Nuemann TLM-193 vs. U87
Jeff Olsen
I'm going to be getting a big Nuemann in the near future.... The copy
I've seen seems to imply that the TLM193 is basically a single pattern
U87. Anybody know if this is so? Any of you used both? Or the TLM 193?
I have a pretty nice multi-pattern mic (AT 4050) and the additional
flexibility is certainly appreciated. However, for and extra 1200
dollars (for the U87) it's probably not worth it to me unless the 193 is
an inferior product in other ways.
Any thoughts?
-jeff
David L. Rick
In article <5nph4p$1...@garcia.efn.org>, je...@efn.org says...
>
>
>I'm going to be getting a big Nuemann in the near future.... The copy
>I've seen seems to imply that the TLM193 is basically a single pattern
>U87. Anybody know if this is so?
Not true, though the ads do seem to imply that. The TLM-193 is basically
a single-pattern U89, a later design with a more linear frequency response.
It is a very nice mic, but it doesn't sound like a U87 -- it's missing
the high-frequency bump. When people find this out, they sometimes sell
their nearly-new TLM-193s at very attractive prices. I've purchased two
this way.
>I have a pretty nice multi-pattern mic (AT 4050) and the additional
>flexibility is certainly appreciated. However, for and extra 1200
>dollars (for the U87) it's probably not worth it to me unless the 193 is
>an inferior product in other ways.
In vocal shootouts betweeen a TLM-193, an (older) AKG 414 and an AT 4050,
my male clients always ranked the 4050 third. A few of the women liked
it, but I found I could get a similar sound with an AKG C460. So I sold
the 4050 to a reed player who liked the way it sounded on his saxaphones.
I occasionally wish my TLM-193s had switchable patterns, but the tradeoff
is that they are 5 dB quieter than U89s. The AT 4050 didn't have a
hypercardioid pattern, which I found that I missed. And I do occasionally
long for that stereotypical pop vocal sound that one gets from a U87.
Ideally, we'd all have two of everything...
David L. Rick
Seventh String Recording
dr...@hach.com
John Moran
> I'm going to be getting a big Nuemann in the near future.... The copy
> I've seen seems to imply that the TLM193 is basically a single pattern
> U87. Anybody know if this is so? Any of you used both? Or the TLM 193?
> Any thoughts?
>
> -jeff
The U87Ai is a U87Ai, period. The TLM193 uses the same capsule as the TLM
170 and U89, and the fet100 circuit of the TLM170/KM140 series. the U87
capsule and the electronics are different from that found in the 193.
http://www.neumannusa.com/ or (800)FINEMIC for more info.
regards
jm
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In article <5nph4p$1...@garcia.efn.org>,
je...@efn.org (Jeff Olsen) wrote:
>
>
> I'm going to be getting a big Nuemann in the near future.... The copy
> I've seen seems to imply that the TLM193 is basically a single pattern
> U87. Anybody know if this is so? Any of you used both? Or the TLM 193?
>
> flexibility is certainly appreciated. However, for and extra 1200
> dollars (for the U87) it's probably not worth it to me unless the 193 is
> an inferior product in other ways.
>
>
> -jeff
personally i do not like tlm 193 i find it to be very sterile
sounding and and a bit harsh. the money is well worth the u87 .
the u87 i find not only to be more pleasing but much more
versitile, also you can find a used u87 for between 1600-1900 that
is in ex condition .
the one thing i can say is never cheap out on your microphone and
mic pre they are your best investment and the most important link
in the recording chain besides the music itself
good luck
jim pasch
outlaw productions
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ScotFraser
In article <5nph4p$1...@garcia.efn.org>, je...@efn.org wrote:
>I'm going to be getting a big Nuemann in the near future.... The copy
>I've seen seems to imply that the TLM193 is basically a single pattern
>U87. Anybody know if this is so? Any of you used both? Or the TLM 193?
The TLM193 uses the electronics from the TLM170, which are newer, quieter
& faster than the 87. The cage around the capsule is more the size of a
U89 than a U87. My sense of the sound is that the TLM193 is darker, a bit
less peaky, is probably a bit less colored, but doesn't flatter certain
vocalists as much as the U87 does.
Scott Fraser
Mswindel
Subject: Re: Nuemann TLM-193 vs. U87
From: digisrvs@_nospam_riter.computize.com (John Moran)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:58:21 -0500
Message-ID: <digisrvs-130...@hst1-7.domi.net>
In article <5nph4p$1...@garcia.efn.org>, je...@efn.org (Jeff Olsen) wrote:
> I'm going to be getting a big Nuemann in the near future.... The copy
> I've seen seems to imply that the TLM193 is basically a single pattern
> U87. Anybody know if this is so? Any of you used both? Or the TLM
193?
<<The U87Ai is a U87Ai, period. The TLM193 uses the same capsule as the
TLM
170 and U89, and the fet100 circuit of the TLM170/KM140 series. the U87
capsule and the electronics are different from that found in the 193.
http://www.neumannusa.com/ or (800)FINEMIC for more info.
regards
jm>>
Is the TLM-193 then more comparable in sound to the U89? Does the
different fet circuitry greatly change the characteristic of the sound?
Thanks,
Mark
Jens Bager
The TLM 193 is the same size as an U 89, but it only has fixed cardiod
pattern. Otherwise it is superior in performance to both U 87 and U 89.
The noise floor is down at 12 dB, barely hearable--.
Jens Bager
In article <5nph4p$1...@garcia.efn.org>, je...@efn.org (Jeff Olsen) wrote:
> I'm going to be getting a big Nuemann in the near future.... The copy
> I've seen seems to imply that the TLM193 is basically a single pattern
> U87. Anybody know if this is so? Any of you used both? Or the TLM 193?
>
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> -jeff
Rob Reedijk
Jens Bager (je...@coco.ihi.ku.dk) wrote:
: The TLM 193 is the same size as an U 89, but it only has fixed cardiod
I don't so. The 193 is smaller (I assume you mean body size and not
diaphragm size). Otherwise I could have bought a TLM 193 shock mount to
fit my '89 which sells for considerably less than the shock mount for the
'89.
Rob
John Moran
In article <19970614170...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
mswi...@aol.com (Mswindel) wrote:
> Is the TLM-193 then more comparable in sound to the U89?
Yep.
>Does the
> different fet circuitry greatly change the characteristic of the sound?
Mmmmm, not greatly, as in not as much as the capsule change, but yes,
again. It's a different circuit, fet 100 vs fet 80, of course it will
sound a bit different.
regards,