Get Back

[geoff]

Amazing the significant album that resulted from those makeshift
recording arrangements, including some tracks 4 stories down to the
studio from the rooftop.

Make that albums, '... Naked' too, from the same tapes.


geoff

[geoff]

So... nobody has bothered to watch the Get Back doco, and/or has an
opinion worth posting on it ???

geoff

[Neil]

Perhaps not. But, my opinion is based on a different recollection of
those days. I acquired a bootleg recording of the "Get Back" recording
sessions before the album was released, and the process and dialogue
within the group was often unpleasant. It wasn't long after that the
Beatles' breakup began. So, the positive spin that the ads for the movie
present strike me as more of a "Paul promotion" than a documentary.

--
best regards,

Neil

[geoff]

Yeah, and it wasn't long after hat that they made Abbey Road.

And put more credence in the apparent agenda of the Lindsay-Hogg 'Let It
Be' and the maybe similarly edited bootleg. Or did you get the full
60-odd hours of the session recordings, in order to make such a judgement ?

I take it that you haven't seen it then....

geoff

[Phil W]

2022-01-02 / 06:26 geoff:

> On 7/12/2021 2:25 pm, geoff wrote:
>> Amazing the significant album that resulted from those makeshift
>> recording arrangements, including some tracks 4 stories down to the
>> studio from the rooftop.
>>
>> Make that albums, '... Naked' too, from the same tapes.
>

> So... nobody has bothered to watch the Get Back doco, and/or has an
> opinion worth posting on it ???

Well, I´d like to watch it, but unfortunately it´s a "Disney+" pay-tv
exclusive here and I don´t have access to that. The cinema version seems
to be cancelled.
Well, maybe some day it might become available through other sources,
that are easier accessible...

Anyway, good to know, it´s worth watching.


Phil

[geoff]

I joined for just a month at flat-rate cost around $12. If you have
internet it is 'available'. Except maybe in North Korea or Albania.

geoff

[Neil]

As I indicated, I have no intention of watching it based on the
advertisements for the movie. Perhaps the promotions of the movie that
are misleading, and if so, too bad for the producer.

Geoff, I don't know how old you are, or what you were doing back in
those days. I was really there as a rock studio musician even before the
Beatles were marketed in the US.

And no, the various bootleg albums from various artists were not a
complete collection of all their recordings. But, they also weren't
heavily edited compilations that connected unrelated events to each
other. Perhaps you should look into how "Abbey Road" and the roof-top
session came to be? There is no need to be snarky about history. It is
what it is.

--
best regards,

Neil

[geoff]

I was a child, only becoming aware of them in the '70s.

> And no, the various bootleg albums from various artists were not a
> complete collection of all their recordings. But, they also weren't
> heavily edited compilations that connected unrelated events to each
> other. Perhaps you should look into how "Abbey Road" and the roof-top
> session came to be? There is no need to be snarky about history. It is
> what it is.

You want to see how the roof-top gig came to be - watch the docos - that
is one of the significant themes of the whole thing.

Heavily edited, for sure - 60+ hours down to 7 or so how could it not
be. But with an agenda showing more of the overall situation, rather
than the rather negative compilation of the Let It Be movie.

Not being snarky - the doco (movie, if you prefer) would likely be of
interest to most here if they are interested in recording, production,
song-writing, musicianship, etc of an album (and band) that holds
significance to this day.

geoff

[Neil]

And, there is the reason for the difference in our viewpoints. I
experienced it in real-time and in far more detail than a movie will be
able to present.

>> And no, the various bootleg albums from various artists were not a
>> complete collection of all their recordings. But, they also weren't
>> heavily edited compilations that connected unrelated events to each
>> other. Perhaps you should look into how "Abbey Road" and the roof-top
>> session came to be? There is no need to be snarky about history. It is
>> what it is.
>
> You want to see how the roof-top gig came to be - watch the docos - that
> is one of the significant themes of the whole thing.
>

There are documentaries of those events that were made at the time. If
you want a better idea of how they came to be, do your homework.

> Heavily edited, for sure - 60+ hours down to 7 or so how could it not
> be. But with an agenda showing more of the overall situation, rather
> than the rather negative compilation of the Let It Be movie.
>
> Not being snarky - the doco (movie, if you prefer) would likely be of
> interest to most here if they are interested in recording, production,
> song-writing, musicianship, etc of an album (and band) that holds
> significance to this day.
>

Perhaps for fanboys, but not so much for musicians.

--
best regards,

Neil

[Chris K-Man]

_____

Neil:

From which side of the Pond are you?

[Neil]

On 1/4/2022 1:30 PM, Chris K-Man wrote:
> _____
>
> Neil:
>
> From which side of the Pond are you?

Born and raised in the USA. Why do you ask?

--
best regards,

Neil

[geoff]

And you were trying to suggest me as being 'snarky'.

Bye.

geoff

[palli...@gmail.com]

Neil wrote:
=========

>
> > I take it that you haven't seen it then....
> >
> > geoff
>
> As I indicated, I have no intention of watching it based on the
> advertisements for the movie. Perhaps the promotions of the movie that
> are misleading, and if so, too bad for the producer.
>
> Geoff, I don't know how old you are, or what you were doing back in
> those days. I was really there as a rock studio musician even before the
> Beatles were marketed in the US.
>

** You must be nearly 80 ?

Was in my early teens when the Beatles had their first hits.
In Australia the first was " Love Me Do".
Everyone liked their songs and their look, it was a phenomenon.
But things changed pretty quick.

I had a copy of "Hey Jude/ Revolution" in the late 60s.
My mom absolutely hated it.
She thought the Beatles were promoting *revolution* and "Jude" was short for " Judy " - code name for a bad girl.
Was decades later before I knew Jude referred to Julian Lennon.

In any case, musicians hear and pass judgment on recordings very differently to non musicians.
But this don't make them right or the majority wrong.
Music is created for the *public* to enjoy - not insiders.

Geoff likes to think he is a blessed insider.
But in truth, he is just another clueless wanker from New Zealand.



...... Phil

[Chris K-Man]

_______

Well there you go!

[Neil]

To be clear, none of my comments are about the Beatles' music. They
wrote *many* songs that will be loved by generations who have little to
no clue who they were. That is talent!

--
best regards,

Neil

[palli...@gmail.com]

Neil wrote:
=========

> >
> >
> > Was in my early teens when the Beatles had their first hits.
> > In Australia the first was " Love Me Do".
> > Everyone liked their songs and their look, it was a phenomenon.
> > But things changed pretty quick.
> >
> > I had a copy of "Hey Jude/ Revolution" in the late 60s.
> > My mom absolutely hated it.
> > She thought the Beatles were promoting *revolution* and "Jude" was short for " Judy " - code name for a bad girl.
> > Was decades later before I knew Jude referred to Julian Lennon.
> >
> > In any case, musicians hear and pass judgment on recordings very differently to non musicians.
> > But this don't make them right or the majority wrong.
> > Music is created for the *public* to enjoy - not insiders.
> >
> > Geoff likes to think he is a blessed insider.
> > But in truth, he is just another clueless wanker from New Zealand.
> >
> To be clear, none of my comments are about the Beatles' music. They
> wrote *many* songs that will be loved by generations who have little to
> no clue who they were. That is talent!
> --

** Famous saying:

" Never meet you heros - cos you are bound for disappointment ".

I like many of the "Stones'" hit songs:
"Paint it Black", " Gimme Shelter", " Can't You Hear me Knocking"

Saw them play live in Sydney too in 1972.

Never wanted to meet any of them....


... Phil

[Scott Dorsey]

In article <sr3vdf$fu1$1...@dont-email.me>, Neil <ne...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
>
>To be clear, none of my comments are about the Beatles' music. They
>wrote *many* songs that will be loved by generations who have little to
>no clue who they were. That is talent!

My dad said they were destroying the Youth of America. "That's not music at
all, they're just going Yeah, Yeah, Yeah all the time."

Ironically, I have heard my peers say the exact same thing about rap.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Neil]

On 1/5/2022 9:43 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> In article <sr3vdf$fu1$1...@dont-email.me>, Neil <ne...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
>>
>> To be clear, none of my comments are about the Beatles' music. They
>> wrote *many* songs that will be loved by generations who have little to
>> no clue who they were. That is talent!
>
> My dad said they were destroying the Youth of America. "That's not music at
> all, they're just going Yeah, Yeah, Yeah all the time."
>
> Ironically, I have heard my peers say the exact same thing about rap.
> --scott

I'm sure every genre of music goes/went through the same critiques,
since the majority of it doesn't "connect" with listeners.

There was a time when no radio station would play country music. It took
a radical station on the Texas/Mexican border to open the door.

As for rap, there is another layer of issues unique to the USA that
drives its resistance. Even though it is a decades-old world-wide genre,
it wasn't until "Hamilton" that it gained wider acceptance here.

Ironically, there are aspects of the "British Invasion" that were driven
by those same issues by the labels, managers and so on. Some people did
not like the fact that Rock & Roll was a multi-cultural genre that was
eliminating segregation. However, the Stones, Yardbirds and others saw
through that and opened many doors for blues and rock players here that
otherwise would have remained sidelined.

The '50s and '60s were complicated times in many ways.

--
best regards,

Neil

[palli...@gmail.com]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
===============
>Neil

> >
> >To be clear, none of my comments are about the Beatles' music. They
> >wrote *many* songs that will be loved by generations who have little to
> >no clue who they were. That is talent!
>
> My dad said they were destroying the Youth of America. "That's not music at
> all, they're just going Yeah, Yeah, Yeah all the time."
>

** Really ? Says a lot about him and nothing about the famous song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGbWU8S3vzs

> Ironically, I have heard my peers say the exact same thing about rap.

** That it is not music at all ?
Doubt the performers even think of "'Rap" as music.
Look at the name.


...... Phil

[Don Pearce]

Rap is a broad church. It probably merges into hip hop at the more
musical end, and qualifies fully as music. At the other end it makes
me think of the Beat Poets of the late fifties/early sixties. To
condemn them for lack of musicality would be like criticizing a bike
for not being a table.

d

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[Chris K-Man]

______

You'd expect such sentiment from Americans.

I'm from the States too, but guess what - I like the Beatles,

their music, the band, etc.

[palli...@gmail.com]

Dope Pearce Bullshitted Again:
==================

> >>Neil
> >> >
> >> >To be clear, none of my comments are about the Beatles' music. They
> >> >wrote *many* songs that will be loved by generations who have little to
> >> >no clue who they were. That is talent!
> >>
> >> My dad said they were destroying the Youth of America. "That's not music at
> >> all, they're just going Yeah, Yeah, Yeah all the time."
> >>
> >
> >** Really ? Says a lot about him and nothing about the famous song.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGbWU8S3vzs
> >
> >> Ironically, I have heard my peers say the exact same thing about rap.
> >
> >** That it is not music at all ?
> > Doubt the performers even think of "'Rap" as music.
> > Look at the name.
> >
> Rap is a broad church.

** False. Rap = speech.

Nothing else or more was implied here.



...... Phil

[Don Pearce]

On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 12:25:39 -0800 (PST), "palli...@gmail.com"
<palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Rap is a broad church.
>
>** False. Rap = speech.
>
>Nothing else or more was implied here.
>

Genres are never that clearly defined. They always have fuzzy edges.

[palli...@gmail.com]

Don Pearce wrote:
==============
> "palli...@gmail.com"

> <
> >> Rap is a broad church.
> >
> >** False. Rap = speech.
> >Nothing else or more was implied here.
> >
> Genres are never that clearly defined. They always have fuzzy edges.

** The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain.



.... Phil

[geoff]

On 26/01/2022 10:04 pm, Markus Ermert wrote:
> geoff <ge...@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>
> [Disney+]

>
>> I joined for just a month at flat-rate cost around $12. If you have
>> internet it is 'available'. Except maybe in North Korea or Albania.
>

> Don‘t place Albania in this row. More dynamic and friendly and much less
> backward than perceived by many.
>
> Anyway, Disney+ is available in 53 of 195 countries only. So still enough
> sh..hole areas to apply one‘s uneducated prejudices on.

Not available in Albania.

But I guess like anywhere else they could use a VPN server, if those are
accessible.

geoff