow in the dark?
>Do you glow in the dark?
ROFL
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Patrick Dunford
>It is possiable that this is a damaged cable,either it has been stressed by
>high current or has had exposure to the elements.
>That would explain both symptoms.
It's a balanced mic lead, and was functioning perfectly until the plastic
ferrule on the back of one of the plugs broke.
>JEFF
>Patrick Dunford wrote in message ...
>>What type of metal are the conductors made of?
>>
>>I find it is a sort of mauve-purply colour, not at all like copper.
>>
>>I was trying to fit a new plug to a cable yesterday, but ordinary
>electronic
>>solder must have the wrong type of flux in it for this type of metal
>because
>>the cable won't tin.
>>
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>>Patrick Dunford, Christchurch, NZ - http://pdunford.godzone.net.nz/
>>
>> For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
>>works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
>> -- Ephesians 2:10
>> http://www.StudyLight.org/desk/?query=Ephesians+2:10
>
>
>
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Patrick Dunford
>Yes I am aware, but afaik Monster cable is OFC copper, like 99% of similar
>audiophile cables. Others may contain silver, but usually only small-signal
>cables.
>
>I suspect your cable is tarnished, maybe through environmental exposure, or
>charred with heat. I have never seen Monster (or any other) cable with
>purple conductors, and I have seen more than a few .....
not likely to be heated with a few millivolts of dynamic mic signal passing
through it... and how does it get tarnished inside the insulation?
Maybe they supply the ends pre-tinned, all fine until you have to renew one
end.
>
>geoff
>
>"Patrick Dunford" <a47...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 23 May 2001 11:40:19 +1200 AD in nz.general, Geoff Wood said:
>>
>> >Are you sure you are not trying to solder onto the insulation ? This
>would
>> >explain the strange colour and porr tinning. Strange.....
>>
>> No, the cable strands are individually this colour.
>>
>> If you are aware of what Monster cable is then you must know that it is a
>> high quality audio cable and that these types of cables typically are made
>> of metals other than ordinary copper, with correspondingly exotic claims
>> made for them.
>>
>
>
>
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Arny Krueger
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>
> >Monster cable is made of an element called pandemonium. It forms
> >very strong covalent bonds with other pandemonium atoms so that
> >the cable is essentially a pipe full of free electrons, with
> >very very low resistance - similar in some ways to a super-
> >conductor. It is often alloyed with enriched uranium, so that
> >the emitted neutrons assist in "loosening" the electrons
> >from the matrix.
> >Pandemonium will not alloy with solder - the atoms are too
> >large. However if the percentage of enriched uranium is
> >high enough, you should be able to solder with an
> >aluminium solder flux, in an inert atmosphere.
> Can't remember an element called pandemonium when i studied
chemistry.
Same column in the Periodic Table as Unobtanium.
> What atomic number is it?
An irrational number.
>Is it a transition element?
It is always in transition.
>Quite possibly,
> it's ending is similar to uranium and plutonium. Enriched uranium
> emitting neutrons? aka radioactivity. And not even 1st April. Here
are
> some tests:
> Does your cable weigh about 10 kg's?
> Does it glow in the dark?
> Do you glow in the dark?
LOL!
Steve Morphet
> On Wed, 23 May 2001 11:40:19 +1200 AD in nz.general, Geoff Wood said:
>
> >Are you sure you are not trying to solder onto the insulation ?
> >This would explain the strange colour and porr tinning. Strange.....
>
> No, the cable strands are individually this colour.
This sounds like a 'Litz' style wire with individually insulated
strands. To solder it you could try to scrape the insulation off with
a sharp knife. Alternatively, you may find that it will burn/melt
off if you leave the heat on for a bit longer. Be careful not to
damage any soft plastic insulation with too much heat though.
Steve.
BR
<a47...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Patrick Dunford" <a47...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:MPG.1575d248e...@news.clear.net.nz...
>>> On Wed, 23 May 2001 11:40:19 +1200 AD in nz.general, Geoff Wood said:
>>>
>>> >Are you sure you are not trying to solder onto the insulation ? This
>>would
>>> >explain the strange colour and porr tinning. Strange.....
>>>
>>> No, the cable strands are individually this colour.
>>>
>>> If you are aware of what Monster cable is then you must know that it is a
>>> high quality audio cable and that these types of cables typically are made
>>> of metals other than ordinary copper, with correspondingly exotic claims
>>> made for them.
Speaking as someone involved in the design and maintainance of
recording studios, the advantages claimed for this type of cable over
ordinary cable are complete bullshit.
Bill.
Eugene A. Pallat
> Speaking as someone involved in the design and maintainance of
> recording studios, the advantages claimed for this type of cable over
> ordinary cable are complete bullshit.
I recall reading an article a few years ago by the guy who did the original study
upon which all of the so-called super cable hype is based. He said pretty much
the same thing, but in a somewhat more diplomatic way. Too many people
misinterpreted his original data. Just make sure the wire gauge is heavy enough
for for the current to the speakers. All to often I see 22 to 28 gauge wire being
use for speakers which is ridiculous. For short runs in a home, I use 16 gauge,
longer 14, and 12 for the longest.
Gene Pallat
Orion Data Systems
Orion Forensics
GregS
>Yes I am aware, but afaik Monster cable is OFC copper, like 99% of similar
>audiophile cables. Others may contain silver, but usually only small-signal
>cables.
>
>I suspect your cable is tarnished, maybe through environmental exposure, or
>charred with heat. I have never seen Monster (or any other) cable with
>purple conductors, and I have seen more than a few .....
More so in the past, I have worked with typical cheap power cord, typically 18
or 16 guage. I believe some cording has some kind of coating on the individual
strands, practically litz wire. It might have something to do with
anticorrosian properties to keep the individual strands from bonding together.
Now, if we had an expert, say from Beldon, perhaps they could shed some light
on this subject. Any time I have to solder this stuff I get out the sandpaper,
otherwise I have problems. I can also see some problems using screwdown
connectors. The coloring is most like a dark brown to purple, almost like
overheated metal.
greg
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Geoff Wood
presumably for strength. That could stuff up your soldering ...
geoff
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enkidu
>
> On Wed, 23 May 2001 14:38:55 +1200 AD in nz.general, enkidu said:
>
> >Monster cable is made of an element called pandemonium. It forms
> >very strong covalent bonds with other pandemonium atoms so that
> >the cable is essentially a pipe full of free electrons, with
> >very very low resistance - similar in some ways to a super-
> >conductor. It is often alloyed with enriched uranium, so that
> >the emitted neutrons assist in "loosening" the electrons
> >from the matrix.
> >
> >Pandemonium will not alloy with solder - the atoms are too
> >large. However if the percentage of enriched uranium is
> >high enough, you should be able to solder with an
> >aluminium solder flux, in an inert atmosphere.
>
> I think I'll just chuck it in the rubbish. Enriched uranium?
> freaky
>
Cheers,
Cliff
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BR wrote:
>
> Speaking as someone involved in the design and maintainance of
> recording studios, the advantages claimed for this type of cable over
> ordinary cable are complete bullshit.
>
> Bill.
Good. I'll run bell wire then.
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Brian Dooley
wrote:
Speaking as ditto, absolutely. But let's face it, there is no
persuading your true audiophile except by running extensive
double blind tests, and who can afford that. And who cares
anyway, let the silly sods spend their money.
Brian Dooley
Wellington New Zealand
Brian Dooley
wrote:
>Monster cable is made of an element called pandemonium. It forms
>very strong covalent bonds with other pandemonium atoms so that
>the cable is essentially a pipe full of free electrons, with
>very very low resistance - similar in some ways to a super-
>conductor. It is often alloyed with enriched uranium, so that
>the emitted neutrons assist in "loosening" the electrons
>from the matrix.
>
>Pandemonium will not alloy with solder - the atoms are too
>large. However if the percentage of enriched uranium is
>high enough, you should be able to solder with an
>aluminium solder flux, in an inert atmosphere.
>
>Hope that helps.
Just keep it away from your knackers.
Brian Dooley
<a47...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 23 May 2001 03:07:10 GMT AD in nz.general, craig osborn said:
>
>>It is possiable that this is a damaged cable,either it has been stressed by
>>high current or has had exposure to the elements.
>>That would explain both symptoms.
>
>It's a balanced mic lead, and was functioning perfectly until the plastic
>ferrule on the back of one of the plugs broke.
Perhaps it was originally swaged, and if so there is probably no
show of it being soldered.
Arny Krueger
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Could easily be enameled wire. Remove the coating with fine
sandpaper. Sometimes you can burn it off with a match or a lighter.
BTW I did some tests on Monster speaker cable that had individually
insulated strands that seemed to be about 12 gauge. I compared it to
$0.25 per foot 12 gauge finely stranded wire from Home Depot. The
Home Depot wire had slightly lower loss at all audio frequencies 10
Hz - 40 KHz.
GregS
>
>"GregS" <szek...@pitt.edu> wrote in message
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>> In article <tgmcfqg...@news.supernews.com>, "Geoff Wood"
>
>insulated strands that seemed to be about 12 gauge. I compared it to
>$0.25 per foot 12 gauge finely stranded wire from Home Depot. The
>Home Depot wire had slightly lower loss at all audio frequencies 10
>Hz - 40 KHz.
I guess you could either measure the resistance or find the dc current
carrying drop to see if its a standard guage.
greg
Arny Krueger
I guess. The point I was trying to make is that the individually
insulated stranding did not substantially decrease losses at high
frequencies in the audible range. The two (series) impedance curves
were almost perfectly parallel and quite close at all frequencies.
The regular 12 gauge stranded wire obviously had a tiny bit more
copper in it.
I've also made a shorter cable using multiple parallel-connected Cat
5 cables, even unbundling the cables and twisting all the strands
together in one bundle. I really expected far less inductive losses
due to greater mutual inductance if not reduction of skin effect
losses. So far I haven't seen that benefit materialize on my test
bench, either.
I've spent a little time searching around
http://members.nbci.com/Jon_Risch/emf1.htm and can't really find any
similar measurements of actual cables, which seem key to claims that
cable designs like these are technically beneficial. I think I now
know why...
Calan
Turns out that I have a lot of Pandemonium around my house...
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Eugene A. Pallat
> BR wrote:
> >
>
> > Speaking as someone involved in the design and maintainance of
> > recording studios, the advantages claimed for this type of cable over
> > ordinary cable are complete bullshit.
> >
> > Bill.
>
> Good. I'll run bell wire then.
Re-read the litterature. The wire ->must<- be able to handle the current
required. Just use heavy gauge wire - nothing less than 16 gauge for short
runs.
craig osborn
similar effect as exposure to elements or maybe an enamel coating either
would be hard to solder without removing first.
rsmor
quality/priced speaker wire. Julian Hirsch himself took part with other
notables.
Except for a noticeable drop in volume caused by the cheapest Radio Shack
give-away crap (compensated for in their blind testing) even the GOLDEN
EARS of the industry were ALL fooled......u may be able to measure
something, but you will NOT hear the difference between lamp cord and
Monster Cable (and yes, I got suckered in. too.)
Now my whole recording studio is wired with heater cord (16/2 gauge). Much
easier to use, very durable and reasonably priced!
RSMOR
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Patrick Dunford
Whatever. I have been handed a cable to repair, my primary interest is is
doing just that
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Brian Tozer
immediately dunk it into meths.
Being very careful with meths vapor and flame.
Brian Tozer
Francois Yves Le Gal <fle...@free.fr> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 23 May 2001 11:05:32 +1200, Patrick Dunford <a47...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I find it is a sort of mauve-purply colour, not at all like copper.
>
> Could very well be some kind of Litz wires, a multistrand cable with
> individual enamel or, nowadays, polyurethane insulation.
>
> >I was trying to fit a new plug to a cable yesterday, but ordinary
electronic
> >solder must have the wrong type of flux in it for this type of metal
because
> >the cable won't tin.
>
> Litz behaves exactly this way. You either need to dissolve the
> insulating layer or use a solder pot.
>
>
StuWelwood
>Date: 5/25/01 9:30 AM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <9elts5$bto$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz>
>
>Traditional method with litz wire was to heat it with a naked flame, then
>immediately dunk it into meths.
>Being very careful with meths vapor and flame.
>
>Brian Tozer
Exactly what is "meths?"
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