SSM2017P MIC Pre Replacement
Greg Friedman
It is an 'instrumentation amplifier' topology but very low noise. The
pin compatible replacements I have found all seem to have ~10x the noise
of the 2017. No -128dB EINs for those!
The factory says there will not be another production run of the part.
This will pose a problem for those mixer/MIC preamp manufacturers and
servicers.
So if anyone has dealt with this issue, please respond
Scott Dorsey
>Has anyone found a suitable replacement for the discontinued SSM2017?
>
>It is an 'instrumentation amplifier' topology but very low noise. The
>pin compatible replacements I have found all seem to have ~10x the noise
>of the 2017. No -128dB EINs for those!
>
>The factory says there will not be another production run of the part.
>This will pose a problem for those mixer/MIC preamp manufacturers and
>servicers.
HUH?
I thought the SSM2017 _was_ the recommended replacement part now that
the SSM2016 and SSM2015 had gone away. Don't tell me that it's going
away too now?
--scott
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Mark McQuilken
>
> Has anyone found a suitable replacement for the discontinued SSM2017?
>
> It is an 'instrumentation amplifier' topology but very low noise. The
> pin compatible replacements I have found all seem to have ~10x the noise
> of the 2017. No -128dB EINs for those!
>
> The factory says there will not be another production run of the part.
> This will pose a problem for those mixer/MIC preamp manufacturers and
> servicers.
>
Greg:
AFAIK, the SSM2017 is alive and well...although the leadtimes may be
long.
McQ
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>AFAIK, the SSM2017 is alive and well...although the leadtimes may be
>long.
>
>McQ
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>Mark McQuilken
>FMR Audio
well I'm sure you'd know, or else your heart is pounding faster than an
armadillo crossing the street chased by Fletcher with a baseball bat.
Will it have DI's, and when can I get one?
cheer,
michael ortega
Gantt Mann Kushner
discontinued as far as I know (bummer - I have an old Scorpion...) and
neither the SSM2016 nor the SSM2017 are pin-for-pim replacements. I've
been praying for an upgrade path for my 2015s for years to no avail. Any
ideas out there?
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, Maryland
>
> I thought the SSM2017 _was_ the recommended replacement part now that
> the SSM2016 and SSM2015 had gone away. Don't tell me that it's going
> away too now?
> --scott
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Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, Maryland
villem teder
wrote:
>Has anyone found a suitable replacement for the discontinued SSM2017?
>
>It is an 'instrumentation amplifier' topology but very low noise. The
>pin compatible replacements I have found all seem to have ~10x the noise
>of the 2017. No -128dB EINs for those!
>
>The factory says there will not be another production run of the part.
>This will pose a problem for those mixer/MIC preamp manufacturers and
>servicers.
>
>So if anyone has dealt with this issue, please respond
>
I wasn't aware that anybody made pin-compatible replacements, but then
again I haven't looked in a long while.
I recall seeing recently an ad from Burr-Brown about a series of
audio-oriented specialty chips, one of them being a low noise mic
pre-amp of the "2017" variety. Don't know if it's pin-compatible, but
you should be able to find info on their web site.
Villem Teder
Toronto
Monte P McGuire
villem teder <vte...@interlog.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:28:44 -0600, Greg Friedman <Gr...@ezlink.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Has anyone found a suitable replacement for the discontinued SSM2017?
>
>audio-oriented specialty chips, one of them being a low noise mic
>pre-amp of the "2017" variety. Don't know if it's pin-compatible, but
>you should be able to find info on their web site.
The INA103 is the device you're talking about. It actually sounds
better than the SSM2017 but it's a 16 pin IC, so it isn't pin
compatible. IMHO, the world would be a better place if there were an
INA103 everywhere there's an SSM2017... but I can understand the
annoyance that this will undoubtedly cause manufacturers that use the
2017!
Regards,
Monte McGuire
mcg...@world.std.com
Scott Dorsey
>The SSM2015 was the mic/line amp for the old TAC Scorpion. It's
>discontinued as far as I know (bummer - I have an old Scorpion...) and
>neither the SSM2016 nor the SSM2017 are pin-for-pim replacements. I've
>been praying for an upgrade path for my 2015s for years to no avail. Any
>ideas out there?
A hand-wired daughter board with an INA103 on it. Perfboard and DIP
headers are your friends.
Mike Rivers
> well I'm sure you'd know, or else your heart is pounding faster than an
> armadillo crossing the street chased by Fletcher with a baseball bat.
> Will it have DI's, and when can I get one?
The armadillo, or the baseball bat? We know Fletcher doesn't like to
use DIs except for a little touch-up here and there.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mri...@d-and-d.com)
Mark Plancke
>Gantt Mann Kushner <gi...@his.com> wrote:
>>The SSM2015 was the mic/line amp for the old TAC Scorpion. It's
>>discontinued as far as I know (bummer - I have an old Scorpion...) and
>>neither the SSM2016 nor the SSM2017 are pin-for-pim replacements. I've
>>been praying for an upgrade path for my 2015s for years to no avail. Any
>>ideas out there?
>
>A hand-wired daughter board with an INA103 on it. Perfboard and DIP
>headers are your friends.
>--scott
Don't forget the poor cousin to the perfboard... the dead bug.
Mark Plancke
SOUNDTECH RECORDING STUDIOS
Windsor, Ontario, Canada
http://SoundTechRecording.com
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of failure is to try to please everybody. --Bill Cosby
Scott Dorsey
Mark Plancke <NewsG...@SoundtechRecording.com> wrote:
>klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>
>>Gantt Mann Kushner <gi...@his.com> wrote:
>>>The SSM2015 was the mic/line amp for the old TAC Scorpion. It's
>>>discontinued as far as I know (bummer - I have an old Scorpion...) and
>>>neither the SSM2016 nor the SSM2017 are pin-for-pim replacements. I've
>>>been praying for an upgrade path for my 2015s for years to no avail. Any
>>>ideas out there?
>>
>>A hand-wired daughter board with an INA103 on it. Perfboard and DIP
>>headers are your friends.
>
I think I first encountered dead bug techniques in some 1970's Popular
Electronics article in which they cut all the pins off of the TTL chips and
glued them all together in a tall stack before tack-soldering hookup wire
between the contacts. It definitely left a bad taste in my mouth and kept
me away from the method for a long time.
That said, I recently saw a piece of avionics gear that had a dead bug
ECO on the board, from the factory. I was a little taken aback but I guess
it meets specs.
Monte P McGuire
Scott Dorsey <klu...@panix.com> wrote:
>Gantt Mann Kushner <gi...@his.com> wrote:
>>The SSM2015 was the mic/line amp for the old TAC Scorpion. It's
>>discontinued as far as I know (bummer - I have an old Scorpion...) and
>>neither the SSM2016 nor the SSM2017 are pin-for-pim replacements. I've
>>been praying for an upgrade path for my 2015s for years to no avail. Any
>>ideas out there?
>
>A hand-wired daughter board with an INA103 on it. Perfboard and DIP
>headers are your friends.
The INA103 is also available in a small outline (surface mount)
package, and if you have some PCB software, a layout using the SO16
part might make a better retrofit board to mount on a DIP header. I
tried to hand wire a 103 into an SSM2017 circuit and it was a real
pain in the rear. A good PCB makes it a lot more reliable too.
As far as the upgrade aspects of the 103, the 2015 is a really good
sounding chip. The 103 will be different, but not really all that
much better or worse. I would not feel the need to change out all the
channels unless the 103 really does sound a lot better and off the
cuff, I'm not sure that's the case.
Best of luck,
Monte McGuire
mcg...@world.std.com
Ken Nelson
Monte P McGuire wrote:
> IMHO, the world would be a better place if there were an
> INA103 everywhere there's an SSM2017...
To help achieve that noble aim, would you or someone else kindly post a
schematic for a "drop-in" 2017-replacement circuit using a INA103?
Thanks,
ken
Mark Plancke
>That said, I recently saw a piece of avionics gear that had a dead bug
>ECO on the board, from the factory. I was a little taken aback but I guess
>it meets specs.
>--scott
Even my Langevin AM-16's have some dead bug transistors in there...
Not sure why they did it but they made it look neat and cool at the
same time.
Mark
vescovi
>
> In article <39a340c8...@news.psi.ca>,
> villem teder <vte...@interlog.com> wrote:
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Has anyone found a suitable replacement for the discontinued SSM2017?
> >
> >audio-oriented specialty chips, one of them being a low noise mic
> >pre-amp of the "2017" variety. Don't know if it's pin-compatible, but
> >you should be able to find info on their web site.
>
> better than the SSM2017 but it's a 16 pin IC, so it isn't pin
> compatible. IMHO, the world would be a better place if there were an
> INA103 everywhere there's an SSM2017... but I can understand the
> annoyance that this will undoubtedly cause manufacturers that use the
> 2017!
>
BB will soon release a new audio instrumentation amp, the INA163. The
preliminary specs are similar to the specs of the INA103 (higher maximun
gain, slightly better THD+N, slightly higher offset and power supply
limited to +-18V insteed of 24V), the price is annouced to half the
price of an INA103. So wait and see how it sound but I suspect we will
see an INA163 everywhere there was an SSM2017 in a couple of years.
Christophe
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Techmeister
would need to redesign it first!
Time for a new board.
db
In article <gizmo-22080...@pm2a-110.his.com>, gi...@his.com
(Gantt Mann Kushner) wrote:
> The SSM2015 was the mic/line amp for the old TAC Scorpion. It's
> discontinued as far as I know (bummer - I have an old Scorpion...) and
> neither the SSM2016 nor the SSM2017 are pin-for-pim replacements. I've
> been praying for an upgrade path for my 2015s for years to no avail. Any
> ideas out there?
>
> Gantt Kushner
> Gizmo Recording Company
> Silver Spring, Maryland
> >
> > I thought the SSM2017 _was_ the recommended replacement part now that
> > the SSM2016 and SSM2015 had gone away. Don't tell me that it's going
> > away too now?
> > --scott
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