Neumann M 149, Lawson L251 or Manley Ref. Cardioid??
William Wilson
Any opinions?
What are the main differences between these 3 mics?
Brad5195
It really depends on the sound you want. I absolutely love the Focusrite
ISA430 and recommend it to my customers in the most demanding recording
applications. I am a huge Manley fan but in the case of this mic preamp/mic
combination, I really like the M149 with the ISA430. The Manley Gold Reference
is obviously an incredible mic but I would use it only on something like a Vox
Box but that really depends on the sound you are trying to get.
Brad Lyons
Sweetwater
D. Butler
but it costs more.
db
> I'm looking for a great vocal tube mic to go with a Focusrite ISA 430.
> Any opinions?
> What are the main differences between these 3 mics?
>
>
--
David 'db' Butler, Consultant
Acoustics by db
"...all the rest are just brokers"
now on the web at http://www.db-engineering.com
Boston, Mass Phone 617 969-0585 Fax 617 964-1590
LS1productions
Any opinions?
What are the main differences between these 3 mics? >>
I have an ISA 110 and I my two favorite mics that I've put in it are a Blue
U47, and a Nuemy U47 tube which was refurbished a few years back. These mics
are very big and natural but not too bright, try them.
LS
Fletcher
Let's see...Brad from Sweetwater recommended a Manley 'Gold
Reference'...because they sell them. David Butler recommended an
M-149...because he sells them.
We sell both, but I'm going to recommend that you try (perhaps rent) the 3
and see which works best for your applications. They're all excellent
mics, they're all radically different sounding, you will find them all
very useful for some things over other things, but none will work for all
things.
You might want to consider throwing the Soundelux stuff into the fray as
well...they've been making some excellent stuff that IMO represent an
excellent value.
Best of luck with your search.
--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
TEL: 508-543-0069
FAX: 508-543-9670
http://www.mercenary.com
"this is not a problem"
Producers/Engineers/Hardware forum:
Go to: http://www.recording.org
register, then proceed to 'Pro Talk'
it's next to the frozen food aisle
William Wilson
Ted Spencer
that's not feasable Lynn Fuston's 3D Microphone CD is one way to hear those
mics and many others in relatively controlled circumstances. I got my copy last
week and it's fascinating.
What I've found so far is that if you compare a known mic to to one you don't
know you can make some meaningful conclusions. I do think though, that absolute
determinations aren't possible due to the extreme variations in the sound of
people's voices. In other words a mic that sounds best on a particular singer
may be worst on another.
I've been extremely curious to hear the Soundelux ELUX 251 and my feeling from
Lynn's CD is that it may be a *very* cool mic. I was less impressed with the
Lawson L251 (which in fairness costs half as much) but YMMV.
3D Audio's site is: www.3daudioinc.com
Ted Spencer, NYC
"The R.A.F would never allow chickens at the controls of complex aircraft!"
From "Chicken Run"
Bob Olhsson
<Flet...@mercenary.com> wrote:
>you will find them all very useful for some things over other things,
>but none will work for all things.
This is the key issue to understand. Which mike works best can also
change with the weather or the phase of the moon not to mention a
different key, singer, musician, instrument or studio. They can also
sound totally different with or without shock mounts, on hardwood
floors or carpet or in proximity to large objects such as walls.
Everybody wants a simple answer, just get an "x" and all of your
problems are solved. A mike is only a single part of a very complex
process. It's important, but if your monitor setup isn't good enough,
you'll never figure out where to place it which is even MORE important.
Likewise having a "plan b" to go to often makes a far bigger difference
than which mike you used.
--
Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery Recording Project Design and Consulting
Box 90412, Nashville TN 37209 Tracking, Mixing and Mastering
615.352.7635 FAX 615.356.2483 Mix Evaluation and Quality Control
40 years of making people sound better than they thought possible!
D. Butler
to make yourself look credible.
We recommend the M149 because we have years more experience than you AND have done
the listening as well as feedback from the nation's top engineers.
We also know what we are talking about, which is more than I can say for you.
We sell nearly every brand made, for the record. Unlike some people, we base
recommendations on knowledge rather than what we carry.
db
PS: I really enjoyed having eBay bust you for your little shill bidding stunt as
Amook-32. Way to go, weenie-boy!
> Let's see...Brad from Sweetwater recommended a Manley 'Gold
> Reference'...because they sell them. David Butler recommended an
> M-149...because he sells them.
>
> We sell both, but I'm going to recommend that you try (perhaps rent) the 3
> and see which works best for your applications. They're all excellent
> mics, they're all radically different sounding, you will find them all
> very useful for some things over other things, but none will work for all
> things.
>
> Best of luck with your search.
> --
> Fletcher
> Mercenary Audio
> TEL: 508-543-0069
> FAX: 508-543-9670
> http://www.mercenary.com
> "we will stop at nothing make sales including lying & cheating""
bruce seifried
"D. Butler" wrote:
<snip>
>
> We recommend the M149 because we have years more experience than you AND have done
> the listening as well as feedback from the nation's top engineers.
As one of the first people in this country to audition the M149, I wasn't impressed.
However, tastes vary.
>
> We also know what we are talking about, which is more than I can say for you.
>
> We sell nearly every brand made, for the record... <snip>
..except for the other two mics mentioned here; Manley and Lawson.
Can we can this chatter?
Bruce Seifried
Eclair Engineering
Roscoesrec
Roscoe
Lynn Fuston
Let the fun begin.
D. Butler
Pardon, your lack of objectivity is showing.
db
> Can we can this chatter?
>
>
> Bruce Seifried
> Eclair Engineering
>
>
>
>
--
JnyVee
making the most noise and showing the most need.
In article <dbsales-F1FA89...@news.supernews.com>, "D.
Andy Carrell
( assuming english accent )
"let's not bicker about who killed who..."
andy
<:>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on"...
Dean Martin
Fletcher
> Gee, Fletcher, you must be losing confidence when you have to stoop to false claims
> to make yourself look credible.
>
No, moron, I don't have to "stoop to false claims to look credible", I'll leave that to
you. Nice attempt at a troll, I'm not playing with you any more, but it was certainly
a perfectly in character, mediocre attempt. Keep it up!! You're doin' swell...(as
trolls go that is).
--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
TEL: 508-543-0069
FAX: 508-543-9670
http://www.mercenary.com
D. Butler
sure. Something I don't waste my time doing, nice try.
And, unlike you, I haven't been busted on eBay for shill bidding because, unlike
you, I am not dishonest enough to pull that kind of crap to begin with.
But honesty and integrity never were anything you seemed to grasp...
db
> > Gee, Fletcher, you must be losing confidence when you have to stoop to
> > false claims to make yourself look credible.
> >
>
> No, moron, I don't have to "stoop to false claims to look credible", I'll
> leave that to
> you. Nice attempt at a troll, I'm not playing with you any more, but it
> was certainly
> a perfectly in character, mediocre attempt. Keep it up!! You're doin'
> swell...(as
> trolls go that is).
> --
> Fletcher
> Mercenary Audio
> TEL: 508-543-0069
> FAX: 508-543-9670
> http://www.moronic.com
> "Is there a problem ? We'll just lie to cover it up !"
david
<o...@hyperback.com> wrote:
> >you will find them all very useful for some things over other things,
> >but none will work for all things.
>
> This is the key issue to understand. Which mike works best can also
> change with the weather or the phase of the moon not to mention a
> different key, singer, musician, instrument or studio. They can also
> sound totally different with or without shock mounts, on hardwood
> floors or carpet or in proximity to large objects such as walls.
>
> Everybody wants a simple answer, just get an "x" and all of your
> problems are solved. A mike is only a single part of a very complex
> process. It's important, but if your monitor setup isn't good enough,
> you'll never figure out where to place it which is even MORE important.
> Likewise having a "plan b" to go to often makes a far bigger difference
> than which mike you used.
Bob's wise words should be bronzed and reposted here every week.
David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island
Greg Heimbecker
Broadswords, barge, river... there can be only one...
hank alrich
> That is pretty funny, you make false claims steadily on eBay and here,
> that is for sure.
So how is ol' Jakey doin' in the office, Butler, bro'? You got him a
computer of his own yet or is he still licking dust offa the lightbulbs
for ya?
Keep up this stupidity, Davey, and folks will point out that a lot of
goofy shit about your business style can be gleaned via Google, using
the "author" term Jakey. I'm sure you remember him.
Oh, one more thing: no matter how much this post pisses you off,
remember who Jakey really is, and don't send me any more digusting
emails saying derogatory things about my wife, whom you don't even know.
Because if you do, I'll put it up on the board for all the troops to
review.
> And, unlike you, I haven't been busted on eBay for shill bidding because,
> unlike you, I am not dishonest enough to pull that kind of crap to begin
> with.
Riiiiiight, whatever you say. By the way, if you are going to accuse
Fletcher of shill bidding, how's about you come up with the evidence?
> But honesty and integrity never were anything you seemed to grasp...
And in your camp I suppose it's "Jakey" who handles that action? The
"honesty"? The "integrity"? When _you_ try to post via a false handle
through an anonymnnous server but _you_ aren't quite smart enough to
figure out how to do that, so _you_ get caught by Tonebarge? Maybe you
want to step offa your dick and tell us the real story? I don't think
so. So damned hard to get Jakey offa your dick.
In any case, whatever you have to say, put it up here.
--
hank alrich * secret__mountain
audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
"If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"
D. Butler
db
> > And, unlike you, I haven't been busted on eBay for shill bidding because,
> > unlike you, I am not dishonest enough to pull that kind of crap to begin
> > with.
>
> Riiiiiight, whatever you say. By the way, if you are going to accuse
> Fletcher of shill bidding, how's about you come up with the evidence?
>
Search ebay.
Fletcher
> You notice he doesn't even try to contest it...
>
There really is very little point, you'll twist it to your own little psycho
purposes. I told you before I'm not playing, and I meant it.
Change my .sig file (real adult stuff...or is that a dolt?), steal our code and
call Wiz a "dweeb", say what you're going to say....I really don't give a shit
about you, nor what you have to say.
The fact of the matter remains that you can't harm my reputation, and I really
don't care to take the time effort and energy to acknowledge your horseshit. Go
find someone else to play with, or go fuck yourself whichever you find easier.
--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
TEL: 508-543-0069
FAX: 508-543-9670
JnyVee
Butler" <dbs...@icnt.net> wrote:
David, I asked you nicely not to email me about anything, especially
just to call me pouty names and assault my character. I already know my
character, -you- certainly aren't going to make any inroads in getting
me to reasess it so save the finger-mileage. Any future unsoliticited
correspondence will be treated as any other public announcement. It's
really for the best as you need to keep your focus on the business
info-flow and your public image and don't need to waste time on the
likes of me.
D. Butler
auctions, mine being one. All part of your lifelong pattern of sleaze...
I don't need to ruin your reputation, you do a marvelous job yourself.
Work on that toity mouth, I really should wash your mouth out with soap, little boy.
db
PS: Your "Dweeb" web designer calls taking an idea from his very generic table
designs theft when they aren't original, thinks he is cool burying threats in his
code and designed you a site that gets laughs from some and tears from anyone
accessing it with a modem...
--
hank alrich
> tears from anyone
> accessing it with a modem...
Since your 'net chops are so very advanced, check those modem settings,
becaue the Merc site loads fine here, two thousand miles away in the
boonies over miles of ancient copper wire hooked to my modem.
Paul Winkler
>
> You notice he doesn't even try to contest it...
>
> db
>
> > > And, unlike you, I haven't been busted on eBay for shill bidding because,
> > > unlike you, I am not dishonest enough to pull that kind of crap to begin
> > > with.
> >
> > Riiiiiight, whatever you say. By the way, if you are going to accuse
> > Fletcher of shill bidding, how's about you come up with the evidence?
> >
>
> Search ebay.
Please explain how I can find the information you're describing.
I searched ebay's help for anything useful on shill bidding -
they don't say how to find out if someone's been busted before.
I found feedback ratings for amook-32 but no way to know if that
username is connected to Fletcher.
--
................... paul winkler ....................
custom calendars & printing: http://www.calendargalaxy.com
A member of ARMS: http://www.reacharms.com
home page: http://www.slinkp.com
D. Butler
way;
IF YOU DON'T WANT EMAILS, THEN DON'T MAKE PERSONAL REMARKS ON THE NG. Try acting
like an adult and you will get treated like one. If you have a personal commentary,
take it OFF the NG, as you have been asked repeatedly to by many members of the
community, not just me. or just don't bother, who cares what you think of me
personally anyway ?
If you must make idiotic, off-topic remarkss, send me an email, I won't need to
reply and I won't. Post them and you get an email, got it ?
Read the group FAQ: you won't find making personal commentaries listes as an
appropriate use.
db
JnyVee
<moc....@ybmurbrevlis.com> wrote:
> In article <dbsales-45ECA5...@news.supernews.com>, "D.
> Butler" <dbs...@icnt.net> wrote:
> David, I asked you nicely not to email me about anything,
- snip happens -
D. Butler
acknowleged he is Amook-32, BTW...
db
PS: anyone who wants details is welcome to email them.
Paul Winkler <slin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "D. Butler" wrote:
> >
> > You notice he doesn't even try to contest it...
> >
> > db
> >
> > > > And, unlike you, I haven't been busted on eBay for shill bidding
> > > > because,
> > > > unlike you, I am not dishonest enough to pull that kind of crap to
> > > > begin
> > > > with.
> > >> > >
> >
> > Search ebay.
>
> Please explain how I can find the information you're describing.
> I searched ebay's help for anything useful on shill bidding -
> they don't say how to find out if someone's been busted before.
> I found feedback ratings for amook-32 but no way to know if that
> username is connected to Fletcher.
--
Paul Winkler
>
> Email me, I will be nappy to point you at the info. Fletcher has publicly
> acknowleged he is Amook-32, BTW...
Why don't you just post it here? If you can make the accusation
public, why should the evidence not be public as well?
redtenor
"Paul Winkler" <slin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Fletcher
> "D. Butler" wrote:
> >
> > You notice he doesn't even try to contest it...
> >
> > db
> >
> > > > And, unlike you, I haven't been busted on eBay for shill bidding because,
> > > > unlike you, I am not dishonest enough to pull that kind of crap to begin
> > > > with.
> > >
> > > Riiiiiight, whatever you say. By the way, if you are going to accuse
> > > Fletcher of shill bidding, how's about you come up with the evidence?
> > >
> >
> > Search ebay.
>
> Please explain how I can find the information you're describing.
> I searched ebay's help for anything useful on shill bidding -
> they don't say how to find out if someone's been busted before.
> I found feedback ratings for amook-32 but no way to know if that
> username is connected to Fletcher.
Hi Paul, I am indeed "Amook-32", had the account name for quite a while. I have
found from time to time that when I have gone after a piece of gear as "Fletcher",
suddenly the interest grows in that piece, which consequently raises the
price...yada, yada, yada. What Davey is referring to is that from time to time
"Amook" bid on his auctions.
Amook has never bid on any of the Mercenary Audio auctions, but from time to time
"Amook" has bid on some of Dave's. This goes back a ways, and is extremely
childish. About a year or so ago Davey decided to put some Pendulum Audio gear up
for auction, see he's not a dealer for the product line, nor can he gain access to
the line, but he had it up for auction. Seeing as he posted an announcement for
the auction on r.a.p. I thought it would be amusing to bid on the item, I mean what
the hell, it's not like the deal could actually go down as there was no way he
could have obtained the product except by purchasing it from an authorized Pendulum
dealer (it's called "2-stepping, it's how Dave gets most of his stuff...from
Neumann's to Alan Smart Compressors).
At the time, I [and Amook-32] were pretty new to the whole eBay concept, so we
didn't have a "feedback rating". At some point I mentioned that I had bid on the
Pendulum piece (thus blowing the Amook-32 cover...so now I have a new 'stealth
purchasing name'), and Davey went ballistic. He also added something like anyone
with a feedback rating lower than "3" couldn't bid on his stuff (or something
ridiculous like that). A few 'eBay experienced' folks came to 'Amook's aid...and
gave feedback on previous transactions (I did not ask for them to do this, they did
it all on their own!! It really warmed my heart and I still thank those folk)...at
which point Dave's alter ego: "jayk-weller" came out of the woodwork and warned
the world about the questionable feedback. Hey, I told you the whole thing is
childish.
Amook-32 went on to have a transaction that didn't go through when the guy didn't
answer my request for an invoice (you know, like a place to send the money...it was
more than likely a "communications problem" on my end as I really wanted what he
was selling, and was pretty bummed the deal didn't work out)...other than that,
Amook-32 has a an absolutely spotless record. "jayk-weller" on the other hand has
several "negative feedback" comments....none of which were placed there by me, but
by people he didn't pay for stuff he wanted to buy...that's why he started using
the "buyers account" in the firstplace...for one of his classic "airhead" moves
[these are all quotes from the man's feedback, I'm not creating any new information
here].
The classic "ob1db" account has several negative feedbacks from him not paying his
bills, so he started using "jayk-weller" as a 'buying account' which allows him to
be his usual bullshit/scumbag self without further damage to his "ob1db" 'eBay
feedback' rating. If I gave a shit, I'd go look up his other selling account
"obwandb"...but I don't, so I won't...but you may feel absolutely free to pursue
the issue at your leisure.
I'm quite sure this is going to cause him to bring some bad juju to my regular
account "flet...@mercenary.com", as I don't think he'll take the "reality portion
of our program" too well...something tells me that he'll pull one of his several
selves out of his ass and tarnish the small, yet perfect record achieved. Oh
well...I guess shit happens. The fact of the matter is he can't harm our
reputation no matter how hard he tries, and I don't have to worry about his...he
does a fine job of fucking his up all on his own without any outside assistance.
The irony abounds...we had a nice format to our ads, he decided to lift it, alter
the text, and use it for his TLM-103 ads. He then began calling himself the
'honest dealer', and how you shouldn't buy from "sleazy dealers that use attack
ads" (the irony being that his whole ad attacks Mercenary...this line is my
favorite...I don't know who comes up with this shit for him, but it's priceless
"Bid with Confidence, You are buying from a real audio dealer not some reject from
the back of "Soldier of Fortune" magazine."
Johnny Wiz (the guy that does our webstuff) puts some text in the code telling Dave
that if he stole our ad again, he'd be sued for copyright infringement (we didn't
think it necessary to copyright the original advertisement...after all, what kind
of a moron would steal an ad?)...apparently, if you check out the source code on
'ob1db's auctions there is a message to Johnny Wiz...though I can't remember what
it is. I do like how he calls Wiz a "dweeb" in the big red box at the bottom of
his auctions for mentioning that his firm did the layout for our auctions.
Personally, I think Wiz does great work (he does our website as well) and deserves
credit for his efforts.
As for the whole 'shill bidding' issue...I don't know if you can call it "shill
bidding" if it's not on your own item...but yep, from time to time I have actually
bid on a couple of Dave's auctions...last I heard it was a free country and could
do that. I guess not in Davids' (I used the plural form of the possessive
purposely as there are so many names/personality's he employs...from the different
names that show up on r.a.p. to the myriad of eBay identities he possesses)
world...the same world where he tells "Hankey" to grow up, and tells "JnyV" he has
a "pouty mouth" and should grow up as well.
Really guys, this is way more than needs to be said about any of this. Reality
doesn't seem to be the guy's strong suit, which is cool. Let the guy say what he
wants, it seems to bring him pleasure...and even Dave needs something to bring him
happiness. If he wants to imagine that he has a better reputation than Mercenary,
if he's decided that he's "the honest guy", if he can find a real live, as in
living, as in has their own "Social Security" card, as in not one of the many
fictional Dave's that exist; that has ever experienced anything but quick
responses, fair deals, and superior service from Mercenary Audio...I know I'd love
to hear about it, if for no other reason than to put things right.
I've wasted enough time on this bullshit...enjoy the rest of the weekend. This
shit really needs to just die.
--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
TEL: 508-543-0069
FAX: 508-543-9670
Ty Ford
really quickly. If you want to argue with someone, fine, but do it on your
own bandwidth. It makes the group look unprofessional to have your personal
dirty laundry hanging out on the line.
It's not just this string but ALL strings that fit this mold. Rellay folks,
that's what email is for. The rest of us don't really care that your shorts
are in a twist.
Let's try to adhere to the rule: I will not dump garbage on the newsgroup.
Regards,
Ty Ford
In Article <dbsales-F81231...@news.supernews.com>, "D. Butler"
Ty Ford's audio equipment reviews and V/O sound files can be accessed at
http://www.jagunet.com/~tford
Rob Adelman
Fletcher wrote:
>
> I've wasted enough time on this bullshit...enjoy the rest of the weekend. This
> shit really needs to just die.
Exactly.
Fletcher, thanks for putting some perspective on the situation. The
winner(s) will be the one(s) that will truly ignore any negative
comments from the other(s).
Just let them fight with them self :)
(Just a thought)
Rob Adelman
D. Butler
tf...@jagunet.com (Ty Ford) wrote:
> I'm not alone in my hope that this sort of personal back and forth goes
> away
> really quickly. If you want to argue with someone, fine, but do it on
> your
> own bandwidth. It makes the group look unprofessional to have your
> personal
> dirty laundry hanging out on the line.
>
> It's not just this string but ALL strings that fit this mold. Rellay
> folks,
> that's what email is for. The rest of us don't really care that your
> shorts
> are in a twist.
>
> Let's try to adhere to the rule: I will not dump garbage on the
> newsgroup.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty Ford
>
--
hank alrich
> Fletcher wrote:
> > I've wasted enough time on this bullshit...enjoy the rest of the
> > weekend. This shit really needs to just die.
> Exactly.
> Fletcher, thanks for putting some perspective on the situation. The
> winner(s) will be the one(s) that will truly ignore any negative
> comments from the other(s).
> Just let them fight with them self :)
I think I explained pretty clearly why I get on this case. I'm not
handing the room over to those who would forgt their lies to us and then
attack the integrity of others.
Rob Adelman
hank alrich wrote:
>
>
> I think I explained pretty clearly why I get on this case. I'm not
> handing the room over to those who would forgt their lies to us and then
> attack the integrity of others.
I see your point, but I do not believe the room was being handed over to
anyone. If poster A and poster B are having an argument, even if poster
A is a lying scum, I don't see any reason for poster B to keep the
argument going. This doesn't help anything.
The rest of the group is free to make their own conclusions, regardless.
Rob Adelman
Miklin Halstead
> hank alrich wrote:
> > I think I explained pretty clearly why I get on this case. I'm not
> > handing the room over to those who would forgt their lies to us and > > then attack the integrity of others.
>
> I see your point, but I do not believe the room was being handed over > to anyone. If poster A and poster B are having an argument, even if
> poster A is a lying scum, I don't see any reason for poster B to keep > the argument going. This doesn't help anything.
>
> The rest of the group is free to make their own conclusions,
> regardless.
>
I'm with Hank on this (as usual, I might add). If we want to keep the quality
of this group up, there's benefit to making the past behavior of certain lying
scum known, if only so we don't have to keep reading new stories of new
members falling prey to it.
But I agree with you in the sense that it shouldn't be hard for the rest of
the group to come to an appropriate conclusion!
Miklin
hank alrich
> If we want to keep the quality
> of this group up, there's benefit to making the past behavior of certain lying
> scum known, if only so we don't have to keep reading new stories of new
> members falling prey to it.
Thanks, Miklin; that is my point. David Butler has a lot of experience
at audio engineering, is a very knowledgeable tech, has accomplished
some wonderful things in his audio engineering career, and when he
brings that side of his personality to rec.audio.pro he is an extremely
valuable contributor.
But I take his gear suggestions with a grain of sand because he cannot
give advice about equipment without pushing what he's trying to sell.
And when he bashes the honesty of others he must expect his past to
follow him until he changes his ways and owns up to his history.
Andy Carrell
r.a.p.sters, would absolutely LOVE to see this so called "fued" to
stop....the thing is, i've seen fletcher say, many times, "please let
this die"....i just wish db would let it go....i generally like db,
except when he's arguing about silly, petty things....
i KNOW that BOTH fletcher AND dave have a lot of knowledge and
could really be some of the best contributers on r.a.p..... many times
they are...in the past, both of them have been kind enough to answer my
questions, even the silly ones....
i think that dave sometimes sees too much into comments made,
often ones that were not attacks on him, and he automatically goes into
his "defensive" mode....
i wish we could just drop the whole thing and start from a "clean
slate", but i know that's not gonna happen....it's been tried before,
and it didn't work....
anyway...for the past help that you guys (db AND fletcher) THANK
YOU...YOU DON'T REALIZE HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE,
UNDERSTANDING, AND WILLINGNESS TO SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCE AND
KNOWLEDGE.....but please....for the good of ra.p. ....let it die....
Paul Winkler
>
> "D. Butler" wrote:
> >
> > Email me, I will be nappy to point you at the info. Fletcher has publicly
> > acknowleged he is Amook-32, BTW...
>
> Why don't you just post it here? If you can make the accusation
> public, why should the evidence not be public as well?
OK, so now we know Fletcher IS Amook-32, so my question is now:
Where is the evidence that amook-32 has been engaged in shill
bidding, or was otherwise "busted" by ebay for any infraction?
D. Butler
repeatedly asked by many to stop the OT comments. I forwarded Ty's remark to you, so
I know you have seen it.
db
walk...@thegrid.net
(hank alrich) wrote:
> Rob Adelman <r...@skihappy.com> wrote:
>
> > Fletcher wrote:
>
> > > I've wasted enough time on this bullshit...enjoy the rest of the
> > > weekend. This shit really needs to just die.
>
> > Exactly.
>
> > Fletcher, thanks for putting some perspective on the situation. The
> > winner(s) will be the one(s) that will truly ignore any negative
> > comments from the other(s).
>
> > Just let them fight with them self :)
>
> I think I explained pretty clearly why I get on this case. I'm not
> handing the room over to those who would forgt their lies to us and then
> attack the integrity of others.
--
hank alrich
> OK, so now we know Fletcher IS Amook-32, so my question is now:
> Where is the evidence that amook-32 has been engaged in shill
> bidding, or was otherwise "busted" by ebay for any infraction?
There is no such evidence in the referenced activity, and I consider it
a measure of David Butler's mental capacity that he would offer this
scenario as evidence of same. In fact, the evidence indicates that Mr.
Butler attempted to auction gear he did not have and could not get. I
bet there's a word for that type of activity.
hank alrich
> I forwarded Ty's remark to you, so I know you have seen it.
Thanks, David, but I can read Ty's posts without your help. You got a
lot of concepts to be suggesting folks should quit stuff when they're
asked. How many times do people need to ask you to stop sending them
eamil before you can figure out what the hell they are telling you?
NNTR. It's obviously rhetorical.
This is not rhetorical, however: ever heard of Günter Pauler of Pauler
Acoustics in Northeim, Germany? Funny this thread started out about
M149s, eh? Stick around. I think I'm going to ask you some pretty blunt
questions right here in public. And I'm going to name db-Engineering
purchase order numbers; I'm going to quote you in public (you know, the
promise to pay immediately upon notification of shipment thang); I might
even ask if perhaps Jakey misplaced the check or something. You're gonna
love it. And be careful with the excuses, David. I might already know
what you think you're going to say. But checking the date on that PO and
the date on your FAX with the promise of immediate payment ought to
alert you to the reality that some excuses just will not fly when they
are confronted by logic and facts.
Interesting that you also wrote, earlier in this thread:
> I think some of you might need to grab 2 or 3 M149s