Transferring out of an Akai digital 12 trk
Mark Wyman
I'm a first time user here, so bear with me....My situation is as follows:
My band has done 10 songs on an Akai digital 12 track and we'd like to be
able to mix down with something a little more versatile...It seems to me the
only way to get the tracks out is going 2 tracks at a time (left, right) and
then synching it all up...This is quite an ardous task when you consider
that in the entire project there's over a 100 tracks....Is there any way
around this??? The unit does not have individual line-outs for the 12 tracks
but there are outs for data back-up (including a scsi) Is there anyway
another program or system would be to read the data as music?? Is there any
conversion software out there??? The Akai site is pretty useless on this
one...funny how manufacturers prefer not to address the shortcomings of
their units....
Thanks very much
Mark Wyman
Shoes & Rider
Bob Blank
We have over 1,000 multitrack masters on Akai ADAM and there was never a
digital interface made for this format, so we have never been able to
transfer out of the ADAM.
Klotz made a prototype 12 track unit that we used for a Jon Secada album
but it never worked very well, and synchup was a very arduous task.
Are you talking about the ADAM, or the earlier, analog MK 1214? if it's
a 1214, you only have 2 anal outs. the ADAM has sep anal outs for each
track.
The D1200 spdif converter for the ADAM is a 2tr out system for the ADAM
but is a very klunky way to go.
Harvey Gerst
>Are you talking about the ADAM, or the earlier, analog MK 1214? if it's
>a 1214, you only have 2 anal outs. the ADAM has sep anal outs for each
>track.
Bob,
The The Akai MG1214 has 12 outputs (via the inserts) on each channel.
Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/
Bob Blank
Jules
Watch words: MTC sync, & word clock
you might be able to go optical AND SPDIF out at the same time - so thats 4
tracks at a time...
I am too dumb to advise you further, I have, with help had great success with
transfers to Pro Tools from
Roland VS1880
Fostex D8
one time we had the following gear set up to get the job done:
Digidesign USD
MOTU MPT AV
Russian Dragon to check 'drift' comparing click from PT with click from digital
unit & sequencer
Otari UFC
A rocket scientist guy from a hire co came and set it all up for us.. I had to
pay him... well worth it!
Jules
WillStG
<<We have over 1,000 multitrack masters on Akai ADAM and there was never a
digital interface made for this format, so we have never been able to transfer
out of the ADAM. >>
Good news Bob, the Adam does have a digital interface. I seconded/teched
on a record about 8 years ago where I had to transfer a bunch of tapes from the
Adam to Sony 3348. I got a device from Dreamhire (can't recall the unit's name
offhand) to do the translation from the Adam's digital output format to the
Sony's (SDIF?) digital multi 24 format. Perhaps you can rent an Adam system
with a digital interface card if your unit doesn't have one.
The real PITA with the session was that the timecode tracks were
freewheeled in from a computer midi interface and so the frame edges of the
time code didn't align with the word clocks - and they needed the timecode to
match sfter transfer for midi tracks. If you tried to do timecode sync and a
digital transfer at the same time you'd just get hash as the timecode tracks
drifted away the word clocks! Finally I kludged it by making the Adam the time
code master and the Sony the word clock master; I'd do a 10 second preroll and
as soon as I saw a time code lock on the Zeta synchronizer I'd throw the Adam
into word clock slave mode and somehow that worked well enough to do the
transfers and have the right timecode addresses...
Cheers,
Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Fox And Friends/Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits
Bob Blank
system that we owned at one time.
The problems you mentioned are only part of it. With 24 tracks of ADAM,
you need:
synchronizer master clock TWO output units (that mate with a 3324) and
crossed fingers
it never worked well enough for us to use consistently.
Mike Rivers
In article <1epi1na.7ru9u4u1z3jwN%b...@blankproductions.comNOSPAM!!!> b...@blankproductions.comNOSPAM!!! writes:
> We have over 1,000 multitrack masters on Akai ADAM and there was never a
> digital interface made for this format, so we have never been able to
> transfer out of the ADAM.
's'matter? The analog outputs didn't work? Or don't you consider an
analog interface to be a transfer?
> Are you talking about the ADAM, or the earlier, analog MK 1214?
I'm sure he's talking about the current 12-track digital model, the
DPS-12. It's an integrated recorder and mixer with, as Mark, the
original poster, observed, has only stereo outputs. It doesn't have
individual track outputs (analog or digital). He should have thought
of that before he started the project. Oh, well. Next time he'll
know better.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mri...@d-and-d.com)
Bob Blank
Mike Rivers
In article <1epl1dq.yvye1sm88az6N%b...@blankproductions.comNOSPAM!!!> b...@blankproductions.comNOSPAM!!! writes:
> uh, Mike, the original poster and myself were talking about DIGITAL out.
I suspect that, but using the analog outputs will get the job done.
That's what counts, isn't it?
Remember, the ADAM came out just a couple of years after DAT, and it
was designed to interface with analog equipment. They didn't have
digital consoles then. Apparently there was an aftermarket interface
that sort of worked, but there's not much money in keeping a machine
that old up to date.
Bob Blank
consoles then. I OWNED dmp7s (from 1986 by Yamaha) and their original
14 in digital console had been on the market in the early 80s; and we
avery used to seeing AMS Audiofiles, Lexicons, and other consoles of the
times. And the original poster was talking about getting digital output
from the unit he wanted to mix from.
Mike Rivers
In article <1epm900.vwhvs11diyreoN%b...@blankproductions.comNOSPAM!!!> b...@blankproductions.comNOSPAM!!! writes:
> no, Mike, the adam came out in 1989
Gee, that late? Well, maybe. Time flies when you're having fun.
> and there were indeed digital
> consoles then. I OWNED dmp7s (from 1986 by Yamaha) and their original
> 14 in digital console had been on the market in the early 80s; and we
> avery used to seeing AMS Audiofiles, Lexicons, and other consoles of the
> times.
OK, so you had more money than the average project studio today. The
Audiofile and Opus may have had console work surfaces, but they were
really self-contained workstations. I remember that Yamaha digital
multitrack system and thought it was really cool. Lots of interesting
projects got done on those.
> And the original poster was talking about getting digital output
> from the unit he wanted to mix from.
Well, he apparently isn't going to get it, but he can mix from the
analog outputs and get his job done. Give it a rest.
Bob Blank
you responded to? it was not from ME. Also, perhaps you should be a
little less "off the cuff" with the quick replies. Seems that most of
the thread is about correcting your "wisdom"! Just a friendly
suggestion...
Harvey Gerst
>
>> b...@blankproductions.comNOSPAM!!! writes:
>>
>> > no, Mike, the adam came out in 1989
>>
>> Gee, that late? Well, maybe. Time flies when you're having fun.
Actually guys, we (IMC) debuted the Adam at the 1988 AES Show in New York.
Bob Blank
Will Lee and I bought 2 ea. I still have em and it's workin' great...
Ben Hall
> My band has done 10 songs on an Akai
> digital 12 track and we'd like to be able to
> mix down with something a little more
> versatile...It seems to me the only way
> to get the tracks out is going 2 tracks
> at a time (left, right) and then synching it all up...
If you are talking about the DPS12 then you *can* do this, but there may be
a better way: there is a piece of PC software called "Deepstripper" that
will read projects backed up from the DPS12 to a SCSI CDR, then save out
each individual audio track as WAV files which you can then mix or import to
some other system. The URL is: http://www.alive.co.il/deeps/
Best,
--
Ben Hall
www.benhall.co.uk
DPS12 FAQ, Wavestation Info & Sounds
Mark Wyman
software of some sort...the unit has a scsi out for the purpose of data-back
up...unfortunately, the only thing that can read this info as tracks is the
DPS12.....i'm hoping to find something that would enable Wavelab to be able
pick up the tracks straight from the DPS12...as is now i've got to go 2 at a
time and then synch 'em all up...
another thought is the possible use of MIDI outs, but i'm pretty unfamiliar
w/MIDI so i'm not quite sure what i'm looking for in these
matters....basically, it's all a shot in the dark....i'd have to imagine the
vast majority of people who've used this machine have hoped for some way to
improve their options....perhaps somebody has found one.....the central
issue here is EQ......the EQ's on the DPS12 basically don't anything and
we've got alot of lo-mids i'd like to clean up....
Thanks to both of you for posting and to anybody else giving time to this
matter...
Mark W