Help wanted with Korg D3200 (UK)
Adrian Tuddenham
recordings and then mix and edit them to CD. He has no previous
experience of digital mixing (although he has plenty of musical and
sound experiece in a wider field).
Learning from the instruction book is proving a hopeless task, what he
really needs is some "get you started" help from someone who has already
had experience of this sort of machine.
Is there anyone in the Bristol (UK) area who might be able to give some
help and advice?
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hank alrich
> A friend has bought a Korg 3200 in order to make multi-track location
> recordings and then mix and edit them to CD. He has no previous
> experience of digital mixing (although he has plenty of musical and
> sound experiece in a wider field).
>
> Learning from the instruction book is proving a hopeless task, what he
> really needs is some "get you started" help from someone who has already
> had experience of this sort of machine.
>
> Is there anyone in the Bristol (UK) area who might be able to give some
> help and advice?
A company named Alexander Publishing used to offer after-market manuals
for many devices, including Korg's stuff, and those were good manuals. I
don't think they're around anymore.
The factory offerings from Korg always seemed to have the right
information in the wrong place.
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Adrian Tuddenham
> Adrian Tuddenham <adr...@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > A friend has bought a Korg 3200 in order to make multi-track location
> > recordings and then mix and edit them to CD. He has no previous
> > experience of digital mixing (although he has plenty of musical and
> > sound experiece in a wider field).
> >
> > Learning from the instruction book is proving a hopeless task, what he
> > really needs is some "get you started" help from someone who has already
> > had experience of this sort of machine.
> >
> > Is there anyone in the Bristol (UK) area who might be able to give some
> > help and advice?
>
> A company named Alexander Publishing used to offer after-market manuals
> for many devices, including Korg's stuff, and those were good manuals. I
> don't think they're around anymore.
Thanks, I'll pass that on to him. He might be able to find a secondhand
copy or borrow one.
>
> The factory offerings from Korg always seemed to have the right
> information in the wrong place.
I spent 15 minutes reading it and that was enough to convince me that a
beginner wouldn't stand a chance. Parts of it weren't even in
recognisable English.
Peter Larsen
>> The factory offerings from Korg always seemed to have the right
>> information in the wrong place.
> I spent 15 minutes reading it and that was enough to convince me that
> a beginner wouldn't stand a chance. Parts of it weren't even in
> recognisable English.
At the local gear pusher that thing and a hd24 has the same list price. That
will however leave him needing a mixer, a suitable small soundcraft will
cost him a couple of hundred pounds extra. My suggestion is to go back,
return and get that instead. For the 25 percent more (+ leads, fittings,
etc.) he gets something that is really usable.
Kind regards
Peter Larsen
Adrian Tuddenham
The dealer has gone out of business.
There are already irreplaceable recordings on the device which he
doesn't know how to get off it.
Peter Larsen
> The dealer has gone out of business.
[sheesh]
> There are already irreplaceable recordings on the device which he
> doesn't know how to get off it.
I think I have supported one of those contraptions, the user was in a not
dissimilar situation and close to delivering it to nearby army barracks for
use as artillery target. The horrifying problem is to determine what it is
the manual suggests, and then do it, and then it works. It is not hopeless,
but the UK is too far away.
I think the manual has been translated by someone, who didn't have a
physical thingie to compare to and not a whole lot of knowledge of what this
thingie actually does that is different from the video recorders.
Kind regards
Peter Larsen
Adrian Tuddenham
The problem here is that he knows exactly what he wants to do, but the
different components are scattered throughout the manual amongst
hundreds of other irrelevant (and probably never-used) 'features'. Even
the 'quick-start' guide assumes you have put it into certain modes
(which it doesn't think to mention) and only want to listen on
headphones (he wants a CD recording of the output).
Peter Larsen
Allow me to suggest asking a different question, possibly also in
rec.audio.tech, ie. what file system the disk uses, fat32 is easy to handle
and attractive to use in a recorder because of the low overhead.
Kind regards
Peter Larsen
Adrian Tuddenham
That would be going down the road of 'more difficult', he needs 'less
difficult' and someone to give him a helping hand to use what he has
already got.
Peter Larsen
> Peter Larsen <dig...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Allow me to suggest asking a different question, possibly also in
>> rec.audio.tech, ie. what file system the disk uses, fat32 is easy to
>> handle and attractive to use in a recorder because of the low
>> overhead.
> That would be going down the road of 'more difficult',
Yes in part, but there is a possibility of exportion via a "pc drive"
partition of the harddisk in the d3200. They did however get even that
complicated, a bit like the way the Fostex 24 bit recorder does it.
> he needs 'less
> difficult' and someone to give him a helping hand to use what he has
> already got.
And there has been a resounding cry of silence except for a dane who happens
to have done a bit of battle with that or a similar korg contraption and
knows how contra-intuitive their stuff is. I had to help the guy out,
because I had suggested that contraption as the at that time likely best buy
for the school he was a teacher at ... and we did get it to work to his
liking.
The guy can't operate the thingie the audio is on, nearby help does not
appear available, it is then logical to consider whether moving the audio to
a pc and mix it with a GBP 50 over the counter magix program or with n-track
or similar. This because that will provide a less counter-intuitive and more
informative interface.
If the guy is not poor, then he should move straight to audition or perhaps
vegas, but that is just my opinion and it is only audition that I really
know. He is not gonna get results he is happy with if he has to do combat
with the technology used. The d3200 may be a fine device, but face it, the
guy seems to not be compatible with it.
Branocy's guitar advice applies: the newbie needs a proper instrument. You
ask about how to save the music on that thing, and this is by best opinion,
like it or not, he is not gonna get "less difficult" with the d3200 if he
hadn't found out how to operate it within three days of buying it, it will
all the time be "too difficult" to allow the artistic workflow to function.
There are "budget" solutions and there are "money" solutions, examples have
been suggested. Get the audio out of the d3200!
Kind regards
Peter Larsen
hank alrich
> Peter Larsen <dig...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
> >
> > >> The factory offerings from Korg always seemed to have the right
> > >> information in the wrong place.
> >
> > > I spent 15 minutes reading it and that was enough to convince me that
> > > a beginner wouldn't stand a chance. Parts of it weren't even in
> > > recognisable English.
> >
> > At the local gear pusher that thing and a hd24 has the same list price. That
> > will however leave him needing a mixer, a suitable small soundcraft will
> > cost him a couple of hundred pounds extra. My suggestion is to go back,
> > return and get that instead. For the 25 percent more (+ leads, fittings,
> > etc.) he gets something that is really usable.
>
> The dealer has gone out of business.
Furthemore, Korg's stuff generally works very well once you can figure
out how to work it. Often one just has to bite the proverbial bullet and
then start seriously chewing.
> There are already irreplaceable recordings on the device which he
> doesn't know how to get off it.
More info, please. He has mixed songs he wants to offload? He has
multitrack files he wants to archive?
It has a built-in CDR burner.
http://www.korg.com/Product.aspx?pd=223
hank alrich
This box has a built-in CDR recorder.
Maybe some useful info here:
http://www.korg.com/services/downloads/pdf/DS3200_FAQs.pdf
hank alrich
> Peter Larsen <dig...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
> >
> > >> The factory offerings from Korg always seemed to have the right
> > >> information in the wrong place.
> >
> > > I spent 15 minutes reading it and that was enough to convince me that
> > > a beginner wouldn't stand a chance. Parts of it weren't even in
> > > recognisable English.
> >
> > At the local gear pusher that thing and a hd24 has the same list price. That
> > will however leave him needing a mixer, a suitable small soundcraft will
> > cost him a couple of hundred pounds extra. My suggestion is to go back,
> > return and get that instead. For the 25 percent more (+ leads, fittings,
> > etc.) he gets something that is really usable.
>
> The dealer has gone out of business.
>
> There are already irreplaceable recordings on the device which he
> doesn't know how to get off it.
Adrian,
I just read throught the FAQ PDF. I think it has the info he'll need.
http://www.korg.com/services/downloads/pdf/DS3200_FAQs.pdf
Adrian Tuddenham
Adrian Tuddenham
> Peter Larsen <dig...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
> > > Peter Larsen <dig...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
> >
> > > The problem here is that he knows exactly what he wants to do, but the
> > > different components are scattered throughout the manual amongst
> > > hundreds of other irrelevant (and probably never-used) 'features'.
> > > Even the 'quick-start' guide assumes you have put it into certain
> > > modes (which it doesn't think to mention) and only want to listen on
> > > headphones (he wants a CD recording of the output).
> >
> > Allow me to suggest asking a different question, possibly also in
> > rec.audio.tech, ie. what file system the disk uses, fat32 is easy to handle
> > and attractive to use in a recorder because of the low overhead.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Peter Larsen
>
> This box has a built-in CDR recorder.
>
> Maybe some useful info here:
>
> http://www.korg.com/services/downloads/pdf/DS3200_FAQs.pdf
That looks useful, I'll print it and post it to him. Thanks.