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Gary & Paula Reynolds

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Dec 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/23/99
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Could I get opinions on the best tube mic for under $2000?

thanks
gary


Alan

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Dec 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/23/99
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The new Gefell M990 ($1600) is going to change the playing field. Single
pattern, large capsule, sounds like $6K+.

Harvey Gerst

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Dec 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/24/99
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Gary & Paula Reynolds <greyn...@uswest.net> wrote:

>Could I get opinions on the best tube mic for under $2000?

gary,

I can give you some ideas, if you'll define "best" for me.

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://ITRstudio.com/

drum...@animail.net

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Dec 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/24/99
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Gary,
The Alesis GT am61 and am62 are nice as is the Audio Technica 4060 and
the Rode NTV. I've heard them all and thay all sound good.

Tony
Shiny on Top Records

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<B801F5A8BD348930.152054C0...@lp.airnews.net>,


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Rick Knepper

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Dec 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/24/99
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Gary & Paula Reynolds wrote:

> Could I get opinions on the best tube mic for under $2000?
>

> thanks
> gary

Some mics between $1000-2000

ADK A-51TT
AKG Solid Tube
AT 4060
Blue The Blueberry
BPM TB-95
CAD VSM1
CAD VX2
Groove Tube MD2a
Groove Tube MD3a
Lawson L47MP
Lawson L47C
Lawson L47S
Lawson L47SH
Neumann M147
Rode NTV
Rode Classic
Schoeps M 222
Soundelux U99

Judging from newsgroup discussion, the three most popular on this list
would be:

Lawson L47MP
Neumann M147
Soundelux U99

I own the M147 and plan to buy the U99 very soon. After these two, if
the Lawson still fills a hole, I may consider it also.

Best? Please chile.


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nuke

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Dec 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/24/99
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>>Could I get opinions on the best tube mic for under $2000?
>
>gary,
>
>I can give you some ideas, if you'll define "best" for me.

Why, the prettiest one of course!

<g>


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Mike Rivers

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Dec 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/24/99
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> Could I get opinions on the best tube mic for under $2000?

Probably. In fact, surely. What opinion would you like to get? We
have a special this week. Buy one, the three for free.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mri...@d-and-d.com)

Carlo Hoskins

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Dec 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/24/99
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>Some mics between $1000-2000
>
>ADK A-51TT
>AKG Solid Tube
>AT 4060
>Blue The Blueberry
>BPM TB-95
>CAD VSM1
>CAD VX2
>Groove Tube MD2a
>Groove Tube MD3a
>Lawson L47MP
>Lawson L47C
>Lawson L47S
>Lawson L47SH
>Neumann M147
>Rode NTV
>Rode Classic
>Schoeps M 222
>Soundelux U99

Hello Rick. The Lawson L47S and SH are FETs.

The Sound Room has tube mic called the VM100 for $849.00. Taylor says it's a
particularly good room mic, but I've never actually heard it.

Carlo Hoskins - AntiHerbie
I'd rather be recording.

Scott Dorsey

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Dec 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/24/99
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Gary & Paula Reynolds <greyn...@uswest.net> wrote:
>Could I get opinions on the best tube mic for under $2000?

Well, what are you recording, and why do you want a tube in it? How
do you work?
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Rick Knepper

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Dec 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/24/99
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Carlo Hoskins wrote:

> >Some mics between $1000-2000
> >
> >ADK A-51TT
> >AKG Solid Tube
> >AT 4060
> >Blue The Blueberry
> >BPM TB-95
> >CAD VSM1
> >CAD VX2
> >Groove Tube MD2a
> >Groove Tube MD3a
> >Lawson L47MP
> >Lawson L47C
> >Lawson L47S
> >Lawson L47SH
> >Neumann M147
> >Rode NTV
> >Rode Classic
> >Schoeps M 222
> >Soundelux U99
>
> Hello Rick. The Lawson L47S and SH are FETs.
>

Ooops. My apologies.

BTW...

I was viewing the graphs for the Lawson L47MP on their web page and all three
patterns have a boost of some sort between 20 Hz & 1K.

The graph for the Neumann M147 (cardioid only) illustrates an attenuation up to
500 Hz and then flat to 1k. Kinda the opposite. (I do not claim to be a very good
graph reader or interpreter.)

Many comments concerning the M147 (including my own) has pegged it as having a
"robust" lower mid-range in spite of the graph. Would the Lawson be even more
pronounced in the lower mids than the Neumann? I do not recall seeing comments to
this effect though. Not having one to compare to the M147, I wonder what others'
experiences have been.

Usually in a dense rock mix (or even some folkie mixes) where there is a
convergence of frequencies at 200-300, from kick & toms, bass guitar, bass freqs
of most stringed instruments, and the lower registers of most voices, I routinely
attenuate EQ on the vocals at those freqs as well as other adjustments to sit
them down in the mix. Would the Lawson contribute to the build-up at this freq in
such a mix and/or present EQing problems in such a mix? I realize I can fit any
mic into any mix with enough tinkering...

galli...@hotmail.com

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Dec 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/24/99
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Gary & Paula Reynolds <greyn...@uswest.net> wrote:

>Could I get opinions on the best tube mic for under $2000?

Audition a Gefel M990, a cardioid only tube mic for around $1600.00
USd. Outstanding. You will be amazed that this mic doesn't cost over
$5000.00. Also, Gefel service is great.

Gallimhabu

>thanks
>gary


Gary & Paula Reynolds

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Dec 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/24/99
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Actually, I record rock music. I already own a U47 fet, AKG 414buls and
AT 4050. I was looking for a good tube mic primarily for vocals. I am
familiar with the M147, Soundelux U99, Lawson, AKG Solid tube and rode
classic and classic II. To narrow it down how about comments on these
mics.
thanks
gary

Gary & Paula Reynolds wrote:

> Could I get opinions on the best tube mic for under $2000?
>

> thanks
> gary


Mark Plancke

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Dec 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/24/99
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galli...@hotmail.com wrote:

>Gary & Paula Reynolds <greyn...@uswest.net> wrote:
>
>>Could I get opinions on the best tube mic for under $2000?
>

>Audition a Gefel M990, a cardioid only tube mic for around $1600.00
>USd. Outstanding. You will be amazed that this mic doesn't cost over
>$5000.00. Also, Gefel service is great.
>
>Gallimhabu
>

Is the marketing department at Gefel working overtime?

It's funny but someone else told us that you couldn't tell
it apart from a mic costing $6K. So which is it? $5K, $6K
US dollars, Canadian Dollars, EuroDollars? Which mic?

Mark Plancke
The music industry is sinking under the weight of it's own cheap technology.
- Glenn Meadows

SOUNDTECH RECORDING STUDIOS
Windsor, Ontario, Canada
http://SoundTechRecording.com

Harvey Gerst

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Dec 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/24/99
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Gary & Paula Reynolds <greyn...@uswest.net> wrote:

>Actually, I record rock music. I already own a U47 fet, AKG 414buls and
>AT 4050. I was looking for a good tube mic primarily for vocals. I am
>familiar with the M147, Soundelux U99, Lawson, AKG Solid tube and rode
>classic and classic II. To narrow it down how about comments on these
>mics.
>thanks
>gary
>
>Gary & Paula Reynolds wrote:

Ahhh, much better. Before you jump on the tube mic thingy, consider a Coles
4038, an RCA 44 or 77, and the RTT VM100. The first three are ribbons, and the
last is a new russian tube mic which I think is well worth considering. Also the
Lomo M1 head on the Oktava 012 body is not bad either.

Scott Dorsey

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Dec 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/25/99
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In article <3863E32B...@uswest.net>,

Gary & Paula Reynolds <greyn...@uswest.net> wrote:
>Actually, I record rock music. I already own a U47 fet, AKG 414buls and
>AT 4050. I was looking for a good tube mic primarily for vocals. I am
>familiar with the M147, Soundelux U99, Lawson, AKG Solid tube and rode
>classic and classic II. To narrow it down how about comments on these

Okay, so you want a vocal mike. What _kind_ a vocal mike, for what kind
of vocals? And why necessarily a tube mike? What does the singer sound
like, and what do you want it to sound like?

Ramin Zamani

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Dec 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/25/99
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Rick Knepper wrote:
>
> Gary & Paula Reynolds wrote:
>
> > Could I get opinions on the best tube mic for under $2000?
> >
> > thanks
> > gary

>
> Some mics between $1000-2000
>
> ADK A-51TT
> AKG Solid Tube
> AT 4060
> Blue The Blueberry
> BPM TB-95
> CAD VSM1
> CAD VX2
> Groove Tube MD2a
> Groove Tube MD3a
> Lawson L47MP
> Lawson L47C
> Lawson L47S
> Lawson L47SH
> Neumann M147
> Rode NTV
> Rode Classic
> Schoeps M 222
> Soundelux U99
>
> Judging from newsgroup discussion, the three most popular on this list
> would be:
>
> Lawson L47MP
> Neumann M147
> Soundelux U99
>
> I own the M147 and plan to buy the U99 very soon. After these two, if
> the Lawson still fills a hole, I may consider it also.
>
> Best? Please chile.
>

The M-147 is not in the same league as the other two you're comparing
them to. I've ABd the 147 against the other mics on a couple of
occasions on both vocals and instruments, and it sounds too little if
you know what I mean. It does not have a good low end response and also
has a bump in the mids, which I don't care for.

You might want to check out Rode Classic, although the supply of that
mic is most of the time too noisy. I like the overall sound though.

Good luck.
Ramin

Gary & Paula Reynolds

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Dec 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/25/99
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It's basically for me. Male vocal. What do I want it to sound like? I like
the way Paul Mccartney's voice sounded on Martha my Dear and Hey Jude ....

Gary & Paula Reynolds

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Dec 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/25/99
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I am considering getting a coles or a royer but that is a different discussion
gary

Harvey Gerst wrote:

> Gary & Paula Reynolds <greyn...@uswest.net> wrote:
>
> >Actually, I record rock music. I already own a U47 fet, AKG 414buls and
> >AT 4050. I was looking for a good tube mic primarily for vocals. I am
> >familiar with the M147, Soundelux U99, Lawson, AKG Solid tube and rode
> >classic and classic II. To narrow it down how about comments on these

> >mics.
> >thanks
> >gary


> >
> >Gary & Paula Reynolds wrote:
>

Scott Dorsey

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Dec 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/26/99
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Gary & Paula Reynolds <greyn...@uswest.net> wrote:
>It's basically for me. Male vocal. What do I want it to sound like? I like
>the way Paul Mccartney's voice sounded on Martha my Dear and Hey Jude ....

Okay, so you want a mike that is intended for a single vocalist, so you
have a lot of freedom to pick something that is very optimized for your
own voice, rather than something that is good on a range of voices.

Find a studio in your area with a good mike cabinet. Call them up, tell
them what you want to do, and plunk down a couple hundred bucks for an
hour of studio time. Go in, take a DAT, and have them record you onto
every possible microphone they can find. Then go home and listen, and
you will know absolutely and for certain what your voice sounds like
through all those mikes.

It might seem like a lot of money, but it's nothing compared with the
cost of getting a microphone which, though a good mike, is the wrong mike
for your voice, and then having to get a replacement a couple years down
the road.

Chris Milanko

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Dec 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/26/99
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On 24 Dec 1999 13:05:20 GMT, loho...@aol.com (Carlo Hoskins) wrote:

>>Some mics between $1000-2000
>>
>>ADK A-51TT
>>AKG Solid Tube
>>AT 4060
>>Blue The Blueberry
>>BPM TB-95
>>CAD VSM1
>>CAD VX2
>>Groove Tube MD2a
>>Groove Tube MD3a
>>Lawson L47MP
>>Lawson L47C
>>Lawson L47S
>>Lawson L47SH
>>Neumann M147
>>Rode NTV
>>Rode Classic
>>Schoeps M 222
>>Soundelux U99
>

>Hello Rick. The Lawson L47S and SH are FETs.
>

The Blueberry is not a tube mic.

Chris Milanko

Paul Jenner

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Dec 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/27/99
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Sorry to interrupt, but if you like the vocal sound from Hey Jude, why
not pop in the video and watch closely. I don't think there was a tube
mic within reasonable distance from Paul in Hey Jude. It's that funny
curved tube with some sort of small light bulb at the end.
Must be more than one oldtimer around here who knows what I mean.

If I remember correctly, the Hey Jude vocals were taped live on that
occasion

Paul.


A splendid time is guaranteed for all ...

A T

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Dec 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/27/99
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Paul Jenner wrote in message <. It's that funny

>curved tube with some sort of small light bulb at the end.


a solidtube? naahhhh

Garthrr

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Dec 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/28/99
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>Many comments concerning the M147 (including my own) has pegged it as having
>a
>"robust" lower mid-range in spite of the graph. Would the Lawson be even more
>pronounced in the lower mids than the Neumann?

My experience is that the Lawson doesnt have enough low mids. On a full
sounding voice it can be beautiful but often it's just too mid-heavy for me,
but then I like "warm".

Garth


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

Garthrr

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Dec 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/28/99
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>My experience is that the Lawson doesnt have enough low mids. On a full
>sounding voice it can be beautiful but often it's just too mid-heavy for me,
>but then I like "warm".
>
>Garth

I should have said that the mic is too heavy in the _upper mids_ at times for
my taste. I dont mean to give the impression that I dont like the mic, because
I do, just not on everything.

mg...@earthlink.net

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Jan 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/27/00
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The Soundelux U99, but it's only $1 under.

DS

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"...nothing is real."

Garthrr

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Jan 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/28/00
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In article <mgod-27010...@pool0057.cvx23-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net>,
mg...@earthlink.net writes:

>The Soundelux U99, but it's only $1 under.
>
>DS

I heartily concur. I am loving the U99!

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