Biden did nothing

[ScottW]

Port operation 24/7 has long been in the news out here.
It's not that simple for reasons outlined here.

https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2021/10/14/opening-the-port-of-los-angeles-24-7-isnt-the-game-changer-biden-claims-n456184

New CARB rules is a big issue as is AB5 doing away with independent contractors.

Biden changed none of this and just jumped in implying he did something when it's long been in the works.

ScottW

[Art Sackman]

California ruins the US supply chain with its eco regulations
This is just a peek through the window of what will happen under GND and the progs $3.5 Gazillion infrastruture bill

[MiNe109]

On 10/14/21 10:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
> On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 1:25:22 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
>> Port operation 24/7 has long been in the news out here. It's not
>> that simple for reasons outlined here.
>>
>> https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2021/10/14/opening-the-port-of-los-angeles-24-7-isnt-the-game-changer-biden-claims-n456184

>> New CARB rules is a big issue as is AB5 doing away with independent
>> contractors.
>>
>> Biden changed none of this and just jumped in implying he did
>> something when it's long been in the works.

A president can take credit for something already in the works? Better
than nationalizing the ports though.

> California ruins the US supply chain with its eco regulations

Matt Stoller in The Guardian lists a bunch of causes of shortages and
supply chain problems and none of them is California's "eco regulations."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/01/america-supply-chain-shortages

"The specific policies that led to our supply constrained world are lax
antitrust, deregulation of basic infrastructure industries like
shipping, railroads and trucking, disinvestment in domestic production,
and trade policy emphasizing finance over manufacturing."

> This is just a peek through the window of what will happen under GND
> and the progs $3.5 Gazillion infrastruture bill

Imagine that: an infrastructure bill not helping the supply chain.

[ScottW]

On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 8:15:36 AM UTC-7, MINe109 wrote:
> On 10/14/21 10:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 1:25:22 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
> >> Port operation 24/7 has long been in the news out here. It's not
> >> that simple for reasons outlined here.
> >>
> >> https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2021/10/14/opening-the-port-of-los-angeles-24-7-isnt-the-game-changer-biden-claims-n456184
>
> >> New CARB rules is a big issue as is AB5 doing away with independent
> >> contractors.
> >>
> >> Biden changed none of this and just jumped in implying he did
> >> something when it's long been in the works.
> A president can take credit for something already in the works?

No...and worse he can't lie claiming something is going to immediately happen
that doesn't. LA reported zero ships off-loaded last night.
Tonight....zero.
Tomorrow...zero.
When is it actually expected to happen?....Maybe in a few months but not likely to have an impact
on Xmas.

> Better
> than nationalizing the ports though.

Why do that when you fix a problem caused by "deregulation".

> > California ruins the US supply chain with its eco regulations
> Matt Stoller in The Guardian lists a bunch of causes of shortages and
> supply chain problems and none of them is California's "eco regulations."
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/01/america-supply-chain-shortages
>
> "The specific policies that led to our supply constrained world are lax
> antitrust, deregulation of basic infrastructure industries like
> shipping, railroads and trucking, disinvestment in domestic production,
> and trade policy emphasizing finance over manufacturing."

and all this was pretty much there under Trump yet we didn't have this clusterfuck.
This bozo is giving you a 20,000 mile and 50 year view of shit.
Yeah...Kissinger and Nixon f'd up. So now what?
Oh yeah...raise corp tax rate to keep it all offshore. Brilliant!

No mention of trying to slingshot the economy from closed to open which is really what
created this particular mess. Lot's of other factors like a shortage of trucks that comply with CARBs
idiotic diesel regs that were based on "research" from a guy who forged his academic credentials make it harder to quickly adapt.
Now the whole country is paying a price for that green stupidity.
LA pollution regs make it much harder if not impossible to expand capacity short term.

> > This is just a peek through the window of what will happen under GND
> > and the progs $3.5 Gazillion infrastruture bill

> Imagine that: an infrastructure bill not helping the supply chain.

I wonder if they're going to build a giant container container for all the empty containers
piling up.

ScottW

[MiNe109]

On 10/15/21 5:18 PM, ScottW wrote:
> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 8:15:36 AM UTC-7, MINe109 wrote:
>> On 10/14/21 10:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 1:25:22 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
>>>> Port operation 24/7 has long been in the news out here. It's
>>>> not that simple for reasons outlined here.
>>>>
>>>> https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2021/10/14/opening-the-port-of-los-angeles-24-7-isnt-the-game-changer-biden-claims-n456184
>>
>>>>

>>>> New CARB rules is a big issue as is AB5 doing away with independent
>>>> contractors.
>>>>
>>>> Biden changed none of this and just jumped in implying he did
>>>> something when it's long been in the works.
>> A president can take credit for something already in the works?
>
> No...

Yet it happens all throughout history.

> and worse he can't lie claiming something is going to immediately
> happen that doesn't. LA reported zero ships off-loaded last night.
> Tonight....zero. Tomorrow...zero. When is it actually expected to
> happen?....Maybe in a few months but not likely to have an impact on
> Xmas.

Oh, no! The war on Christmas!

Why not look at what was actually announced by the White House?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/10/13/fact-sheet-biden-administration-efforts-to-address-bottlenecks-at-ports-of-los-angeles-and-long-beach-moving-goods-from-ship-to-shelf/

Nothing in there about stuff happening immediately. He credits Port and
Longshoreman Union leaders who are taking the actions as well as the
major businesses who are expanding hours to move more stuff.

>> Better than nationalizing the ports though.
>
> Why do that when you fix a problem caused by "deregulation".

Maybe Biden is doing it the right way by talking to the principals
involved and studying the problem.

And if the problem is "deregulation," "reregulation" is a valid
response, not that that's going to happen.

>>> California ruins the US supply chain with its eco regulations
>> Matt Stoller in The Guardian lists a bunch of causes of shortages
>> and supply chain problems and none of them is California's "eco
>> regulations."
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/01/america-supply-chain-shortages

>>"The specific policies that led to our supply constrained world are
>> lax antitrust, deregulation of basic infrastructure industries like
>> shipping, railroads and trucking, disinvestment in domestic
>> production, and trade policy emphasizing finance over
>> manufacturing."
>
> and all this was pretty much there under Trump yet we didn't have
> this clusterfuck.

We had a pandemic, closed ports, shut-down factories and yes, there were
shortages and disruptions in 2020.

https://www.cips.org/supply-management/news/2021/april/what-were-the-top-five-supply-chain-disruptions-in-2020/

Bindiya Vakil, CEO of Resilinc, said: “Many of us in supply chain risk
management have been talking for years about the need for greater
visibility in supply chains. We’ve been pointing out that supply chains
have been designed to take costs out through globalisation, but in the
process, they’ve become exposed to greater and greater risks.

“The pandemic of 2020 really exposed that reality and woke people up to
the fact that these risks have real consequences and in the future they
need to balance cost-savings and inventory reduction with risk and
resilience."

End quote.

>This bozo is giving you a 20,000 mile and 50 year
> view of shit. Yeah...Kissinger and Nixon f'd up. So now what? Oh
> yeah...raise corp tax rate to keep it all offshore. Brilliant!

Same old fact-free scatological dismissal.

> No mention of trying to slingshot the economy from closed to open
> which is really what created this particular mess. Lot's of other
> factors like a shortage of trucks that comply with CARBs idiotic
> diesel regs that were based on "research" from a guy who forged his
> academic credentials make it harder to quickly adapt. Now the whole
> country is paying a price for that green stupidity. LA pollution regs
> make it much harder if not impossible to expand capacity short term.

Be that as it may, the truck shortage is from the lack of specialty
chips for sensors. It's up to manufacturers to develop software solutions.

https://www.ttnews.com/articles/fixes-def-sensor-failures-are-underway-truck-dealers-say

[ScottW]

On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 4:52:30 PM UTC-7, MINe109 wrote:
> On 10/15/21 5:18 PM, ScottW wrote:
> > On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 8:15:36 AM UTC-7, MINe109 wrote:
> >> On 10/14/21 10:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 1:25:22 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
> >>>> Port operation 24/7 has long been in the news out here. It's
> >>>> not that simple for reasons outlined here.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2021/10/14/opening-the-port-of-los-angeles-24-7-isnt-the-game-changer-biden-claims-n456184
> >>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> New CARB rules is a big issue as is AB5 doing away with independent
> >>>> contractors.
> >>>>
> >>>> Biden changed none of this and just jumped in implying he did
> >>>> something when it's long been in the works.
> >> A president can take credit for something already in the works?
> >
> > No...
> Yet it happens all throughout history.

Nope, you can't take credit if you're not given credit.

(snip the WH propaganda).
Task force has been in place a long time and the situation has only gotten worse.
But you love a good story.

ScottW

[Art Sackman]

On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 11:15:36 AM UTC-4, MINe109 wrote:


> Imagine that: an infrastructure bill not helping the supply chain.

Imagine the Squad holding it up

At any rate, this one won't help the supply chain.
Money isn't the problem.
Over regulation is the problem
and govt 'stay at home and don't work' giveaways

[MiNe109]

On 10/15/21 11:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 11:15:36 AM UTC-4, MINe109 wrote:
>
>
>> Imagine that: an infrastructure bill not helping the supply chain.
>
>
> Imagine the Squad holding it up

The Squad supports the infrastructure bill. They wanted a bigger one.

> At any rate, this one won't help the supply chain.
> Money isn't the problem.
> Over regulation is the problem

Over regulation closed Asian factories? Required 'just in time' supply
chains?

> and govt 'stay at home and don't work' giveaways

Hasn't affected unemployment levels, as seen in states that ended those
programs early.

[MiNe109]

On 10/15/21 8:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 4:52:30 PM UTC-7, MINe109 wrote:
>> On 10/15/21 5:18 PM, ScottW wrote:
>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 8:15:36 AM UTC-7, MINe109 wrote:
>>>> On 10/14/21 10:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 1:25:22 PM UTC-4, ScottW
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Port operation 24/7 has long been in the news out here.
>>>>>> It's not that simple for reasons outlined here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2021/10/14/opening-the-port-of-los-angeles-24-7-isnt-the-game-changer-biden-claims-n456184

>>>>>> Biden changed none of this and just jumped in implying he
>>>>>> did something when it's long been in the works.
>>>> A president can take credit for something already in the
>>>> works?
>>>
>>> No...
>> Yet it happens all throughout history.
>
> Nope, you can't take credit if you're not given credit.

Now you're just being contrary.

> (snip the WH propaganda).

Yes, the British-based international CIPS is WH propoganda.

>Task force has been in place a long time and the situation has only gotten worse. >But you love a good story.

Yes, especially one with context, told in good faith.

[Art Sackman]

On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 10:36:40 AM UTC-4, MINe109 wrote:
> On 10/15/21 11:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
> > On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 11:15:36 AM UTC-4, MINe109 wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Imagine that: an infrastructure bill not helping the supply chain.
> >
> >
> > Imagine the Squad holding it up
> The Squad supports the infrastructure bill. They wanted a bigger one.
> > At any rate, this one won't help the supply chain.
> > Money isn't the problem.
> > Over regulation is the problem
> Over regulation closed Asian factories?

Chinese factories have nothing to do with work rules for California ports and California trucks and truck
drivers

you have truly earned your Idiot Certificate
You're no sloucher in that regard

[MiNe109]

On 10/16/21 7:39 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 10:36:40 AM UTC-4, MINe109 wrote:
>> On 10/15/21 11:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 11:15:36 AM UTC-4, MINe109 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Imagine that: an infrastructure bill not helping the supply
>>>> chain.
>>>
>>>
>>> Imagine the Squad holding it up
>> The Squad supports the infrastructure bill. They wanted a bigger
>> one.
>>> At any rate, this one won't help the supply chain. Money isn't
>>> the problem. Over regulation is the problem
>> Over regulation closed Asian factories?
>
> Chinese factories have nothing to do with work rules for California
> ports and California trucks and truck drivers

Exactly.

> you have truly earned your Idiot Certificate You're no sloucher in
> that regard

I appreciate your "Idiot Certificate" because you use it when
you've completely misunderstood what I've written. It's a tell for "I've
missed the point but am jumping in anyway."

You're blaming California and "over-regulation" for a world-wide problem.

[Art Sackman]

When 75% of the big rigs are not certified for the LA area, its a California problem.

[ScottW]

It's just Stephen's usual "whataboutism".
He can't address one problem without addressing every problem...so he's doing nothing.
Chinese factories are suffering from power shortages.
But that's their problem. We have our own.

ScottW

[MiNe109]

On 10/17/21 10:59 AM, ScottW wrote:
> On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 7:10:12 AM UTC-7,
> hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 7:11:03 AM UTC-4, MINe109 wrote:

>>> You're blaming California and "over-regulation" for a world-wide
>>> problem.
>> When 75% of the big rigs are not certified for the LA area, its a
>> California problem.
>
> It's just Stephen's usual "whataboutism".

No, it isn't.

> He can't address one problem without addressing every problem...so
> he's doing nothing. Chinese factories are suffering from power
> shortages. But that's their problem. We have our own.

Yes, but you all are blaming problems from elsewhere too specifically on
the LA ports.

[MiNe109]

Sounds like an LA problem. San Diego, Oakland, as well as lesser known
Stockton, Sacramento, Santa Barbara are alternatives to LA and Long Beach.

Sure, it's problem but it's not the only cause of shortages and supply
chain problems. How much ketchup goes through Long Beach?

[ScottW]

On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 12:09:03 PM UTC-7, MINe109 wrote:
> On 10/17/21 9:10 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 7:11:03 AM UTC-4, MINe109 wrote:
> >> On 10/16/21 7:39 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
> >
> >> You're blaming California and "over-regulation" for a world-wide
> >> problem.
> >
> > When 75% of the big rigs are not certified for the LA area, its a
> > California problem.
> Sounds like an LA problem. San Diego, Oakland, as well as lesser known
> Stockton, Sacramento, Santa Barbara are alternatives to LA and Long Beach.

San Diego is tiny compared to Long Beach. You couldn't move 10% to San Diego.
Stockton and Sacramento don't take container ships at all and Santa Barbara only takes cruise ships, no freight.

This post is so ill-informed I think I'll have to flag it as "mis-information".

ScottW

[Art Sackman]

>
> This post is so ill-informed I think I'll have to flag it as "mis-information".
>
> ScottW

I'll call it cis-information.
Steve should be sending all the port work to a TG city