Fox News Beats ABC/CBS & NBC
WillStG
worthy of note that in a historical first Fox News Channel (my place of
employment) beat all 3 Broadcast News divisions in the ratings this week during
the Republican National Convention. More people watched FNC than on ABC, NBC
or CBS, and Wednesday night Fox News Channel beat CBS's and ABC's viewerships
*combined*. 8 years ago ABC News was laughing at Fox's new upstart cable News
outfit. They are not laughing anymore. And even by combining their ratings
for MSNBC and the Parent NBC network, NBC was beaten by Foxc News Channel.
As a side note, MSNBC did beat CNN.
..........................................
"Fox News beats all rivals at GOP ratings"
By CAROLINE WILBERT
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 09/03/04
Fox News was the winner in the TV ratings battle during the Republican National
Convention.
On Wednesday, for the second straight night, Fox beat out not only its cable
rivals but also broadcast networks.
In the 10 p.m. hour Wednesday, when all the networks were airing convention
coverage, Fox averaged a whopping 5.9 million viewers. NBC had 4.5 million, ABC
claimed 3.3 million and CBS got 2.6 million.
In another upset, MSNBC, usually the third-rated cable news network, was
beating CNN. CNN averaged 1.202 million viewers on Wednesday between 10 p.m.
and 11 p.m., compared to MSNBC's 1.214 million. It was the second straight
night that MSNBC beat CNN.
Final convention ratings numbers come out later today.
--------------------------------
The New York Times
"Faced With Poor Ratings, Networks Soul Search"
By BILL CARTER
Published: September 3, 2004
***Excerpt***
" Like Mr. Brokaw, a number of television executives yesterday blamed the
Republicans and Democrats for the networks' dwindling convention viewership.
But as the Fox News cable channel widened its lead in the convention ratings
race, other observers suggested that the networks needed to look within.
While Fox broadcast the convention for much of the day, the three networks
covered it only from 10 to 11 p.m.
Dorrance Smith, the longtime former ABC News executive who is now a television
consultant to the Republican National Convention, called Fox's dominance in the
ratings this week "truly a seminal event," and said that that development could
be interpreted as a serious threat to the identities of the broadcast news
operations.
"It never ceases to amaze me how the networks can continue to rationalize their
ongoing decline in both numbers and relevancy," Mr. Smith said. "The way that
we and the Democrats have programmed the 10 p.m. hour has reduced their impact
dramatically. By limiting their coverage, they are forced to show what the
conventions have programmed, and it has reduced to a bare minimum their ability
to react and opine."
Dan Rather, the CBS anchor, said that precisely that kind of stage managing had
helped reduce the networks' interest in the conventions. His team, he said, was
left to act less like journalists than like sports producers who show up at a
prepackaged event and turn on their cameras.
"Actually, in sports you can do more," Mr. Rather said. "You can say the
fullback missed a block. Here we don't even get to do that."
After beating the broadcast networks for the first time on Tuesday, Fox News
dominated viewership from 10 to 11 p.m. on Wednesday, when Vice President Dick
Cheney gave his acceptance speech. Fox not only pulled in more viewers than any
individual broadcast network, with 5.918 million, but also attracted more
viewers than CBS (2.6 million) and ABC (3.3 million) combined. NBC had 4.5
million viewers, according to Nielsen Media Research.
While many network news executives dismissed Fox's success as a function of its
warmth toward the Republicans, many admitted that the size of the audience
differential on Wednesday was startling.
"Any time you see a number of that magnitude you have to think about it," Neal
Shapiro, the president of NBC News, said."
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/03/arts/television/03network.html?ex=109487
5200&en=d6de29b3bdc22942&ei=5006&partner=ALTAVISTA1
Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits
George
wil...@aol.comnospam (WillStG) wrote:
> As on-topic to this group as who is on the Billboard Charts, it is
> worthy of note that in a historical first Fox News Channel (my place of
> employment) beat all 3 Broadcast News divisions in the ratings this week
> during
> the Republican National Convention. More people watched FNC than on ABC, NBC
> or CBS, and Wednesday night Fox News Channel beat CBS's and ABC's viewerships
> *combined*. 8 years ago ABC News was laughing at Fox's new upstart cable
> News
> outfit.
and I bet more people who wanted to find out about bunt cake were
watching the "food network" than abc,fox,nbc,and cbs combined
you have a narrow focused niche audience and you were broadcasting the
pablum they live breath eat and shit
do you really find it amazing?
most of america didn't give a rats ass about the DNC or RNC conventions
george
Fed Up
> As on-topic to this group as who is on the Billboard Charts, it is
> worthy of note that in a historical first Fox News Channel (my place of
> employment) beat all 3 Broadcast News divisions in the ratings this week during
> the Republican National Convention. More people watched FNC than on ABC, NBC
> or CBS, and Wednesday night Fox News Channel beat CBS's and ABC's viewerships
> *combined*.
So even more people are misinformed than ever before. Congratulations,
Joe Goebbels would be proud.
Fox News: Wholly without merit.
EggHd
the curious.
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"I know enough to know I don't know enough"
WillStG
>and I bet more people who wanted to find out about bunt cake were
>watching the "food network" than abc,fox,nbc,and cbs combined
I'll take that bet, how about $10,000 cash? You might like to check your
facts first before you start talking trash George. Last week even the MTV
VMA's only got 6.2 million viewers, double the next rated cable show, and no
Food Network program was even in the top 15 Cable programs for the week.
THIS JUST IN! Fox News Channel pulled 7.3 MILLION VIEWERS last night,
handily beating all 3 Broadcast Network News divisions again!
"http://mediabistro.com/tvnewser/
FNC Beats Nets Again: 7.3 Mil At 10pm
"Fox News Channel averaged 7.3 million viewers between 10 and 11pm Thursday,
early ratings data demonstrates. CNN averaged 2.65 million and MSNBC averaged
1.7 million during the hour.
The fast national numbers for the networks show that Fox beat the networks
again last night. This data is not final, but CBS averaged 6.2 million, NBC had
5.6 million, and ABC had 4.7 million. Final #'s will be available later
today...
# 9/3/2004 04:19:08 PM "
EggHd
>watching the "food network" than abc,fox,nbc,and cbs combined
I'll take that bet, how about $10,000 cash? You might like to check your
facts first before you start talking trash George. >>
You must not have read his post carefully.
WillStG
>The bad news is this means the convention was watched more by the faithful
then the curious.>
Can you support the notion that fewer people watched the RNC this year
than 4 years ago. Can you point to a different Demographic and what it means?
Although I admit a whole section of the convention was taunting the CNN people,
chanting "Watch Fox, Watch Fox" during their interviews on the floor. But
people voting with their feet is traditional in a Democracy, is it not?
My main point, I think the Network programming execs screwed up Big Time.
When members of both political parties have been calling this election "the
most important election in our lifetime", the decision by Network programmers
that the public was not interested, and that the events were not "news" and so
were unworthy of extended coverage was a big failure IMHO. They failed to
understand the public's interest, they failed to perform their traditional
over-the-air Broadcast public interest responsibilities, they failed to provide
programming free enough from snide remarks and condescention that a large
demographic of viewers would not seek alternatives.
During the President's speech last night I was at home watching and the 60
cycle hum we had on the line was driving me crazy. And yet we had a record
number of viewers. Sometimes it really *is* the song, and not how slick the
recording is.
David Morgan (MAMS)
"WillStG" <wil...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message ...
Political posts have been virtually non-existant in your absence.
How could one expect anything other than the official "mouth"
of the Republican party (the network which managed to achieve
the legal right to lie to the public) would have the most viewers
for this national Republican event?
Thanks for the few quiet days of reading...
DM
reddred
"WillStG" <wil...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
Strangely enough, they beat all other networks in the amount of pure BS they
were spreading as well. That is why the lion's share of folks in this
country who were given false information and held pure BS to be verified
fact (after all, why would a news station lie?) got their false information
from Fox News.
jb
reddred
http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf
jb
"WillStG" <wil...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20040903160923...@mb-m17.aol.com...
WillStG
>You must not have read his post carefully.
No Egghead, I'm waiting for George to take my wager. Because as you
should know full well, on their worst night any of the Big 3 Broadcast Nets
beats the crap out of the "Food Network" in the ratings, let alone all 3
combined. "The Food Network" averaged 500,000 viewers in the last quarter -
last night the lowest rated Net covering the RNC, which was CBS, had 6.2
million. George's trash talk notwithstanding, the 3 Nets combined kicked the
ass for "Bund Cake recipes" at least 15 to 1. And Fox News Channel beat them
all.
Ok we're not *so* great honestly, it's our viewers are extrelmely loyal
(though only 52% consider themselves "Conservative"), and maybe we will all end
with a "Napolean complex" like some of our collegues are suggesting. But there
is some poetic justice when an economy car leaves a luxury car like a Beamer or
Mercedes in the dust. At least, to the liberal in me there is... <g>
WillStG
>
>Political posts have been virtually non-existant in your absence.
>
>How could one expect anything other than the official "mouth"
>of the Republican party (the network which managed to achieve
>the legal right to lie to the public) would have the most viewers
>for this national Republican event?
>
>Thanks for the few quiet days of reading...
This thread is intended as news for the members of this group who are
*avoiding* the political threads David. But it is your friends on the left -
and you - who are making this into a political thread. Broadcast ratings are as
on topic in this newsgroup as the BIllboard charts are. Broadcast audio
engineers are as much part of the target group for this newsgroup as recordists
and manufacturer reps are.
The paradigm is shifting in the media, in the news business. This is
something worthy of note, and I would be remiss to let it go by unmentioned.
There are many dimensions IMO as to the meaning of Cable television superceding
Broadcast television worthy of consideration. To only see the meaning as being
political in nature is extremely narrow minded in my view.
I think the changes taking place affecting my segment of the audio
business has much in common with the Democratization of the recording business
that has affected all the studio owners and idependents recordists here.
For good or ill, it is "reality TV" David.
Pete Dimsman
WillStG wrote:
>>eg...@aol.com (EggHd)
>
>
>>You must not have read his post carefully.
>
>
> No Egghead, I'm waiting for George to take my wager. Because as you
> should know full well, on their worst night any of the Big 3 Broadcast Nets
> beats the crap out of the "Food Network" in the ratings, let alone all 3
I guess you missed "and I bet more people who wanted to find out about
bunt cake were watching the "food network" than abc,fox,nbc,and cbs
combined"
??
Dumbass!!!
Bob Cain
WillStG wrote:
> As on-topic to this group as who is on the Billboard Charts, it is
> worthy of note that in a historical first Fox News Channel (my place of
> employment) beat all 3 Broadcast News divisions in the ratings this week during
> the Republican National Convention.
What on earth do you think that means other than that a lot
of republicans are entertained by their propeganda arm?
Goebles was quite successful too.
The signifigance you attach to things calls into serious
question any capability you might have at all for critical
thinking.
Why did you fail to flag this topic as [OT] to assist those
who want to automatically filter out such content?
Bob
--
"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."
A. Einstein
Arny Krueger
news:20040903160923...@mb-m17.aol.com
> As on-topic to this group as who is on the Billboard Charts, it
> is worthy of note that in a historical first Fox News Channel (my
> place of employment) beat all 3 Broadcast News divisions in the
> ratings this week during the Republican National Convention. More
> people watched FNC than on ABC, NBC or CBS, and Wednesday night Fox
> News Channel beat CBS's and ABC's viewerships *combined*. 8 years
> ago ABC News was laughing at Fox's new upstart cable News outfit.
> They are not laughing anymore. And even by combining their ratings
> for MSNBC and the Parent NBC network, NBC was beaten by Foxc News
> Channel.
Serves 'em right!
U.S. Network news has IMO long been a parody of reality. If you've ever been
on the inside of a real news story, you know that the network news reporting
of it is a travesty.
All that Fox did is add one layer of indirection, and produce a travesty
form of network news based on the travesty of of real news that network news
had long become.
Don Cooper
Pete Dimsman wrote:
> I guess you missed "and I bet more people who wanted to find out about
> bunt cake were watching the "food network" than abc,fox,nbc,and cbs
> combined"
>
> ??
>
> Dumbass!!!
Like I've said before, this man might be interesting after he's not
employed here any more. And after the deprogramming, which would
probably take a couple of years.
His job is all he's got. Like they care.
Don Cooper
reddred wrote:
> Strangely enough, they beat all other networks in the amount of pure BS they
> were spreading as well.
Maybe a few of those people wanted to see Bono.
They probably thought Sonny came back to life.
Don Cooper
Bob Cain wrote:
> Why did you fail to flag this topic as [OT] to assist those
> who want to automatically filter out such content?
I still don't get the connection to the Billboard charts. Many of us
work on music.
Mondoslug1
> As on-topic to this group as who is on the Billboard Charts, it is
>worthy of note that in a historical first Fox News Channel (my place of
>employment) beat all 3 Broadcast News divisions in the ratings this week.
More people watched FNC than on ABC, NBC
>or CBS, and Wednesday night Fox News Channel beat CBS's and ABC's viewerships
>*combined*.
What was on...Simpsons' reruns?
EggHd
should know full well, on their worst night any of the Big 3 Broadcast Nets
beats the crap out of the "Food Network" in the ratings, let alone all 3
combined. >>
You still missed it. The post was pretty funny.
WillStG
<< I still don't get the connection to the Billboard charts. Many of us
work on music.
>>
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George
eg...@aol.com (EggHd) wrote:
> << No Egghead, I'm waiting for George to take my wager. Because as you
> should know full well, on their worst night any of the Big 3 Broadcast Nets
> beats the crap out of the "Food Network" in the ratings, let alone all 3
> combined. >>
>
not during Bunt Cake week!!!(amoung those who specificaly are watching
tv to find out about bunt cakes)
george
Geoff Wood
> As on-topic to this group as who is on the Billboard Charts,
> it is worthy of note that in a historical first Fox News Channel (my
> place of employment) beat all 3 Broadcast News divisions in the
> ratings this week during the Republican National Convention.
That's really sad.
geoff
Don Cooper
George wrote:
> not during Bunt Cake week!!!(amoung those who specificaly are watching
> tv to find out about bunt cakes)
Just wait till that "Iron Chef" comes on.
agent86
> As on-topic to this group as who is on the Billboard Charts, it is
> worthy of note that in a historical first Fox News Channel (my place of
> employment) beat all 3 Broadcast News divisions in the ratings this week
> during
> the Republican National Convention. More people watched FNC than on ABC,
> NBC or CBS, and Wednesday night Fox News Channel beat CBS's and ABC's
> viewerships
> *combined*. 8 years ago ABC News was laughing at Fox's new upstart cable
> News
> outfit. They are not laughing anymore. And even by combining their
> ratings
> for MSNBC and the Parent NBC network, NBC was beaten by Foxc News
> Channel.
Considering that Faux is the favorite network of the type of people who
would be expected to be most interested in watching a right wing
cheerleading rally, this should surprise no one.
Richard Crowley
>
> Fox News was the winner in the TV ratings battle during the
> Republican National Convention.
>
> On Wednesday, for the second straight night, Fox beat out not
> only its cable rivals but also broadcast networks.
>
> In the 10 p.m. hour Wednesday, when all the networks were
> airing convention coverage, Fox averaged a whopping 5.9
> million viewers. NBC had 4.5 million, ABC claimed 3.3
> million and CBS got 2.6 million.
>
> In another upset, MSNBC, usually the third-rated cable news
> network, was beating CNN. CNN averaged 1.202 million
> viewers on Wednesday between 10 p.m. and 11 p.m., compared
> to MSNBC's 1.214 million. It was the second straight night
> that MSNBC beat CNN.
Apparently only the people in this newsgroup believe that CNN is
anything other than a self-proclamed, full-blown leftist propaganda
outlet. The numbers clearly indicate where people go who are
interested in media that are not openly hostile to Republicans.
George
"Richard Crowley" <rcro...@xprt.net> wrote:
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.
you mean where wannabe facists go to get thier fix
George
EganMedia
>employment) beat all 3 Broadcast News divisions in the ratings this week
>the Republican National Convention.
So the official network of the Republican Party attracted more Republicans than
other networks during the Republican Convention. Wear that one with pride,
Will.
Did you know that alcoholics drink more Budweiser than all flavors of Nestle
Quick combined?
Joe Egan
EMP
Colchester, VT
www.eganmedia.com
Greg
agent86 <maxwel...@control.gov> wrote:
> WillStG wrote:
>
> > As on-topic to this group as who is on the Billboard Charts, it is
> > worthy of note that in a historical first Fox News Channel (my place of
> > employment)
God what a low-life. Why are so many people so devoid of conscience
these days?
Greg
Greg
I agree it's very weird someone would think that was meaningful as a
plus for Faux News.
Greg
Greg
> > The Atlanta Journal-Constitution wrote...
> >
> > Fox News was the winner in the TV ratings battle during the
> > Republican National Convention.
> >
> > On Wednesday, for the second straight night, Fox beat out not
> > only its cable rivals but also broadcast networks.
> >
> > In the 10 p.m. hour Wednesday, when all the networks were
> > airing convention coverage, Fox averaged a whopping 5.9
> > million viewers. NBC had 4.5 million, ABC claimed 3.3
> > million and CBS got 2.6 million.
> >
> > In another upset, MSNBC, usually the third-rated cable news
> > network, was beating CNN. CNN averaged 1.202 million
> > viewers on Wednesday between 10 p.m. and 11 p.m., compared
> > to MSNBC's 1.214 million. It was the second straight night
> > that MSNBC beat CNN.
>
> Apparently only the people in this newsgroup believe that CNN is
> anything other than a self-proclamed, full-blown leftist propaganda
> outlet.
If CNN is a "self-proclamed, full-blown leftist propaganda
outlet," then how would you characterize Air America Radio?
>The numbers clearly indicate where people go who are
>interested in media that are not openly hostile to Republicans.
Too bad they can't go to a another planet to wage their sicko wars and
wreak havoc on that environment and economy. Planet Republican--has a
nice ring to it.
Greg
Greg
wil...@aol.comnospam (WillStG) wrote:
Sheez, you definitely belong with Fox News.
Greg
Greg
eg...@aol.com (EggHd) wrote:
> << and I bet more people who wanted to find out about bunt cake were
> >watching the "food network" than abc,fox,nbc,and cbs combined
>
> I'll take that bet, how about $10,000 cash? You might like to check your
> facts first before you start talking trash George. >>
>
> You must not have read his post carefully.
You must not be familiar with the Fox News M.O. I.e., reading the post
wouldn't have made any difference.
Greg