Genelec 1030a vs Event 20/20 bas?
Kenneth James Eng
Has anybody compared Genelec 1030a's and Event Electronics 2020bas'?
Opinions
Doug Jefferys
Kenneth James Eng wrote:
>
> Has anybody compared Genelec 1030a's and Event Electronics 2020bas'?
> Opinions
FYI, the Events were reviewed in this month's (Feb) issue of Mix. The
reviewer liked them a LOT, and compared them favorably to the Meyer
HD-1s at four times the cost. Don't know how they compare with the
1030s, but they are less expensive, aren't they? Thought you might want
to dig up the review in case you haven't seen it yet. Happy hunting . .
Doug
Jonathan Shakhovskoy
The article is available on-line.....for those that haven't checked it
out.....the on-line version of Mix...
:) Jonathan Shakhovskoy ;)
R Krizman
I finally got to hear the 20/20's, albeit in a music store under less than
ideal conditions, and was less than impressed. They seemed bright and
somewhat metallic when compared to the new little Genelecs with the
subwoofer, which seemed warm and musical by comparison. They did seem to
be very detailed, but I was missing the bottom end. Again, perhaps it was
the room. Any other impressions?
Rick Krizman
KrizManic Music,
Venice, CA
DSohn72781
Trust me--it was the room :)
Ed
Mike Manthei
I first heard the 20/20's in the bad environment too. Sitting on empty cardboard
boxes. Same impressions.... Then I heard them "anchored" correctly and the real
sound came out. They seem to be sensitive to being on a hard, unmoving base.
Mike
Kenneth James Eng
rkri...@aol.com (R Krizman) wrote:
>I finally got to hear the 20/20's, albeit in a music store under less than
>ideal conditions, and was less than impressed. They seemed bright and
>somewhat metallic when compared to the new little Genelecs with the
>subwoofer, which seemed warm and musical by comparison. They did seem to
>be very detailed, but I was missing the bottom end. Again, perhaps it was
>the room. Any other impressions?
>
>KrizManic Music,
>Venice, CA
I agree with you. I originally posted the question because I had the same experience
with the 20/20s and decided to purchase the Genelec 1030as less the sub-woofer.
Besides the 20/20's harsh sound, I noticed that they got really hot; almost too hot
to handle (while the Genelecs did not). Also, the cone on one of the speakers had a
deformity. (It was on the dome, not a critical place, but still it shows that they
are cheaply made.) I'm kind of puzzled why the 20/20bas speakers are getting such
rave reviews in all the major magazines. Further unbiased and biased opinions
welcome.
Hank Alrich
> FYI, the Events were reviewed in this month's (Feb) issue of Mix. The
> > reviewer liked them a LOT, and compared them favorably to the Meyer
> > HD-1s at four times the cost. Don't know how they compare with the
> > 1030s, but they are less expensive, aren't they? Thought you might want
> > to dig up the review in case you haven't seen it yet. Happy hunting .
These are the kind of "reviews" that render suspect the reviewer and the
process by which trade magazines present "information" to us. The liklihood
that the Events are in the same league with HD1s is scarcely. They could be
damn good for the money, etc., and still fall far short of the Meyers or
any monitor of similar quality.
hank
hank alrich
secret__mountain
audio recording * music production * sound reinforcment
plumas county, northern california
Dave Longo
In article <walkinay-ya023080...@news.telis.org>,
walk...@telis.org (Hank Alrich) wrote:
> > FYI, the Events were reviewed in this month's (Feb) issue of Mix. The
> > > reviewer liked them a LOT, and compared them favorably to the Meyer
> > > HD-1s at four times the cost. Don't know how they compare with the
> > > 1030s, but they are less expensive, aren't they? Thought you might want
> > > to dig up the review in case you haven't seen it yet. Happy hunting .
>
> These are the kind of "reviews" that render suspect the reviewer and the
> process by which trade magazines present "information" to us. The liklihood
> that the Events are in the same league with HD1s is scarcely. They could be
> damn good for the money, etc., and still fall far short of the Meyers or
> any monitor of similar quality.
>
> hank
>
Hank in some other magazine i would say you might be right be we are
talking about Mix here . Do you not remember sometime last year when
Steven St Croix . totally slammed TDK cdr's . :)) They took out a full
page ad to rebuke him.
I have tested the Events in the proper setup i.e. not some music stores
idea of how they sould be set up and all I can say is they are absolutely
amazing for the money .
As far as the guy comparing them to the Genelecs with the subwoofers that
is an unfair comparision what if you combined the Events with a
subwoofer???
On top of that I mix for Dance music and you know what ??? I can get dance
floor bass without the need of a subwoofer.
IMHO a subwoofer is an unnatural mixing enviroment . The only real
reason for them in a studio is if you have tiny monitors that just don't
go down low enough in the freq response.
i.e. Event Tria's which come with a sub or Genelec 1029's which need a
sub . Which will cost you another thousand dollars!!!
Add to that the fact that comparing the 1029's with a sub is not an
accurate comparison. One they are alot more expensive that way .
Two i did a listening test with them and though they are quite good . I ws
not overly blown away by them.
Three the Event Tria's compared favorably to the little Genelec's and list
for $699 for the Tria system with sub. that is a full thousand dollars
less!!!
I honestly don't what to say about the HD 1 comparision but you should
remember some people love NS10m's .
If you don't like em don't buy them or use them .
But i will tell you this i have tried and worked on may monitors over the
years and The Events are pretty damn nice and have earned a right to be in
my studio.
Now if you want to get into the $4000. and up range there are others out
there but we are talking about a pair of monitors that are under $900 and
cmpare favorably to monitors in the $2500 dollar price range. I don't know
about you but i am going to get the ones for under $900.
Why because they do the job expemplary and i don't have to spend $2500 to
get the same kind of performance .
Wow what a concept!! i might be able to spend the extra cash on a new mic
pre or mic instead. Or maybe another nice compressor . etc...
--
Peace, Dave Diverse City Records dp...@netwiz.net
"Music For The Phuture Generation"
David Bakker
Kenneth James Eng wrote:
>
> I agree with you. I originally posted the question because I had the same experience
> with the 20/20s and decided to purchase the Genelec 1030as less the sub-woofer.
> Besides the 20/20's harsh sound, I noticed that they got really hot; almost too hot
> to handle (while the Genelecs did not).
Is this a problem?
Also, the cone on one of the speakers had a
> deformity.
I bet this was more to do with handling than poor quality control - this seems like an unusual
thing to get by even a half-assed inspection.
I'm kind of puzzled why the 20/20bas speakers are getting such
> rave reviews in all the major magazines. Further unbiased and biased opinions
> welcome.
Well, I'm biased because I just bought the 20/20's 8-)! But, I think that in the price range,
they are hard to beat. I bet they'll take the project studio market by storm (they'll be the
"mackie of monitors"). Some other posters called them "harsh", I can't find anything harsh about
them - though this may be the room and/or mounting. I find the detail they produce to be
incredible for the price. Also they're very nice to mix bass on.
Monitors seem to be so subjective - like saying I like my strat alot better than my Gibson ES -
they're both fine guitars, and what's most important is they both get the job done in the right
hands.
The bottom line to me is, there's no doubt you can mix accurately on the 20/20's.
If money were no object, I probably would have bought the 1030's - it's a safer decision.
Regards,
Dave.
--
...someday you may find you are starving and eating all of the words that you
said - Ani Difranco
Pedro Trotz
Doug Jefferys escribió en artículo <331CF3...@ix.netcom.com>...
> > Has anybody compared Genelec 1030a's and Event Electronics 2020bas'?
> > Opinions
I'm also considering both options... Please more threads on this !!! :-)
thanks!
Gabe Horn
Besides the 20/20's harsh sound, I noticed that they got really hot;
almost too hot
> to handle (while the Genelecs did not).
There was a posting in response to a posting about this problem 5 or 6
months ago. I believe someone from Events said that it was designed that
way and no problem. Mine run warm but not too hot to the touch but thats
kinda subjective since I seem to have a high pain tolerance :) BTW I
really like the way mine sounds, a vast improvement over the Alesis 1 and
auratone I used to mix on.
DSohn72781
Come on, get serious!! Listen to the 20/20's in a quiet, well-acoustified
room. You cannot get an accurate response while listening to them in a
music stores; with all this other equipment with all these different
sounds going on; in a (usually) less than ideal position (too high and/or
behind other equipment, etc.). And with all the wear and tear the demos
take during the course of a single day.
Far be it from me to make a purchase without hearing what it is I'm going
to buy, but I need to be as objective as possible when I make a serious
purchase especially when it entails such a price difference.
Okay, okay--I am a happy 20/20bas owner, but what else is there in the
price range? The Alesis M. Ones? Come on!! The 20/20's sound better and
more accurate than the M. Twos!! Talk about a flat freq. response--these
babies are crystal clear accurate.
I'm not saying anything at all about Genelec. They are a revered studio
monitor manufacturer, and rightly so. But price wise, you're comparing
apples and oranges. If I had the dough, I *might* consider Genelecs, but
I don't, and the Events allow me to have a great sounding mix, as well as
other equipment I might need, like a nice parametric and/or a nicer mic
pre.
Come on, you 20/20 owners! Let's make a stand for our exceptional
near-fields. :)
My $.02,
Ed
hank alrich
DSohn72781 <dsohn...@aol.com> wrote:
<snip>
> I'm not saying anything at all about Genelec. They are a revered studio
> monitor manufacturer, and rightly so. But price wise, you're comparing
> apples and oranges. If I had the dough, I *might* consider Genelecs, but
> I don't, and the Events allow me to have a great sounding mix, as well as
> other equipment I might need, like a nice parametric and/or a nicer mic
> pre.
>
> Come on, you 20/20 owners! Let's make a stand for our exceptional
> near-fields. :)
> My $.02,
>
> Ed
No problem that you like your 20/20s. However, note the subject line of
the original poster's query. He's asking about their performance vis a
vis the Genelecs. I have some experience listening to Meyer HD1s, so I
posted that I find suspect "reviews" that claim some new $1000 monitor
setup is truly in the same league with a $5000 rig. That doesn't mean I
wouldn't think the 20/20s were excellent value for the buck. Personally,
I would not consider the Alesis 1s or 2s for my own work.
And in fact, I think most project/personal rooms could better spend a
good chunk of the price difference on acoustical work to improve the
accuracy of _any_ monitor system installed therein.
hank
--
Mike Manthei
=======================
I find it kinda funny that people feel they have to "touch" their monitors. I
generally just listen to mine. :-) But hey, what you do in the privacy of your own
studio is your business! [big cheese-eatin' grin]
I bought the unpowered version of the 20/20's. ~$325/pair US. I have not yet heard
the Genelec monitors. If memory serves, they are about $2,500 a pair. Since I have not
heard them, I don't know if they are worth 7.5 times the money. I don't know if that
is possible. I've heard quite a few monitors with 6 1/2" LFD's and the Genelec's will
have to pull some real magic to give me the "punch" I get from the 20/20's which use an
8" LFD.
The 20/20's are accurate enough to get a good mix on. It's hard to imagine a monitor
that sounds nicer without becoming "too pretty". You know, where the monitor makes
everything sound good, and so you fail to fix the things that need fixing?
In response to the "harsh" sound of the 20/20's, be sure they're "coupled" correctly. A
pair of Events sitting on a soft surface will lose enough of the low frequency response
to be uncomfortably thin.
I guess I'll have to hear the Genelec's to find out what all the talk is about. In the
meantime, I saved enough scratch to buy some (lots) other nice things that make the
recordings sound better - and I have sufficient monitors to hear the difference.
Mike
Gabe Horn
Mike Manthei wrote
"In response to the "harsh" sound of the 20/20's, be sure they're "coupled"
correctly. A
pair of Events sitting on a soft surface will lose enough of the low
frequency response
to be uncomfortably thin."
Surface.
My 20/20's sit on a solid 2x16 redwood shelf over the console. How could I
improve this?
Thanx,
GAbe
Martin Baird
DSohn72781,dsohn...@aol.com,Inet.ACD writes:
Okay, okay--I am a happy 20/20bas owner, but what else is there in the
price range?
How about Tannoy PBM 8 mkII Limpets?
rob hoffman
hank alrich wrote:
> I have some experience listening to Meyer HD1s, so I
> posted that I find suspect "reviews" that claim some new $1000 monitor
> setup is truly in the same league with a $5000 rig. That doesn't mean I
> wouldn't think the 20/20s were excellent value for the buck.
Why not. What makes the HD-1 more expensive ? $4000 worth of wood and
damping material ? I don't think so. R&D ? Maybe. If that's the case
isn't it possible that Event could learn from the people at Meyer and
Genelec and make a similar sounding speaker for less ? Just my $.02
Rob
BTW, I'll take Events over Genelec anyday. It's been a while since I've
heard Meyer HD-1's though.
Pier 1
>>
Why not. What makes the HD-1 more expensive ? $4000 worth of wood and
damping material ? I don't think so. R&D ? Maybe. If that's the case
isn't it possible that Event could learn from the people at Meyer and
Genelec and make a similar sounding speaker for less ? Just my $.02
Rob
BTW, I'll take Events over Genelec anyday. It's been a while since I've
heard Meyer HD-1's though.<<
I have heard Genelecs and I have heard Events and I don't like either one.
If I were to pick it would be Events because of price, but I have yet to
hear an active nearfield that sounds "open" and "honest" ....read:
translates well to other systems. There's no denying that waveguide
technology produces a razor sharp image, but for the most part I'm still
hearing driver compression and other artifacts that sound like they are
part of this tight image. I'm extremely happy with my KRK9000Bs and a
Hafler 9505. I get a very tight image and true depth of field which I
hear speckles of in the high mids of the 1031a, but not across the
spectrum (the low end is a mess) and not at all on the other speakers.
If you're going to pick monitors for the way they sound and not the way
they translate then you might as well get Polks.
Just my (I'm sure unappreciated on this thread<g>) $.02.
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Mike Manthei
> My Question, What do you mean by Coupled correctly and what is a Soft
> Surface.
> My 20/20's sit on a solid 2x16 redwood shelf over the console. How could I
> improve this?
> Thanx,
> GAbe
You should be fine with that. Some people notice a loss of low end
when a speaker sits on carpet or other "soft" surface. Some companies
make speaker stands (although I have not seen these) that apparantly are
flat on top, but have spikes on the bottom so that they can make contact
with the wood floor beneath the carpet.
To hear the difference, put your 20/20's on the cardboard boxes they
came in. The cardboard will "give" enough to change the low end
response.
Mike
DSohn72781
<<Some companies
make speaker stands (although I have not seen these) that apparantly are
flat on top, but have spikes on the bottom so that they can make contact
with the wood floor beneath the carpet.>>
Are you referring to the Quik Lok BS-315's that I recently purchased?
They didn't come with any directions, but on the feet of the underside of
the base, there are places for 4 screws that look like spikes as you
describe them. Ignorantly, I screwed them in spikes inward. I guess
you're supposed to screw them in spikes outward, huh? Luckily, it's not
permanent and I can redo it if I want to.
But for (1), am I to stick these spikes into my nice hardwood floor? And
(2) what's the advantage of doing this? If I'm supposed to, should I put
a little piece of carpet under them?
Curious,
Ed
Buzco
That doesn't mean I
I would not consider the Alesis 1s or 2s for my own work.
The Event's were designed by the same team that designed the Alesis 1 &
2's.
IMHO. The Events exaggerate what was wrong with the Alesis "monitors".
A smiley face eq curve, more of a HiFi speaker than a true monitor Bothe
the "A''s and the "E"'s have an exaggerated hi's end bumped lower mid.
The mids (the most critical part) in both are dark and very undefined.
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Wifflebomb
>>Some companies make speaker stands (although I have not seen these)
>that apparantly are flat on top, but have spikes on the bottom so that
>they can make contact with the wood floor beneath the carpet.<<
The point of those spikes is to DECOUPLE your speakers from the surface
they are sitting on. You DON"T want the added whoompf of your floor,
shelves, desk, or stands to mess with the reproduction of your speakers.
If you think your speakers sound "thin" when decoupled in this manner,
then your MIXES are "thin" and you should do something about that.
>>But for (1), am I to stick these spikes into my nice hardwood floor?
And
>(2) what's the advantage of doing this? If I'm supposed to, should I put
>a little piece of carpet under them?<<
The companies who make the spikes make little metal "cups" that
sit under the spikes. These minimize the contact area and also protect
your stands or console top from being scratched by the spikes.
By the way: You should not have your reference speakers on the
floor! --WB
Sam Bennett
>The point of those spikes is to DECOUPLE your speakers from the surface
>they are sitting on. You DON"T want the added whoompf of your floor,
>shelves, desk, or stands to mess with the reproduction of your speakers.
>If you think your speakers sound "thin" when decoupled in this manner,
>then your MIXES are "thin" and you should do something about that.
> The companies who make the spikes make little metal "cups" that
>sit under the spikes. These minimize the contact area and also protect
>your stands or console top from being scratched by the spikes.
> By the way: You should not have your reference speakers on the
>floor! --WB
So what exactly is the ideal way to have your reference (nearfield, in
my case) speakers set up?
Currently I have my speakers set on stands made of 4x6s with 1x6x6
bases. The stands rest on a desk that I built *directly into the wall
connecting with my recording room*. It's a double wall, so there
shouldn't be much direct transmission. I do, of course have a fair
amount of bass bleed through.
I *do* have a problem miixing and having bass translate well. I can't
mix on a flat system and end up having to boost the bass on my
monitoring set up for it to translate well on to another system.
Should I decouple the speakers from the desk?
Also, any thoughts on the vibrations I'm receiving through the *desk*,
and how it effects my perception of the audible sound waves and their
impact? Specfically when recording drums, of course.
David Kimm
Ditto
Just look at the published respoonse curve. Do you want you mix to
sound enhanced or accurate?
Larry Lessard
Check out the Dynaudio Acoustics .
They are more accurate than either Genelec or Event.
Genelecs make even a bad sounding tape sound good.
If you want the truth buy Dynaudio Acoustics.
See them at www.aximarkeing.com
LEKTRODE
Genelecs are for real. Good parts quality & strong. Very reliable
durability. The Event are cheap Chineese parts. Nuff said. Now go listen
to them!