Warning! Audio topic! Loudspeaker/headphone/recording poll.
Audiofag
preferences, I have come up with some basic audio related questions.
Maybe this will even start a constructive discussion/debate. And
remember, this is all supposed to be fun, so no flames!
1. What is the best loudspeaker you have heard?
2. What loudspeakers do you own?
3. If you don't own #1, why?
4. What is the best headphone you have heard?
5. What headphones do you own?
6. If you don't own #4, why?
7. What is the best commercially available recording you have heard?
Thanks in advance for your responses.
Ciao!
Pinky
Arny Krueger
> Just to get an idea of the characters who frequent RAO and their
> audio preferences, I have come up with some basic audio related
> questions. Maybe this will even start a constructive
> discussion/debate. And remember, this is all supposed to be fun,
> so no flames!
> 1. What is the best loudspeaker you have heard?
A friend's very large system.
> 2. What loudspeakers do you own?
NHT 2.5i
> 3. If you don't own #1, why?
Space and money
> 4. What is the best headphone you have heard?
HD-580
> 5. What headphones do you own?
HD-580
> 6. If you don't own #4, why?
n/a
> 7. What is the best commercially available recording you have
> heard?
Sheffield King James Version, brown cover CD
Yustabe Slim
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I sent it privately via email
tor b
>> 2. What loudspeakers do you own?
>
Our Krueger's a Christian, to wit
So soon beside Jesus he'll sit
The key to salvation?
Transubstantiation:
His system turns music to shit!
tor b
Bill Watkins
says...
Ol tor has written another ditty
While doin' his best to be witty
Arny's system he knocks
He's dumber than an ox?
By labeling his music as shitty.
So on this we'll give him a pass
'tho noting it as somewhat crass
So maybe he should desist,
This crappin' in our midst
Then go to the back of the class
Bill W.
Descended from Royalty, note
Thine Devil
Watkins) wrote:
> Ol tor has written another ditty
> While doin' his best to be witty
> Arny's system he knocks
> He's dumber than an ox?
> By labeling his music as shitty.
>
> So on this we'll give him a pass
> 'tho noting it as somewhat crass
> So maybe he should desist,
> This crappin' in our midst
> Then go to the back of the class
I think this may well be the worst one yet.
--
Devilishly engineered | Artful to music
Yustabe Slim
"Bill Watkins" <so...@toomuch.spam.com> wrote in message
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Please tell us about your system.
If you have published the info before, I missed it,
so please post it again.
Yustabe Slim
"Thine Devil" <Ink...@SPAMOFFlycos.co.uk> wrote in message
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Verse one is awful, verse two is atrocious.
Booby Wumpkins is lost in a trance
having taken this idiotic stance
that a cheap audio setup
is his perfect getup
and there's nothing at all to enhance.
WindsorFox {SS}
> Just to get an idea of the characters who frequent RAO and their audio
> preferences, I have come up with some basic audio related questions.
> Maybe this will even start a constructive discussion/debate. And
> remember, this is all supposed to be fun, so no flames!
>
>
> 1. What is the best loudspeaker you have heard?
Hard to say, many have their good points. I like the big Martin Logans
and the big 800 series B&W. Lowthers are very warm. I also really like
the Mirage M1 s.
> 2. What loudspeakers do you own?
Mirage M1. Go figure.
> 3. If you don't own #1, why?
I do, if you mean one I like better, they are unaffordable.
> 4. What is the best headphone you have heard?
>
I havn't sampled many. Sennheiser and Koss have some good models and the
Bose noise cancellers are cute with good base response.
> 5. What headphones do you own?
>
None
> 6. If you don't own #4, why?
>
What's the point?
>
>
> 7. What is the best commercially available recording you have heard?
>
>
Sheffield King James version LOL.
>
> Thanks in advance for your responses.
>
--
"The frozen North will hatch a flightless bird, who will spread his
wings and dominate the Earth. He will cause an empire by the sea to
fall, to the astonishment and delight of all."
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intellectual osmosis. As such, I must now cease our
conversation and move away from you before my intelligence
begins to drop. Good day." the Gord http://www.actsofgord.com
Bill Watkins
>
>
>Please tell us about your system.
>If you have published the info before, I missed it,
>so please post it again.
Conrad CJ-4 preamp, modified power supply (by me)
Adcom 5400 mosfet amp, 120 watts/ch, output transistors matched by me
Minimal circuitry was a factor in selecting the Conrad and Adcom, note
Yamaha 685 CD player
Custom two-way speakers, designed and built by me. Time aligned
and crossover consists of a single capacitor and single resistor.
A capacitor and choke feeding dual-drive for low bass.
Room damped moderately with Sonex and Echo-Muffs.
About one out of every 20 CD's I've purchased.
Had an Oracle table, MMT arm, Dynavector cartridge, and custom
head amp with NOS Telefunken "diamond bottom" tubes. Sold it,
may get another table shortly.
Bill W.
tor b
>I think this may well be the worst one yet.
From: "Yustabe Slim"
>Verse one is awful, verse two is atrocious.
C'mon guys! Give him a fuckin' break, would ya? Bill's latest has all the grace
and fluid rhythm of a laundry bag full of china banging its way down a long
flight of stairs! Geeze! You merciless critics, you!
tor b
Bill Watkins
says...
>
>
>C'mon guys! Give him a fuckin' break, would ya? Bill's latest has all the
grace
>and fluid rhythm of a laundry bag full of china banging its way down a long
>flight of stairs! Geeze! You merciless critics, you!
>
>tor b
Hey tor.. at least they are on topic. ::grin::
Marc Phillips
>C'mon guys! Give him a fuckin' break, would ya? Bill's latest has all the
>grace
>and fluid rhythm of a laundry bag full of china banging its way down a long
>flight of stairs! Geeze! You merciless critics, you!
Just for the record (and Bill), are you being sarcastic this time, too? Just
trying to save you some time later. LOL!
Boon
Johnny Canuck
"tor b" <torr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I mean, can you guy reply to a topic without slagging they guy.
Geez, its quote unbecoming of you guys to display how childish you are with
these posts.
JC
Thine Devil
<Johnny_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I mean, can you guy reply to a topic without slagging they guy.
>Geez, its quote unbecoming of you guys to display how childish you are with
>these posts.
None of us here like any other. I certainly don't like you.
Arny Krueger
> I mean, can you guy reply to a topic without slagging they guy.
That would require at least a passing interest in audio.
> Geez, its quote unbecoming of you guys to display how childish
> you are with these posts.
Contemplate the fact that the guy who wrote that *poetry* alleges
that he's a licensed psychological therapist. Gives new meaning to
the old saw about "Doctor cure thyself", doesn't it?
MiNe 109
torr...@aol.com (tor b) wrote:
Looks better in Courier!
Stephen
Cacophonix
>
> 1. What is the best loudspeaker you have heard?
>
>
>
> 2. What loudspeakers do you own?
PSB Silveri
> 3. If you don't own #1, why?
Too expensive?
>
>
>
> 4. What is the best headphone you have heard?
>
n/a
>
>
> 5. What headphones do you own?
n/a
>
>
>
> 6. If you don't own #4, why?
n/a
>
>
>
> 7. What is the best commercially available recording you have heard?
>
Queen of Sheeba - Respighi - Reference Recording
Joseph Oberlander
>
> Just to get an idea of the characters who frequent RAO and their audio
> preferences, I have come up with some basic audio related questions.
> Maybe this will even start a constructive discussion/debate. And
> remember, this is all supposed to be fun, so no flames!
>
> 1. What is the best loudspeaker you have heard?
Electrostatics - SoundLab. These things are monsters.(wall-sized, too)
Nearly tied at second place - Magnepan's large speaker.
Practical use (ie - you don't have a cavern to fit those monsters in)
would be the higher-end Tannoy or Genelec monitors.
> 2. What loudspeakers do you own?
JBL L-series. Modern equivalent is 4408A/4410A(fronts). I also have a
couple of Roland monitors for my computer, though those are likely to
be sold soon to upgrade to a pair of Tannoy MX2s. I firmly believe
that a subwoofer should not be required for music. The speakers should
be able to handle a relatively full range by themselves.
Movies, though, do often require a sub for impact of explosions and
such which would muddle the main speaker's sound.
> 3. If you don't own #1, why?
Sheer size and cost. Size, most of all. These speakers are huge.
> 4. What is the best headphone you have heard?
Humm - hard to say - I had a pair years ago with 2 inch drivers
and flat response from 20hz-20khz. Don't remember the brand name.
These are kind of like wine - you have to listen until you find
something that you like. Large drivers and good closed ear pads
are a typical feature for anyone serious.
> 5. What headphones do you own?
None. I don't have a portable player currently as my car stereo is
what I use when I'm on the move. The rest of the time, I like my quiet.
Music is as much about the notes as the silences between them, afterall.
> 6. If you don't own #4, why?
No real need.
> 7. What is the best commercially available recording you have heard?
Toughie - um - I like several recordings by Robert Shaw. They are not
the best technical recordings, but the artistry of the orchestration and
singers flat out blows away most of the competition. Most of the great
orchestras/conductors in the last 30 years or so are also in this
league, like Sanderling and Bernstein, not because past ones were
any worse, but that CDs became available to do seriously high-quality
recordings that could match their skill.
tor b
>I mean, can you guy reply to a topic without slagging they guy.
>Geez, its quote unbecoming of you
Johnny learn only this week Engalish. He do more goods next weak.
Yustabe Slim
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JC
Yustabe Slim
"Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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I didn't know that about Tor B.
Audiofag
so critical of your gear.
Ciao!
Pinky
"Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message news:<iKsT8.550$bB5.27...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>...
Audiofag
so critical of your gear.
Ciao!
Pinky
"Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message news:<iKsT8.550$bB5.27...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>...
Audiofag
so critical of your gear.
Ciao!
Pinky
"Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message news:<iKsT8.550$bB5.27...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>...
Audiofag
so critical of your gear.
Ciao!
Pinky
"Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message news:<iKsT8.550$bB5.27...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>...
Audiofag
Bill Watkins
says...
>
>
>Just for the record (and Bill), are you being sarcastic this
>time, too? Just trying to save you some time later. LOL!
The victory dance ain't over yet on the first time
around Mr. Phillips. Too bad.
Bill W.
Geoff Wood
"Audiofag" <audi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > 1. What is the best
loudspeaker you have heard?
The biggest B+W Nautilus.
> 2. What loudspeakers do you own?
KEF R105 Series 2, Home-built LS3-5a, Tannoy DMT-12
> 3. If you don't own #1, why?
$$$
> 4. What is the best headphone you have heard?
Not sure
> 5. What headphones do you own?
AKG 270S, AKG K141, Sony MDR7506, Sennheiser MD 28 (?)
> 6. If you don't own #4, why?
Probably $$$
> 7. What is the best commercially available recording you have heard?
Lots
> Thanks in advance for your responses.
You're welcome
geoff
tony loban
> "Thine Devil" <Ink...@SPAMOFFlycos.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 17:58:39 -0000, so...@toomuch.spam.com (Bill
> > Watkins) wrote:
> >
> > > Ol tor has written another ditty
> > > While doin' his best to be witty
> > > Arny's system he knocks
> > > He's dumber than an ox?
> > > By labeling his music as shitty.
> > >
> > > So on this we'll give him a pass
> > > 'tho noting it as somewhat crass
> > > So maybe he should desist,
> > > This crappin' in our midst
> > > Then go to the back of the class
> >
> > I think this may well be the worst one yet.
> >
> > --
> > Devilishly engineered | Artful to music
>
> Verse one is awful, verse two is atrocious.
>
> Booby Wumpkins is lost in a trance
> having taken this idiotic stance
> that a cheap audio setup
> is his perfect getup
> and there's nothing at all to enhance.
>
>
glass houses, sackman....
wumpkins is lost in a trance
having taken an idiot's stance:
that cheap audio gear
is just heaven to hear
there's nothing at all to enhance
"idiotic", dumbass?
(note to bill: i do not endorse the content of the above. i am just
giving this clueless ass a lesson)
Ricky E.
--
"Is everyone in this newsgroup as "expert" as you?"
"Oh, they wish . . ."
Wiley. "Non-Sequitur", April 14, 2002.
"Audiofag" <audi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Just to get an idea of the characters who frequent RAO and their audio
> preferences, I have come up with some basic audio related questions.
> Maybe this will even start a constructive discussion/debate. And
> remember, this is all supposed to be fun, so no flames!
>
>
> 1. What is the best loudspeaker you have heard?
> ***B&W 801 Matrix 3
>
>
> 2. What loudspeakers do you own?
> ***B&W 801 Matrix 3
>
>
> 3. If you don't own #1, why?
>
>
>
> 4. What is the best headphone you have heard?
>
>
>
> 5. What headphones do you own?
>
>
>
> 6. If you don't own #4, why?
>
>
>
> 7. What is the best commercially available recording you have heard?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for your responses.
>
> Ciao!
>
> Pinky
Yustabe Slim
"tony loban" <tony_...@email.com> wrote in message
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>
> wumpkins is lost in a trance
> having taken an idiot's stance:
> that cheap audio gear
> is just heaven to hear
> there's nothing at all to enhance
>
>
> "idiotic", dumbass?
>
>
> (note to bill: i do not endorse the content of the above. i am just
> giving this clueless ass a lesson)
Be happy with your cheap toys, and I do mean toys
Bill Watkins
tony_...@email.com says...
Tony said re Yustabe:
>"idiotic", dumbass?
>
>(note to bill: i do not endorse the content of the above. i am just
>giving this clueless ass a lesson)
I think ol' Yustie's from Nantucket
He's dumber than any a coal bucket.
It's a waste of time,
Like dippin' in slime
You might just as well say fuck-it. ::grin::
Bill W.
Descended from Royalty, note ccc
Thine Devil
Watkins) wrote:
> I think ol' Yustie's from Nantucket
> He's dumber than any a coal bucket.
> It's a waste of time,
> Like dippin' in slime
> You might just as well say fuck-it. ::grin::
Almost . . . almost . . .
Bill Watkins
Ink...@SPAMOFFlycos.co.uk says...
>
>On Mon, 01 Jul 2002 03:59:14 -0000, so...@toomuch.spam.com (Bill
>Watkins) wrote:
>
>> I think ol' Yustie's from Nantucket
>> He's dumber than any a coal bucket.
>> It's a waste of time,
>> Like dippin' in slime
>> You might just as well say fuck-it. ::grin::
>
>Almost . . . almost . . .
Perfection is perceived only by the more asstoot, note
Bill W.
Descended from Royalty
Yustabe Slim
I must have inspired him.
Thine Devil
<yusta...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> > I think ol' Yustie's from Nantucket
>> > He's dumber than any a coal bucket.
>> > It's a waste of time,
>> > Like dippin' in slime
>> > You might just as well say fuck-it. ::grin::
>>
>> Almost . . . almost . . .
>>
>> --
>> Devilishly engineered | Artful to music
>
>I must have inspired him.
I think I'll keep very quiet about that. :-)
Arny Krueger
> "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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>> Johnny Canuck wrote:
>>
>>> I mean, can you guy reply to a topic without slagging they guy.
>>
>> That would require at least a passing interest in audio.
>>
>>> Geez, its quote unbecoming of you guys to display how childish
>>> you are with these posts.
>>
>> Contemplate the fact that the guy who wrote that *poetry* alleges
>> that he's a licensed psychological therapist. Gives new meaning
>> to the old saw about "Doctor cure thyself", doesn't it?
> I didn't know that about Tor B.
There could be a humongous book about what you don't know, Mr.
Sackman.
Arny Krueger
> You have nice equipment, Arny. I don't understand why some people
> are so critical of your gear.
It's the audio equivalent of penis envy.
trotsky
That'll be a milestone.
Yustabe Slim
As is the situation for any other human, there is a lot more that
I don't know than there is that I do know.
I'm sure its the same for you. You are 'human', aren't you?
Yustabe Slim
Not many of us are envious over where you
have put it.
tor b
>Not many of us are envious over where you
>have put it.
Arnie comes home unexpectedly early one evening and finds Tom Noussaine in bed
with Mrs. Krueger. Arnie says: "You're my best friend, Tom. What the fuck are
you doing? That's my wife you're screwing. I mean, hell...I HAVE to!"
(Ba da boom!...But seriously, folks)
tor b
Arny Krueger
>> From: "Yustabe Slim" yusta...@comcast.net
>> Not many of us are envious over where you
>> have put it.
> Arnie comes home unexpectedly early one evening and finds Tom
> Noussaine in bed with Mrs. Krueger. Arnie says: "You're my best
> friend, Tom. What the fuck are you doing? That's my wife you're
> screwing. I mean, hell...I HAVE to!"
Yeah, sure. Clearly we've got a sex therapist here who hears so many
stories from his clients about people with dysfunctional
social/sexual relationships that he can't conceive of ordinary
monogamous heterosexual relationships, particularly those involving
people he fears and hates. When I read childish insults like this one
I wonder how much money I've personally cost him out-of-pocket, in
terms of his failed snake-oil audio schemes.
> (Ba da boom!...But seriously, folks)
But seriously, Tom has at least one lovely, intelligent, charming
(and needless to say, unmarried) lady friend who adores him and seems
to keep him pretty busy. I wish them the best of luck in the future.
tor b
>learly we've got a sex therapist here who hears so many
>stories from his clients about people with dysfunctional
>social/sexual relationships that he can't conceive of ordinary
>monogamous heterosexual relationships, particularly those involving
>people he fears and hates.
In your case, the appropriate word is *pity*.
> When I read childish insults like this one
>I wonder how much money I've personally cost him out-of-pocket, in
>terms of his failed snake-oil audio schemes.
>
Really?... Now that's a TRULY insane statement... Then again, we don't expect
apples to grow on pine trees, do we.
tor b
George M. Middius
Art said to Shit-for-Brains:
> You are 'human', aren't you?
We'd need a DNA test to determine that. Assuming there's any
untouched organic parts to extract DNA from, that is.
Arny Krueger
> "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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>> Yustabe Slim wrote:
>>> "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
>>> news:yqKT8.933$A53.42...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
>>>> Johnny Canuck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I mean, can you guy reply to a topic without slagging they
>>>>> guy.
>>>>
>>>> That would require at least a passing interest in audio.
>>>>
>>>>> Geez, its quote unbecoming of you guys to display how childish
>>>>> you are with these posts.
>>>>
>>>> Contemplate the fact that the guy who wrote that *poetry*
>>>> alleges that he's a licensed psychological therapist. Gives
>>>> new meaning to the old saw about "Doctor cure thyself",
>>>> doesn't it?
>>
>>> I didn't know that about Tor B.
>>
>> There could be a humongous book about what you don't know, Mr.
>> Sackman.
> As is the situation for any other human, there is a lot more that
> I don't know than there is that I do know.
> I'm sure its the same for you.
Not hardly. One does far better than you Mr. Sackman, if one even has
only a foggy clue.
> You are 'human', aren't you?
Right Mr. Sackman, but I don't work as hard as you do at staying as
stupid as I possibly can be.
Arny Krueger
>> From: "Arny Krueger" ar...@hotpop.com
>> learly we've got a sex therapist here who hears so many
>> stories from his clients about people with dysfunctional
>> social/sexual relationships that he can't conceive of ordinary
>> monogamous heterosexual relationships, particularly those
>> involving people he fears and hates.
> In your case, the appropriate word is *pity*.
Hurts that bad, eh?
>> When I read childish insults like this one
>> I wonder how much money I've personally cost him out-of-pocket,
>> in terms of his failed snake-oil audio schemes.
> Really?... Now that's a TRULY insane statement... Then again, we
> don't expect apples to grow on pine trees, do we.
I'll put this down as a direct hit by me, given your agonized
screams, "Tor".
tor b
>I'll put this down as a direct hit by me, given your agonized
>screams
Hearing things again, are you? Careful Arnie. You're close to the border where
Paranoid Personality Disorder becomes full-blown Paranoid Schizophrenia.
However, your perception of your stature in in life does remind me of a story:
This huge female elephant is clomping through the jungle brush when she gets a
leg tangled in some vines and can't move. After a time, a little mouse comes
poking out of the brush, and says, "I can gnaw through the vines and free you,
but if I do, you have to grant me one favor."
"Sure," said the elephant, "Go right ahead."
The little mouse squeeked with glee and gnawed through the vines. When the
elephant was free, the mouse puffed out his tiny chest and said, "Now for the
favor. I want you to let me fuck you."
The elephant roared with laughter. "Go right ahead. Knock yourself out!"
The mouse scampered up the elephants leg, tucked himself in under her tail, and
began humping and pumping away. Just then, a coconut fell from a nearby tree
and hit the elephant smack on the head.
"Ouch!" cried the elephant. "Shit! That really hurt!"
"Take it all, bitch!" said the mouse. "Take it all!"
Aesop T Bergson
Glenn Zelniker
>
>
> I think ol' Yustie's from Nantucket
> He's dumber than any a coal bucket.
> It's a waste of time,
> Like dippin' in slime
> You might just as well say fuck-it. ::grin::
Bill,
Let me get this straight. The reason your limericks don't usually
scan is because your criteria are rhyme and visual symmetry,
right? Is there a precedent for this or is this something you
came up with on your own?
Glenn Z
tor b
>Let me get this straight. The reason your limericks don't usually
>scan is because your criteria are rhyme and visual symmetry,
>right? Is there a precedent for this or is this something you
>came up with on your own?
There was this poor little kid who wasn't strong enough to hit the ball OVER
the tennis net, so he decided to change the rules and REQUIRE a bounce on his
own side first, you see, and...
tor b
tony loban
>
> Contemplate the fact that the guy who wrote that *poetry* alleges
> that he's a licensed psychological therapist. Gives new meaning to
> the old saw about "Doctor cure thyself", doesn't it?
mike is a very flawed doc
each day he puts on a sock
might he have 'mpd'
when he posts as tor b
and the treatment required be "shock"?
Arny Krueger
"tor b" <torr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> There was this poor little kid who wasn't strong enough to hit the
ball OVER
> the tennis net, so he decided to change the rules and REQUIRE a
bounce on his
> own side first, you see, and...
That's sort of like the "Audio Shrink" and DSP-based PhD who kept
getting nailed when they tried to discuss audio on an audio
newsgroup, so they decided to change an audio newsgroup into a
sockpuppet and poetry newsgroup, right?
;-)
trotsky
tor b wrote:
>
> >From: "Arny Krueger" ar...@hotpop.com
>
> >I'll put this down as a direct hit by me, given your agonized
> >screams
>
> Hearing things again, are you? Careful Arnie. You're close to the border where
> Paranoid Personality Disorder becomes full-blown Paranoid Schizophrenia.
How did you figure that out from the fucking furniture business?
tor b
>How did you figure that out from the fucking furniture business?
Watching people lying down on leather couches, of course. What else?
tor b
tor b
>mike is a very flawed doc
>each day he puts on a sock
>might he have 'mpd'
>when he posts as tor b
>and the treatment required be "shock"?
>
Not bad, Du... I mean, Tony
tor b
MiNe 109
Glenn Zelniker <gle...@z-sys.com> wrote:
Even then, he cheats! I copied an opus using the correct font and found
Bill uses superfluous punctuation to "even up the lines".
Stephen
Glenn Zelniker
>
> That's sort of like the "Audio Shrink" and DSP-based PhD who kept
> getting nailed when they tried to discuss audio on an audio
> newsgroup, so they decided to change an audio newsgroup into a
> sockpuppet and poetry newsgroup, right?
This poetry discussion has nothing to do with Arny; it started
out as a discussion about Bill Watkins's limericks and their
unconventional scansion. Arny, mistakenly thinking I have him
kill-filed, has repeatedly used this and a few related threads to
troll me. His wish has come true: here I am.
If your name appears in this thread's heading, it's because you
are often viewed as Arny's supporters -- even if that's not
always the case. But it's clear that, among other things,
"friends of Arny" has become a litmus test on RAO. And even if
you're not a friend of Arny's, I think it can be said that none
of you are friends with George Middius nor are any of you big
Stereophile supporters. This is important because Arny likes to
accuse his detractors of being acolytes of Mr. Middius or toadies
to John Atkinson.
Anyway, most of you probably know that I find Arny to be a cancer
on this NG. I focus attention on his technical errors because I
think he does far more to hurt the cause of objectivity than even
the most religious and zealous subjectivist. Why? Because he is
fundamentally dishonest and refuses to learn from his major
blunders, preferring instead to lie, defame, and distort in order
to avoid the appearance of being wrong. Hell -- he'll probably
claim *I'm* not the DSP-based Ph.D. he's referencing above. Those
of you who know me know that I'm methodical and honest and that
I'm no great fan of nor apologist for the high end.
I do not like being trolled and I therefore ask you to pass
judgment this one time. In the handful of public debates I've had
with Arny on technical matters, have I *ever* been "nailed," to
use his term? Or were our encounters more accurately described as
me thoroughly eviscerating Arny and exposing the gaping holes in
his knowledge for all the world to see? Furthermore, have you
similarly found it disgusting and repulsive that he will
subsequently come back many months down the road acting as if he
was correct all along and never believed any of his silly
mistakes in the first place?
Remember, this is not a matter of you vs. Middius or you vs.
Stereophile. I was content to ignore Arny and let him fuss and
fume, but it seems he's all too eager to have me fighting with
him again. Since he won't listen to me and is clearly begging for
public attention on this matter (hence the repeated trolls), I
urge you to sound off. Any takers?
Glenn Zelniker
Yustabe Slim
> Right Mr. Sackman, but I don't work as hard as you do at staying
as
> stupid as I possibly can be.
>
>
Bill Watkins
>
>Bill,
>
>Let me get this straight. The reason your limericks don't usually
>scan is because your criteria are rhyme and visual symmetry,
>right? Is there a precedent for this or is this something you
>came up with on your own?
>
>Glenn Z
Hey Glen.. I'm a renaissance man, remember the Infinity 80 and 90.
To answer your question, It's my own deal... There are
_many_ forms of limericks, some that don't scan, so what
with one more. It's just sort of a challenge to put on-topic
input into a form with equal line length (using courier
regular, #10) and rhyme.
In any event, here's one that will scan better, just for you:
Now Ghindi is quick with sarcasm
He rolled on the floor with a spasm
But our old pal Glen
Caught it on the chin
And fell in a rather deep chasm. ;-)
So there..
Bill W.
Descended from Royalty, note
Bill Watkins
says...
My balls don't too much bounce, note...
Bill W.
Descended from Royalty
Bill Watkins
smc...@mail.utexas.com says...
>
>
>Even then, he cheats! I copied an opus using the correct font and found
>Bill uses superfluous punctuation to "even up the lines".
>
>Stephen
What do you want for free here, Stephen ;-)
Bill Watkins
ar...@hotpop.com says...
tor speaks of rules around here? what a joke.
Bill W.
Glenn Zelniker
>
> Hey Glen.. I'm a renaissance man, remember the Infinity 80 and 90.
>
> To answer your question, It's my own deal... There are
> _many_ forms of limericks, some that don't scan, so what
> with one more. It's just sort of a challenge to put on-topic
> input into a form with equal line length (using courier
> regular, #10) and rhyme.
Really? Fair enough, I suppose. I was always under the impression
that an actual limerick was constrained by a particular scansion
and rhyme. Now I get where you're coming from.
> In any event, here's one that will scan better, just for you:
>
> Now Ghindi is quick with sarcasm
> He rolled on the floor with a spasm
> But our old pal Glen
> Caught it on the chin
> And fell in a rather deep chasm. ;-)
>
> So there..
I guess "Glen" and "chin" rhyme in yer nick of the woods. ;-)
GZ
Arny Krueger
"Glenn Zelniker" <gle...@z-sys.com> wrote in message
news:3D20BFF4...@z-sys.com...
> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >
> > That's sort of like the "Audio Shrink" and DSP-based PhD who kept
> > getting nailed when they tried to discuss audio on an audio
> > newsgroup, so they decided to change an audio newsgroup into a
> > sockpuppet and poetry newsgroup, right?
> This poetry discussion has nothing to do with Arny; it started
> out as a discussion about Bill Watkins's limericks and their
> unconventional scansion. Arny, mistakenly thinking I have him
> kill-filed, has repeatedly used this and a few related threads to
> troll me. His wish has come true: here I am.
Got any audio game, Dr. Zelniker? Didn't think so!
> If your name appears in this thread's heading, it's because you
> are often viewed as Arny's supporters -- even if that's not
> always the case. But it's clear that, among other things,
> "friends of Arny" has become a litmus test on RAO.
The work of Middius and as you put it Dr. Zelniker, his acolytes.
> And even if
> you're not a friend of Arny's, I think it can be said that none
> of you are friends with George Middius nor are any of you big
> Stereophile supporters. This is important because Arny likes to
> accuse his detractors of being acolytes of Mr. Middius or toadies
> to John Atkinson.
Only because that's the story that your actions tell, Dr. Zelniker.
> Anyway, most of you probably know that I find Arny to be a cancer
> on this NG.
Regrettably Dr. Zelniker, you are so inactive and irrelevant as to
not even be metaphorized into a case of cancer.
> I focus attention on his technical errors because I
> think he does far more to hurt the cause of objectivity than even
> the most religious and zealous subjectivist.
Dr. Zelniker, you may rant, you may rave, and you may plagiarize, but
you don't focus much attention. Got any audio game Dr. Zelniker? I
didn't think so!
>Why? Because he is
> fundamentally dishonest and refuses to learn from his major
> blunders, preferring instead to lie, defame, and distort in order
> to avoid the appearance of being wrong.
I'll leave that kind of action to Middius, Atkinson, and Zelniker.
It's what they do best!
>Hell -- he'll probably
> claim *I'm* not the DSP-based Ph.D. he's referencing above.
Hell, no!
>Those
> of you who know me know that I'm methodical and honest and that
> I'm no great fan of nor apologist for the high end.
But you suck up so good, Dr. Zelnker. One problem, other than lying
about me and only saying I'm wrong but not why, you're largely audio
content-free.
> I do not like being trolled and I therefore ask you to pass
> judgment this one time. In the handful of public debates I've had
> with Arny on technical matters, have I *ever* been "nailed," to
> use his term?
Obviously not in your own mind, Dr. Zelniker.
>Or were our encounters more accurately described as
> me thoroughly eviscerating Arny and exposing the gaping holes in
> his knowledge for all the world to see?
Dr. Zelniker, you claim to eviscerate me, and Atkinson and the
Middius acolytes claim that I'm been eviscerated. But where are their
biases and what do they know? Since your role around here is to be
Atkinson's apologist, why would Atkinson do anything but confirm your
claimed *victories*?
Nahhh Dr. Zelniker, you rant and rave about my alleged errors, but
you won't tackle me on the topics I deal with from day to day, and
you won't tackle me when it isn't for Mr. Atkinson's and/or Mr.
Middius's or one of their acolytes benefit.
>Furthermore, have you
> similarly found it disgusting and repulsive that he will
> subsequently come back many months down the road acting as if he
> was correct all along and never believed any of his silly
> mistakes in the first place?
Your problem Dr. Zelnker is that many of the errors you've accused me
of were due to your own misunderstandings, intentional or not, of
what I was trying to communicate. But why not let bygones be bygones.
Instead of the 473rd run-though of topics your muddled your way
through last year, why not tackle some new topic that I blundered
through this year? If' I'm as inept as you say, you should be able to
catch me in a blunder every week. This year is more than half through
Dr. Zelnikerm, so you should be able to find at least 26 new blunders
that I committed this year. Where are the 26 new technical blunders I
made this year Dr, Zelniker?
> Remember, this is not a matter of you vs. Middius or you vs.
Stereophile.
Dr. Zelniker, this is really about what a liar you are and what a
coward you are. If I'm really as incompetent as you say I should be
making technical blunders every week. Where are they?
> I was content to ignore Arny and let him fuss and
> fume, but it seems he's all too eager to have me fighting with
> him again.
It's just a matter of kicking over rocks until you show your face,
Dr. Zelniker. Why don't you stop hiding behind Bill, and face me
man-to-boy, boy?
>Since he won't listen to me and is clearly begging for
> public attention on this matter (hence the repeated trolls), I
> urge you to sound off. Any takers?
Dr. Zelniker you are truly a coward, begging other people to fight
your battles for you.
Arny Krueger
"Bill Watkins" <so...@toomuch.spam> wrote in message
news:ui1kigr...@news.supernews.com...
Agreed.
Michael M. Gindi
>Dr. Zelniker, this is really about what a liar you are and what a
>coward you are.
Give it up already, Krueger. NOBODY here makes up more shit or more lies than
you do.
Damn thing is, Arnie, I have it on good authority (I'll email the source to
you, if you want) that when you heard I came out in SUPPORT of reviewers doing
blind listening, and when I chastized another reviewer in print for relying on
long term audio memory, YOU were furious. Wanna know why, folks? Because
without enemies, without people who he sets up as his opposition, poor Arnie is
a nobody and he knows it. Some people stand on the shoulders of good men who
came before them, but Arnie thinks he has to climb up on a pile of self-created
boogey-men. Next case.
mmg
Glenn Zelniker
> Dr. Zelniker, you may rant, you may rave, and you may plagiarize, but
> you don't focus much attention. Got any audio game Dr. Zelniker? I
> didn't think so!
My, how you love to troll. You'll never listen to anything I have
to say, so I'll again leave this up to the court of public
opinion.
Do I "got any audio game?"
Just to preempt Arny's inevitable lunacy, though, I'll let the
crowd know that despite what he may think, he and I agree on most
technological and application issues so this is not a matter of
ideology.
> It's just a matter of kicking over rocks until you show your face,
> Dr. Zelniker. Why don't you stop hiding behind Bill, and face me
> man-to-boy, boy?
Shut up. I'm not the least bit afraid of you; I merely find you
incredibly tedious and vile.
GZ
MiNe 109
Glenn Zelniker <gle...@z-sys.com> wrote:
> Bill Watkins wrote:
> > In any event, here's one that will scan better, just for you:
> >
> > Now Ghindi is quick with sarcasm
> > He rolled on the floor with a spasm
> > But our old pal Glen
> > Caught it on the chin
> > And fell in a rather deep chasm. ;-)
> >
> > So there..
>
> I guess "Glen" and "chin" rhyme in yer nick of the woods. ;-)
This one isn't even even in Courier 10 point!
Stephen
Arny Krueger
"Michael M. Gindi" <mmgp...@aol.compost> wrote in message
news:20020701184734...@mb-cm.aol.com...
> >> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >Dr. Zelniker, this is really about what a liar you are and what a
> >coward you are.
> Give it up already, Krueger. NOBODY here makes up more sh*t or more
lies than
> you do.
No Dr. Gindi, as RAO's leading sockpuppeteer by your own accounts,
you're way ahead of me in the sh*t and lies department..
> Damn thing is, Arnie, I have it on good authority (I'll email the
source to
> you, if you want) that when you heard I came out in SUPPORT of
reviewers doing
> blind listening, and when I chastized another reviewer in print for
relying on
> long term audio memory, YOU were furious.
I seriously don't remember the occasion. Was it this century? Was it
under your name Dr. Gindi, or one of your sockpuppets?
> Wanna know why, folks? Because
> without enemies, without people who he sets up as his opposition,
poor Arnie is
> a nobody and he knows it.
Dr. Gindi, if you want a real thrill go to www.google.com look up
topics and components that are covered by both the Stereophile web
site and one or both of my two web sites. Say, the Card Deluxe. Now
notice that due to the fact that my pages outhit the corresponding
Stereophile pages, they come first in the google lists just about all
the time. I may be a nobody, but my web sites have a certain amount
of IMPACT. The opinion has been granted by independent parties on
Usenet that I have more credibility than John Atkinson. Sorry to rock
your cradle, Dr. Gindi.
>Some people stand on the shoulders of good men who
> came before them, but Arnie thinks he has to climb up on a pile of
self-created
> boogey-men. Next case.
Sorry, Dr. Gindi. Unlike you I'm not afraid of my own name. I may not
do everything *right* but I do it under my own name. You don't. End
of story.
Michael M. Gindi
>> Damn thing is, Arnie, I have it on good authority (I'll email the
>source to
>> you, if you want) that when you heard I came out in SUPPORT of
>reviewers doing
>> blind listening, and when I chastized another reviewer in print for
>relying on
>> long term audio memory, YOUwere furious.
>
>I seriously don't remember the occasion.
Sounds like what many liars say when confronted with the truth. Give it up,
Arnie.
mmg
Arny Krueger
>>> From: "Arny Krueger" ar...@hotpop.com
>>>> Damn thing is, Arnie, I have it on good authority (I'll email
>>>> the source to you, if you want) that when you heard I came out
>>>> in SUPPORT of reviewers doing blind listening, and when I
>>>> chastized another reviewer in print for relying on long term
>>>> audio memory, YOU were furious.
>>> I seriously don't remember the occasion.
>> Sounds like what many liars say when confronted with the truth.
>> Give it up, Arnie.
Dr. Gindi, you've got me confused with someone who gives a whit about
your paranoid speculations.
Dr. Gindi, if you've got some evidence, present it in public.
You seem to be a lot more interested in it than I am, so carry your
own ball, Dr. Gindi.
Goofball_star_dot_etal
Bill Watkins
smc...@mail.utexas.com says...
You expect them to scan along with even line length,
be on topic, and rhyme as well? Are you kidding?
Bill W.
Bill Watkins
says...
>
>John's dad say: "Cannibal no respect Pot Noodle"
Conahante say "Cannibal who late to dine get cold shoulder"
trotsky
"Michael M. Gindi" wrote:
>
> >> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
> >Dr. Zelniker, this is really about what a liar you are and what a
> >coward you are.
>
> Give it up already, Krueger. NOBODY here makes up more shit or more lies than
> you do.
"Thine Devil" does. And do sockpuppets count?
Yustabe Slim
"Bill Watkins" <so...@toomuch.spam.com> wrote in message
news:ui1t0b...@news.supernews.com...
Like a little child, your verse is meant to be seen and not heard.
tony loban
whatever you say, doctor
Michael M. Gindi
>Dr. Gindi, if you've got some evidence, present it in public.
Fine then. If I go out of my way and do that, thus reminding you of what you
claim you don't remember (what bullshit!) in return, you'll heed Devil's urging
and kill yourself? Sounds fair to me.
mmg
Arny Krueger
That's ludicrous, Dr. Gindi. Looks to me like, you were lying and
have nothing to show.
Bill Watkins
says...
>
>
>Like a little child, your verse is meant to be seen and not heard.
Sockpuppets should neither be seen or heard.
Bill W.
Yustabe Slim
"Michael M. Gindi" <mmgp...@aol.compost> wrote in message
That's a very mean thing to say Dr. Gindi.
Don't you understand that it would deprive someone else
of the pleasure of causing his demise?
Yustabe Slim
So, how does that relate to me?
Marc Phillips
>"Bill Watkins" <so...@toomuch.spam.com> wrote in message
>news:ui24b4h...@news.supernews.com...
>> In article <3d2102c0$1...@goliath2.newsgroups.com>,
>yusta...@comcast.net
>> says...
>> >
>> >
>> >Like a little child, your verse is meant to be seen and not heard.
>>
>>
>> Sockpuppets should neither be seen or heard.
>>
>> Bill W.
>
>So, how does that relate to me?
Or better yet, how does that relate to Hal Keitel?
Boon
Thine Devil
<yusta...@comcast.net> wrote:
>That's a very mean thing to say Dr. Gindi.
>Don't you understand that it would deprive someone else
>of the pleasure of causing his demise?
Christ, I wish. I wonder if I wind Gerg up enough we could get him and
Arnii in the same room and let them kill each other.
--
Devilishly engineered | Artful to music
Bill Watkins
says...
>
>
>"Bill Watkins" <so...@toomuch.spam.com> wrote in message
>news:ui24b4h...@news.supernews.com...
>> In article <3d2102c0$1...@goliath2.newsgroups.com>,
>yusta...@comcast.net
>> says...
>> >
>> >
>> >Like a little child, your verse is meant to be seen and not heard.
>>
>>
>> Sockpuppets should neither be seen or heard.
>>
>> Bill W.
>
>So, how does that relate to me?
I assume you are a sockpuppet, that's how. Otherwise please
state your real name.
Bill W.
Yustabe Slim
"Thine Devil" <Ink...@SPAMOFFlycos.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cv52iusvn5prjguji...@4ax.com...
On the other hand, they might emerge as best buddies.
Yustabe Slim
I have done so on numerous occasions.
I am Art Sackman's sockpuppet.
It should be common knowledge by now.
Thine Devil
<yusta...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On the other hand, they might emerge as best buddies.
LOL!
George M. Middius
Art said:
> It should be common knowledge by now.
Ferstler still doesn't know who tor is........
Bill Watkins
>
>
>"Bill Watkins" <so...@toomuch.spam.com> wrote in message
>news:ui28434...@news.supernews.com...
>> In article <3d211...@goliath2.newsgroups.com>,
>yusta...@comcast.net
>> says...
>> >
>> >
>> >"Bill Watkins" <so...@toomuch.spam.com> wrote in message
>> >news:ui24b4h...@news.supernews.com...
>> >> In article <3d2102c0$1...@goliath2.newsgroups.com>,
>> >yusta...@comcast.net
>> >> says...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Like a little child, your verse is meant to be seen and not
>heard.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sockpuppets should neither be seen or heard.
>> >>
>> >> Bill W.
>> >
>> >So, how does that relate to me?
>>
>>
>> I assume you are a sockpuppet, that's how. Otherwise please
>> state your real name.
>>
>> Bill W.
>>
>
>
>I have done so on numerous occasions.
>I am Art Sackman's sockpuppet.
>It should be common knowledge by now.
My apology, Mr. Sackman, and thank you.
Bill W.
Marc Phillips
>"Bill Watkins" <so...@toomuch.spam.com> wrote in message
>news:ui28434...@news.supernews.com...
>> In article <3d211...@goliath2.newsgroups.com>,
>yusta...@comcast.net
>> says...
>> >
>> >
>> >"Bill Watkins" <so...@toomuch.spam.com> wrote in message
>> >news:ui24b4h...@news.supernews.com...
>> >> In article <3d2102c0$1...@goliath2.newsgroups.com>,
>> >yusta...@comcast.net
>> >> says...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Like a little child, your verse is meant to be seen and not
>heard.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sockpuppets should neither be seen or heard.
>> >>
>> >> Bill W.
>> >
>> >So, how does that relate to me?
>>
>>
>> I assume you are a sockpuppet, that's how. Otherwise please
>> state your real name.
>>
>> Bill W.
>>
>
>
>I have done so on numerous occasions.
>I am Art Sackman's sockpuppet.
>It should be common knowledge by now.
Funny how you bring up the word "common" when talking to Bill.
Boon
trotsky
Thine Devil wrote:
>
> On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:52:07 -0400, "Yustabe Slim"
> <yusta...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >That's a very mean thing to say Dr. Gindi.
> >Don't you understand that it would deprive someone else
> >of the pleasure of causing his demise?
>
> Christ, I wish. I wonder if I wind Gerg up enough we could get him and
> Arnii in the same room and let them kill each other.
Wind me up? You flatter yourself. I'm the one that has you ducking
questions like the weasel that you are. How's that jpeg coming along?
How's Clerkie doing? What aspect of your dysfunctional family put you
on the wagon?
Like shooting fish in a barrel.
trotsky
Yustabe Slim wrote:
>
> "Thine Devil" <Ink...@SPAMOFFlycos.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:cv52iusvn5prjguji...@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:52:07 -0400, "Yustabe Slim"
> > <yusta...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > >That's a very mean thing to say Dr. Gindi.
> > >Don't you understand that it would deprive someone else
> > >of the pleasure of causing his demise?
> >
> > Christ, I wish. I wonder if I wind Gerg up enough we could get him
> and
> > Arnii in the same room and let them kill each other.
> >
> > --
> > Devilishly engineered | Artful to music
>
> On the other hand, they might emerge as best buddies.
Agree or disagree, George?
John Atkinson
news:<Tx4U8.1400$ky.62...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>...
> Atkinson and the Middius acolytes claim that I'm been eviscerated.
I am not aware of the "Middious acolytes" but it is fair to point
out that I have made no such claim. All I have done is respond to
Mr. Krueger's public criticisms of Stereophile and show that, other
than the occasional typo and the accusation that Stereophile does
not routinely do blind tests, these criticims are incorrect. Sometimes
the criticisms are based on a misreading of the magazine. Sometimes
the criticisms are based on a lack of reading of the magazine.
Sometimes the criticisms stem from Mr. Krueger's own lack of technical
understanding. And too often they stem from what appears to be a
deliberate mistatement by Mr. Krueger of what was written in Stereophile.
But I have made no claim that Mr. Krueger has been "eviscerated." That
appears to be his projection.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Anon E Mouse
On 2 Jul 2002, John Atkinson wrote: [emphasis mine]
> "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
> news:<Tx4U8.1400$ky.62...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>...
> > Atkinson and the Middius acolytes claim that I'm been eviscerated.
>
> I am not aware of the "Middious acolytes" but it is fair to point
> out that I have made no such claim. All I have done is respond to
> Mr. Krueger's public criticisms of Stereophile and show that, OTHER
> THAN the occasional typo and the accusation that Stereophile does
> not routinely do blind tests, these criticims are incorrect. [...]
Vous faites finalement amende honorable en admettant l'ividence.
--
Anon E. Mouse
Michael M. Gindi
Does this dialogue we had on RAHE jog your failing memory at all, President
Reagan...er...Arnie? I'm sure it's just a simple lapse of memory on your part.
Or maybe your newsreader failed. Or maybe you.... (yada yada yada)
-----------
From: "Arny Krueger" ar...@hotpop.com
>It sets up an all-or-nothing
>criteria that was contrived by a person I perceive to be a long-term
>antagonist of DBTs for audio equipment evaluation.
Wrong, Arnold. And I've so stated as much over a year ago right
here on good ol' RAHE in a post to my friend Jonathan Scull:
On 19 Jan 2001 22:27:16 GMT, in rec.audio.high-end
michael...@aol.com (Michael Gindi) wrote:
>What shocked both Lars and I was how those same 'differences'
>were utterly impossible to hear when we compared the perfectly
>synched players blind. The simple time lapse of a minute or two
>between presentations, combined with expectation and desire,
>was enough to create a pretty good illusion. And our 'copious notes'
>(had we taken them) would have sworn to the truth of a falsehood.
>With this in mind, I will not again trust long-term memory for small
>sonic differences as you do. For speakers? Of course I trust myself.
>For many vacuum tube amps and some SS amps? Again, yes. But
>for two solid state SACD players? Or for wires? Jamais! Never.
I've also come out in print in FAVOR of reviewers doing blind (and
preferably double blind, when possible) listening when initially
evaluating solid state components. Then, once a difference is
established, they can feel free to wax as poetic as they choose.
This has been my own practice for a good long awhile.
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Michael M. Gindi
>> Fine then. If I go out of my way and do that, thus reminding you of
>what you
>> claim you don't remember (what bullshit!) in return, you'll heed
>Devil's urging
>> and kill yourself? Sounds fair to me.
>That's a very mean thing to say Dr. Gindi.
>Don't you understand that it would deprive someone else
>of the pleasure of causing his demise?
A half hour or so of my time for Arnie's lief? The offer I made seems
reasonable to me. It's like the guy who goes into the auto parts store:
Customer: Can I get a gas cap for my Yugo here?
Owner: Sure. It sounds like an even trade
mmg
Michael M. Gindi
>Christ, I wish. I wonder if I wind Gerg up enough we could get him and
>Arnii in the same room and let them kill each other.
If the punishment is to fit the crime, we could lock them in the same room
together for a few decades and make sure they DON'T kill each other.
mmg