Doobie Brothers famous flange sound

[Bill Jones]

Hello All,

Does anyone know how they got that incredible flange on "Listen to the
Music"?

Also, who recorded it and where?

Thanks in advance...

Bill Jones

[Bob Rowlette]

I don't know any details about the original recording session but I'm
pretty sure that the effect is tape flanging. A typical tape flanging
setup uses two reel-to-reel analog tape recorders that are both fed
the same input signal (an individual track or even an entire mix) with
both machines set to record-repro mode. Combining the output of both
machines while varispeeding one machine produces the flanging sound.
I've heard that before varispeed was common engineers would slow one
of the two tape machines down slightly by dragging a thumb on the
supply reel flange hence the name flanging. I've never heard an
effects box match the sound of real tape flanging. Also check out The
Eagles "Life in the Fast Lane" and Jimi Hendrix "Axis Bold as Love".
All tape flanging I believe. I have also heard that flanging was used
as far back as the late 1950s.

[John Deacon]

That sound can, and was , created in the early 70's in the UK with an
adr double tracker, i beleive sub-titled a sound shape module. These
things obviously are out of production for about 20 yrs now, they sit in
a scamp rack. Have various outputs on the rear connector for tapped
delays and flanging. Cant remember the model, I have 3 in the scamp rack
at home, but produce an excellent sound. Talked about these with T
arnold, (king crimson etc), he still keeps a bunch of this equipment in
the uk. Ive used many racks full of ADR's equipment over the years, and
found this as one of the sweetest flangers i could find

--
John W Deacon
ROSS Technology
Austin Tx

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[Wally Wawro]

In article <334815fd...@news.one.net>, rob...@one.net (Bob Rowlette)
wrote:

The classic classic early 60's flange sound is on the Toni Fisher single....
"The Big Hurt." Goes on through the entire song!

[Elaine Lauricella]

Bill Jones wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> Does anyone know how they got that incredible flange on "Listen to the
> Music"?
>
> Also, who recorded it and where?
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
> Bill Jones

The Doobie Brothers recorded at Sunset Sound and indeed with Don
Landee and Ted Tempelman producing. I was the chief audio engineer(on
the road) with the Doobie Brothers during this time and until 1977. The
crew (audio) consisted of myself, David Carroll, (of DCE now) Jim
McKeever, Cliff whose last name now escapes me, and Fitz of Crossroads
audio.
We toured extensively and built our own sound system in only 6 weeks
with approximately 40 people working around the clock. 33 Crowns
DC-300A's in the main system. This system was designed by myself,
Charlie Butten of Butten Sound, Bob Cohen of Bob Cohen Sound, now Bob
is the sole owner of Clear-Com intercom systems of Berkely, Charlie now
is a design engineer with Clear-Com. The effects racks were pretty
basic in those days and contained 4 Spectra-Sonic's 610 comp/limiters,
4 Allisson Kepex 500 expander gates, 4 Allisson Gain Brain 700
Compressors, Nacamachi 1000 cassette deck, and 8 API 550 Equalizers, and
passive Altec 1/2 octave equalizers. We had one of the first Eventide
1745M delays and had to hire Guy Lawton of Eventide to keep the dam
thing running and Guy was one of the best guys in the crew, if anyone
knows how to contact him let me know. The crossover was custom designed
by Charlie Butten and myself on the floor of the Doobies Warehouse in
San Francisco. There were many other people involved in this adventure
and I still keep in contact with many of them. The main system consisted
of Cerwin Vega elephant dual 18 cabinets with two Crows running in mono
into each 18 they were with barn doors and hit 148db at 40 feet! The
low mids gave us our biggest problems they were Community 150Hz cutoff
fiberglass horns with a cast epoxy manifold with 4 JBL 4282 compression
drivers they weighed about 350 lbs. each (nick named "ball-busters")
but they were load! The high mids were JBL 60 degree radials with twin
2440 JBL drivers. The high end was with custom Mark Wayne of Db Sound
of the bay area, three with one JBL 2420 driver in an array of 3.
Contrary to popular belief and advertisment claims to the contrary this
system was the first trapazoid system that I am aware of. There were 4
stacks per side in an array at stage level and there were also 2 stacks
of 3 custom birch cabinets in a horm for base (4'x4'x18") with a single
gauss dirver and three of these permanetly stacked with a 36" JBL lens
with dual JBL 2440 drivers (these sounded very sweet and dam load the
basses were designed by Bob Cohen and Charlie Butten. There were also
two small stacks with dual 15" Cerwin-Vegas with a small horn
(fiberglass) with dual JBL 2482 drivers and dual JBL 2420 drivers.
We never used tape flange live however, Patrick Simmons (guitar) did
use a Maestro flanger stomp box.
We the crew and band were a family and we still see each other and
keep in contact after all these years. If you would like I can contact
the band and resolve this issue.
Best Regards,
Dennis J. "Radar" Lauricella
Del-Pro Audio
Lakehurst, New Jersey

[TNT]

In <334947...@mail.idt.net>, Elaine Lauricella <el...@mail.idt.net> writes:
>The>low mids gave us our biggest problems they were Community 150Hz cutoff
>fiberglass horns with a cast epoxy manifold with 4 JBL 4282 compression
>drivers they weighed about 350 lbs. each (nick named "ball-busters")
>but they were load!

Do you care to tell us the story on how many diaphragms you went
through on the tour???

When was the system that utilizes the Leviathan's for the low end on
tour??? (The picture Community uses in some brochures...)

TNT

[Elaine Lauricella]

The only time that we blew any diaphrams was when we did the H.I.C.
in Hawaii. Apparently we blew 32 JBL2440 2" diaprams from what we could
tell it was from a radar pulse from the Navy. Even though we normally
carried many many diaphrams it was decided not to take this extremely
large case to Hawaii, not my decision (road manager Chuck Wolf's
decision). Luckly we were able to beg and borrow all 32 new ones from
friends and Sam of Odysee Sound in Hawaii. What a bitch to change them
all before the show.
As to the Community Levi, they were either before my time or after I
left. I have seen the ads and have little to say either good or bad
about Community.
Two of the worst things to happen was the time the stage hands forgot
to load the foh console in the truck and we had to charter a plane to
fly the console in time for the next nights show we were lucky! The
other time the foh board was severly damaged in the tractor trailer and
the console frame came out of the wooden console case and took out the
vu meters, the graphics, the summing amps, and crossover. We were out
with the Eagles between the two crews we were able to get 16 inputs
working and all eight busses working it was not the best show but it
proved what determined, dedicated, and very knowledgable audio crews can
do under extremely adverse conditions I believe this show was somewhere
in West Virginia in 1974. I have nothing but respect, love, and a sense
of family with both the Doobies crew, the band members, and Bruce
Cohen's managment style and dedication. Over the years we have lost
several family members: Bobby Jay Lakind (lighting crew member and
later percussionist) Oscar Harris (truck driver and all around good
friend), Dixie (whose last name escapes me now, who died on the road
in Europe with Michael Jackson's crew of a massive heart attack).
We all miss them greatly!
Dennis "Radar" Lauricella
Delpro Audio N.J.

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[Elaine Lauricella]

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[TNT]

In <334ACA...@mail.idt.net>, Elaine Lauricella <el...@mail.idt.net> writes:
> The only time that we blew any diaphrams was when we did the H.I.C.
>in Hawaii. Apparently we blew 32 JBL2440 2" diaprams from what we could
>tell it was from a radar pulse from the Navy. Even though we normally
>carried many many diaphrams it was decided not to take this extremely
>large case to Hawaii, not my decision (road manager Chuck Wolf's
>decision). Luckly we were able to beg and borrow all 32 new ones from
>friends and Sam of Odysee Sound in Hawaii. What a bitch to change them
>all before the show.

This must have been the incident I heard about...
Except, it was embellished to ALL of the 2440 diaphragms...

I remember you guys building that system, I worked three doors up, at
the Sound Genesis...
I have got to admit, I was so tired of hearing the D.B.'s songs during
rehearsals, it was about two years before I could listen to them
again...

Thanks for your input Dennis...
I love to read "Road" stories...

TNT

[jhelm]

Elaine Lauricella wrote:
> As to the Community Levi, they were either before my time or after I
> left. I have seen the ads and have little to say either good or bad
> about Community.

The Leviathans were nothing short of fucking amazing.
The straight horn had such good transients. No folded
horn mud here! I don't recall what drivers were used
in the system we used, but it was brilliant. In addition,
the fact that they broke down into 3 separate peices,
two of which were stackable (like styrofoam cups) was
always appreciated for space. I was sort of confused as
to why they just aren't used anymore. I asked Bruce
Howze about this and he just said "ehhh.... they are
just not in vogue anymore" I sensed he was referring
to the trendyness of the all in one box arrays.
BTW... If anyone has any really odd/old/peculiar
community equipment lying around, give Bruce a call because
when last I spoke to him, he was trying to buy back
peices here and there for his own personal museum of
community history.
See Ya.

[TNT]

In <334E2E...@waterw.com>, jhelm <jh...@waterw.com> writes:
>The Leviathans were nothing short of fucking amazing.
>The straight horn had such good transients. No folded
>horn mud here! I don't recall what drivers were used
>in the system we used, but it was brilliant.

> I was sort of confused as
>to why they just aren't used anymore. I asked Bruce
>Howze about this and he just said "ehhh.... they are
>just not in vogue anymore" I sensed he was referring
>to the trendyness of the all in one box arrays.

The Leviathans were a bitch handle, compared to a two box double 18
system...
They do make the Leviathans II now, which seems to be making inroads
into the upgraded Stadium market...

My question for Bruce is why Community no longer does anything with
"cone" midranges, which WAS their first product...

TNT

[Stuart Lorriman]

The folks at Community are now beta testing a new line of touring box
called Airforce.

Stuart

[tf3...@gmail.com]

[John Williamson]

On 12/10/2016 01:21, tf3...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, April 5, 1997 at 1:00:00 AM UTC-7, Bill Jones wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Does anyone know how they got that incredible flange on "Listen to the
>> Music"?
>>

Almost certainly by using a couple of tape recorders. Start 2 copies
running in sync and gently slow one down by touching the feed reel
flange lightly.

The first commercially available bucket brigade phaser wasn't available
at the time of the recording, though a prototype had been built in the
late 1960s.

>> Also, who recorded it and where?
>>

Wikilies says recorded in 1972 at Warner Brothers Studios, North
Hollywood as one of the tracks for the Toulouse Street album. I can find
no reference to the engineering staff names.

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John.

[david gourley]

John Williamson <johnwil...@btinternet.com> said...news:e66f91Fjc4fU1
@mid.individual.net:

Ted Templeman produced, Steve Barncard, Don Landee, and Marty Cohn are
credited with engineering. Barncard & Cohn are also listed as co-
producers.

david

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[JackA]

Neat stuff! Doobies had to be remixed for CD too rich in higher frequencies. Neat topic from 1997!
Jack

[Scott Dorsey]

In article <e66f91...@mid.individual.net>,

John Williamson <johnwil...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>On 12/10/2016 01:21, tf3...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, April 5, 1997 at 1:00:00 AM UTC-7, Bill Jones wrote:
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> Does anyone know how they got that incredible flange on "Listen to the
>>> Music"?
>>>
>Almost certainly by using a couple of tape recorders. Start 2 copies
>running in sync and gently slow one down by touching the feed reel
>flange lightly.

You guys are replying to a post that is 19 years old.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Mike Rivers]

On 10/12/2016 10:57 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> You guys are replying to a post that is 19 years old.

Well, the record in question must be 30 years old.

--

For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[JackA]

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 11:36:43 AM UTC-4, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 10/12/2016 10:57 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> > You guys are replying to a post that is 19 years old.
>
> Well, the record in question must be 30 years old.

Neat Topics they had back then!! What happened!?

About the time of The Doobies...

Did I tell you, right here in usenet a "Roadie" told me Columbia used/hired him for doing audio. That must of been when Columbia Records began to fail, they'd use anyone who was interested. No "engineer" qualities necessary!! The one song in question was Chase's - Get It On!!

Jack

[thekma...@gmail.com]

Scott Dorsey wrote: "You guys are replying to a post that is 19 years old"

So.


Freakin...


WHAT?!?!

[JackA]

:-)

Jack

[None]

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Uh oh. I think the retard had a bad day today. Maybe he needs a fresh
diaper and a nap.

[thekma...@gmail.com]

Butt.


Out.


You wouldn't know a good thread if it ran
through a SEWING MACHINE.

[None]

< thick-mama @ TheRetardStore . com > wrote in message
news:95300d00-221f-4cc0...@googlegroups.com...
> Butt.
> Out.

If your butt is out, maybe you should pull your li'l shorts back up.
You should be embarrassed. Look at his li'l shorts; you can see al the
way to Argentina!

In case you forgot, you don't get to tell anyone what to post here.

> You wouldn't know a good thread if it ran
> through a SEWING MACHINE.

On the short bus, that might pass for humor. But they wouldn't be
laughing with you; they'd be laughing at you. Now put your hockey
helmet back up and pull up your shorts. Bad retard! Bad!

[John Williamson]

The timestamp in the header here is for 01:21 on the day I saw it. The
1997 reference is in the post. It seems that Google has barfed yet again.

[JackA]

I initially replied from a cell phone, but I saw 1997 outside the body of the post. Either way, interesting subject!!

Jack

[Scott Dorsey]

John Williamson <johnwil...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>On 12/10/2016 15:57, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> In article <e66f91...@mid.individual.net>,
>> John Williamson <johnwil...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/10/2016 01:21, tf3...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, April 5, 1997 at 1:00:00 AM UTC-7, Bill Jones wrote:
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know how they got that incredible flange on "Listen to the
>>>>> Music"?
>>>>>
>>> Almost certainly by using a couple of tape recorders. Start 2 copies
>>> running in sync and gently slow one down by touching the feed reel
>>> flange lightly.
>>
>> You guys are replying to a post that is 19 years old.
>>

>The timestamp in the header here is for 01:21 on the day I saw it. The
>1997 reference is in the post. It seems that Google has barfed yet again.

Right. What happened is that someone replied to a 1997 post without adding
any additional text. Then you replied to that.

[John Williamson]

Yup. I have a bad habit of just reading the post time to judge whether
to respond or not.

[JackA]

We forgive usenet newbies! :-)

Jack