Open letter to Erik Gavriluk from Bomb Factory
Jay Kahrs
could probably use an overhaul for more inputs and outputs. I have a studio for
hire and the corner stone is a 2" 24-track. One of the things I've been
considering spending some hard earned cash on is a complete swap to a MAC,
partly because of compatibility issues (some of my clients and potential
clients use DP) and partly because of all the cool plug-ins that I'd consider
buying and using, like the Bomb Factory stuff. I've had several people come
into my studio with Alishad rigs and I have heard your products. I also get
people asking me all the time which plug-ins are cool and in the past I've
recommended Bomb Factory because I liked what I've heard on other sessions
where I'm not in the hot seat.
But, after reading all the shit from the last month, much of it in the last
week or so I have to say that I'll never buy or recommend your products and I
hope you get some mental help. You sir, are a first class fuck-head. Some
rappers will remember DB as being a sick boy who admitted to not always taking
his meds. At least he was entertaining once in a while (thanks Steve) while you
just come off like a prick.
Where do you come off posting two year old private emails? If you are going to
make a low-ball move like that you could at least copy the whole message and
quote yourself too. That's the usenet equivalent of kicking someone in the back
of the head. And then you quote Kevin and his problems in months old email? Not
cool. Makes you look like a sick fuck. How many other people save email for two
or three years? After all that I get to see the original exchange between you
Brian. How could you be dumb enough to insult someone like that? Not Brian
specifically, but the comment about having chops and getting a 001 to do it the
"real way". You just trashed about 85 to 90% of the people that buy and use
audio gear. Let's read into that comment a little more. In a nutshell you said
that anyone who isn't using Alishad (aka Pro Tools) in a major market is a
wannabe. What about the hundreds or thousands of studios outside of major
markets? What about all those studios that use something other then Alishad?
Lot's of people still use tape (myself included) and PC's. You know what
chucklehead? For every pro studio that's in business there are probably about
20 home studios with a 001 and those people ask us whats cool.
You keep picking on Brain, why is that? You said he isn't a potential customer.
Hey fuckwad, everyone single person who is involved in music production is a
potential customer. How is that? What if he (or someone else) decides to jump
ship from Paris (which could happen) and goes to a Mac setup? What if I do
that? What if 1,000 people do that? To say that people who use PC's for
production are hacks and wannabes isn't right and shows some serious
shortsightedness on your part. Would you call Chuck Ainly or any of the guys
using Nuendo wannbes? Guess again... If you don't want to support PC's for some
other reason that's cool, but to call those users either directly or indirectly
wannabe's isn't very fucking cool.
You left one other group out of people in the thread and on RAP. See, I fall
into a fourth group. People who don't give a shit about the DAW-Mac thing,
don't give a flying fuck about VST not being supported, don't care if BF or UA
sounds better then the other one, but think that you have all the personality
and intelligence of a piece of burlap. I also know that if I feel this way,
there are plenty of others out there who will agree. While Fletcher and some
other dealers might be in this to make a buck and can deal with you being a
total asshole, I can't separate my wallet from my feelings and the people from
the product. Also, for what it's worth all my dealings (which have been few)
with UA have been positive.
I sincerely hope you get some mental help.
---
-Jay Kahrs
Owner - Engineer - Producer
Mad Moose Recording Inc.
East Rutherford, NJ
http://www.madmooserecording.com
JWelsh3374
away from the light!
guido
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"don't bore us...get to the chorus"
hank alrich
> But, after reading all the shit from the last month, much of it in the
> last week or so I have to say that I'll never buy or recommend your
> products and I hope you get some mental help. You sir, are a first class
> fuck-head. Some rappers will remember DB as being a sick boy who admitted
> to not always taking his meds. At least he was entertaining once in a
> while (thanks Steve) while you just come off like a prick.
Airprick clearly showed his colors some time ago in DAW-Mac. He also
showed that one can be an outrightly dumbshit in some arenas while
heading-up a software company with good products. Nonetheless, for the
same reasons I operate a Microsoft-free Zone, I will be able to live
niceldy wthout Dipster G.'s products.
--
hank alrich * secret__mountain
audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
"If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"
Dean Richard
I would not have used exactly the same language, but I certainly agree
with the sentiments expressed in your message. I won't be buying any
BF products in the future.
Dean
brown...@aol.com (Jay Kahrs) wrote in message news:<20020219022903...@mb-ms.aol.com>...
Dave
fortunate enough, to witness Erik's antics at Daw-Mac, the Digi user
conference, Motu-Mac, here, and now I notice he's cropped up in
another place I lurk.
I know I'm just adding to the noise ratio here, but I've kept my mouth
shut enough now I have to wonder aloud. Doesn't he see the same
pattern I do?
Someone had a problem, he accuses them of being a pirate, then he
publicly posts some year or two old edited email from his apparently
extensive archives, to "prove his point" and chaos breaks out, the
noise ration goes way up and essentially becomes unreadable (I'm
thinking specifically of Daw-Mac) until he eventually, in a huff, goes
away.
I'm no big gun, but on the side, I help people set up Mac DAWs; one or
two a year, nothing major. Mostly DP and 001 systems. Everyone always
wants to know what the best plugins are and I always steer them away
from BF plugs. I give them my personal reasons and then explain to
them that I think there are better values out there. Waves, McDSP,
etc. BF plugs do one thing and one thing only the others do many
things and aren't as big of a processor hog (not to mention I've
recently been coming to the conclusion that hardware doesn't take any
processor time and is always compatible with your DAW, but that's
another story).
Shutting down DAW-Mac was bad, really pissed me off and at that time I
swore off ever buying a BF plugin. But I can't understand why Erik
keeps doing the same old thing. For everyone person that's pissed off
enough to post, there are countless more lurking equally as pissed off
that don't see any reason to add to the noise ratio. I'd personally
think such a niche market as he is in, he'd want to spread good will
where ever he goes. I don't see any other plugin companies getting
into these messes and I'll tell you, if I ran a plugin company, and I
had an employee like Erik (and yeah I know it's his company) shooting
his mouth off like that, he would have been run out of the office as
fast as I could kick his ass out.
Ah, it feels good to vent.
-Dave
Geoff Wood
good and warm and fuzzy and is flexible wrt technical and business aspects
of his busness. And others too , I guess, that I don;t know about.
geoff
"Dave" <da...@sammyshakes.com> wrote in message
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hank alrich
hank alrich
> I'd personally
> think such a niche market as he is in, he'd want to spread good will
> where ever he goes.
There is no plug-in for this; it either runs natively in realtime on
"hardware" or it doesn't exist.
hank alrich
<snipitty doo dah>
> I have to say that I'll never buy or recommend your products and I
> hope you get some mental help.
Jay,
Peoples gotta have "mental" before they can get "help".
I know this because my first ex-wife works all day long with folks who
have "mental".
Geoff Wood
worry about disturbing the neighbours - they already are disturbed !
(No offence intended to people with mental health problems)
geoff
"hank alrich" <walk...@thegrid.net> wrote in message
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Lorin David Schultz
hank alrich wrote:
>
> I resemble that remnark, just ask my wife.
Those damn pimples again?
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- Lorin David Schultz
in the audio booth
making even bad news sound good
Julian Standen
Geoff Wood wrote:
After a series of wild nightmares my girlfriend made me go to the doctor.
He concluded that the person that was disturbed, was my GIRLFRIEND!
ahahaha heheheh
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f-erenc szabo
>Shutting down DAW-Mac was bad, really pissed me off
>and at that time I swore off ever buying a BF plugin.
Wrong. DAW-MAC was never shut down. Rather, it was the
former admin who decided to temporarily shut down the
archives of older DAW-MAC posts rather than simply deleting
those 10 or so posts that referred to where to get pirated
plugins. In fact, that former admin even had a rule which
explicitly stated that those who post information about how
to get pirated plugins will be banned (he never did that) and
that the posts will be deleted (he never did that initially).
In other words, he acted like a little whiny kid. Like when the
parent tells the kid to "Go clean your room" and the kid takes
a fit and wrecks everything in his room.
f-erenc szabo, smarty pants
Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T
"NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!"
Dave
> da...@sammyshakes.com writes:
> >Shutting down DAW-Mac was bad, really pissed me off
> >and at that time I swore off ever buying a BF plugin.
>
> Wrong. DAW-MAC was never shut down. Rather, it was the
> former admin who decided to temporarily shut down the
> archives of older DAW-MAC posts rather than simply deleting
> those 10 or so posts that referred to where to get pirated
> plugins. In fact, that former admin even had a rule which
> explicitly stated that those who post information about how
> to get pirated plugins will be banned (he never did that) and
> that the posts will be deleted (he never did that initially).
f-erenc,
You are absolutely right. I appologize, I should have re-read my post
but I didn't and should have said the archives, not the whole list.
However, if I remember right, the admin did say that it wasn't the
simplest thing to just delete a few posts. Don't know if that's true
or not, but that's what he said (to the best of my recollection). At
any rate, the DAW-Mac debacle is water under the bridge and the list
survives today. But, the whole thing just left an extremely bad taste
in my mouth regarding Erik's company.
>
> In other words, he acted like a little whiny kid. Like when the
> parent tells the kid to "Go clean your room" and the kid takes
> a fit and wrecks everything in his room.
Well as bad as you think the admin was, I thought Erik was equally bad
if not worse and the fact that I see the same thing time and time
again from him just re-enforces my feelings. At any rate, I've said my
peace on the subject, acknowledged my mistake and now I'm done with
the subject.
-Dave
Fletcher
Dave wrote:
At any rate, I've said my
> peace on the subject, acknowledged my mistake and now I'm done with
> the subject.
>
For real? This was getting remarkably boring...
--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
TEL: 508-543-0069
FAX: 508-543-9670
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"this is not a problem"
Mike
that he would be expected to continually scower the group and rid it
of any possible offending messages at the threat of suit and that this
would be an impossible task. And additionally, if you pander to
deleting messages because someone complains, that may become a
multiplying situation where you have to do it for many people. I
imagine they didn't want to promise they could always do that. My main
gig is as a reference librarian and we have a policy against people
viewing pornography on internet computers and we certainly close out
machines if we see it, and we visually monitor for it, but for the
very afore mentioned reasons we don't specifically apply filters and
stress responsibility of parents where minors are involved. Once you
start to take more aggressive actions based on the input of
users/patrons/complainants you suddenly set a precedence of greater
than reasonable liability for the actions of individuals.
Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com
da...@sammyshakes.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<86bcf9f7.02022...@posting.google.com>...
f-erenc szabo
>I think the problem now that I recall it had to do a lot with the idea
>that he would be expected to continually scower the group and rid it
>of any possible offending messages
No, that's wrong. The admin himself had a zero-tolerance policy
of not being allowed to post information about how to get pirated
software. He had even previously banned some people for doing
it, and had immediately deleted their posting about it.
But in this case he chose not to do it just to spite Bomb Factory
and be a dick about it. Nyah Nyah Nyah. And he even went on a
public smear campaign exaggerating this whole affair, trying
to make Bomb Factory and Erik seem like fascists or something.
All Erik said was "enforce the rule you have already established".
Erik would be the last guy on earth to want "offensive" posts with
strong opinions deleted. All he wanted was to diminish the possibility
of piracy. In fact, it would have been totally acceptable to keep the
posts but just xxxxx out the reference to the website to get the pirated
downloads.
Geez, there's no "slippery slope" from this totally reasonable request
and outright massive censorship like in Saudi Arabia or whatever.
Doc West
Paul B. did many of us a great service by setting up DAW-MAC. He did it
for years. For free.
In the end, he was let down by some of the users, and attacked by an
apparently paranoid entrepeneur. Who could blame him for deciding to opt
out of a situation that would likely require an endlessly escalating
workload of volunteer labor?
When he sought support here, he was attacked.
We already screwed him once. There's no need to villify him now.
Especially if doing so will benefit the amazing Eric G, who seems
hell-bent on personifying the very problems that DAW-MAC was set up to
help solve.
WillStG
<< Erik would be the last guy on earth to want "offensive" posts with strong
opinions deleted. All he wanted was to diminish the possibility of piracy.
>>
F-erenc, I think you have made it pretty clear where you stand.
Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Fox And Friends/Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits
hank alrich
> Erik would be the last guy on earth to want "offensive" posts with
> strong opinions deleted. All he wanted was to diminish the possibility
> of piracy.
And in his inimitable style, he did so in a manner that called heaps of
additional attention to the possiblity of more piracy, and repeated the
posting of the link thereto. It's fine if you want to call the holes in
his feet evidence of marksmanship.
david
f-erenc szabo <zero...@goodmedia.com> wrote:
> it was the
> former admin who decided to temporarily shut down the
> archives of older DAW-MAC posts rather than simply deleting
> those 10 or so posts that referred to where to get pirated
> plugins. In fact, that former admin even had a rule which
> explicitly stated that those who post information about how
> to get pirated plugins will be banned (he never did that) and
> that the posts will be deleted (he never did that initially).
>
> In other words, he acted like a little whiny kid. Like when the
> parent tells the kid to "Go clean your room" and the kid takes
> a fit and wrecks everything in his room.
>
>
>
> f-erenc szabo, smarty pants
> Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T
> "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!"
smarty pants,
Your point of view is one I cannot agree with.
imo Paul B. should be given thanks and a big tip of the cap for
creating daw-mac and then babysitting it for years. Not shit on.
Part of the problem for him, if my memory is remotely correct, was that
it was a Unix thang to mess with the archives and plenty involved for
him. I also think it became the last straw for his fathering of the
list.
I know I'da been plenty pissed too.
Just wanted to raise a glass and stand up for Paul, who's not-for-pay
efforts supported hundreds if not thousands of folks like me deal with
the nit nits of creating and maintaining a happy workstation,
especially back when these things weren't so common. I sure know I
benefited.
David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island
f-erenc szabo
> it was the
> former admin who decided to temporarily shut down the
> archives of older DAW-MAC posts rather than simply deleting
> those 10 or so posts that referred to where to get pirated
> plugins. In fact, that former admin even had a rule which
> explicitly stated that those who post information about how
> to get pirated plugins will be banned (he never did that) and
> that the posts will be deleted (he never did that initially).
>
> In other words, he acted like a little whiny kid. Like when the
> parent tells the kid to "Go clean your room" and the kid takes
> a fit and wrecks everything in his room.
David Correia, ih...@spamo.com writes:
>Your point of view is one I cannot agree with.
>imo Paul B. should be given thanks and a big tip of the cap for
>creating daw-mac and then babysitting it for years. Not shit on.
I never said that the great stuff Paul had done is now
mystically negated by this one debacle he contributed
to. His duties as an admin (other than this incident) were
carried out incredibly well.
David Correia, ih...@spamo.com writes:
>Part of the problem for him, if my memory is remotely correct,
>was that it was a Unix thang to mess with the archives and
>plenty involved for him. I also think it became the last straw
>for his fathering of the list.
No, you're wrong. And not just because those posts were
indeed eventually trashed. Paul had falsely claimed that it
was virtually impossible to delete these posts - even other
members (who knew a thing or two about UNIX) had offered
to help him out, but he initially refused and eventually changed
his tune that it was about principle and getting back at
Bomb Factory for even suggesting that the posts be deleted
in the first place.
If Erik had said any of these things and *not* had his name
attached to a company, at worst somebody might have said
"he's cranky about piracy". But there seems to be a mentality
which places a company above the individual, even though
a company is just a a bunch of individuals. Erik and Bomb
Factory have not actually done anything concrete and tangible
to affect anybody's profession - he just has strong opinions
and tells it straight up. Contrast this with that concerted smear
campaign to exaggerate and lie about what Bomb Factory
supposedly did to make people boycott them. That goes WAY
over the line.
f-erenc szabo, smarty pants
Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T
"The customer is always right, except when they're wrong."
WillStG
<< Erik and Bomb Factory have not actually done anything concrete and tangible
to affect anybody's profession - he just has strong opinions
and tells it straight up. Contrast this with that concerted smear campaign to
exaggerate and lie about what Bomb Factory supposedly did to make people
boycott them. >>
Alright already - you like BF, Erik can do no wrong, fine. But whatever
your reasons for loving and admiring Erik & BF, your comments are pretty much
insulting to the many people here who have expressed not wishing to do business
with a guy who acts like an condescending ass to the public. That has nothing
to do with anyone smearing Erik, it has to do with Erik putting his own foot in
his own shit. And that has nothing to do with lies and exaggeration, it has to
do with people prefering courteous and thoughtful customer service. Capice?
---
reddred
news:fc.000f479401afc27e3b...@goodmedia.com...
> >Shutting down DAW-Mac was bad, really pissed me off
> >and at that time I swore off ever buying a BF plugin.
>
> Wrong. DAW-MAC was never shut down. Rather, it was the
> former admin who decided to temporarily shut down the
> archives of older DAW-MAC posts rather than simply deleting
> those 10 or so posts that referred to where to get pirated
> plugins. In fact, that former admin even had a rule which
> explicitly stated that those who post information about how
> to get pirated plugins will be banned (he never did that) and
> that the posts will be deleted (he never did that initially).
>
> In other words, he acted like a little whiny kid. Like when the
> parent tells the kid to "Go clean your room" and the kid takes
> a fit and wrecks everything in his room.
>
>
what you say here... it is the admin's JOB to do things like that. Period.
Stop whining.
jb
Garth Everett
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Jay , I just gotta' say.
Well SAID.
Your My kind of Guy. :-))
Garth E.
hank alrich
> If Erik had said any of these things and *not* had his name
> attached to a company, at worst somebody might have said
> "he's cranky about piracy".
If Eric hadn't started his "Asshole of the Month" promotional campaign,
he'd be somebody else. He has a peculiar talent for manifesting idiocy
in public.
Look, the guy leaves detritus in his wake, on DAW-Mac, MOTU-Mac, and now
here. At least he's consistent.
If there is a problem with that, it will turn out to be _his_ problem.
f-erenc szabo
>whatever your reasons for loving and admiring Erik & BF, your
>comments are pretty much insulting to the many people here
>who have expressed not wishing to do business with a guy
>who acts like an condescending ass to the public. That has
>nothing to do with anyone smearing Erik, it has to do with Erik
>putting his own foot in his own shit. And that has nothing to
>do with lies and exaggeration, it has to do with people
>prefering courteous and thoughtful customer service. Capice?
You haven't read the entire thread. I'm not talking about
somebody's personal decision to not do business with a
company because they personally don't agree with the
president's opinions. As illogical as this might be, it's
their free will at work here. I'm talking about the smear
campaign started about a year ago by the former admin of
DAW-MAC, exaggerating and lying about what Bomb Factory
actually did so he could rally up people to boycott them.
f-erenc szabo, smarty pants
Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T
WillStG
<< You haven't read the entire thread. >>
Yeah I have - and I'm getting tired of it.
<< I'm not talking about somebody's personal decision to not do business with a
company because they personally don't agree with the president's opinions. As
illogical as this might be, it's their free will at work here. >>
There you go again. Plenty of people here have expressed reasons not
wanting to do business with Erik & BF, but the former head of DAW-MAC is not
one of them. Now you're backing off on your previous expression of disdain
somewhat by merely calling their position "illogical".
Have I ever bought any "Zerobeat" sample CD's?
Hmmm. There's a lot of product out there.
david
f-erenc szabo <zero...@goodmedia.com> wrote:
> If Erik had said any of these things and *not* had his name
> attached to a company, at worst somebody might have said
> "he's cranky about piracy".
Naa. On dawmac most people would have said what most people here are
saying. That is except for you and one other guy.
> Erik and Bomb
> Factory have not actually done anything concrete and tangible
> to affect anybody's profession - he just has strong opinions
> and tells it straight up.
You find him a truth teller. Most posters here see something quite
different.
> Contrast this with that concerted smear
> campaign to exaggerate and lie about what Bomb Factory
> supposedly did to make people boycott them. That goes WAY
> over the line.
I think Paul B. was free to act on what felt was the right thing to do,
as did BF's in their aggressive legal threats towards Paul and the
list.
I guess 'WAY over the line' can depend on what side of the line you're
standing on.
Nil
rec.audio.pro:
> I'm a little late to the party, but I was just booted out of my
> romantic and professional relationship with Erik Gavriluk. A
> friend sent me a link to this thread and I am relieved to find
> that I am in good company. I am disturbed, however, to discover
> that this man hasn't changed in at least 14 years.
Let me know if there's any hot sex in this essay and I'll read it.
Meanwhile, you have some problems with your sentence structure.