Radar 24 to ProTools HD Transfer Info???
Jarrod (Jay) Doucet
I need to transfer a clients audio files from Iz Radar to Pro Tools Hd.
Im told the radar converts audio to a broadcast wav. file and then
those files can be dropped onto my firewire drives. My question
is, When I try to Launch the sessions in protools hd, will they pop
up automatically or will I have to go in and find every single audio track
and designate it to each track in protools? Has anyone
had any problems when transfering form Radar to ProTools HD, in regards
to losing tracks?
Thanks in advance.
Jay
Mike Rivers
> I need to transfer a clients audio files from Iz Radar to Pro Tools Hd.
> When I try to Launch the sessions in protools hd, will they pop
> up automatically or will I have to go in and find every single audio track
> and designate it to each track in protools?
Unless it exports a ProTools session (and as far as I know, this isn't
yet a feature of RADAR) you'll have to pick out every file and place
it on a ProTools track. If a RADAR track is full of punch-ins, you'll
have a file for each one and you'll have to remember to import each
one on to its track. The advantage of the Broadcast Wave format is
that you can tell ProTools to place the file in the correct relative
time position on the track.
> Has anyone
> had any problems when transfering form Radar to ProTools HD, in regards
> to losing tracks?
Only those who have lost their mind trying to find all of the pieces.
Documentation is the key. And if you don't know that you're going to
be importing to ProTools before you start, you probably won't
docucument the tracking process suffiently.
This is not a problem. It's all billable time, isn't it?
I'm really Mike Rivers - (mri...@d-and-d.com)
Jarrod (Jay) Doucet
Unless it exports a ProTools session (and as far as I know, this isn't yet a feature of RADAR) you'll have to pick out every file and place it on a ProTools track. If a RADAR track is full of punch-ins, you'll have a file for each one and you'll have to remember to import each one on to its track. The advantage of the Broadcast Wave format is that you can tell ProTools to place the file in the correct relative time position on the track. Hey Mike, thanks for the info.. That doesnt sound like a bucket of fun at all, especially having to select all of those tracks and placing them individually into protools. As far as billable time.. Well.. ..hahah its One of those deals.. Its friend of a friends favor.. Thanks again for the info.. Jay Doucet Doucets Audio Sales http://www.doucets.com
scott spelbring
I finally hit a wall where it was a real headache to import so I made sure that
everything was perfect in radar and then did a realtime transfer out of radar
into PT's I/O....takes a little longer but it was easy enough to let it run in
the background while working on other things.
scott spelbring | recording + interactive | dragonflyeast.com
John Noll
Damsel seems to be the best way to interface Radar with PT.
http://www.digitalaudiomiracles.com/
Haven't tried it yet, but it looks like a solid concept to me.
Any Damsel users out there?
--
John Noll
Retromedia Sound Studios
Red Bank, NJ 07701
Phone: 732-842-3853 Fax: 732-842-5631
Jarrod (Jay) Doucet
thanks for the info.. much appreciated..
Jay
>
> Damsel seems to be the best way to interface Radar with PT.
>
> http://www.digitalaudiomiracles.com/
>
> Haven't tried it yet, but it looks like a solid concept to me.
>
> Any Damsel users out there?
Jarrod (Jay) Doucet
My deal is we will have songs tracked on the iz radar. and
at the end of the session, we will need to dump someway
somehow, into a firewire hd. The studio I will be working at
says they do it all the time, with no problems. But I want
to get all of the info before I go to Nashville regarding this
stuff. When you did do the import thingy, did you have
to select each track and place it in the PT session or were you
able to just launch the session.. Another guy on the group
says to check out Damsel? Have you used this program?
Hey Man.. Thanks in advance and please feel free to email
me directly. j...@doucets.com
Jay Doucet
http://www.doucets.com
Mike Rivers
> My deal is we will have songs tracked on the iz radar. and
> at the end of the session, we will need to dump someway
> somehow, into a firewire hd. The studio I will be working at
> says they do it all the time, with no problems.
"dump" more than likely means back up the RADAR on the other hard
drive. Nashville has plenty of RADARs, so there's probably been some
sort of local protocol established so they can swap disks around.
I corresponded with the DAMSEL guy before Mackie came out with a
software version that let their recorers write BWF files, asking if he
was likely to come up with a DAMSEL for Mackie. He said he probalby
could but didn't say that he would, and that was the last I heard. No
need for it now, and in fact Mackie has a new (for more money, not a
free upgrade) additoin to the HDR24/96 that allows it to import and
export ProTools sessions which can be opened directly.
I don't know if RADAR has a built-in rendering function, which makes a
single, contiguous (and in most cases, necessarily larger) file of all
the little pieces of a track. If you can do this, you can create a set
of as many files as you have tracks which will make importing less
tedious.
Scott Spelbring's suggestion of a real time transfer is fine too if
you have the machine to transfer to.
Jarrod (Jay) Doucet
Cheers.
Jay Doucet
Doucets Studios & Audio Sales
Fletcher
>
>
> Unless it exports a ProTools session (and as far as I know, this isn't
> yet a feature of RADAR) you'll have to pick out every file and place
> it on a ProTools track.
The current software allows you to import and export shit in the broadcast wave
format with no problems.
--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
TEL: 508-543-0069
FAX: 508-543-9670
http://www.mercenary.com
"this is not a problem"
or playing the Dr. Laura of hum at:
http://recpit.prosoundweb.com
Fletcher
> Hey Scott.
>
> My deal is we will have songs tracked on the iz radar. and
> at the end of the session, we will need to dump someway
> somehow, into a firewire hd. The studio I will be working at
> says they do it all the time, with no problems. But I want
> to get all of the info before I go to Nashville regarding this
> stuff. When you did do the import thingy, did you have
> to select each track and place it in the PT session or were you
> able to just launch the session.. Another guy on the group
> says to check out Damsel? Have you used this program?
So... you're going to Nashville with just the files? May I humbly suggest that you
pop the half a yard and pick up a SCSI drive... bring your album on the SCSI drive,
plug it in the RADAR, mount the drive, and go to work. It saves a whole lot of
fuckaround time.
Personally, I don't trust digital storage unless it's in at least 3 places... so I
will store a session [album, project, whatever] on the internal IDE drive, burn a
DVD ram backup, and keep the main session on the SCSI drive. 3 places full backup.
If you're doing P-T when you hit Nashvegas... then you can do the dump in Broadcast
Wave Files and be good to go... though I really don't know why anyone would want to
work in P-T after working in RADAR... but it's a complex world...
Mike Caffrey
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> Unless it exports a ProTools session (and as far as I know, this isn't
> yet a feature of RADAR) you'll have to pick out every file and place
> it on a ProTools track. If a RADAR track is full of punch-ins, you'll
> have a file for each one and you'll have to remember to import each
> one on to its track. The advantage of the Broadcast Wave format is
> that you can tell ProTools to place the file in the correct relative
> time position on the track.
>
> Hey Mike, thanks for the info.. That doesnt sound like a bucket of
> fun at all, especially having to select all of those tracks and placing
> them individually into protools. As far as billable time.. Well..
> ..hahah its One of those deals.. Its friend of a friends favor..
>
It's not so bad if the files all start at the same point. Count the number
of tracks you're importing, create that many newtracks in ProTools and
drag them in from the audio menu. It's a real hassle if you have to line
them up.
Jarrod (Jay) Doucet
So... you're going to Nashville with just the files? May I humbly suggest that you pop the half a yard and pick up a SCSI drive... bring your album on the SCSI drive, plug it in the RADAR, mount the drive, and go to work. It saves a whole lot of fuckaround time.
a Pro Tools rig, so that I can then take the files back to my studio and finish it on
Pro Tools at my room. Someone mentioned Damsel, which is software that was
developed for this kind of stuff.. Im gonna check that out and see whats happening
there..
The thought of having to line up 48 tracks of music on each song definitely sucks.
What I may do, if thats gonna happen, is rent 6 interfaces and play
the audio in via lightpipe in realtime.. .. Thanks for the info..
Regards,
Jay
Mike Rivers
> > Unless it exports a ProTools session (and as far as I know, this isn't
> > yet a feature of RADAR) you'll have to pick out every file and place
> > it on a ProTools track.
>
> The current software allows you to import and export shit in the broadcast wave
> format with no problems.
So you'd have a format that could be imported into ProTools, but don't
you still hae to do it a track (or a file, if a track contains more
than one file) at a time? BWF contains time information, but I don't
think there's anything other than a name that can be read by a human
(though not by ProTools) that says that this file goes into Track 16.
Does RADAR have a built-in rendering function, that creates a new file
from all the files that make up a track? That can save a lot of time
(and waste a lot of disk space) if you have a lot of punch-ins on your
tracks.
lanis lebaron & hank alrich
> I will be cutting in Nashville on the IZ Radar.. and then dumping to a
> Pro Tools rig, so that I can then take the files back to my studio and
> finish it on Pro Tools at my room. Someone mentioned Damsel, which is
> software that was developed for this kind of stuff.. Im gonna check that
> out and see whats happening there..
> The thought of having to line up 48 tracks of music on each song
> definitely sucks. What I may do, if thats gonna happen, is rent 6
> interfaces and play the audio in via lightpipe in realtime.. .. Thanks
> for the info..
Jay,
Since you'll be in Nashville for the tracking why not do the transfer
into PT there, too? Then take drives with the tracks on 'em back to your
place, hook 'em up and start mixing? Nashville offer plenty of avenues
for Radar > PT transfers.
--
hank alrich * secret mountain
audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
"If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"
Fletcher
> I will be cutting in Nashville on the IZ Radar.. and then
> dumping to
> a Pro Tools rig, so that I can then take the files back to my
> studio and finish it on
> Pro Tools at my room. Someone mentioned Damsel, which is
> software that was
> developed for this kind of stuff.. Im gonna check that out and
> see whats happening
> there..
I have no idea about "Damsel"... but you can dump Broadcast Wave
Files into a P-T rig in Nashville... then carry it home on
whatever will be compatible with your home system.
>
>
> The thought of having to line up 48 tracks of music on each
> song definitely sucks.
> What I may do, if thats gonna happen, is rent 6 interfaces and
> play
> the audio in via lightpipe in realtime.. .. Thanks for the
> info..
>
The thought of 48 tracks of music on a song sucks to me... but
with BWF file transfers, you won't have to go through the
mischegas you've outlined above.
Bobby Longsocks
Radar - to - Pro-Tools
http://www.digitalaudiomiracles.com/
check it out.
Bobby
scott spelbring
me from the iZ folks. Due to low client demand we never dropped the $750 on the
software. I've heard nothing but great things about it!
-scott
Bobby Longsocks
sco...@aol.comnojunk says...
crap, cause their product is really quite brilliant, if you're commonly
switching between both mediums, it is an absolute must have.
Bobby
Mike Rivers
> > Looks like you've got a lot of good info here. Damsel was also recommended to
> > me from the iZ folks.
> I swear it's a hidden jewel, their advertising department is obviostly
> crap, cause their product is really quite brilliant, if you're commonly
> switching between both mediums, it is an absolute must have.
I think it's one of those things that sells itself by word of mouth
within the RADAR community. If you have a RADAR, you've probably heard
of DAMSEL. If you don't have a RADAR, then you don't need the program.
If there isn't already a link to the program off the recordingtheworld
web site, I'd think that it would be worth a few bucks a month to them
to get one, however, for those who are just getting up to speed and
haven't yet become regulars in the club.
Jeff Chestek
that you import into PT.
I don't know what the studio had to do (they did it after I left for the
eve.) to export the tracks, but they gave me .wav files that were
continous and all started at the same place-even had the SMPTE start
time as part of the filenames! They did need to use a removeable drive
and put that on a Mac to make the CDRs they gave me, but the studio
should be able to figure something out for you. I suggest you carry a
fat firewire drive with you on the plane back! Mucho faster than CDRs ;-}
Just create a new session in PT, go to the file menu and "import to
tracks" the audio into the session. Then you'll want to rename the
tracks, maybe rename the audio files, cut out the quiet
bits...............and so on and so on and so on..........
John Noll
> Just did it w/ ProTools mix system. Radar exports continous wav files
> that you import into PT.
>
> I don't know what the studio had to do (they did it after I left for the
> eve.) to export the tracks, but they gave me .wav files that were
> continous and all started at the same place-even had the SMPTE start
> time as part of the filenames!
They did need to use a removeable drive
> and put that on a Mac to make the CDRs they gave me,
Sounds like how Damsel operates. You pull the removable Radar Drive and
insert it into a similar drive on a Mac. The Damsel software reads the
Radar files and translates them to PT files.
Was this in Nashville?
Jeff Chestek
John Noll wrote:
>
> Jeff Chestek wrote:
> > Just did it w/ ProTools mix system. Radar exports continous wav files
> > that you import into PT.
> >
> > I don't know what the studio had to do (they did it after I left for the
> > eve.) to export the tracks, but they gave me .wav files that were
> > continous and all started at the same place-even had the SMPTE start
> > time as part of the filenames!
>
> They did need to use a removeable drive
> > and put that on a Mac to make the CDRs they gave me,
>
> Sounds like how Damsel operates. You pull the removable Radar Drive and
> insert it into a similar drive on a Mac. The Damsel software reads the
> Radar files and translates them to PT files.
I was under the impression that Damsel worked a lot like OMF, placing
individual regions on tracks as seperate bits and pieces. The export
function we used consolidates the audio from each Radar track into
single, continuous files that all start at the same place, easy to line
up with a "snap to" or "spot" function (the poor man's OMF!)
>
> Was this in Nashville?
>
I'm doin this in Philly, the original question was from someone
scheduled to work in Nashville.
Jeff Chestek
Seans...@attbi.com
"Jarrod (Jay) Doucet" wrote:
Hey Jay,
We are in the middle of just what you are doing.
Transferring 320, yes 320gb of Radar data into Protools.
Buy Damsel, we did 1 80gb drive without it, and it was a giant pain.
Everything still lines up due to the time stamping, but the bouncing between
drives and formats was a pain in the ass.
With Damsel, You pop in your Radar drive, it sees your Radar projects, you
can select which project or which tracks.
Pick a destination folder, get a sandwich and, and its done.
Then import the files to tracks or your region bin, just like you would any
other PT track.
once their in your bin, make sure your in spot mode, drag a file to a track
it will prompt you to choose the original location, and it pops into place.
Damsel also allows you to send any or all tracks back into Radar in its
proprietary format.
Good luck,
Sean McDonald
Sofa King Music Services