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Jim Kountz

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Feb 12, 2001, 9:03:45 PM2/12/01
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I hope this is not a bad thing to ask publicly here but I really dug Mark
McQuilken's contribution to the RAP 3 times CD set and wanted to know if
anyone knows how I could get in touch with him about acquiring more of his
music. Oh yeah the song was titled "Truth" its on CD #4. Excellent vocals
and fantastic lyrics. Or so I thought anyway!

Thanks everyone,

Jim

PS While noticing a trend here in RAP I decided to drop my "alias" I never
really liked it anyway. The names Jim, nice to know you folks.

Jim

Wisch

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Feb 12, 2001, 10:26:05 PM2/12/01
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Hi, Jim. Give this web site a try.

http://www.fmraudio.com/

The RNC made by Mark & his wife is a great buy. Don't forget to ask him how
the RNEQ is coming....

Wisch


Bob Smith

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Feb 12, 2001, 11:01:16 PM2/12/01
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Jim Kountz wrote:
>
> I hope this is not a bad thing to ask publicly here but I really dug Mark
> McQuilken's contribution to the RAP 3 times CD set and wanted to know if
> anyone knows how I could get in touch with him about acquiring more of his
> music. Oh yeah the song was titled "Truth" its on CD #4. Excellent vocals
> and fantastic lyrics. Or so I thought anyway!

Mark's entry "Truth" caught my fancy as well. I've listened to that one
many times. Check him out at:

http://www.fmraudio.com/

--
bobs
we organize chaos

Bob Smith - BS Studios
http://www.bsstudios.com/
rsm...@bsstudios.com

John Rice

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Feb 13, 2001, 4:02:04 AM2/13/01
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"Bob Smith" <rsm...@bsstudios.com> wrote in message
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> Jim Kountz wrote:
> >
> > I hope this is not a bad thing to ask publicly here but I really dug
Mark
> > McQuilken's contribution to the RAP 3 times CD set and wanted to
know if
> > anyone knows how I could get in touch with him about acquiring more
of his
> > music. Oh yeah the song was titled "Truth" its on CD #4. Excellent
vocals
> > and fantastic lyrics. Or so I thought anyway!
>
> Mark's entry "Truth" caught my fancy as well. I've listened to that
one
> many times. Check him out at:
>
> http://www.fmraudio.com/
>

Same here!!!! Wow! I love that song. I just got my RAP Three Times
set a few days ago ( thanks Harvey! :-) and I hadn't listened to it yet.
I saw this post tonight and I was very interested to hear Mark's work,
not only because he makes a highly regarded compressor but because he
seems like a genuinely nice and intelligent guy with a great sense of
humor. Well, I was very pleasantly surprised!! The writing, execution
and recording are all a joy to listen to. It got me all excited and
inspired! ( and a little annoyed because his song was keeping me from
getting my own stuff done in my studio, I think he made his song that
good just to keep people like me from getting any recordings done! I
was 'forced' to listen to Truth 7 or 8 times! ;-)

Excellent job Mark!!!

John L Rice
Dru...@ImJohn.com

Fletcher

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Feb 13, 2001, 7:47:36 AM2/13/01
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Wisch wrote:

> The RNC made by Mark & his wife is a great buy. Don't forget to ask him how
> the RNEQ is coming....
>

Seeing as I have him working night and day on the RNMP, let me save him a
minute by answering that question for you. It's not. The Mic-Pre is almost
done, then it'll either be an equalizer or "pro version" of the RNC.

There is another unit that is about as close to an RNEQ as anything I could
have imagined, that's the ASC equalizer from Speck Electronics...
--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
TEL: 508-543-0069
FAX: 508-543-9670
http://www.mercenary.com
"this is not a problem"

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go to directory, then "Pro Talk"


Roger W. Norman

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Feb 13, 2001, 3:13:52 AM2/13/01
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Nice to meet you, Jim.

--
Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
www.SirMusicStudio.com
Roger....@verizon.net
Ro...@SirMusicStudio.com
301-585-4681
www.mp3.com/buddywhite
www.mp3.com/thelivewireband
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Jim Kountz

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Feb 13, 2001, 9:17:20 AM2/13/01
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Thanks everyone, I didnt know he made the RNC.....Cool.

Jim


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Harvey Gerst

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Feb 13, 2001, 10:24:57 AM2/13/01
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"Jim Kountz" <jko...@citlink.net> wrote:

>Thanks everyone, I didnt know he made the RNC.....Cool.
>
>Jim

In addition to Mark's contribution, we also have killer cuts on the r.a.p.
compilation set from other manufacturer/engineers:

John Le Grou, Millennia Media
Mike Fuller, Fulltone Pedals
Robert Orban, Orban Products
Stephen Paul, SPAudio

And next year's set will have an entry from George Massenburg (GML), Karl
Winkler (Neumann), and possibly Dan Kennedy (Great River) and Brent Casey (MXL).

I doubt if EveAnna's wrist will heal in time to include any saxophone tracks
from her. Rather than push her publicly to include a track before her hand is
completely better, I am urging her to practice "safe sax" and wait till her
wrist is back to normal before trying to send in a musical track.

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/

Fletcher

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Feb 13, 2001, 10:53:01 AM2/13/01
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Jim Kountz wrote:

> Thanks everyone, I didnt know he made the RNC.....Cool.
>

Go figure...a guy that designs gear *and* engineers music...who'd have thought
it possible...


--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
TEL: 508-543-0069
FAX: 508-543-9670
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JnyVee.

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Feb 13, 2001, 10:54:49 AM2/13/01
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Fletcher wrote:

> There is another unit that is about as close to an RNEQ as anything I could
> have imagined, that's the ASC equalizer from Speck Electronics...

anybody ever do anything with Barry Porter's EQ design and details?

Gulf Joe

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Feb 13, 2001, 11:02:45 AM2/13/01
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Do I understand from this that you already have tracks in hand for next year's
compilation? or just commitments? or are these "just not in time" for R3T?

If they're that far ahead, I better get on the stick. I promised you some *real*
classical stuff for this next set. How many can I send? :-)

Harvey Gerst

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Feb 13, 2001, 11:33:33 AM2/13/01
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Gulf Joe <gul...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Harvey Gerst wrote:
>>
>> And next year's set will have an entry from George Massenburg (GML), Karl
>> Winkler (Neumann), and possibly Dan Kennedy (Great River) and Brent Casey (MXL).

>Do I understand from this that you already have tracks in hand for next year's


>compilation? or just commitments? or are these "just not in time" for R3T?

They are just "commitments" right now. No tracks till we're ready to go on the
next set and that won't be for a while, since half the sets are still unsold.

>If they're that far ahead, I better get on the stick. I promised you some *real*
>classical stuff for this next set. How many can I send? :-)

If it's like this year, 5 minutes worth.

DpthInc

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Feb 13, 2001, 6:05:43 PM2/13/01
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>Seeing as I have him working night and day on the RNMP, let me save him a
>minute by answering that question for you. It's not. The Mic-Pre is almost
>done, then it'll either be an equalizer or "pro version" of the RNC.
>
>There is another unit that is about as close to an RNEQ as anything I could
>have imagined, that's the ASC equalizer from Speck Electronics...
>--
>Fletcher

Right on Fletcher.. have you heard the new MP from Mark? I am curious what
this thing will be. As far as the ASC.. Smokin ! Happy as shit eatin flies to
have a pair of 'em.
______________

Jeff Deeth
Depth Recording
Chicago, IL
Dpt...@aol.com

jsp...@smumn.edu

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Feb 14, 2001, 1:29:38 PM2/14/01
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>>Seeing as I have him working night and day on the RNMP, let me save him a
>>minute by answering that question for you. It's not. The Mic-Pre is almost
>>done, then it'll either be an equalizer or "pro version" of the RNC.
>>
>>There is another unit that is about as close to an RNEQ as anything I could
>>have imagined, that's the ASC equalizer from Speck Electronics...
>>--
>>Fletcher

Good Call! I picked up a pair of the ASC equalizers from Vince and have been
thrilled! As for the RNMP, will this be a single channel or dual channel
dedicated mic pre? Or will it be a channel strip concept (pre, eq, comp)?

Jason Spartz
Multimedia & IT Support
Saint Mary's University of MN
jsp...@smumn.edu

Fletcher

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Feb 14, 2001, 3:05:55 PM2/14/01
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jsp...@smumn.edu wrote:

> As for the RNMP, will this be a single channel or dual channel
> dedicated mic pre? Or will it be a channel strip concept (pre, eq, comp)?
>

Last I heard, single channel the same size as an RNC.

YBStudios

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Feb 14, 2001, 4:17:05 PM2/14/01
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>Last I heard, single channel the same size as an RNC.
>--
>Fletcher

With that direction you could squeeze a RNMP, a RNEQ and a RNC in one rack
space.

Real Nice Signal Chain. (RNSC?). $595.

Wayne@Yellow Booth Studios
Montgomery, AL

Mark McQuilken

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Feb 14, 2001, 4:40:34 PM2/14/01
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jsp...@smumn.edu wrote:
>
>
> Good Call! I picked up a pair of the ASC equalizers from Vince and have been
> thrilled! As for the RNMP, will this be a single channel or dual channel
> dedicated mic pre? Or will it be a channel strip concept (pre, eq, comp)?
>
> Jason Spartz

Hey, what's this thread with my name? If this is about the RNEQ, it's
still in the works with the MicPre getting my current attention. IMHO,
you can't go wrong with the ASC...it's clean, sounds *great*, is a
bargain AND even looks good!

As for the RNMP, I'll be announcing feature-set and performance details
soon. The concept behind it is similar to the RNC: accurate, sounds
good, is affordable and will provide 1/3 of an eventual "voice channel"
in a single rack space.

Cheers!
McQ

Jay Kahrs

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Feb 14, 2001, 6:20:04 PM2/14/01
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>Last I heard, single channel the same size as an RNC.

I was talking to Harvey on IRC a few weeks ago and I could have sworn he said
it was a half rack. What I really want to know is if the power supply is
internal or external.
---
-Jay Kahrs
Mad Moose Recording Inc.
(formerly BrownSound Studios)
Livingston, NJ
http://www.madmooserecording.com

Harvey Gerst

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Feb 14, 2001, 6:42:22 PM2/14/01
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brown...@aol.com (Jay Kahrs) wrote:

>>Last I heard, single channel the same size as an RNC.
>
>I was talking to Harvey on IRC a few weeks ago and I could have sworn he said
>it was a half rack. What I really want to know is if the power supply is
>internal or external.

Jay,

Mark didn't actually tell me the size, but it makes sense to use the same metal
work if possible from a cost-efficient production standpoint. It also makes
sense for him to use an external power supply to avoid the expensive
certification rituals in L.A., the U.S., and Canada.

Jay Kahrs

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Feb 15, 2001, 12:00:05 AM2/15/01
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>Mark didn't actually tell me the size, but it makes sense to use the same
>metal work if possible from a cost-efficient production standpoint. It also
makes
>sense for him to use an external power supply to avoid the expensive
>certification rituals in L.A., the U.S., and Canada.
>

I understand all that. But I could have sworn you told me it was a half rack or
full rack.

Harvey Gerst

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Feb 15, 2001, 12:09:05 AM2/15/01
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brown...@aol.com (Jay Kahrs) wrote:

>>Mark didn't actually tell me the size, but it makes sense to use the same
>>metal work if possible from a cost-efficient production standpoint. It also
>makes
>>sense for him to use an external power supply to avoid the expensive
>>certification rituals in L.A., the U.S., and Canada.
>>
>
>I understand all that. But I could have sworn you told me it was a half rack or
>full rack.

Jay,

I thought Mark said he was making a small mono and a larger dual unit. I may
have said 1/2 rack, but it would make more sense to use his existing 1/3 design
- I know I would if I were him.

Luke Kaven

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Feb 15, 2001, 12:26:02 AM2/15/01
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Or make a Really Nice Channel Strip for a Really Nice Open Console
architecture.


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EveAnna Manley

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Feb 15, 2001, 1:40:54 PM2/15/01
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"Harvey Gerst" <har...@ITRstudio.com> wrote:
> I doubt if EveAnna's wrist will heal in time to include any saxophone
tracks
> from her. Rather than push her publicly to include a track before her
hand is
> completely better, I am urging her to practice "safe sax" and wait till
her
> wrist is back to normal before trying to send in a musical track.
>
> Harvey Gerst
> Indian Trail Recording Studio
> http://www.ITRstudio.com/

Hey Harvey,
thanks for the invite.
I have only been recorded playing bari sax on one record back in our
live-to-2-track days...
But I play trumpet too, so if someone can hold it up for me (left hand
task), I can do the valves...
oh i forgot I haven't played trumpet in 12 years! embrochure? what
embrochure?

My trumpet-playing career is documented in the December 1, 1986 issue of
Sports Illustrated in an article about the wonderful Columbia University
football team, the one that went four years without winning and broke all
losing streak records.
I just posted that picture at:
http://www.manleylabs.com/galleria/cumb.html

It's funny, there is an ad in the middle of the article for "When you buy an
Apple II, you're buying an Apple, too!"

What I could do for ya is rev the engine on my FXLR (right hand task).
Actually it is currently parked in my studio. Hmmmmmm........
--
Cheers, EveAnna Manley, President
Manley Laboratories, Inc. 13880 Magnolia Ave. Chino, CA. 91710
Tel: (909) 627-4256 Fax: (909) 628-2482
<http://www.manleylabs.com>
reply to:
<mailto:ema...@manleylabs.com>


jim andrews

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Feb 15, 2001, 1:48:15 PM2/15/01
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In article <96h7a8$9lc$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>, van...@ix.netcom.com
says...

> But I play trumpet too, so if someone can hold it up for me (left hand
> task), I can do the valves...


It figures you'd play a valve instrument . . . ;)

jim andrews
basset sound
austin, tejas

Fletcher

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Feb 15, 2001, 8:00:11 PM2/15/01
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EveAnna Manley wrote:

> My trumpet-playing career is documented in the December 1, 1986 issue of
> Sports Illustrated in an article about the wonderful Columbia University
> football team, the one that went four years without winning and broke all
> losing streak records.

Gee, are you sure about that? My wife was a cheerleader for the MIT football
team...yes, MIT has a football team...how silly is that?. I don't think they've
managed to win a game yet!! My favorite cheer they did was when the other team
scored a touchdown (which was early and often) it went: "That's all right,
that's OK, you're gonna work for us someday".


--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
TEL: 508-543-0069
FAX: 508-543-9670
http://www.mercenary.com
"this is not a problem"

Producers/Engineers/Hardware forum:
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EveAnna Manley

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Feb 15, 2001, 8:29:14 PM2/15/01
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"Fletcher" <Flet...@mercenary.com> wrote in message
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> Gee, are you sure about that? My wife was a cheerleader for the MIT
football
> team...yes, MIT has a football team...how silly is that?. I don't think
they've
> managed to win a game yet!! My favorite cheer they did was when the other
team
> scored a touchdown (which was early and often) it went: "That's all right,
> that's OK, you're gonna work for us someday".
> --
> Fletcher

yeah I'm sure. Columbia had the record for consecutive losses in real
division I football
(if you still consider the Ivies as real football):
AP Wire October 8, 1988

Columbia, an NCAA Division I-AA team,
broke the Division I record of 34 straight
defeats set by Northwestern.
The only NCAA losing streak longer than
Columbia's 44 was 50 by Macalester College,
a Division III school in St. Paul, Minn.,
which did not win from 1974 to 1980.

Kevin F. Rose

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Feb 16, 2001, 1:19:23 PM2/16/01
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>> Gee, are you sure about that? My wife was a cheerleader for the MIT
>football
>> team...yes, MIT has a football team...how silly is that?. I don't think
>they've
>> managed to win a game yet!! My favorite cheer they did was when the other
>team
>> scored a touchdown (which was early and often) it went: "That's all right,
>> that's OK, you're gonna work for us someday".

>broke the Division I record of 34 straight


>defeats set by Northwestern.
> The only NCAA losing streak longer than
>Columbia's 44 was 50 by Macalester College,
>a Division III school in St. Paul, Minn.,
>which did not win from 1974 to 1980.
>


Yeah but columbia never played those incredible pranks that MIT used
to pull during the Harvard Yale games. Like when they inflated that
giant balloon they had buried under the 50 yard line and it took
forever to level the playing field<g>.
Kevin F. Rose
'No, the metronome is *not* slowing down."

EveAnna Manley

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Feb 17, 2001, 3:25:24 PM2/17/01
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> Yeah but columbia never played those incredible pranks that MIT used
> to pull during the Harvard Yale games. Like when they inflated that
> giant balloon they had buried under the 50 yard line and it took
> forever to level the playing field<g>.
> Kevin F. Rose

How would you know what incredible pranks we pulled or never pulled? I guess
you have never been inside the Columbia University Marching Band room
before...

I'll assure you there were plenty, enough to get us kicked out of various
stadiums when things went wrong... oops. I'll just say this, thank you to
the bus driver who stopped when we asked him to on the NJ Turnpike and
allowed us to climb up on the roof of the bus. Uhm, waitaminute, sorry, the
cheerleaders kept him distracted while we climbed up on the top of the bus
on the NJ turnpike...

As leader of the CUMB SWAT team, as we used to say, "I'm sure I don't know
what you're talking about."
--

Jay Kahrs

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Feb 17, 2001, 6:10:53 PM2/17/01
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>How would you know what incredible pranks we pulled or never pulled? I guess
>you have never been inside the Columbia University Marching Band room
>before...

How many other people on r.a.p. were in a marching band? I wasin high school.
When I think back on it, we caused a lot of trouble. Although the bus story
sounds like it has the promise to be better then anything my marching band ever
did.

Scott Dorsey

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Feb 17, 2001, 6:19:11 PM2/17/01
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Jay Kahrs <brown...@aol.com> wrote:

EveAnna wrote:
>>How would you know what incredible pranks we pulled or never pulled? I guess
>>you have never been inside the Columbia University Marching Band room
>>before...
>
>How many other people on r.a.p. were in a marching band? I wasin high school.

I wanted to be, but they didn't have big enough casters on the piano.
--scott

My ex was. Does that count for something? For a while she was even the
majorette for William and Mary.
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

John Rice

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Feb 17, 2001, 6:23:49 PM2/17/01
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I played snare in my high school marching band. ( Wilson High Tacoma WA
USA )

John L Rice
Dru...@ImJohn.com

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Rob Adelman

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Feb 17, 2001, 7:08:57 PM2/17/01
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Trombone for me.

Rob Adelman

David Morgan (MAMS)

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Feb 17, 2001, 7:50:12 PM2/17/01
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"John Rice" <imj...@imjohn.com> wrote in message ...

> I played snare in my high school marching band. ( Wilson High Tacoma WA
> USA )

Same here.... but what about the "pep" band or "stage" band ?
I never made a live stage band preformance, but I loved the long
pep band bus trips. Not necessarily the roof, mind you.... just a
nice dark seat in the back with my favorite female flautist. ;-)

DM

John Rice

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Feb 17, 2001, 7:48:28 PM2/17/01
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" <ma...@airmail.net> wrote in message
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.


Yup, I was in pep band and stage band and concert band and occationally
the orchestra. Pep band was a lot of fun! If I had the confidence to
let people ( women especially ;-) how I feel about them as I do now I
would of had even MORE fun but . . . . my ex wife did play in the band!
;-)

John L Rice
Dru...@ImJohn.com

Bob Smith

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Feb 17, 2001, 8:55:36 PM2/17/01
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Jay Kahrs wrote:
>
> >How would you know what incredible pranks we pulled or never pulled? I guess
> >you have never been inside the Columbia University Marching Band room
> >before...
>
> How many other people on r.a.p. were in a marching band? I wasin high school.
> When I think back on it, we caused a lot of trouble. Although the bus story
> sounds like it has the promise to be better then anything my marching band ever
> did.

Trumpet in:

Evergreen Marching Band and Stage Band
Husky Marching Band (University of Washington)
UW Brass choir, Wind Sinfonetta, Concert Band

--
bobs
we organize chaos

Bob Smith - BS Studios
http://www.bsstudios.com/
rsm...@bsstudios.com

Steve Folta

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Feb 17, 2001, 11:29:55 PM2/17/01
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brown...@aol.com (Jay Kahrs) wrote:
> How many other people on r.a.p. were in a marching band?

I played beer bottles in the Yale Precision Marching Band.

Barb Roy-Bridges

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Feb 17, 2001, 11:53:27 PM2/17/01
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Jay Kahrs wrote in message

>How many other people on r.a.p. were in a marching band? I wasin high
school.
>When I think back on it, we caused a lot of trouble. Although the bus
story
>sounds like it has the promise to be better then anything my marching
band ever
>did.


Trumpet player during concert season, drill team during marching. Ahh
band camp...brings back memories. Also where I learned the "Chinese fire
drill" (among other things <cough>.)

bRb
http://scarlettown.cjb.net


Mike Clayton

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Feb 18, 2001, 4:11:42 AM2/18/01
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In article <96na2o$8ot$0...@216.39.130.203>, rsm...@bsstudios.com wrote:

> Trumpet in:
>
> Evergreen Marching Band and Stage Band
> Husky Marching Band (University of Washington)
> UW Brass choir, Wind Sinfonetta, Concert Band

How about Eflat gumboot in Munn and Feltons' footwear band... I bet only
the poms will know what I'm talking about!

--
Mike Clayton

Greg Heimbecker

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Feb 18, 2001, 8:52:40 AM2/18/01
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I did the drum major thing my senior year to avoid taking a pre WWII Selmer alto
out into the elements. Eve Anna please tell me you didn't march with a bari!?!?!

By the time I got to college marching band was the antithesis of anything that
interested me in music. For a couple years they even became civil enough to drop
marching band here, sadly that didn't stick.

Greg Heimbecker
University of Northern Colorado Recording Studio

Scott Dorsey

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Feb 18, 2001, 11:23:08 AM2/18/01
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Fletcher <Flet...@mercenary.com> wrote:
>
>Gee, are you sure about that? My wife was a cheerleader for the MIT football
>team...yes, MIT has a football team...how silly is that?. I don't think they've
>managed to win a game yet!! My favorite cheer they did was when the other team
>scored a touchdown (which was early and often) it went: "That's all right,
>that's OK, you're gonna work for us someday".

Yeah, but do they have faculty on their football team? Caltech has two
professors on theirs!
--scott
(who went to a school where they actually made the football players
take classes, sometimes even the normal engineering classes)

Lorin David Schultz

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Feb 18, 2001, 7:56:03 PM2/18/01
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Fletcher wrote:
>
> [...] The Mic-Pre is almost done, then it'll either be an equalizer or
> "pro version" of the RNC.

RNC PRO!!! Please please please please please!!!

The Speck ASC is taking care of the really truly excellent EQ that costs
many times less than what it's worth... let it have the spotlight for a
while. Concentrate on the pro version of the RNC, and by the time you
get around to the EQ we'll be bored with the ASC and looking for
something new!

Did I mention that I'd like to buy a pro version of the RNC? If not,
lemme share my wish list (in order of priority, highest first):

- balanced I/O
- internal power supply
- rack-mount chassis
- +4dBu nominal operating level (0 is pretty close and I can guess why
you chose it, but as long as we're wishing...)

Things that might be nice, but only if they don't drive up the price too
much because they're not terribly important to me:

- sidechain inputs
- split dual channel operation in addition to linked stereo

Thanks 1,000,000 Mark! I'm looking forward to this one!

Lorin

Garthrr

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In article <3A906F51...@V5V.com>, Lorin David Schultz <Lo...@V5V.com>
writes:

>
>Things that might be nice, but only if they don't drive up the price too
>much because they're not terribly important to me:
>
>- sidechain inputs

Hmmm, my RNC has a sidechain. Doesnt yours?

Garth


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

Joe Kotroczo

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On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:56:03 GMT, Lorin David Schultz <Lo...@V5V.com>
wrote:

[...]


>Did I mention that I'd like to buy a pro version of the RNC?

You're not the only one...

>- balanced I/O

on both XLR and Jacks please

>- internal power supply

autosensing from 100 - 250 V or thereabouts, 50 - 60 Hz, with the fuse
accessible from the outside

>- rack-mount chassis

>- +4dBu nominal operating level (0 is pretty close and I can guess why
> you chose it, but as long as we're wishing...)

as long as we're wishing, make it switchable +4/-10

>- sidechain inputs

has already a sidechain, but make the I/O balanced (on jacks) and
separate for left/right.

>- split dual channel operation in addition to linked stereo

!!! Absolutely !

I'd like to add:

- hard relay bypass (unit still passes audio after losing power)
- some kind of memory for the push buttons (so it wakes up in the mode
it was in before the power went away)


(... and maybe throw in a couple of gates for good measure. ...or a
limiter which would certainly find it's fans among IEM users. ... or
maybe make the metering switchable in/out/gain red. ...)


_____________________________________________________________________
Joe Kotroczo kotr...@village.uunet.lu

Chris G.

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Feb 19, 2001, 12:33:37 PM2/19/01
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How about a RNL (Real Nice Limiter). It would be very nice to have an
inexpensive but highly capable brick-wall type limiter. I mean the RNC is a
beautiful compressor, and a Pro version would be nice, but I really do miss
having a serious external limiter just for catching peaks. I currently use
the RNC for that and it does a pretty good job, but occasionally some peaks
still sneak through on certain instruments. I just need something with an
attack that is as fast as technology allows on a hardware based limiter,
along with as much transparency as possible. A RNL could also be used as a
broadcast limiter perhaps...maybe something based on the RNC that would give
fairly transparent limiting. Just an idea...
Chris G.

"Joe Kotroczo" <kotr...@village.uunet.lu> wrote in message
news:1cc29tkfea9e94k37...@4ax.com...

geo...@gjhsun.cl.msu.edu

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Feb 19, 2001, 1:31:36 PM2/19/01
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I second that emotion!

EveAnna Manley

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Feb 19, 2001, 2:08:44 PM2/19/01
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"Greg Heimbecker" <squid...@ctos.com> wrote :


> I did the drum major thing my senior year to avoid taking a pre WWII
Selmer alto
> out into the elements. Eve Anna please tell me you didn't march with a
bari!?!?!

In high school I was drum major for 3 years. Played my pre WWII Selmer bari
sax in the stands sometimes, or clarinet, or altosax, or trumpet depending
on the weather and what i felt like carrying.

In college, I mostly played trumpet although if the weather was bad, I
played a Volkswagon hubcap...
I always had my socket wrench set on hand for those on-top-of-the-bus
opportunities...

Brad Lunde

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Feb 19, 2001, 2:49:57 PM2/19/01
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>> > How many other people on r.a.p. were in a marching band?

Baritone for me


Brad Lunde
TransAmerica Audio Group, Inc
http://www.transaudiogroup.com
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jim andrews

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Feb 19, 2001, 2:59:02 PM2/19/01
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In article <20010217181053...@ng-mj1.aol.com>,
brown...@aol.com says...

> How many other people on r.a.p. were in a marching band?

Gawd, not only marching band but a DCI corps. French horn.

Geek personified.

Since reformed.

Alan Luckett

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Feb 19, 2001, 4:01:41 PM2/19/01
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"Chris G." <chri...@txdirect.net> wrote in message
news:t92mi1b...@corp.supernews.com...

> How about a RNL (Real Nice Limiter). It would be very nice to have an
> inexpensive but highly capable brick-wall type limiter. I mean the RNC is
a
> beautiful compressor, and a Pro version would be nice, but I really do
miss
> having a serious external limiter just for catching peaks. I currently
use
> the RNC for that and it does a pretty good job, but occasionally some
peaks
> still sneak through on certain instruments. I just need something with
an
> attack that is as fast as technology allows on a hardware based limiter,
> along with as much transparency as possible. A RNL could also be used as
a
> broadcast limiter perhaps...maybe something based on the RNC that would
give
> fairly transparent limiting. Just an idea...
> Chris G.

Another addition to the wish list, lets have a multi channel RNL in a 1U
space for use with MDM's / ADAT's etc.
After extensive searching, I have found exactly no one who currently makes
and 8 channel 1U limiter.

Alan L

Paul Gitlitz

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Feb 19, 2001, 4:08:10 PM2/19/01
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I would love an 8 channel limiter with +4 balanced I/O.
and a pro RNC with +4 balance I/O.

jsp...@smumn.edu

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Feb 19, 2001, 5:13:34 PM2/19/01
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>>> > How many other people on r.a.p. were in a marching band?

Yep, alto sax in the marching band and the bari sax in pep and jazz band. I
should really dig out the alto and see if I can get my breath support back in
order.

Jason Spartz
MudStone Music - Project Studio
Multimedia & IT Support Manager
Saint Mary's University of MN
jsp...@smumn.edu

Fletcher

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Feb 19, 2001, 7:32:40 PM2/19/01
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> >> > How many other people on r.a.p. were in a marching band?
>

I used to do alot of 'marching powder'...and used to work for bands...does
that count?
--
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Mercenary Audio
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Peter Duemmler

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Feb 19, 2001, 7:53:58 PM2/19/01
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> After extensive searching, I have found exactly no one who currently makes
> and 8 channel 1U limiter.

Behringer makes something they call "Protector"...
I doubt it´s useful, but it´s what you´re looking for (spec-wise).

--
http://www.merlinsound.de


j. taylor

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Feb 19, 2001, 9:38:10 PM2/19/01
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> >> > How many other people on r.a.p. were in a marching band?
>

Once, in 9th grade, the concert band had to march during a parade. I played
flute. They gave
me this paddle to stick under my arm that extended forward and had music on a
little stand bobbing somewhere out in front of my nose. I never felt like
more of a dork. After a mile or so
I ditched it in a trash can and winged it for the rest of the parade.
Shoulda started saxophone earlier. Then they expect you to make stuff up.
Will Hunt

Jay Kahrs

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Feb 19, 2001, 10:56:40 PM2/19/01
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>Another addition to the wish list, lets have a multi channel RNL in a 1U
>space for use with MDM's / ADAT's etc.
>After extensive searching, I have found exactly no one who currently makes
>and 8 channel 1U limiter.

Look in the used shops. ART used to make one. So did Symetrix and both of them
pop-up used for very little cash if you can find one. As a matter of fact, I
think I know where a Symetrix lives. If anyone is interested drop me a line and
I'll put in contact with the party that I think still has one for sale.

I'd dig an RNC Pro. +4, two channels, internal power supply etc. but leave the
gates and all the other shit out. That's what adds to the cost of it. I don't
think the world needs an RNG (gate) because it's hard to beat a DS201 or Aphex
622 and they don't cost that much anyway.

Jay Kahrs

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Feb 19, 2001, 11:02:38 PM2/19/01
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>Gawd, not only marching band but a DCI corps. French horn.
>
>Geek personified.
>
>Since reformed.

Geez, that's rough. Since I started this thread I should probably mention what
I did.

I was a marching band "manager" which was a nice name for "bitch" or "roadie".
I played guitar for all four years of high school jazz band but I didn't play a
marching band instrument. But, this girl I was dating was in the marching band
and was always busy with practice and football games. Sooooo....

Rob Adelman

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Feb 19, 2001, 11:08:56 PM2/19/01
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> I'd dig an RNC Pro. +4, two channels, internal power supply etc. but leave the
> gates and all the other shit out. That's what adds to the cost of it. I don't
> think the world needs an RNG (gate) because it's hard to beat a DS201 or Aphex
> 622 and they don't cost that much anyway.


Personally I think gates suck. Tried them, don't like them. There is
always bleed from other instruments on the gated channel and you can
hear the gain changing (of the unintended track) everytime the gate
kicks on and off.

This is especially true when trying to gate drum tracks. In fact this is
true when compressing individual drum tracks as well, but the effect is
not as noticable as when gating.

As far as the RNC-pro, I would like to see a 2 rack, 8 channel pre into
compressor. Unbalanced would be fine for me as I am going into my
MSR-24S. Maybe another rack of balancing converters optional?

Rob Adelman

Jay Kahrs

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Feb 20, 2001, 2:08:20 AM2/20/01
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>Personally I think gates suck. Tried them, don't like them. There is
>always bleed from other instruments on the gated channel and you can
>hear the gain changing (of the unintended track) everytime the gate
>kicks on and off.

I'll agree with you. I'll usually gate vocals and sometimes a kick. Other then
that I expand. That way you get most of the good parts of gating without the
bad parts.

david

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Feb 20, 2001, 2:29:26 AM2/20/01
to
In article <20010219230238...@ng-da1.aol.com>, Jay Kahrs
<brown...@aol.com> wrote:

> >Gawd, not only marching band but a DCI corps. French horn.
> >
> >Geek personified.
> >
> >Since reformed.


Reading these reminded me of my last experience with my high school
marching band. (They wouldn't let you be in the orchestra without
putting up with marching and playing at football games.)

Anyway, I was a senior, and I had discovered the wonders of the herb
that summer, the summer of 68. So I decided hell, this is the last
freekin game, I'm getting wrecked.

So just before halftime, I grabbed my best pal ostensibly to go to the
bathroom, & we went under the stands and got wasted. In our freekin
band uniform and big hats. What a laugh. We mosey on back barely in
time to head down with everyone beyond the goal post to line up for the
halftime extravaganza (right).

As a senior I was the guy on the right end of the row, who is the
person everyone in that row has to follow & stay in step with. The
half ends, the players exit, and on we go. I'm in the last row. I stop
us at the 35 yard line exactly as we practiced that week. I watch a the
row in front of us does NOT stop at the 40 yard line. The entire band,
majorettes & cheerleaders just keep going. Damn what a sight, them just
marchin and marchin further and further away, the sound of them getting
softer & softer and us just standing there. Still brings a chuckle
outta my mouth.

Seems while my pal and I were away, the band director told everyone to
march all the way down the field & turn around and them do the
formation coming back. Lucky me, as I was getting three earsfull about
it after we got off the field, I coulda cared less.

Oh ya, there was one freekin good reason to be in marching band back
then. Majorettes! They was all incredibly cute and their tiny little
skirts barely covered their panties. Somebody say Amen!

David Purple Haze Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island

cass...@mediaone.net
www.CelebrationSound.com


p.s. EveAnna, you keep talking about the top of the bus. What da hell
did you do up there or did I miss that one?

Jay Kahrs

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>p.s. EveAnna, you keep talking about the top of the bus. What da hell
>did you do up there or did I miss that one?

Yeah, we wanna know!

S. Warner

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"Brad Lunde" <tran...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010219144957...@ng-mb1.aol.com...

> >> > How many other people on r.a.p. were in a marching band?
>
> Baritone for me

Same for me. 'Cept it was a 'flugabone': Basically, a marching trombone
with valves. Looked like a XXL trumpet.

Bass in the jazz ensemble as well.

It beat the hell out of sitting in study hall with Chuck, Porterhouse, and
Ribeye.

-Scott (Warner)


John Rice

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Feb 20, 2001, 2:47:24 AM2/20/01
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>
> Oh ya, there was one freekin good reason to be in marching band back
> then. Majorettes! They was all incredibly cute and their tiny little
> skirts barely covered their panties. Somebody say Amen!
>

AMEN BROTHER!!!!! ;-)


Scott Dorsey

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Feb 20, 2001, 10:09:36 AM2/20/01
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Rob Adelman <r...@skihappy.com> wrote:
>Personally I think gates suck. Tried them, don't like them. There is
>always bleed from other instruments on the gated channel and you can
>hear the gain changing (of the unintended track) everytime the gate
>kicks on and off.

That's what gates are for. When you want that effect, you want gates.
If you don't want that effect, don't use gating.
--scott

Scott Dorsey

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Feb 20, 2001, 10:37:40 AM2/20/01
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Hey, you're preaching to the choir. I went and married one.
It was fun. I'd do it again in a minute.

geo...@gjhsun.cl.msu.edu

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Feb 20, 2001, 10:34:45 AM2/20/01
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Yes, Yes!!! I'll take one of each.

JnyVee.

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Feb 20, 2001, 11:38:06 AM2/20/01
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I'm a little confused by the subject header.. I may have missed a few
pertinant posts so maybe someone can fill me in...
was Mr McQuilken a majorette?
when were he and Scott married?
did he really look good in short skirts?
did either of them do those cool throw-them-up-in-the-air-and-catch
routines?

jim andrews

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Feb 20, 2001, 12:57:35 PM2/20/01
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In article <3A929D...@ybmurbrevlis.com>, moc....@ybmurbrevlis.com
says...

> I'm a little confused by the subject header.. I may have missed a few
> pertinant posts so maybe someone can fill me in...
> was Mr McQuilken a majorette?

Last time I went by his house, he tossed a pizza. Does that count?


> when were he and Scott married?

I've never met Scott, but I'm pretty sure Mark's wife is in all
regards a better match for Mark than Scott. (No offense, Scott.)

EveAnna Manley

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Feb 20, 2001, 2:19:27 PM2/20/01
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"david" <ih...@spamo.com> wrote:

> p.s. EveAnna, you keep talking about the top of the bus. What da hell
> did you do up there or did I miss that one?

One of those merry pranks on the NJ Turnpike that "I'm sure I don't know
what you're talking about..."
A socket wrench set was involved...

Jay Kahrs

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Feb 20, 2001, 3:57:55 PM2/20/01
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>One of those merry pranks on the NJ Turnpike that "I'm sure I don't know
>what you're talking about..."
>A socket wrench set was involved...

I sure I do know... What did you do to my states turnpike? Are you the reason I
can't get there from here? : )

Douglas Findley

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Feb 21, 2001, 1:33:33 AM2/21/01
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Alto Sax in High School and tenor in College: Marching, Jazz, Concert
Band, Pep band. We had to memorize our music in marching band (works
out better anyway). And yea, totally dorked out sweaty costumes.

Douglas Findley


hank alrich

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Feb 21, 2001, 2:59:33 AM2/21/01
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Jay Kahrs <brown...@aol.com> wrote:

> I'd dig an RNC Pro. +4, two channels, internal power supply etc. but leave the
> gates and all the other shit out.

Thank you.

--
hank alrich * secret__mountain
audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
"If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"

hank alrich

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Feb 21, 2001, 2:59:32 AM2/21/01
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Joe Kotroczo <kotr...@village.uunet.lu> wrote:

> I'd like to add:
>
> - hard relay bypass (unit still passes audio after losing power)

The RNC does that now. You can shoot the wallwart and still get signal
through.

Mike Rivers

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Feb 21, 2001, 10:04:41 AM2/21/01
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> > was Mr McQuilken a majorette?
>
> Last time I went by his house, he tossed a pizza. Does that count?

Was that before or after he ate it?


--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mri...@d-and-d.com)

Nate Tschetter

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Feb 21, 2001, 12:16:44 PM2/21/01
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Howdy

OK, since everyone is "outing" themselves...alto sax, marching band,
concert band; keyboards and guitar in jazz band.

Oh...and...uh...drum major...cough, cough...

My senior year, we had a big pep rally on the football field. The entire
school of 2500 people occupied the stands. During the pep rally, they
had a "Battle of the Classes" where each grade selected 5 people to push
VW Bugs around the track in a race. The jazz band played on the infield
near the finish line. Well, as the sophomore class came in, they
suddenly lost control of their "steed" and it plowed into the midst of
the band. No one was injured but a few of the old band instruments were
beyond repair.

I have never heard cheering like that since.

--
"You have to know something before you know something."

Nate (Doraemon) Tschetter
Sonic Taxidermist
www.gluethemoose.com

Paul Gitlitz

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Feb 21, 2001, 1:30:51 PM2/21/01
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I played Trumpet in the orchestra in elementary then they stuck me on
Baritone horn in the Junior High stage band. No one ever taught me
bass clef, they just gave me a horn and said play. This was New York
city we don't march.

David Morgan (MAMS)

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Feb 21, 2001, 7:37:15 PM2/21/01
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"hank alrich" <walk...@thegrid.net> wrote in message news:1ep4leb.15s...@209-162-27-177.thegrid.net...


Ditto to Jay, and, you're welcome, Hank. ;-)

DM


David Morgan (MAMS)

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Feb 21, 2001, 7:40:37 PM2/21/01
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"Nate Tschetter" <na...@gluethemoose.com> wrote in message news:3A93F7FB...@gluethemoose.com...

> Howdy
>
> OK, since everyone is "outing" themselves...alto sax, marching band,
> concert band; keyboards and guitar in jazz band.
>
> Oh...and...uh...drum major...cough, cough...

That's OK, man.... It was considered a position of leadership, yes ? ;-)

<snip>

> No one was injured but a few of the old band instruments were
> beyond repair.
>
> I have never heard cheering like that since.


Must have been tubas and French horns..... <g>

DM


Jay Kahrs

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Feb 22, 2001, 12:51:51 AM2/22/01
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>My senior year, we had a big pep rally on the football field. The entire
>school of 2500 people occupied the stands. During the pep rally, they
>had a "Battle of the Classes" where each grade selected 5 people to push
>VW Bugs around the track in a race. The jazz band played on the infield
>near the finish line. Well, as the sophomore class came in, they
>suddenly lost control of their "steed" and it plowed into the midst of
>the band. No one was injured but a few of the old band instruments were
>beyond repair.
>
>I have never heard cheering like that since.
>

That must have looked great! Nothing like that ever happened at my school.

Lorin David Schultz

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Feb 25, 2001, 8:17:43 AM2/25/01
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Garthrr wrote:
>
> Hmmm, my RNC has a sidechain. Doesnt yours?

I guess I missed that, since I don't even own one. I haven't yet found
a way to make an RNC, a power supply, and two Isomax units fit tidily
into 1U. It's possible, but it's messy.

My point was simply to pass along my priorities to Mark. If he's
building a new version, the sidechain input falls into the "handy,
useful, but not absolutely critical" category for MY applications. I
don't mean to imply that it's superfluous, just that it's lower on my
list of priorities.

I haven't read this whole thread yet, but I'd like to mention that I do
NOT feel the need to add brickwall limiters or any of the other extras
people have mentioned. The RNC is a damn nice compressor, let's leave
it at that. There's no reason for it to become the Really Nice
Everything But The Kitchen Sink. All I want is to be able to integrate
the existing circuit into a "pro" plant without having to kludge. That
means easy rack mounting, a built-in power supply with IEC connector,
and +4 balanced I/O. Those changes will add significantly to the price
all on their own. Anything else will just drive it up even further.

Lorin

Lorin David Schultz

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Feb 25, 2001, 8:27:04 AM2/25/01
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david wrote:
>
> Oh ya, there was one freekin good reason to be in marching band back
> then. Majorettes! They was all incredibly cute and their tiny little
> skirts barely covered their panties. Somebody say Amen!

Plpffff. You band dorks can have 'em. The football players (the reason
you guys had an audience in the first place) got the cheerleaders.

At least the quarterback did. Now that I think about it, they never
really seemed all that interested in us guys who made up the O-line...
Hey, where do I get me one of them brass blowey things?

Lorin

Lorin David Schultz

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Feb 25, 2001, 8:30:14 AM2/25/01
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Nate Tschetter wrote:
>
> [...] each grade selected 5 people to push VW Bugs around the track in

> a race. The jazz band played on the infield near the finish line.
> Well, as the sophomore class came in, they suddenly lost control of
> their "steed" and it plowed into the midst of the band. No one was
> injured but a few of the old band instruments were beyond repair.

Welcome to MY world. I played center. Most nose tackles are about the
same size, shape and weight as a VW, and I got run over by them fifty
times a game. No band instruments were damaged, but there were some
injuries...

Lorin

Earl Musick

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Feb 25, 2001, 9:32:05 AM2/25/01
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Lorin David Schultz wrote:

I can work around the wall wart, the only thing I would like to see
Mr. McQuiken add, is balanced in's & out's. Or offer an upgrade. I have to
run mine through insert's on the board, which is my weakest link in the
chain.
btw, Funk Logic offers a nice little rack for two RNC's. I'm waiting for
the RNCEQ & the RNCPRE, I understand keeping cost down, but it would be
nice to offer a balanced upgrade, for all of Mr. McQuiken fine equipment.

Peace!

Earl Musick
RockHouse Studio
http://www.reloadrecordcompany.com
http://www.mp3.com/EarlMusick
roc...@flash.net
If music ain't got an edge it's DULL


S. Warner

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Feb 25, 2001, 12:33:30 PM2/25/01
to

"Lorin David Schultz" <Lo...@V5V.com> wrote in message
news:3A99087D...@V5V.com...

> david wrote:
> >
> > Oh ya, there was one freekin good reason to be in marching band back
> > then. Majorettes! They was all incredibly cute and their tiny little
> > skirts barely covered their panties. Somebody say Amen!
>
> Plpffff. You band dorks can have 'em. The football players (the reason
> you guys had an audience in the first place) got the cheerleaders.

This is funny. Back in the day, in my own private Idaho (North Carolina),
we had a huge, kickass, marching band that won the national title twice in a
row.

Now I know that this is Twilight Zone material with the band being bigger
than the football team stuff. But it was true (at least then). We chose to
actually play competitions on weekends instead of running our show at the
football games. *Gasp*.

Anyway, half the ticket buyers would leave after the halftime show when we
*did* play. We got police escorts, tour busses, tons of media coverage,
excused absences from class, etc... And did this piss off the cheerleaders
and the sports dept??? You betcha', boy howdy.

But in addition to the majorettes, we had the colorguard. And they were
*so* fine that they looked like someone should put them on a plate and sop
them up with a biscuit!

It was good to be the king.

But I digress...

Bring on the RNPre before I go off and buy something I'll regret!

-Scott (Warner)


Barb Roy-Bridges

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Feb 25, 2001, 4:36:09 PM2/25/01
to
S. Warner wrote in message ...

>> > Oh ya, there was one freekin good reason to be in marching band back
>> > then. Majorettes! They was all incredibly cute and their tiny little
>> > skirts barely covered their panties. Somebody say Amen!
>>
>> Plpffff. You band dorks can have 'em. The football players (the
reason
>> you guys had an audience in the first place) got the cheerleaders.
>
>This is funny. Back in the day, in my own private Idaho (North
Carolina),
>we had a huge, kickass, marching band that won the national title twice
in a
>row.
>
>Now I know that this is Twilight Zone material with the band being
bigger
>than the football team stuff. But it was true (at least then). We
chose to
>actually play competitions on weekends instead of running our show at
the
>football games. *Gasp*.


Same here, Scott. Both in high school and in college, I managed to be in
places where the music activities were valued to a greater degree than
sports. In addition to, for the most part, putting me through school, my
musical involvements in college basically subsidized my existence:
clothes, a place to live (called "dorm parent" but, I had a huge
apartment in an *empty* building :-), good side jobs when I needed them,
even cable t.v.!

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