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Andre Engelhardt

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Feb 8, 2004, 8:36:56 PM2/8/04
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Hi all,
due to a limited budget I am currently only able to use a SM58 for all the
recording I do, which ranges from acoustic guitars, electric guitars and
bass, flutes and violins to singers singing rock and classical.

This is of course not very satisfying so my question is:

If you had to chose 4 low-budget (up to $300 give or take 50 a piece) which
ones would you get? There have been so many new low budget mics lately here
in Germany (Thoman makes a lot of those) that I have absolutely no idea
anymore what to get. I would like 4 mics that are a good - or let's say an
acceptable choice for a lot of different tasks. Allround-mics so to speak
..

Thanks in advance!

-Andre

Jonny Durango

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Feb 8, 2004, 9:27:42 PM2/8/04
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sm57's will be the best for instruments.....get a few of them and use the
58's for vocals and bassier instruments and you'll do fine.

you may also want to consider spending all your money on one really high
quality mic like a rode nt4 ....you can probably find one on ebay for around
$300 ...good luck!

--

Jonny Durango

http://www.soundclick.com/ratcitymusic.htm

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Glen

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Feb 9, 2004, 8:47:24 AM2/9/04
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i think the Behringer B-1 is a great microphone. it's no Neumann, but it's
quite cheap (under 100$US on ebay), and it's given me great sound for
vocals, acoustic guitars, violin, cello, and even drums !

for the rest, i use (like 80% of the people here) SM57's. they're just great
and reliable all-around, and not so expensive...

Glen.

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Arny Krueger

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Feb 9, 2004, 8:40:37 AM2/9/04
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"Andre Engelhardt" <an...@eternaltedium.com> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
> due to a limited budget I am currently only able to use a SM58 for
> all the recording I do, which ranges from acoustic guitars, electric
> guitars and bass, flutes and violins to singers singing rock and
> classical.
>
> This is of course not very satisfying so my question is:
>
> If you had to chose 4 low-budget (up to $300 give or take 50 a piece)
> which ones would you get?

(1) Behringer ECM 8000
(2) Marshall MXL 603
(3) SM57 w/external pop filter or SM58.
(4) open

Andre Engelhardt

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Feb 10, 2004, 12:40:47 AM2/10/04
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Thanks a lot for your recommendations. I think I will indeed get a couple
sm57's and one high quality mic.

rock on,
-Andre

On 2004-02-09 03:27:42 +0100, "Jonny Durango"
<jonnybush_from...@comcast.net> said:

> sm57's will be the best for instruments.....get a few of them and use the
> 58's for vocals and bassier instruments and you'll do fine.
>
> you may also want to consider spending all your money on one really high
> quality mic like a rode nt4 ....you can probably find one on ebay for
around
> $300 ...good luck!
>
> --
>
> Jonny Durango
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/ratcitymusic.htm

Andre Engelhardt

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Feb 11, 2004, 12:47:45 AM2/11/04
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Behringer ECM 8000? A measurement microphone for 30 bucks? Something
tells me something has to be wrong with this thing. And what would you
recommend to use it for? I've never had a high opinion on Behringer
after their shameless copying started back with their Mackie-clones. So
I am wondering, what microphone are they trying to copy with the ECM
8000 and how much is the original?
About the Marshall MXL 603, excuse me for saying it so direct but I
heard they suck? Any opinions?

T.I.A.
-Andre

Thomas Bishop

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Feb 11, 2004, 12:57:56 AM2/11/04
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"Andre Engelhardt" <an...@eternaltedium.com> wrote in message
> Behringer ECM 8000? A measurement microphone for 30 bucks? Something
> tells me something has to be wrong with this thing. And what would you
> recommend to use it for? I've never had a high opinion on Behringer
> after their shameless copying started back with their Mackie-clones. So
> I am wondering, what microphone are they trying to copy with the ECM
> 8000 and how much is the original?
> About the Marshall MXL 603, excuse me for saying it so direct but I
> heard they suck? Any opinions?

Well, I agree with Arny here. I have both of these mic's (not mikes) and
neither one "sucks." Yes, a measurement mic for $40. There is nothing
wrong with it except that some say it's noisy. I've never noticed as it's
been stuck inside a piano lid for its time with me. You can also use it as
a room mic, for recording orchestra (works with a Jecklin setup as it's an
omni), or for its intended purpose as a measurement mic. I never had a high
opinion either until I realized they were getting pretty darn good copies of
decent gear. It's a great company that provides decent gear to
budget-oriented people.

As for the 603, it also does not suck. I use a matched pair all the time
for recording handbells, orchestra, choir, and as audience response mic's at
my church. I think the top end is a little harsh, but that can be said for
any cheap Chinese condensor. I'm saving up for another Earthworks, but it's
a little out of your budget (although I'll be buying the sr69 from
sonicsense.com for $365).


Andre Engelhardt

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Feb 11, 2004, 1:21:21 AM2/11/04
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On 2004-02-11 06:57:56 +0100, "Thomas Bishop"
<SPAMAWAYbi...@sbcglobal.net> said:

Thanks for your opinion, I guess I will just bother my favorite music
store again until they let me try a selection of mic's out for a week
or two.

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WillStG

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Feb 11, 2004, 2:00:48 AM2/11/04
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<< > "Andre Engelhardt" <an...@eternaltedium.com> wrote in message
>> Behringer ECM 8000? A measurement microphone for 30 bucks? Something tells
me something has to be wrong with this thing. And what would you recommend to
use it for? >>

Drums, percussion, guitar, Harvey Gerst says he's liked it on upright bass,
I think Arny puts them in pianos... It's a nice smooth sounding mic.

<< >> I am wondering, what microphone are they trying to copy with the ECM
8000 and how much is the original? >>

The $150 Audix TR40, according to Harvey who knows this kind of thing. But
apparently there are older versions of the ECM8000 that have transformers in
them, the newer ones I have and that Arny has don't have transformers in them.
If you hear complaints about these mics crapping out at high volume they might
have a different version of the mic. Harvey said about the ECM8000

" When I compared it to my Audix TR-40 (which I believe is made by MBHO), the
only differences I saw were these:

1. The TR-40 is black; the ECM8000 is silver.
2. The ECM8000 has gold plated XLR pins; the TR-40 does not.
3. One mic says Behringer; the other mic says Audix.

Those were the only physical differences I saw between them. It depends on
whether the cost of a law suit is worth it to the company being copied. I don't
think Audix sells a whole lot of the TR-40s, and for all I know, Behringer may
be buying the housings from MBHO, which would make it legal, unless Audix had a
non-competitive agreement with MBHO. Since MBHO offers the same housing as an
MBHO microphone, I doubt a non-competitive clause exists."

The mic is a bit noisy but has a hot output, and on loud sources the
noise shouldn't be a problem. Harvey says they actually have 10db more output
than the Audix TR40's do, and I have used them on acoustic guitar without the
noise being a problem.


Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

Scott Dorsey

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Feb 11, 2004, 10:13:32 AM2/11/04
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Andre Engelhardt <an...@eternaltedium.com> wrote:
>Behringer ECM 8000? A measurement microphone for 30 bucks? Something
>tells me something has to be wrong with this thing. And what would you
>recommend to use it for? I've never had a high opinion on Behringer
>after their shameless copying started back with their Mackie-clones. So

It ain't no B&K, but it's thirty bucks. It has a capsule that is a Chinese
copy of the Japanese omni capsules that a lot of inexpensive measurement
mikes use. It's a lot easier to build a good cheap omni than a good cheap
cardioid.

>I am wondering, what microphone are they trying to copy with the ECM
>8000 and how much is the original?

I think the original microphone using this general design was the Josephson
Series 5. But there are a lot of folks who have worked from that design.
I think Audix also makes a similar mike, and so does Crown. As far as I
know, they all use the same Japanese capsule. Earthworks uses a similar
capsule from the same manufacturer.

>About the Marshall MXL 603, excuse me for saying it so direct but I
>heard they suck? Any opinions?

I played with one, and it was no Schoeps, but what do you want for that
kind of money?
--scott

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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Dorsey

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Feb 11, 2004, 10:20:27 AM2/11/04
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WillStG <wil...@aol.comnospam> wrote:
> The $150 Audix TR40, according to Harvey who knows this kind of thing. But
>apparently there are older versions of the ECM8000 that have transformers in
>them, the newer ones I have and that Arny has don't have transformers in them.

The Audix is also a copy of the Josephson Series 5. Or maybe it's a copy
of the Crown that is a copy of the Josephson Series 5. It's hard to tell.

>" When I compared it to my Audix TR-40 (which I believe is made by MBHO), the
>only differences I saw were these:
>
>1. The TR-40 is black; the ECM8000 is silver.
>2. The ECM8000 has gold plated XLR pins; the TR-40 does not.
>3. One mic says Behringer; the other mic says Audix.
>
>Those were the only physical differences I saw between them. It depends on
>whether the cost of a law suit is worth it to the company being copied. I don't
>think Audix sells a whole lot of the TR-40s, and for all I know, Behringer may
>be buying the housings from MBHO, which would make it legal, unless Audix had a
>non-competitive agreement with MBHO. Since MBHO offers the same housing as an
>MBHO microphone, I doubt a non-competitive clause exists."

The question is who makes the capsule on the Audix? Is it Chinese or Japanese?
That basically tells you what you need to know.

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