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Waves L316 vs BBE's D82 Sonic Maximizer

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mjs

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May 12, 2008, 8:16:32 PM5/12/08
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I'm curious to know how the BBE D82 Sonic Maximizer
http://www.bbesound.com/products/maxim/D82/index.asp

...compares to the Waves L316?
http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=3173

Anyone have any experience with *both*? (If not the DB2, then maybe the
original?)


Max Arwood

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May 13, 2008, 2:40:49 AM5/13/08
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BBE D82 Sonic Maximizer
Restores the high frequency definition and detail of a sound.

Waves L316
It is a volume booster (16 band limiter)

Apples and Oranges. Both tase good, but not the same.
Max Arwood


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Scott Dorsey

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May 13, 2008, 9:17:25 AM5/13/08
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Max Arwood <marwoo...@hnb.com> wrote:
>BBE D82 Sonic Maximizer
>Restores the high frequency definition and detail of a sound.

I wouldn't call it that. It adds high order harmonics to add artificial
brightness to sound. It produces the kind of distortion that people disliked
in early transistor electronics, basically.

>Waves L316
>It is a volume booster (16 band limiter)

Well, it's more than that, but you can use it for that.
--scott

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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Fraser

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May 13, 2008, 4:07:19 PM5/13/08
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<< It produces the kind of distortion that people disliked in early
transistor electronics, basically.>>

And which people are faithfully recreating as vintage boutique units
now.

Scott Fraser

Ricky Hunt

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May 13, 2008, 6:53:45 PM5/13/08
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"mjs" <n...@thanks.com> wrote in message
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> I'm curious to know how the BBE D82 Sonic Maximizer
> http://www.bbesound.com/products/maxim/D82/index.asp

I defer to Scott Dorsey but the Sonic Maximizer I remember worked by
"delaying the low frequencies in respect to the high frequencies so they
could 'get out first'" which was ad-speak and possible/probable BS but as
Scott said it just brightened the sound. If you poke around you can find a
freebie by rgc audio that does much the same thing and you could emulate it
(even the actual way the ad says) with a few easy to find plugins (that come
with Sonar). If you're looking for a Waves L1 you can find a (legal)
bit-for-bit clone (freebie) here: http://www.yohng.com/w1limit.html or here:
http://www.betabugsaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=153 with a cooler GUI.


Scott Dorsey

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May 13, 2008, 7:51:59 PM5/13/08
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Ricky Hunt <rhu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>I defer to Scott Dorsey but the Sonic Maximizer I remember worked by
>"delaying the low frequencies in respect to the high frequencies so they
>could 'get out first'" which was ad-speak and possible/probable BS but as
>Scott said it just brightened the sound.

Yes, the manual for it says that it adds adjustable group delay, in such
a way that somehow magically counteracts the group delay elsewhere in the
system. It probably does do this, but the distortion is what makes the
sound.

The manual for the Aphex Aural Exciter _does_ explain that it works by
adding high order even harmonics, but the Aphex sounds different than
the BBE device. I'm guessing this is because the distortion spectrum is
different but I only measured the BBE, I never measured an Aphex.

>If you poke around you can find a
>freebie by rgc audio that does much the same thing and you could emulate it
>(even the actual way the ad says) with a few easy to find plugins (that come
>with Sonar).

I think of it as a salvage effect. It's a thing you use to fix badly
screwed-up tracks. And it can be handy for that, especially when dealing
with old archive recordings that have no top end.

> If you're looking for a Waves L1 you can find a (legal)
>bit-for-bit clone (freebie) here: http://www.yohng.com/w1limit.html or here:
>http://www.betabugsaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=153 with a cooler GUI.

Cute!

Max Arwood

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May 14, 2008, 3:51:03 AM5/14/08
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Did not want to over explain to nub. I love the release character settings.
A good complementing feature. Wish I had a Quad core, I might use the L316
a little more!
Max Arwood

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