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Project 1 Turntables: Opinions?

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Mike

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Mar 7, 1995, 6:22:55 PM3/7/95
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I have been searching for a turntable in the 300-500 dollar range
and I just finished auditioning a Project 1 table. It sounded okay;
However, I know next to nothing about this table with regard to long-term
durability, serviceability, etc. Any comments about this table would
be greatly appreciated. I am also looking at a Rega 2 and Rotel.

Thanks!
Mike.

Marc Gelfond

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Mar 8, 1995, 6:35:14 AM3/8/95
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Project one was the Playback audio store brand name. The firm
went under around 1982, and I,ve been told by various sources
over the years that Project One was made by Pioneer.
I have the DR-331 turntable, which has a straight low mass
tonearm,belt drive and servo control, in fact i just finished
building a shelf to mount it on.
getting parts E.G a new belt was a bit difficult,but MCM
electronics did have one that fit. The thing still works like a
champ and for my purposes is an excellent table.

Michael Losonsky

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Mar 8, 1995, 11:15:53 AM3/8/95
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If you are referring to the Pro-Jekt tables that are distributed
by SUMIKO in the US, then this is incorrect.

The Projekt tables (1, 2, adn 6) are designed by an Austrian
(Heinz Lichtenegger, of Audio Tuning in Vienna) and made in
Olomouc, Czech Republic, in a factory owned by Tesla. Lichtenegger
basically went to this factory, which had been making audio
equipment already before WW II, and looked at their tables. One
of the tables seemed promising, so he worked with the team of
engineers responsible for this table at Tesla and redesigned it
to meet western demands. Thus was born Projekt 1. Projekt 2 is
an improvement on 1, and Projekt 6 is a more drastic redesign to
meet more high-end demands. These tables are very well received
in Europe.

Michael Losonsky
loso...@lamar.colostate.edu
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Ron Ross

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Mar 8, 1995, 10:41:39 PM3/8/95
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In article <3jlfp5$21j$1...@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, D. Berry
<74431...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

> The Project One being sold by Sumiko has nothing to do with any Pioneer
> branded turntables sold in the 80s. This is a European import of current
> manufacture that Sumiko brings into the country because it happens to be
> a really good value for a budget turntable. Cory Greenberg reviewed it
> in Home Theater Technology, as well as SPIN Magazine, and he said it
> was a terrific sounding turntable and cartridge package.
>
> I've ordered mine, and I'll post my thoughts when I get it.

If you think of it, I'd appreciate your copying me on those remarks.

I'm also leaning toward the Project One. I have about 2000 lps from my
days in the music biz (long past) that I never listen to because I
foolishly replaced an adequate Dual with a terrible Yamaha tt after the
Dual broke. I was thinking of buying the Project One from Audio Advisor
because they still have them at the previous $ of $349 and they'll put a
Blue Point on it for a total of $429 which seems like a good price given
that the cartridge is normally $129 (of course, they're keeping the $30
Oyster). Are you going to use the Project One with the Oyster or upgrade
the cartridge?

The main reason I'm going with the Project One vs. the comparably priced
Sota Moonbeam or the somewhat more expensive (but sexier) Rega 2 or 3 is:

1) The Project One is apparently much less fussy about what it sits on
than the Rega. I want to use this turntable on regular furniture and not
buy/build a special stand for it.

2) The Audio Advisor salesperson made a pretty convincing case that the
Sota was a design built to hit a price and that the Project One was more
sophisticated, but I'm vague on the details.

It does seem the under $500 turntable market is much better than it was a
few years ago when I last went through this process and decided not to buy
anything that was available in the U.S.

--
Ron Ross ron...@panix.com CIS: 73060,373

Cary D Mc Reynolds

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Mar 7, 1995, 11:21:46 PM3/7/95
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Is that a new or used Project/One turntable? If its used you are
paying way to much, I purchased mine for $60 w/Grado cartrige used. If anyone
could cough up some info on this company I would appriciate it also, because I
know nothing about the table except that it sounds pretty good and looks to be
about 10 years old.

Michael Bell

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Mar 9, 1995, 12:03:10 PM3/9/95
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In article <3jipsf$q...@news.acns.nwu.edu> Mike,

The Rega is better but it is going to cost more. The Rega 2 price has
recently dropped so it is much less than it was before a few months ago.
All of the 'tables mentioned are simple, well built units, and there
really isn't anything that can go wrong with them. I think the Rotel is
virtually the same as either the Rega 2 or the cheaper Revolver(I forget
the model). The high-end dealer here in Austin used to lean toward the
Linn Basik in that price range but is now going with the Rega 2 since it
is cheaper. They recommend the Project 1 for those on a tight budget.

Michael Bell

Shiv Swarup Pathak

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Mar 9, 1995, 1:28:54 PM3/9/95
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I recently sold my Project 1 turntable after I upgraded to a Linn LP12.
I found the sound with the standart Oyster to be a very synergistic
match. However, the tt did sound better when I installed an armwrap and
upgraded to a Blue Point. For the money, I have yet to hear a better
sounding combo. I would recommend the Project 1 to anyone who is
looking to make the best of their records without spending an arm an a
leg on a more expensive unit like the LP12, or VPI, etc,.

Shiv

Mike

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Mar 9, 1995, 6:10:41 PM3/9/95
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In article <3jncce$3...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, Michael Bell <MB...@mail.utexas.edu> says:

>Linn Basik in that price range but is now going with the Rega 2 since it
>is cheaper. They recommend the Project 1 for those on a tight budget.
>
>Michael Bell

So, is it worth the extra hundred bucks for the Rega?

Mike.

D. Berry

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Mar 8, 1995, 6:48:53 PM3/8/95
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The Project One being sold by Sumiko has nothing to do with any Pioneer
branded turntables sold in the 80s. This is a European import of current
manufacture that Sumiko brings into the country because it happens to be
a really good value for a budget turntable. Cory Greenberg reviewed it
in Home Theater Technology, as well as SPIN Magazine, and he said it
was a terrific sounding turntable and cartridge package.

I've ordered mine, and I'll post my thoughts when I get it.

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Werner Ogiers

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Mar 13, 1995, 5:21:58 AM3/13/95
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Cary D Mc Reynolds (ca...@oregon.uoregon.edu) wrote:
: In article <3jipsf$q...@news.acns.nwu.edu>, mjm...@nwu.edu@lulu.acns.nwu.edu (Mike) writes:
: > and I just finished auditioning a Project 1 table. It sounded okay;
: could cough up some info on this company I would appriciate it also, because I

: know nothing about the table except that it sounds pretty good and looks to be
: about 10 years old.

Pro-Ject is an enthousiast company from Czechia/Austria/Germany that started
some 4 years ago. They make turntables (0.5, 1, 1.2, 2, 6.1) and arms, as
well as a cartridge (a rebadged Goldring), equipment racks and since a few
months an integrated amplifier.

USA import is done by Sumiko, UK import by Kronos/Ortofon. Some
cross-feritilisation has happened, since the top of the line product of
Pro-Ject now comprises the 6.1 with a Sumiko arm and Ortofon MC-30 Supreme
cartridge (UKP1000).

The original Pro-Ject 1 (with the thin arm) may have been (co-)designed by
Remy Thorens. However, RT has currently nothing to do with the (now German)
TT brand Thorens, as he sold the name aeons ago.

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Werner Ogiers

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Mar 15, 1995, 10:12:55 AM3/15/95
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Michael Bell (MB...@mail.utexas.edu) wrote:
: virtually the same as either the Rega 2 or the cheaper Revolver(I forget

The Revolver. The NAD 533 and the 'new' Akai turntable are wooden-platter
versions of the Planar 2, though.

: Linn Basik in that price range but is now going with the Rega 2 since it


: is cheaper. They recommend the Project 1 for those on a tight budget.

And never forget the Thorens TD-318 at $600.

Werner Ogiers

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Mar 30, 1995, 1:22:06 AM3/30/95
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Dave Breneman (d...@rosedale.seaslug.org) wrote:
: In article <1995Mar13....@imec.be> ogi...@imec.be (Werner Ogiers) writes:
: >some 4 years ago. They make turntables (0.5, 1, 1.2, 2, 6.1) and arms, as
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

: What do these numbers signify? I was guessing tracking force,

Yep, Pro-Ject's Tracking Forces ;-)

No, they are the turntables type numbers, from the humble and cheap 0.5
to the tweaky spring-suspended 6.1.

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