Has anyone own or has auditioned the $1,250 Adcom GFP-750 preamp? I
was looking through the October issue of Stereophile and saw it in the
"Class A" Recommended Components. Is it realy that good? Is it realy
in the same league as other preamps that they have reviewed and
considered to be Class A, such as the $15k CJ ART or the $10k ARC Ref 2?
Okay, okay, so I'm comparing "white wine" (solid state) with "red wine"
(tubes). Well, what about the $4k Sim Moon P-5, or the $6,500 ML
No.380S? Besides the low retail price, I was under the impression that
Adcom was considered to be mid-fi gear. Am I wrong? If I hear positive
things about this preamp from some unbiased audiophiles, I will have to
go down to the nearest shop and have a listen for myself.
The musical performance is what matters,
-Donald
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Before you buy.
Why rely on the opinions of others? Why not go and hear the GFP-750,
regardless of what other people say?
Adcom is fine gear. Do you consider Nelson Pass designs mid-fi? Adcom does
not deserve to be branded mid-fi, though popular the notion might be. I
suppose if the Adcom had a fancier case, 1" thick front plate, and priced at
$3250, there would be little hesitation. But is it only the price that causes
disbelief? If so, listen for yourself, and quit drinking by the label.
>In the early
>'70's, Bose was the epitome of "high end" audio, only to fall from grace
>when people began buying it in droves.
Huh? Bose was never considered "high end" audio, even if their 901 was
quite expensive at this time.
> Bose was never considered "high end" audio, even if their 901 was
> quite expensive at this time.
Considered by whom? I've met plenty of nonaudiophiles who believe
Birdhouses occupy the highest of ends.
George M. Middius
W Enterprises Northwest wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Has anyone own or has auditioned the $1,250 Adcom GFP-750 preamp?
Yes and yes.
> I
> was looking through the October issue of Stereophile and saw it in the
> "Class A" Recommended Components. Is it realy that good?
Yes.
> Is it realy
> in the same league as other preamps that they have reviewed and
> considered to be Class A, such as the $15k CJ ART or the $10k ARC Ref 2?
Beats me. I only compared it to two other pre-amps: BAT VK-40 and Bryston
BP 25. The Adcom was more transparent and thus I chose it. Also, it cost
significantly less than the other two. Both the BAT and Bryston have better
build quality, but sound wise, I preferred the Adcom.
> Besides the low retail price, I was under the impression that
> Adcom was considered to be mid-fi gear. Am I wrong?
Mid-fi, to me, is market driven products that cut corners with parts in
favor of advertising (or features) and have high visibility by the lay
public. When I questioned 10 of my non-audiophile friends about Adcom, none
of them ever heard of them. High-end = good sound and no gimmicks (price is
irrelevant). I think Adcom has succeeded in a high end product with their
preamp (I've never heard any of their other stuff so I can't comment).
Rest of my system:
Muse 9
Bryston 4B-ST
Hales Rev. 3
Cardas Neutral Reference Interconnects and Speaker Cables
>at the time, the 901 was regarded as a high-tech, breakthrough product
>resulting born mit research in acoustics.
Huh? By who? Re-read tests done at that time, or ask people who were in
the filed at that time.
>at the time, the 901 was regarded as a high-tech, breakthrough product
>resulting born mit research in acoustics.
Regarded as "high-tech" by whom? Julian (I never met a speaker I didn't like)
Hirsch? Norm (Buy some ad space and I'm all yours) Eisenberg?
>Greetings,
>
> Has anyone own or has auditioned the $1,250 Adcom GFP-750 preamp? I
>was looking through the October issue of Stereophile and saw it in the
>"Class A" Recommended Components. Is it realy that good? Is it realy
>in the same league as other preamps that they have reviewed and
>considered to be Class A, such as the $15k CJ ART or the $10k ARC Ref 2?
> Okay, okay, so I'm comparing "white wine" (solid state) with "red wine"
>(tubes). Well, what about the $4k Sim Moon P-5, or the $6,500 ML
>No.380S? Besides the low retail price, I was under the impression that
>Adcom was considered to be mid-fi gear. Am I wrong? If I hear positive
>things about this preamp from some unbiased audiophiles, I will have to
>go down to the nearest shop and have a listen for myself.
>
>The musical performance is what matters,
>
>-Donald
>d...@wenterprisesnw.com
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
>
>
>
>
>
>
I can't anwer your query. However, I want to congratulate you on initiating a
noninflammatory thread - in which a *real* question about *real* audio gear was
posed. You also got at least one relevant response - and a few digressions re.
Bose speakers. Far better, than the usual drivel that gets posted here which
has nothing to do with audio or music - only the perpetuation of personal
hatreds.
My own experience with Stereophile's rating system is that when used as
intended - namely as a guide towards possible personal auditions, it's a very
useful tool. If/when I see a product in a given class that's significantly
lower in price than others in the same class, it piques my curiosity. Of
course, when significantly higher-priced products occupy the "lower" classes,
this could conversely send up a red flag. That said, there's definitely no
substitute for extended personal auditions with musical source material that
you know well.
Bruce J. Richman
I have one. It is a remarkable preamp, specially in its passive mode.
Anything Nelson Pass touches, regardless of its price, is definitly not
mid-fi.
In article <8qf4f2$5ft$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Greetings,
>
> Has anyone own or has auditioned the $1,250 Adcom GFP-750 preamp? I
> was looking through the October issue of Stereophile and saw it in the
> "Class A" Recommended Components. Is it realy that good?
I really have to wonder what back door deal was made for it to end up
there. After reading the rave review, I have compared it to many pre amps
and found nothing special. Build quality, as with most Adcom stuff, is
crappy also. Its not a bad pre amp at all and perefectly good for the
money, but how it gets compared with top end stuff and put in Class A is
beyond me.
> Is it realy
> in the same league as other preamps that they have reviewed and
> considered to be Class A, such as the $15k CJ ART or the $10k ARC Ref 2?
> Okay, okay, so I'm comparing "white wine" (solid state) with "red wine"
> (tubes). Well, what about the $4k Sim Moon P-5, or the $6,500 ML
> No.380S? Besides the low retail price, I was under the impression that
> Adcom was considered to be mid-fi gear. Am I wrong? If I hear positive
> things about this preamp from some unbiased audiophiles, I will have to
> go down to the nearest shop and have a listen for myself.
>
> The musical performance is what matters,
>
> -Donald
> d...@wenterprisesnw.com
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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> in article 20000922061730...@ng-fo1.aol.com, AXY189 at
> axy...@aol.com wrote on 22/9/00 8:17 PM:
>
> > Adcom does
> > not deserve to be branded mid-fi, though popular the notion might be
>
> Products are branded "mid-fi" when they get too successful. In the early
> '70's, Bose was the epitome of "high end" audio, only to fall from grace
> when people began buying it in droves.
It fell from grace when other products came up that were far better and
Bose stuck to the crap designs that were good for 1965.
> Greetings,
>
> Has anyone own or has auditioned the $1,250 Adcom GFP-750 preamp? I
> was looking through the October issue of Stereophile and saw it in the
> "Class A" Recommended Components. Is it realy that good? Is it realy
> in the same league as other preamps that they have reviewed and
> considered to be Class A, such as the $15k CJ ART or the $10k ARC Ref 2?
> Okay, okay, so I'm comparing "white wine" (solid state) with "red wine"
> (tubes). Well, what about the $4k Sim Moon P-5, or the $6,500 ML
> No.380S? Besides the low retail price, I was under the impression that
> Adcom was considered to be mid-fi gear. Am I wrong? If I hear positive
> things about this preamp from some unbiased audiophiles, I will have to
> go down to the nearest shop and have a listen for myself.
PS, VTL makes a tube pre amp for around the same cost that is outstanding
in sound and super in build quality. I forget the model number, sorry.
>
> The musical performance is what matters,
>
> -Donald
> d...@wenterprisesnw.com
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
--
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Has anyone own or has auditioned the $1,250 Adcom GFP-750 preamp? I
>> was looking through the October issue of Stereophile and saw it in the
>> "Class A" Recommended Components. Is it realy that good? Is it realy
>> in the same league as other preamps that they have reviewed and
>> considered to be Class A, such as the $15k CJ ART or the $10k ARC Ref 2?
>> Okay, okay, so I'm comparing "white wine" (solid state) with "red wine"
>> (tubes). Well, what about the $4k Sim Moon P-5, or the $6,500 ML
>> No.380S? Besides the low retail price, I was under the impression that
>> Adcom was considered to be mid-fi gear. Am I wrong? If I hear positive
>> things about this preamp from some unbiased audiophiles, I will have to
>> go down to the nearest shop and have a listen for myself.
>
>PS, VTL makes a tube pre amp for around the same cost that is outstanding
>in sound and super in build quality. I forget the model number, sorry.
Probably the 5.5. They make a 3.5 as well with a MSRP, if
memory serves, of around $2,000.
Ed
>My own experience with Stereophile's rating system is that when used as
>intended - namely as a guide towards possible personal auditions, it's a very
>useful tool. If/when I see a product in a given class that's significantly
>lower in price than others in the same class, it piques my curiosity. Of
>course, when significantly higher-priced products occupy the "lower" classes,
>this could conversely send up a red flag. That said, there's definitely no
>substitute for extended personal auditions with musical source material that
>you know well.
It's my experience that whenever a higher-priced product occupies one of the
lower classes in Stereophile's rating system, it's usually because of a lack of
consensus, or more specifically, it's one product that polarizes listeners.
Some of the first SET amps reviewed are perfect examples...in fact, many of
them over the course of a few years have drifted and settled permanently into
higher classes (the Cary 300-sei integrated is, I think, one product that now
resides in Class A, but may have originally been in Class B.)
Conversely, I find that many giant killers that may be incredible bargains in
relationship to their assigned rating often "fall from grace" eventually. How
many times have we seen an addendum to the summary such as "after further
consideration, Class B, JA thought, was more appropriate"?
As for the Adcom, I'm sure it is well worth $1250. But is it as good as a CAT,
or an Audible Illusions? Or a Nagra? I had some experience with an Adcom
GFP-565 which, when it was introduced a decade ago for $800, was touted as the
best preamp for anywhere near the price. But a couple of years down the line
no one was talking about the 565 in such reverent tones. Why? Because, IMO,
Adcom, like Vandersteen and Infinity and a few others, offer products that make
very good first impressions, but don't continue to enchant years down the line.
Like I said, I can't speak for the 750, but Adcoms have always possessed a
slightly grainy treble that only becomes more noticeable over time. If I
auditioned the 750, I'd really pay attention to that particular attribute.
Boon
>VTL makes a tube pre amp for around the same cost that is outstanding
>in sound and super in build quality. I forget the model number, sorry.
>
And let's not forget about the CJ PV-10A, either, which goes for $1295.
Boon
>Products are branded "mid-fi" when they get too successful. In the early
>'70's, Bose was the epitome of "high end" audio, only to fall from grace
>when people began buying it in droves.
Don't you mean 'listening to it'?
--
The Devil
>>PS, VTL makes a tube pre amp for around the same cost that
>>is outstanding in sound and super in build quality. I forget the
>>model number, sorry.
>
> Probably the 5.5. They make a 3.5 as well with a MSRP, if
>memory serves, of around $2,000.
I think it's the 2.5 which is supposed to be quite good from what I've heard.
Though I personally would shoot for a used product in that price range.
I've wondered about the Adcom though. I see no reason why it can't offer
impressive sound quality, at its price point if used as a passive, but I'd sure
like to audition one in my own system.
Best Wishes,
Felix
>I had some experience with an Adcom
>GFP-565 which, when it was introduced a decade ago for $800,
>was touted as the best preamp for anywhere near the price. But
>a couple of years down the line no one was talking about the 565
>in such reverent tones. Why? Because, IMO, Adcom,
>like Vandersteen and Infinity and a few others, offer products
>that make very good first impressions, but don't continue to
>enchant years down the line. Like I said, I can't speak for the 750,
>but Adcoms have always possessed a slightly grainy treble that
>only becomes more noticeable over time. If I auditioned the 750,
>I'd really pay attention to that particular attribute.
My biggest problem with the 565 [as well as the 555] was veiling throughout the
spectrum; it always seemed like there was a wet towel hanging in front of each
speaker. Very quiet phono stages though.
Best Wishes,
Felix
Nail on the head. My first introduction to the 901 was through my ex-wife. She
had worked in a record-store in Boston a year or two before I met her, which
would make this around 1970. Bose installed some 901s in the store as a
promotion. After three months the staff presented an ultimatum: either the
speakers went, or they did. The staff won.
I went to listen to some. They produced some of the most horrible and unnatural
sounds I have ever heard. This has remained true of everything Bose I have ever
heard since, including the horrible, horrible system that came uninvited with an
Audi S4. My final wife refers to it as the Both Thythtem, and leaves the car
lisping every time she hears it. At the tine, I bought Advents, which I could
afford and were vastly better. Still have them, somewhere, though the tweeters
blew in the end.
p
>>From: viz...@bellatlantic.net
>
>>>PS, VTL makes a tube pre amp for around the same cost that
>>>is outstanding in sound and super in build quality. I forget the
>>>model number, sorry.
>>
>> Probably the 5.5. They make a 3.5 as well with a MSRP, if
>>memory serves, of around $2,000.
>
>I think it's the 2.5 which is supposed to be quite good from what I've heard.
>Though I personally would shoot for a used product in that price range.
It is the 2.5, thanks. It's also very, very good in it's
class. Surprisingly clean.
>
>I've wondered about the Adcom though. I see no reason why it can't offer
>impressive sound quality, at its price point if used as a passive, but I'd sure
>like to audition one in my own system.
I've heard both and have a strong preference toward the VTL.
The VTL pre-amps get very little attention but they are very, very
good.
>
Ed
>Nail on the head. My first introduction to the 901 was through my ex-wife. She
>had worked in a record-store in Boston a year or two before I met her, which
>would make this around 1970. Bose installed some 901s in the store as a
>promotion. After three months the staff presented an ultimatum: either the
>speakers went, or they did. The staff won.
LOL.
>I went to listen to some. They produced some of the most horrible and unnatural
>sounds I have ever heard. This has remained true of everything Bose I have ever
>heard since, including the horrible, horrible system that came uninvited with an
>Audi S4. My final wife refers to it as the Both Thythtem, and leaves the car
>lisping every time she hears it. At the tine, I bought Advents, which I could
>afford and were vastly better. Still have them, somewhere, though the tweeters
>blew in the end.
I recall the time I was first introduced to the 901s. The Salesidiot
described them as 'the best speakers in the world.' Back then I hadn't
spent 20+ years in publishing, so I still believed what people told
me. He was right about the technology being advanced, however:
distortions pedals and compressors would need years of development
before they could compete. I was listening to 57s and Leaks back then,
so the best speakers in the world came as something of a shock to me.
--
The Devil
>
>Regarded as "high-tech" by whom? Julian (I never met a speaker I didn't like)
>Hirsch? Norm (Buy some ad space and I'm all yours) Eisenberg?
>
Actually, the entire "high end" publications
industry of the time, tho Harry Pearson said
that there was one exception (I can't remem-
ber who).
greg pavlov
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>
>Huh? Bose was never considered "high end" audio, ....
>
Of course it was, tho lots of people would like
to disappear that fact now.
> Like I said, I can't speak for the 750, but Adcoms have always possessed a
>slightly grainy treble that only becomes more noticeable over time.
>
But of course: various people have designed Adcom
amps, and Adcom was so concerned about making
sure that there was a "house sound" demanded that
all of these designers built in a grainy treble.
>
>I really have to wonder what back door deal was made for it to end up
>there.
I am sure that there was no "back door deal."
greg pavlov
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>>From: viz...@bellatlantic.net
>
>>>PS, VTL makes a tube pre amp for around the same cost that
>>>is outstanding in sound and super in build quality. I forget the
>>>model number, sorry.
>>
>> Probably the 5.5. They make a 3.5 as well with a MSRP, if
>>memory serves, of around $2,000.
>
>I think it's the 2.5 which is supposed to be quite good from what I've heard.
>Though I personally would shoot for a used product in that price range.
>
>I've wondered about the Adcom though. I see no reason why it can't offer
>impressive sound quality, at its price point if used as a passive, but I'd sure
>like to audition one in my own system.
Especially offering balanced operation.
---
Most all brands now in Circuit City, Best Buys, etc
were introduced to the market by specialty stores.
It's the standard route for new companies. The
mass market guys have never excelled at promoting
a new brand. Bose took this route, then got a
boost with sales of the 901's, due to power-handling
ability, in the early days of loud playing by the
head-bangers. Their advertising expertise then
propelled them to the top ranks in sales, and they've
never looked back. It's easier to impress most people
than to educate them. That's where the big bucks are
in the audio business. Too bad.
Bill Watkins
I'd have to agree with that assessment. There are components that become
classics, and others that are "flavor of the month" raves but are rarely talked
about nowadays. A few years ago, the Michael Yee was one hot amp. But when
was the last time you've ever seen it mentioned in any audio mag?
> (Marc Phillips) wrote:
>
>
> > Like I said, I can't speak for the 750, but Adcoms have always possessed
a
> >slightly grainy treble that only becomes more noticeable over time.
> But of course: various people have designed Adcom
> amps, and Adcom was so concerned about making
> sure that there was a "house sound" demanded that
> all of these designers built in a grainy treble.
My problem with Adcom has always been the noticeable veiling throughout the
spectrum.
Aside from that, they are a great value.;-)
>as far as reviews go, the 901 was very positively reviewed in 'stereo
>review',
When did they ever give a bad review?
>i don't
>know if 'stereophile' reviewed them,
It was, and J. Gordon Holt hated it. He was honest enough to tell everyone
that the emperor had no clothes on, unlike some big buck advertising whores.
>My problem with Adcom has always been the noticeable
>veiling throughout the spectrum.
I'm very happy to see that you think enough of my posts to plagiarize them,
Duh-g, in fact I'm LMAO.
Subject: Re: Adcom GFP-750 preamp: Stereophile Class A?
Date: 09/24/2000
Author: Fear3000 <fear...@aol.com>
[snip]
My biggest problem with the 565 [as well as the 555] was veiling throughout the
spectrum...
----- end quote ------
Best Wishes,
Felix
> Too bad.
Booby, have you ever counted how many times each day you wind up using that
exact same phrase? Too bad.
Best Wishes,
Felix
---
No, have you?
Does it bug you?
If it bugs you, why so?
Why did you use it above?
TIA
Bill Watkins
>>fear...@aol.com says...
>
>>>From: bwat...@mounet.com (DDF)
>>
>>> Too bad.
>>
>>Booby, have you ever counted how many times each day you wind
>>up using that exact same phrase? Too bad.
> No, have you?
Booby, that's too lame to even be counted as a IKYABWAI. Too bad.
>Does it bug you?
Actually it makes me laugh.
>Why did you use it above?
..and you wonder why you're considered to be the dumbest fuck on this NG? Too
bad.
Best Wishes,
Felix
> ..and you wonder why you're considered to be the dumbest fuck on this NG?
Time was, that distinction didn't mean a lot. But Trotsky was right --
we've seen a serious dumbing down of RAO in the past few months. Not
just from the sockpoopets, either. Has anybody else noticed the
subliminal message embedded in most of Howie's posts, and all of
Druggie's -- "Stop acting like your smart, I am too, your know better
than Krooger and I!" ?
> Too bad.
I hope you realize that using that phrase in such a way that its
meaning corresponds to the context is likely to induce Boobytonia....
George M. Middius
Poor Feelie Weelie doesn't
have his own catch phrase,
so he has to use yours...
Marge
>and you wonder why you're considered to be the dumbest fuck
>on this NG? Too bad.
>
>Best Wishes,
>Felix
---
We've been there before Dipshit, and you offered "proof",
ran into a stone wall, and backed away, so the above
makes you a whiner and sore loser . Too bad.
Bill Watkins
> Has anybody else noticed the
> subliminal message embedded in most of Howie's posts, and all of
> Druggie's -- "Stop acting like your smart, I am too, your know better
> than Krooger and I!" ?
Proper English Grammar: RIP.
Howard Ferstler
>Poor Feelie Weelie doesn't
>have his own catch phrase,
>so he has to use yours...
>
>Marge
---
Feelie ran into too many stone walls...
Bill Watkins
>>>> Too bad.
>>>
>>>Booby, have you ever counted how many times each day you wind
>>>up using that exact same phrase? Too bad.
Usually people latch onto a single phrase and repeat it ad infinitum because
they're slow thinkers and try to hold on to what has worked for them in the
past...the very distant past.
I agree that "Too bad" has run its course and should be permanently banned from
the NG. Next to "My partner concurs" and "Hardly," it's the most annoying
thing ever said here.
Boon
> > Has anybody else noticed the
> > subliminal message embedded in most of Howie's posts, and all of
> > Druggie's -- "Stop acting like your smart, I am too, your know better
> > than Krooger and I!" ?
> Proper English Grammar: RIP.
I notice you don't deny the charge, Clerkie.
Oh, and one other thing -- there were more abuses of diction
(spelling) than grammar in the "message". Cat got your grammar book?
George M. Middius
> >>>using that exact same phrase? Too bad.
> Usually people latch onto a single phrase and repeat it ad infinitum because
> they're slow thinkers and try to hold on to what has worked for them in the
> past...the very distant past.
LOt'S!;-)
> I agree that "Too bad" has run its course and should be permanently banned from
> the NG. Next to "My partner concurs" and "Hardly," it's the most annoying
> thing ever said here.
Been there, done that. ;-)
George M. Middius
I figured you'd jump in here...
>I agree that "Too bad" has run its course and should be permanently banned
from
>the NG. Next to "My partner concurs" and "Hardly," it's the most annoying
>thing ever said here.
>
>Boon
Glad it annoys you.
Bill Watkins
**I dunno. There are a few timeless phrases. For example:
"....working tirelessly, to de-Kroogerize the USENET." has always
brought a smile to my face.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
>"George M. Middius" wrote:
>
>> Has anybody else noticed the
>> subliminal message embedded in most of Howie's posts, and all of
>> Druggie's -- "Stop acting like your smart, I am too, your know better
>> than Krooger and I!" ?
>
>Proper English Grammar: RIP.
Yep. That was George's point, even if he was uncharacteristically too
polite to bring it up.
>> Usually people latch onto a single phrase and repeat it ad
>infinitum because
>> they're slow thinkers and try to hold on to what has worked for
>them in the
>> past...the very distant past.
>**I dunno. There are a few timeless phrases. For example:
>"....working tirelessly, to de-Kroogerize the USENET." has always
>brought a smile to my face.
Agreed.
Boon
> **I dunno. There are a few timeless phrases. For example:
> "....working tirelessly, to de-Kroogerize the USENET." has always
> brought a smile to my face.
Pay attention now, please.....
George M. Middius
[This post reformatted by the Resistance, laboring tirelessly
to de-Kroogerize Usenet.]
> >From: "Doug Haugen" dough...@uswest.net
>
> >My problem with Adcom has always been the noticeable
> >veiling throughout the spectrum.
>
> I'm very happy to see that you think enough of my posts to plagiarize
them,
> Duh-g, in fact I'm LMAO.
You just didn't get it, did you Feerlicks.
OK, I'll spell it out:
I thought your comment was so dumb I included it as a FARCE.
I'm not LMAO. I'm LMFAO.;-)
I wouldn't call people who are far smarter than you Duh-g, Feerlicks.
Your just jealous, Mr. Poop.
'Lil Georgie can't be referring to my English.
I am a genius.
> I don't, Duh-g; though, I did enjoy getting a reaction out of you, genius.
As
> always, thanks for biting.
Uh huh.
Nice attempt at a recovery.
Too bad you're not that clever. You lose!;-)
>I thought your comment was so dumb I included it as a FARCE.
Pathetic.
>I wouldn't call people who are far smarter than you Duh-g, Feerlicks.
I don't, Duh-g; though, I did enjoy getting a reaction out of you, genius. As
always, thanks for biting.
Best Wishes,
Felix
I wrote:
>> I don't, Duh-g; though, I did enjoy getting a reaction out of
>>you, genius. As always, thanks for biting.
>Nice attempt at a recovery.
Duh-g, whatever makes you feel better about yourself; I have no problem with a
declaration preference.
>Too bad you're not that clever.
Yes, Duh-g, I'm clearly at an intellectual disadvantage as I watch you respond
on que. In fact, each and every time I read your utterly brilliant comments, I
feel truly humbled by your obviously superhuman cognitive prowess.
>You lose!;-)
> We've been there before Dipshit, and you offered "proof",
> ran into a stone wall...
By 'stone wall' you're referring to your inability to comprehend the written
word, and your obvious lack of intellectual honesty correct?
You lose. Too bad.
> ...and backed away...
LOL! After going after you in the course of [what was it, Booby?] 50-60 posts,
watching you trying to change the subject, in a desperate attempt to divert
attention from your own words, swaying in any direction you can only to be
confronted once again by your own stupidity, I felt there was nothing left to
say.
Worse, you got to a point where you actually tried to deny that you were
responding to my posts, as you kept on uploading comments addressed to me,
moron. Do you also recall falsely claiming that I killfiled your brainless ass,
only to have you explain that by saying it was me you really meant everyone but
me - I'm amazed that an imbecile like you can actually manage to walk and talk
at the same time!
Too bad. You lose.
> Too bad.
You lose. Too bad.
Best Wishes,
Felix
>
>>From: bwat...@mounet.com (DDF)
>
>> We've been there before Dipshit, and you offered "proof",
>> ran into a stone wall...
>
>By 'stone wall' you're referring to your inability to comprehend the written
>word, and your obvious lack of intellectual honesty correct?
No, I refer to your ignorance RE the JS debate.
>You lose. Too bad.
>
>> ...and backed away...
>
>LOL! After going after you in the course of [what was it, Booby?] 50-60
posts,
>watching you trying to change the subject, in a desperate attempt to divert
>attention from your own words, swaying in any direction you can only to be
>confronted once again by your own stupidity, I felt there was nothing left to
>say.
You were cornered, RE the JS debate.
>Worse, you got to a point where you actually tried to deny that you were
>responding to my posts, as you kept on uploading comments addressed to me,
>moron. Do you also recall falsely claiming that I killfiled your brainless
ass,
>only to have you explain that by saying it was me you really meant everyone
but
>me -
You lie Dipshit. Otherwise prove I stated you had
killfiled me. To assist your stupid and sorry ass,
the conversation took place the last of July, 2000.
Bill Watkins
Feerlicks writes: You lose.
Geez, Feerlicks, grow a brain already.
Nobody here is willing to help you with your inferiority complex.
>RE the JS debate
What does Jonathan Scull have to do with this?
>You lie Dipshit. Otherwise prove I stated you had
> killfiled me. To assist your stupid and sorry ass,
> the conversation took place the last of July, 2000.
Actually, it took place on 7/27/00, you senile old fuck.
It took me all of two minutes to find it:
Subject: Re: Did Marc Phillips play the race card?
Date: 07/27/2000
Author: Bill Watkins <bwat...@mounet.com>
In article <MPG.13ea653fd...@news.mco.bellsouth.net>,
z...@sunshinestereo.com says...
>
>> >From: bwat...@mounet.com (Bill Watkins)
>>
>> >OK Felix, you ask for it. I shall now add you to
>> > the "normals" casualty list.
>>
>Felix:
>How the fuck are you ever gonna live with yourself now!
>Zip
---
He does the "killfile" Zipser, remember? Saves face. Re-read the normals
"Handy-Dandy Face-Saving Guide."
Bill Watkins
------ end DN quote ---------
[sigh] We went through this post, line by line, two months ago, Booby, and for
whatever reason you still feel disingenuously compelled to run away from your
own words. Clearly you're telling Zip that I have you killfiled. There's
nothing left to say, idiot, other than...... You lose, Too bad.
Best Wishes,
Felix
>I wrote: You lose!;-)
>Feerlicks writes: You lose.
Actually, Duh-g, I wrote "Too bad" in reply, but no one claimed you knew how to
read, right?
Best Wishes,
Felix
Yes, I auditioned, compared, and bought it. It really is that good. I
don't think you can find any preamp that is more transparent in either the
active or the passive mode, at ANY price. You can find better features,
ergonomics, or looks, but not better sound (unless you prefer some kind of
audible coloration to transparency).
Actually let me qualify that just a little bit. I could easily believe
that a ML 380s with its built-in phono stage would outperform the Adcom
GFP-750 with an external phono stage, since there would be less of a
chance of ground loops or other noise creeping in.
But for CD or other high level sources you simply can't have more
transparency than a noise-free passive preamp, and comparisons in the
Adcom's active and passive mode show that you really don't give up any
transparency by switching to the active mode.
Oops, another quick qualification: if you only listen to your system at
the absolutely lowest volume control setting (i.e. less than 5% of max
volume) you might be able to hear very slight differences in left/right
channel balance. But then again if you often listen at that volume control
setting you have a problem with too much gain elsewhere in the system,
which should be fixed.
Ray
Nothing. Stop obfuscating.
>> You lie Dipshit. Otherwise prove I stated you had
>> killfiled me. To assist your stupid and sorry ass,
>> the conversation took place the last of July, 2000.
>
>Actually, it took place on 7/27/00, you senile old fuck.
>It took me all of two minutes to find it:
Good, you wasted two minutes, Dipshit.
>Subject: Re: Did Marc Phillips play the race card?
>Date: 07/27/2000
>Author: Bill Watkins <bwat...@mounet.com>
>
>
>In article <MPG.13ea653fd...@news.mco.bellsouth.net>,
>z...@sunshinestereo.com says...
>>
>>> >From: bwat...@mounet.com (Bill Watkins)
>>>
>>> >OK Felix, you ask for it. I shall now add you to
>>> > the "normals" casualty list.
>>>
>>Felix:
>>How the fuck are you ever gonna live with yourself now!
>>Zip
>
>---
>
> He does the "killfile" Zipser, remember? Saves face. Re-read
> the normals "Handy-Dandy Face-Saving Guide."
>
> Bill Watkins
>
>------ end DN quote ---------
>
>[sigh] We went through this post, line by line, two months ago, Booby, and
for
>whatever reason you still feel disingenuously compelled to run away from your
>own words. Clearly you're telling Zip that I have you killfiled. There's
>nothing left to say, idiot, other than...... You lose, Too bad.
Look at Zipsers time reference, it says "now". My reply
states "he does", _not_ what you had done before. I did
not say you _had_, or he _has_ killfiled. The time frame
of Zipsers' and my statement is running in present tense,
not past tense. The "remember" is addressed to Zipser, RE
he should remember his own way of "killfiling" adversaries.
Clearly, you are such an incompetent dumb fuck you cannot
understand simple time frame reference. That coupled with
your inferiority complex must be a terrible load to bear.
You lose. Too bad.
Bill Watkins
---
Did he remove the part you plagiarized, Dumb Fuck?
Bill Watkins
Ray wrote:
> > Has anyone own or has auditioned the $1,250 Adcom GFP-750 preamp? I
> > was looking through the October issue of Stereophile and saw it in the
> > "Class A" Recommended Components. Is it realy that good?
>
> But for CD or other high level sources you simply can't have more
> transparency than a noise-free passive preamp, and comparisons in the
> Adcom's active and passive mode show that you really don't give up any
> transparency by switching to the active mode.
I detect a slight loss when in active mode, but there also seems to be better
dynamics in active mode.
>Look at Zipsers time reference, it says "now". My reply
> states "he does", _not_ what you had done before. I did
> not say you _had_, or he _has_ killfiled. The time frame
> of Zipsers' and my statement is running in present tense,
> not past tense. The "remember" is addressed to Zipser, RE
> he should remember his own way of "killfiling" adversaries.
WHAT?! Not even Arn's tried to backpedal so poorly. You lose. Too bad.
Let's briefly review, moron:
You wrote [to me]:
>>>> >OK Felix, you ask for it. I shall now add you to
>>>> > the "normals" casualty list.
Zip made a comment:
>>>Felix:
>>>How the fuck are you ever gonna live with yourself now!
You replied:
>> He does the "killfile" Zipser, remember? Saves face.
Well, asswipe, how do I "do the killfile?" I've yet to killfile anyone,
including your disingenuous ass. Too bad. You lose.
> Clearly, you are such an incompetent dumb fuck you cannot
> understand simple time frame reference.
Err...Booby, please explain the possible relevance of the non existent time
reference, since event which you claim took place [ie. killfiling], *never
happened*? TIA
DDF, you said I was lying, and I reposted your original statement. Now you're
trying to do your best to run away from your own words, and I simply have no
interest in playing this game with someone who's too stupid to have even
finished high school. Next time you feel the uncontrollable need to spew vomit
on this NG, please consider the consequences, but then again, if you had the
capability to do so you wouldn't be the dumbest fuck here. You lose. Too bad.
Best Wishes,
Felix
>Yes, I auditioned, compared, and bought it.
>I could easily believe
>that a ML 380s with its built-in phono stage would outperform
>the Adcom GFP-750 with an external phono stage, since there
>would be less of a chance of ground loops or other noise creeping in.
Umm, Ray, AFAIK the ML 380s has no internal phono stage, not is a built-in
phono stage available as an option.
Best Wishes,
Felix
Booby spouted:
> > The "remember" is addressed to Zipser, RE
> > he should remember his own way of "killfiling" adversaries.
Felix quotes Booby from earlier:
> >> He does the "killfile" Zipser, remember? Saves face.
> Well, asswipe, how do I "do the killfile?" I've yet to killfile anyone,
> including your disingenuous ass. Too bad. You lose.
Really, Booby, can you possibly get more Krooger-like?
> > Clearly, you are such an incompetent dumb fuck you cannot
> > understand simple time frame reference.
Is that an IKYABWAI? It looks like the 'borgs & boobs brigade has
adopted that tactic as their standard. They may have to issue
Zippy an honororary membership too, based on yesterday's
performance.
> Err...Booby, please explain the possible relevance of the non existent time
> reference, since event which you claim took place [ie. killfiling], *never
> happened*? TIA
This is where Booby disappears, I bet.
> Next time you feel the uncontrollable need to spew vomit
> on this NG, please consider the consequences, but then again, if you had the
> capability to do so you wouldn't be the dumbest fuck here.
No wonder Druggie has taken such a shine to the Boobster.
George M. Middius
Thanks for the correction Felix. I was thinking of the ML No. 32, which
does have an option for an internal phono stage. Ray
Damn, you are a dumbass. You "do the killfile" by doing the
killfile at that time. You ask "Do you also recall falsely
claiming that I killfiled your brainless ass," Just show where
I said you had killfiled me, or you lied. That's _killfiled_",
not _killfile_. You cannot do it. Actually, I doubt you
know the difference in killfile and killfiled.
>> Clearly, you are such an incompetent dumb fuck you cannot
>> understand simple time frame reference.
>
>Err...Booby, please explain the possible relevance of the non existent time
>reference, since event which you claim took place [ie. killfiling], *never
>happened*? TIA
See above.
>DDF, you said I was lying, and I reposted your original statement. Now you're
>trying to do your best to run away from your own words, and I simply have no
>interest in playing this game with someone who's too stupid to have even
>finished high school. Next time you feel the uncontrollable need to spew
vomit
>on this NG, please consider the consequences, but then again, if you had the
>capability to do so you wouldn't be the dumbest fuck here. You lose. Too bad.
Prove your "Too bad" remark is not an IKYABWAI, dumbass.
Bill Watkins
>> Err...Booby, please explain the possible relevance of the non existent time
>> reference, since event which you claim took place [ie. killfiling], *never
>> happened*? TIA
>
>This is where Booby disappears, I bet.
---
NOT! Mr. Middius, it's where _you_ disappear, otherwise
you are chicken-poop.
Bill Watkins
It's because they are envious of you,
midjet. You are that lurid midyut.
It has a certain ring to it, eh? Oh,
forget it, you're all about diction and
grammar.
Joe
You are quite an excellent little
troll, fear. The moniker suits.
Joe
>You are quite an excellent little
> troll, fear. The moniker suits.
>
>
...I'll take that as a compliment.
Best Wishes,
Felix
> Mr. Middius, it's where _you_ disappear, otherwise
> you are chicken-poop.
Does your kindergarten teacher give you a shiny gold star every time you
refrain from using the brown word?
Best Wishes,
Felix
I wrote:
>> Err...Booby, please explain the possible relevance of the non
>>existent time reference, since event which you claim took place
>>[ie. killfiling], *never happened*? TIA
>
>This is where Booby disappears, I bet.
Nope, he just wrote a new batch of illogical, incomprehensible drivel, which to
be perfectly honest, I'm simply to bored to respond to. I'm just not sure
what's left to say. I posted a direct quote from Booby, in fact I uploaded the
complete post verbatim, and he doesn't even have the basic honesty to
acknowledge his own words. He clearly said one thing, but is now trying to spin
it into something only he claims to understand. Either way, he deserves no
direct attention from me. :-(
Best Wishes,
Felix
> > Mr. Middius, it's where _you_ disappear, otherwise
> > you are chicken-poop.
> Does your kindergarten teacher give you a shiny gold star every time you
> refrain from using the brown word?
Does anyone notice anything peculiar about Booby's little
pronouncement? Looks like another Alabama brain-fart.
George M. Middius
---
No gold stars, Dipshit.
Bill Watkins
Felix runs away, with the excuse "he deserves no direct
attention from me." He loses (see below). Too bad.
---
Lil' georgia chicken-poop with the feces fetish can't help you,
Dipshit. You are running away, after erroneously using my word
"killfile" as "killfiled", therefore you lose. Too bad...
Bill Watkins xxxfelix
Lil' georgie, the feces expert, sniffs
and identifies another fart. :-(
Bill Watkins
---
>You lie Dipshit. Otherwise prove I stated you had
> killfiled me. To assist your stupid and sorry ass,
> the conversation took place the last of July, 2000.
Subject: Re: Did Marc Phillips play the race card?
Date: 07/27/2000
Author: Bill Watkins <bwat...@mounet.com>
In article <MPG.13ea653fd...@news.mco.bellsouth.net>,
z...@sunshinestereo.com says...
>
>> >From: bwat...@mounet.com (Bill Watkins)
>>
>> >OK Felix, you ask for it. I shall now add you to
>> > the "normals" casualty list.
>>
>Felix:
>How the fuck are you ever gonna live with yourself now!
>Zip
---
He does the "killfile" Zipser, remember? Saves face. Re-read the normals
"Handy-Dandy Face-Saving Guide."
Bill Watkins
------ end DN quote ---------
>. You are running away, after erroneously using my word
> "killfile" as "killfiled", therefore you lose. Too bad...
Too bad you feel the need to run away from your own words, which clearly
illustrate your disingenuous nature, but DN, unlike you, does not lie. Your
post is here for all to see; people can draw their own conclusions. You lose.
Too bad. Live with it ;-)
Best Wishes,
Felix
Hurts to lose, doesn't it Dipshit? It's this simple:
1. Zipser asks a question in the present tense, "How the fuck
are you ever gonna live with yourself now!".
2. I answer in the present tense, "He does the "killfile" Zipser,
remember?"
3. RE the above, you ask "Do you also recall falsely claiming that
I killfiled your brainless ass,"
Clearly I said you would "do the killfile" not "you had killfiled"
You lose. Too Bad. And again, prove your "too bad" remark below
is not an IKYABWAI, you dumbass.
Bill Watkins
---
>1. Zipser asks a question in the present tense, "How the fuck
> are you ever gonna live with yourself now!"
That's rather obvious from the quoted text...
> 2. I answer in the present tense, "He does the "killfile" Zipser,
> remember?"
...ditto.
> 3. RE the above, you ask "Do you also recall falsely claiming that
> I killfiled your brainless ass,"
Sure, to use your own logic, since the event in question took place on 7/27/00
it was indeed in the past, hence the past tense. Duhh.
> Clearly I said you would "do the killfile" not "you had killfiled"
[I just can't resist...too bad]
That's because on 7/27/00 you were speaking about the present, and two days ago
I spoke about the past RE your post saying that I "do the killfile," and quoted
your own words to that effect. I've *never* killfiled anyone, moron, as I've
already told you on multiple occasions. Whether you choose to argue that "I do
the killfile" or "I did the killfile" has no relevance since the event in
question never happened! You lose again. Too bad.
>And again, prove your "too bad" remark below
> is not an IKYABWAI, you dumbass.
LOL, only RAO's DDF would try to ask someone to "prove" a negative. OTOH, your
not understanding why I feel Too Bad about your postings, eventhough George
graciously explained it to you a few days ago; I would have just left you
guessing, is proof positive of your DDF status. Keep going and I'll add another
D to it. You lose. Too bad.
Best Wishes,
Felix
Everything 'Lil Georgie does revolves around rectums.
Scarily, his interest seems to lie predominately outside his own
"sphere.";-)
Give up on it Felix. You ask "Do you also recall falsely
claiming that I killfiled your brainless ass," Show I used
the word "killfiled". You cannot, therefore you either
made a mistake or lied. You lose. Too bad.
Bill Watkins
-------------
>Everything 'Lil Georgie does revolves around rectums.
>Scarily, his interest seems to lie predominately outside his own
>"sphere.";-)
---
'Lil Georgie Poop has now taken to fart-sniffing.
Likely a dry spell on feces donations. ;-)
Bill Watkins
> Keep whinin' Dipshit.
I don't know if this will help you feel sympathy toward Feerlicks, but it is
a well known fact he has rabies.
Just FYI...
> Give up on it Felix.
I tried, but you kept on asking me to come back. I did, and kicked your ass
once again. You lose. Too bad.
>You ask "Do you also recall falsely
> claiming that I killfiled your brainless ass," Show I used
> the word "killfiled".
This is what I just illustrated, but if course, you ignored my comments only to
keep on mumbling the same damn thing. You lose. Too bad.
>>>1. Zipser asks a question in the present tense, "How the fuck
>>> are you ever gonna live with yourself now!"
>>
>>That's rather obvious from the quoted text...
>>
>>> 2. I answer in the present tense, "He does the "killfile" Zipser,
>>> remember?"
>>
>>...ditto.
>>
>>> 3. RE the above, you ask "Do you also recall falsely claiming that
>>> I killfiled your brainless ass,"
>>Sure, to use your own logic, since the event in question took
>>place on 7/27/00 it was indeed in the past, hence the past
>>tense. Duhh.
Case and point, moron - shot down by your own "defence." Too bad. You lose.
>>I spoke about the past RE your post saying that I "do the killfile,"
>>and quoted your own words to that effect. I've *never* killfiled
>>anyone, moron, as I've already told you on multiple
>>occasions. Whether you choose to argue that "I do the killfile" or
>>"I did the killfile" has no relevance since the event in
>>question never happened! You lose again. Too bad.
Too bad. You lose.
Best Wishes,
Felix
LOL! And we thought
all that foam around
his mouth was from the
beer!
Marge
> In article <bU6B5.265$%M1.2...@news.uswest.net>, dough...@uswest.net
> says...
>
> >Everything 'Lil Georgie does revolves around rectums.
> >Scarily, his interest seems to lie predominately outside his own
> >"sphere.";-)
> 'Lil Georgie Poop has now taken to fart-sniffing.
> Likely a dry spell on feces donations. ;-)
My guess?
It's more like sniffing the corks from wine bottles for him.;-)
> LOL! And we thought
> all that foam around
> his mouth was from the
> beer!
Even I won't touch that one.
---
Ahaaa... Marge suspected froth due to too much beer, and I
had suspected fleas. Maybe if Feerlicks tones it down on
the whinin'. I'll cut him a little slack. ;-)
Bill Watkins
>"Bill Watkins" wrote:
>> 'Lil Georgie Poop has now taken to fart-sniffing.
>> Likely a dry spell on feces donations. ;-)
>My guess?
>
>It's more like sniffing the corks from wine bottles for him.;-)
---
Lil' Georgie thinks a serial port is a red wine you
put on corn flakes for breakfast...
Bill Watkins
Yes, it's the thought that
counts...
Marge
Flealicks may have hitched
a ride out of town on the
last dog he saw...BTW,
anyone heard from BoonieTunes?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Marge
> Lil' Georgie thinks a serial port is a red wine you
> put on corn flakes for breakfast...
I'm also convinced he believes the discharge is normal...
>>Everything 'Lil Georgie does revolves around rectums.
>>Scarily, his interest seems to lie predominately outside his own
>>"sphere.";-)
>
>'Lil Georgie Poop has now taken to fart-sniffing.
> Likely a dry spell on feces donations. ;-)
>
No, I'd say that everything Bill Watkins, Large Marge, and Doug Haugen do
revolves around rectums. They've taken what used to be humorous and have
turned it into something obsessive and funereal.
I've had Bill filtered out for a while and RAO has been much more enjoyable,
not to mention intelligent. I largely ignore Large Marge because of the
general lack of wit. And I can't tell you how disappointed I am in the return
of the "real" Doug Haugen. They are three peas in a pod, and the way they post
around each other, with almost no interaction from the others, makes me think
of the word "sockpuppet" more than ever before.
If they stopped the scatological obsession, and came up with something funny
one in a while--even at my expense--I'd give them the time of day. But their
"game" is going to have to get a lot more interesting before I give them the
time of day again.
Boon
Specifically his own, because all those bozos are one and the same. It
is druggie, marge largemarge, sallyanne, etc.
Phillips, come out from behind your "killfile" if you
want to follow up on your accusations and my replies
below, otherwise:
BWAAAAAAAAAK WAAK BWAKK BWAAAK!
buck buck buck buckaw, buck buck buck buckaw...
>Bill Watkins said:
>
>>>Everything 'Lil Georgie does revolves around rectums.
>>>Scarily, his interest seems to lie predominately outside his own
>>>"sphere.";-)
>>
>
>>'Lil Georgie Poop has now taken to fart-sniffing.
>> Likely a dry spell on feces donations. ;-)
>>
>
>No, I'd say that everything Bill Watkins, Large Marge, and Doug Haugen do
>revolves around rectums. They've taken what used to be humorous and have
>turned it into something obsessive and funereal.
The Middiot and crew do the feces/lower extremities bit, and
it's "humorous". It gets thrown back at you guys, and it's
"obsessive and funereal". Talk about being a hypocrite! XXXMP
>I've had Bill filtered out for a while and RAO has been much more enjoyable,
>not to mention intelligent. I largely ignore Large Marge because of the
>general lack of wit. And I can't tell you how disappointed I am in the
return
>of the "real" Doug Haugen. They are three peas in a pod, and the way they
post
>around each other, with almost no interaction from the others, makes me think
>of the word "sockpuppet" more than ever before.
You don't slam Middious and crew's "peas in a pod" behavior, but slam
others supporting each other. Again, you're a hypocrite. XXXMP
>If they stopped the scatological obsession, and came up with something funny
>one in a while--even at my expense--I'd give them the time of day. But their
>"game" is going to have to get a lot more interesting before I give them the
>time of day again.
>
>Boon
Your "time" is a joke. You once stated the following
but it blew up in your face:
"Date: 05/07/2000
Author: Marc Phillips <boon...@aol.comatose>
Personally, this is becoming time-consuming, and I resent
having to spend a bunch of time on deja.com just to prove
you wrong. But when I do, I will send you the bill for my
time, and I'm pretty fucking expensive."
Too bad.
Bill Watkins