Differences? JBL D-130 E-130 K-130 2135
Jonathan
Anyone know the differences between these 15" drivers. I'm looking to
put them in an old jbl 4530 scoop. Any help would be appreciated....on
the 4530 cabinet as well
Thanks
Jonathan
Little Labs
Professional Audio Design, Manufacturing and Consulting
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Harvey Gerst
>Hey everyone
>Anyone know the differences between these 15" drivers. I'm looking to
>put them in an old jbl 4530 scoop. Any help would be appreciated....on
>the 4530 cabinet as well
>Thanks
Jonathan,
Most of the models you list happened after I left JBL, except for the D130. The
E and K are musical instrument speakers, which shouldn't be any big problem;
they're probably a little quieter than the D130, but they should work ok. I
assume the 2135 is the latest model of the 15" full range speaker?
When they went to the four digit numbers, I got totally lost. I'd need to see a
picture of the 4530 (which I'm assuming is a short, rear-loaded, folded horn)
before I can tell you any more.
Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/
Peter Larsen
> Hey everyone
Hi Jonathan, have you heard about something called the web ..? ...
http://www.jblpro.com has all the info, but not the advice you get now.
> Anyone know the differences between these 15" drivers. I'm looking to
> put them in an old jbl 4530 scoop.
D130, E130, and K130 ... all are midrange units or for front horns, I
don't know about the 2135 - oh, I can see in my old catalog at
http://www.lansingheritage.org/images/jbl/catalogs/1971-pro/page07.jpg
that it is the same general family. 100 watts integrated programme is
not a lot of powerhandling and all are "small excursion high efficiency"
types, it is highly likely that you will blow them up if used as
intended. If you assume less than 50 watts powerhandling then it is
permisible to use them as instrument loudspeakers.
The unit CSR in Copenhagen used in single rear loaded 4530 bins was the
2205. That is/was a bass unit. It really really is a bass unit. A unit
with a decent excursion capability is required for that cabinet.
> Any help would be appreciated....on the 4530 cabinet as well
They may need bracing. They should be used with a 40 Hz minimum 12 dB
pr. octave high pass filter. Their efficency is amazing. Stack 4 on the
side - beware of stack stability issues - and you have a very impressive
low range.
> Thanks
> Jonathan
>
> Little Labs
> Professional Audio Design, Manufacturing and Consulting
> http://www.littlelabs.com/
> vox/fax :323.851.6860
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Harvey Gerst
OK, the D130 has an aluminum voice coil, the 2135 uses a copper voice coil. I'll
hafta check to see what the E and K are.
Peter Larsen
> OK, the D130 has an aluminum voice coil, the 2135 uses a copper voice coil. I'll
> hafta check to see what the E and K are.
D for home use, E for electrically amplified guitar and K for PA low
midrange would be my estimate, but knowing is better than assuming.
> Harvey Gerst
> Indian Trail Recording Studio
> http://www.ITRstudio.com/
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Mike Diack
<pla...@mail.tele.dk> wrote:
>Harvey Gerst wrote:
>
>> OK, the D130 has an aluminum voice coil, the 2135 uses a copper voice coil. I'll
>> hafta check to see what the E and K are.
>
>D for home use, E for electrically amplified guitar and K for PA low
>midrange would be my estimate, but knowing is better than assuming.
My understanding is that E and K were more or less identical except
that Ks had Alnico magnets (nice..easier to lift) and Es had big nasty
heavy mud magnets.
M
Jonathan
Thanks,
I am aware of the Lansing Heritage site and the vintage JBL pro site.
However it did seem these drivers were all very similar and I thought
one of you would have the inside scoop. No pun intended(4530 scooop
;~))). The reason I am interested in this, is I had as a kid growing
up around Standford University campus, 4530 cabinets with D-130s
installed in them and an 075 tweeter crossed over at 2500Hz. They
were bought from the Physics department lecture tank and I believe
Joan Baez sang through them and possibly her dad built the cabinets.
In fact they were a birthday present from my dad and they blew my
mind. He told me he bought me some Jensen speakers at a sale, when I
saw these I almost shit. JBL back then to me was very cool. I remember
they could play Physical Graffiti in my bedroom incredibly loud, way
punchy... way fun . Anyway The D-130s in them never came close to
blowing up, despite the theoretical nature of the beast... and call it
a mid life crisis but over the 4th of July I was in a shed in back of
the property where my old dad lives and I saw those 4530s and went,
damn I'd like to listen to those again. I sold the D-130 drivers and
the 075 tweeters to finance a 3 month long hitch-hiking trip back in
1978, so I am looking to replace the D-130s and I want to try ..call
me kwazy, the 4530s with a D-130 and a jbl 2360 B horn with a tad
driver for the top crossed over at 1200 HZ or ?. I have a feeling this
would sound great in my big living room, and after years of being a
magneplanar man I have a craving for pure over the top dynamics.
Besides that it would be a great system for testing my Dis and such. I
also have two vmps large subs with a 12" and 15" for below 40Hz where
this cabinet won't go. Any comments on this whole set up would be
great ,the system is just for good party fun but my goal is Hi fi .
In fact any of the components I mentioned I need, and I just had a
quick thought, if any of you studio rats have what I need maybe you
might consider some bartering for little labs goods.... just a
thought. Sorry for blabbing on here
all the best
Jonathan
geo...@gjhsun.cl.msu.edu
of the frame. But E is as you describe. Hopefully The Pope can clear this
up once and for all.
Peter Larsen
> punchy... way fun . Anyway The D-130s in them never came close to
> blowing up, despite the theoretical nature of the beast...
Home use is a very different issue, you came across as wanting to do
sound reinforcement and as having a pile of mixed old JBLs that you
wanted to use with those bins.
> and call it a mid life crisis but over the 4th of July I was
> in a shed in back of the property where my old dad lives and I
> saw those 4530s ....
It is a VERY different sitution when you are aiming to purchase drivers.
There are two choices:
either get the E130's - and yes, they are instrument speakers with that
prefix, just checked it - and cross at 1200 HZ to a 2226 1" driver on a
2370A horn, it is not totally in style, but not too distant from the
2345 horn of that day and age.
or get a pair of 2226's - this to have a non-duraluminium centerdome,
and start touring pawnshops and ebay and the back lot behind your nearby
sound reinforcement co. for a pair of 2390 lenses and put the TAD's on
those. You might want to toss in a pair of 2405's too .... it will be
totally in style.
Subs will probably not be required. For amplification: get a NAD 906 or
NAD 916, someone else may be able to suggest a suitable electronic
cross-over, 800 Hz and 6k5 will do just fine in this context, minimum 12
dB pr. octave, I would aim for 18 to keep the parts count down, many
people will have great explanations of why 24 dB pr. octave is better in
spite of having more cross-over components.
If possible always get compression drivers as 16 Ohm. It is more of a
problem to find an amp that is small enough than to find one that is big
enough. Oh - and remember a series cap, you may want to include it in
the cross-over math.
> great ,the system is just for good party fun but my goal is Hi fi .
And that is why I made suggestion 2 of the above. Don't just rush
building it, wait for at least 25 minutes in case somebody knows about a
possible snag with what I suggested.
> Sorry for blabbing on here
Nothing to be sorry about.
> all the best
> Jonathan
Analogeezer
I don't know a lot about the actual drivers per se, except that people
tend to pay insane amounts of money for the D130's.
When I started out playing, a 2 x 15" JBL setup was the hot rig for
bass...so with money from my first college summer job, I bought a pair
of K-130's and put them in a pair of homemade single 15" cabinets.
I later realized that I probably really wanted the 140 series for
bass, as the 130's were a little thin sounding on the lows (at least
through my crappy ass non-designed, make them look cool, hey a huge
port looks right cabinets).
By the time I bought some 140's, the K series had been superceded by
the E series, or at least that is what I was told. I sold the E-130's
to a guy that built cabinets that were a copy of mine....didn't have
the heart to tell him the things would sound like ass.
I bought the K130's in 1978, the E140's in 1982. FWIW I used the E140
cabs until about 1990, then I replaced the whole schmiel with a
lighter, smaller rig.
I kept the E-140's though, right now one is in a keyboard/vocal
monitor frankenstein thing...
One of the E-140's is loaded in an old square Sunn PA cabinet, with a
Carvin bass guitar cabinet crossover (2.5 Khz), and a Peavey CH-3 horn
with a 22A compression driver. Curiously enough, the damn thing sounds
better than any of the factory built monitors I've got, my keyboard
player loves the thing.
The other E-140 is still in one of the original single 15" cabinets, I
need to get around some time to building another matching monitor to
the one made from the Sunn cabinet.
Hey anybody got an old, small Sunn single 15" with horn PA cab laying
around?
Oh yeah, FWIW I also have a pair of old single Scoops (bought in the
1980's when every bar band had these things) with E-145's in
em.....those things kick some serious ass when given enough power!
I also have 4408 and 4401 studio monitors....I guess you can say I'm a
JBL fan.
Still looking for those underwear with the JBL logos on them <g>
Analogeezer
Bob Ross
> When I started out playing, a 2 x 15" JBL setup was the hot rig for
> bass...so with money from my first college summer job, I bought a pair
> of K-130's and put them in a pair of homemade single 15" cabinets.
>
> I later realized that I probably really wanted the 140 series for
> bass, as the 130's were a little thin sounding on the lows
In 1976 I bought an apparently anonymous large 2x15" guitar cabinet covered in black&white snakeskin tolex
from We Buy Guitars on 48th St. NYC for $50.
Upon getting this monstrosity home (no small feat in a Volkwagen Beetle!), it turned out to be a Fender
Dual Showman cabinet, which at that time were coming stock with JBL D130 drivers.
Best $50 I ever spent in my life.
Yeah, a little thin for bass guitar (though adequate for the clubs & basements we were playing then)... but
unbelievable sounding for guitar.
/Bob Ross
Guitarboy1733324
Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2002 6:13 PM >>
<< Analogeezer wrote:
> When I started out playing, a 2 x 15" JBL setup was the hot rig for
> bass...so with money from my first college summer job, I bought a pair
> of K-130's and put them in a pair of homemade single 15" cabinets.
>
> I later realized that I probably really wanted the 140 series for
> bass, as the 130's were a little thin sounding on the lows
In 1976 I bought an apparently anonymous large 2x15" guitar cabinet covered in
black&white snakeskin tolex
from We Buy Guitars on 48th St. NYC for $50.
Upon getting this monstrosity home (no small feat in a Volkwagen Beetle!), it
turned out to be a Fender
Dual Showman cabinet, which at that time were coming stock with JBL D130
drivers.
Best $50 I ever spent in my life. >>
We Buy Guitars, the greatest guitar store that ever existed. I remember the
beat up old fenders and gibsons in the windows, and the amps and stuff in every
nook and cranny of that huge mess of a store. They had the ampeg porta flex
2X12 guitar amps (i think those are rare) and tons of fenders and all kinds of
stuff at what I thought were ridiculous prices but reality was you could get a
genuine 57 2 tone strat for like under a grand and that wasnt bad. I got a 55
tele from them for $450 if you can believe that.
Joe Schottman
> Anyone know the differences between these 15" drivers. I'm looking to
> put them in an old jbl 4530 scoop. Any help would be appreciated....on
> the 4530 cabinet as well
If you don't mind getting away from JBL, I use Emminence 15"s in scoops
that sound better than some of the JBLs.
Joe Schottman