Peavey Black Widow 15" comparable to JBL 22xx series??
Jerry P Morrow
A 'professional' Peavey 15" woofer (Black Widow) is about
$100 less than a JBL 22xx series 15" woofer. Are they
comparable, or would I just be paying for the JBL name.
Jerry
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Mike Maloney
morr...@wesley.cig.mot.com (Jerry P Morrow) wrote:
>A 'professional' Peavey 15" woofer (Black Widow) is about
>$100 less than a JBL 22xx series 15" woofer. Are they
>comparable, or would I just be paying for the JBL name.
>
>Jerry
For a direct comparison, one would have to know specifically which JBL
model you are considerering, but as I recall, a Black Widow has a
Music (or Progam) Power rating of 250 watts. This will generally
compare to an RMS rating of 125 watts. The JBL 22xx series exhibits
lower distortion across the board. JBL offers version which are
optimized for various applications - horn loading, extended range in
various directions, high power, etc.
Yes, you pay something for the JBL name. But you get something with
the name - attention to detail, honest specifications, excellent
all-around quality. There really is no comparison.
If you want other options for great low-frequency drivers, check out
Electrovoice DL and EVX series components - or for a tighter budget
EVM series components. Also McCauley.
Jerry Richardson
For the money, the PAS 1580 is a good choice. 3" VC, 300W RMS Power
Handling.
I would full agree on the JBL, EV, McCauley choices as well.
RCF is an OEM MFR recently engaged in sales under the RCF brand name.
Peavy is a very entry level driver.
Jerry
Mike Maloney <m...@eadinc.com> wrote in article
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Chad Dwight Wahls
Do go with the JBL 2226, it's a 15" in their VGC line. And....woah.
I (as you can tell) really like them, they go low and sound warm and rich.
Good choice for a dual 15" sub or excellent choice to between a sub and
mid/hi pak. An excellent combo for clubs is (per side) 2 SR4718 1 2241G
18" per cab, 1 SR4715 each with 2 2226H, and 1 SR4732 with (2) 2206H (1)
2445J 2" and a 2405H baby butt. Powered by a Crown 3600vz, 2400, and 1200.
Verah Nache. Good mods include: EDCb cards in the amps (limiting), and
after blowing the 4 Ohm 2241 G's (you will) recone to 8 Ohm. The 3600vz's
dont like shitty club power and a 2 Ohm load at once, and of course to be
nittpicky upgrade the 2445's to 2450's.
OK I'm drooling into my keyboard, I'll qiut now mommy!
Where the hell is that Live Sound newsgroup!?
chad
D.R "Chris" Christensen
Mike Maloney wrote:
> morr...@wesley.cig.mot.com (Jerry P Morrow) wrote:
> >A 'professional' Peavey 15" woofer (Black Widow) is about
> >$100 less than a JBL 22xx series 15" woofer. Are they
> >comparable, or would I just be paying for the JBL name.
JBL makes a fine product. They are used all over the worlds and are
very reliable.
The Peavey speakers are also a fine product and very reliable. Read on.
> For a direct comparison, one would have to know specifically which JBL
> model you are considerering, but as I recall, a Black Widow has a
> Music (or Progam) Power rating of 250 watts. This will generally
> compare to an RMS rating of 125 watts.
This information is incorrect:
The Peavey BW series speakers have similar power ratings. They are
tested to a specific AES standard. The BW's have 4" voice coils with a
RMS rating of 250 watts and a 500 watt peak power cap. It is my belief
that Peavey publishes decent specs and maintains a high quality control
on their products.
>The JBL 22xx series exhibits
> lower distortion across the board. JBL offers version which are
> optimized for various applications - horn loading, extended range in
> various directions, high power, etc.
It is true that JBL produces a wider range of products. Peavey doesn't
publish their distortion figures and I haven;t tested the BW's OR JBL's
for that matter as far as distortion goes.
What do you base your distortion comments on?
> Yes, you pay something for the JBL name. But you get something with
> the name - attention to detail, honest specifications, excellent
> all-around quality. There really is no comparison.
I believe that there IS a comparison to be made. Without a doubt, JBL
is a fine product. I don't believe that you have pointed out an aspect
of the drivers that Peavey doesn't match up to quite well. I have
compared Peavey and JBL products. Their attention to detail, honesty
in specifications and quality compare very well indeed.
I believe that you are damning Peavey based on products OTHER than their
raw frame speakers.
Something that Peavey has done VERY right is their HF drivers. Their 1"
and 2" drivers are much less expensive and perform right up there with
the JBL drivers.
chrisc
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Dale Lefebvre
Jerry P Morrow wrote:
>
> A 'professional' Peavey 15" woofer (Black Widow) is about
> $100 less than a JBL 22xx series 15" woofer. Are they
> comparable, or would I just be paying for the JBL name.
>
>
Jerry;
Wether we buy JBL or Peavey we all pay something for the name. I've
used JBL products for over 20 years. Past experience has proven that
JBL both outlasts and out performs Peavey's speakers. Example, in 1978
I rebuilt my two leslie speaker cabinets. We're now in 1997 and the
drivers installed at that then are still in operation today.
Presently, I recommend that people use either model #2226 or 2206, 15" &
12" respectively, for their bottom needs.
In my personal rig I use JBL's twin 12 Concert Series cabinets, with
2206 model drivers, for bottom end. I power the cabinets with 1 Audio
Pro AP3000 power amp per box, 2400W bridged mono, and have had no
problems. The cabinets are in use on average 5 days per week, 4 - 6
hours per day. They are now four years old and the tonal quality is the
same as the day I purchased them.
Hope my experience with JBL will help you decide on your choice of
drivers.
In Christ
Dale Lefebvre
Mike Maloney
"D.R \"Chris\" Christensen" <chr...@nccn.net> wrote:
>The Peavey BW series speakers have similar power ratings. They are
>tested to a specific AES standard. The BW's have 4" voice coils with a
>RMS rating of 250 watts and a 500 watt peak power cap. It is my belief
>that Peavey publishes decent specs and maintains a high quality control
>on their products.
OK - I can be a bigot sometimes.
I yield to more current knowledge, and humbly apologize to Hartley.
With regards to their spec's - and anything else stated in my post
regarding this issue:
Several years ago ('90 I think) I was faced with the
challenge/opportunity of comparing several 15" speakers for use in a
major NFL stadium. My position was as a third-party consultant, with
the task of resolving the selection.
In order to settle the matter, specs for the speakers involved were
submitted. At the time, the Peavey specs submitted were unqualified -
no references to testing methods were given. Oh well. Be it the fault
of Peavey, or the submitter (I remember calling Peavey for the spec,
and it was given in music power as well).
So times have changed in that regard - good for Peavey, and shame on
me.
>It is true that JBL produces a wider range of products.
My unspoken point in this sentence is directed at the original poster
- there are a lot of "generic" speakers in the world. By this I mean
speakers that can be interchanged without dramatic repercussions.
JBL's speakers don't often fit those patterns. If you have a box tuned
for 2225s, you need to be careful in selecting a replacement speaker.
Specs aren't just power handling, frequency response and sensitivity.
Get the Thiele-Small parameters for the loudspeaker, and select
something close to the JBL - if you slap the wrong cone in the box you
are likely to be disappointed with the results.
>Peavey doesn't
>publish their distortion figures and I haven;t tested the BW's OR JBL's
>for that matter as far as distortion goes.
I guess that leads us to the second part of the story -
(6) horn loaded LF enclosures from several manufacturers, (3) Crest
5001's, GenRad SLM and HP distortion analyzer.
We went pretty quick and dirty on it - sensitivity, off-axis response,
maxSPL, and yes, distortion.
The net result showed an Altec as coming out on top, actually. The JBL
system was close, as well as an EV loaded box. [the definition of
"top" in this instance was max total output, highest Q, and lowest
distortion].
The Peavey did fine for sensitivity. However, it power-compressed
terribly, and as it did so, distortion went through the roof. It did
not melt down - so technically, it met its published specs.
But that is history.
I went to the Peavey home page, checked out the Black Widow - I
noticed many references to improvements...new basket, new cone, new
magnet structure. Who knows, maybe it is a new Peavey after all.
Then again, I never noticed a reference to efficiency on the cones -
or max output on any of their cabinets. Do they publish T/S parameters
on the speakers?
>I believe that you are damning Peavey based on products OTHER than their
>raw frame speakers.
No - just on their history. I'm not going to be buying any of their
products any time soon. In light of a "new" Black Widow, or new
attitude, consider my statements withdrawn.
Mike Maloney
gary watts
D.R \"Chris\" Christensen (chr...@nccn.net) wrote:
: Something that Peavey has done VERY right is their HF drivers. Their 1"
: and 2" drivers are much less expensive and perform right up there with
: the JBL drivers.
:
: chrisc
Can I assume you're not talking about the aluminum 22A drivers? I find
them very harsh in comparision. Perhaps the 22ti units which I haven't
got to hear.
Gary
Doug Fowler
Chad Dwight Wahls <cu...@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> wrote in article
<5c42hf$f...@ecom2.ecn.bgu.edu>...
> Where the hell is that Live Sound newsgroup!?
> chad
Chad - it's not a newsgroup, more of a board. You can find it at:
www.roaddog.com/dstevens/live_audio
Nothing but sound reinforcement.......
-doug
Joe Fanelli
Just about every tech rider for national acts in clubs, casinos etc that
I've gotten has said NO Peavey gear, and the big boys certainly don't load
their boxes with Black Widows. Do yourself a favor, spend the extra bucks
and buy a pro speaker that dosen't bolt together.
--
insert clever saying here...
Joe Fanelli
Fanelli Sound & Lights
rbryan
Jerry Richardson wrote:
>
> For the money, the PAS 1580 is a good choice. 3" VC, 300W RMS Power
> Handling.
>
> I would full agree on the JBL, EV, McCauley choices as well.
>
> RCF is an OEM MFR recently engaged in sales under the RCF brand name.
>
> Peavy is a very entry level driver.
>
> Jerry
>
> Mike Maloney <m...@eadinc.com> wrote in article
> <5c2tga$2...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>...
> >
> > >A 'professional' Peavey 15" woofer (Black Widow) is about
> > >$100 less than a JBL 22xx series 15" woofer. Are they
> > >comparable, or would I just be paying for the JBL name.
> > >
> > >Jerry
> >
> > model you are considerering, but as I recall, a Black Widow has a
> > Music (or Progam) Power rating of 250 watts. This will generally
> > lower distortion across the board. JBL offers version which are
> > optimized for various applications - horn loading, extended range in
> > various directions, high power, etc.
> >
> > the name - attention to detail, honest specifications, excellent
> > all-around quality. There really is no comparison.
> >
> > Electrovoice DL and EVX series components - or for a tighter budget
> > EVM series components. Also McCauley.
> >
> >
> >
What does "OEM" stand for??
Thanks
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John & Cathleen Halliburton
> >
> > RCF is an OEM MFR recently engaged in sales under the RCF brand name.
doing so for a while.
> >
> > Peavy is a very entry level driver.
BW peavey drivers are probably made by MacCauley, they have very
similar designs physically.
> > >
> > >
>
> What does "OEM" stand for??
Original Equipment Manufacturer. An example is the arrangement stated
above with RCF and EAW.
> What happens if a big asteroid hits the Earth?
> Judging from realistic simulations involving a
> sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> we can assume it will be pretty bad.
> - Dave Barry
Don't Laugh, if the comet Hale-Bopp even comes close, it good be
disaster. Worsening weather extremes and average siesmic activity over
the last 2-3 years is possible evidence.
John
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
m. mattson
>> > For a direct comparison, one would have to know specifically which JBL
>> > model you are considerering, but as I recall, a Black Widow has a
>> > Music (or Progam) Power rating of 250 watts. This will generally
>> > compare to an RMS rating of 125 watts. The JBL 22xx series exhibits
>What does "OEM" stand for??
>Thanks
>--
Original Equipment Manufacturer.
And for the record, Peavey Black Widow 15s are rated 350 continuous,
700 program, and they will take it.
Mark
The truth as I perceive it to be.
Your perception will be different.
Jim Morgan
John & Cathleen Halliburton <byk...@Interaccess.com> wrote:
>> > Peavy is a very entry level driver.
>BW peavey drivers are probably made by MacCauley, they have very
>similar designs physically.
IIRC, The BW is made by Peavey, cloned from EV series II
I heard (unsupported) that Peavey clones most
of their drivers from EV.
Jim Morgan
JPJeep
1 word,
PEAVEY
what, are you kidding??????????????
Jim Morgan
jpj...@aol.com (JPJeep) wrote:
>1 word,
> PEAVEY
VERY GOOD, Yes that is one word.
>what, are you kidding??????????????
No I'm not, It is one word.
m. mattson
>>BW peavey drivers are probably made by MacCauley, they have very
>>similar designs physically.
>IIRC, The BW is made by Peavey, cloned from EV series II
>I heard (unsupported) that Peavey clones most
>of their drivers from EV.
Peavey makes the BW and Scorpion, not too far from Meridian, I
believe. I'm not sure if the Sheffield is farmed out.
The BW is similar to MacCauley in that they're both field serviceable
and have similar specs.
The EV stuff is no where close to the BW in design or power handleing.
Mark
Of COURSE it's my opinion.
Whose else would it be?
m. mattson
>>BW peavey drivers are probably made by MacCauley, they have very
>>similar designs physically.
>IIRC, The BW is made by Peavey, cloned from EV series II
>I heard (unsupported) that Peavey clones most
>of their drivers from EV.
Peavey makes their own Black Widow and Scorpion speakers, and they are
field serviceable like MacCauleys, beyond that I don't know how
comparable they are.
Black Widows are nothing at all like EV series II.
I'm not sure if Peavey is making the Sheffileds or if those are farmed
out.